Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL

Transcript: 2022-03-22 - Board Work-Session

0:00 (upbeat music)

0:23 - Good afternoon.

0:24 The March 22nd, 2022 board work session is now in order.

0:27 Call, roll call please.

0:30 - Ms. Belford. - Present.

0:31 - Ms. McDougall. - Present.

0:33 - Mr. Susan. - Present.

0:34 - Ms. Jenkins. - Present.

0:35 - Ms. Campbell.

0:38 - Campbell will be joining us.

0:39 There was not to come our way here shortly.

0:42 Would you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance?

0:48 - I pledge allegiance to the flag

0:51 of the United States of America,

0:53 and to the republic for which it stands,

0:56 one nation, under God, indivisible,

0:59 with liberty and justice for all.

1:05 - During this afternoon’s work session,

1:06 the board will be provided updates

1:07 on budget priorities and capital projects funding.

1:10 We’ll now begin budget priorities with Ms. Blasinski.

1:20 - So hi, good afternoon.

1:23 So Sunday morning, I told my daughter, who’s nine,

1:27 if you guys don’t know, she’s in fourth grade.

1:30 I said, “Give me an hour.

1:33 “I need to go through my budget presentation

1:35 “and kind of figure out what I’m gonna do, okay?”

1:38 And probably every 10 minutes she came out,

1:42 “Mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy, I need this, I need that.

1:45 “Look at this dance step, look at this.”

1:48 And finally I said, “Madison, you know,

1:52 “I have to present this on Tuesday to the board.

1:56 “And, you know, how would you feel

1:58 “if you were writing an essay for class for a grade

2:03 “and someone kept on interrupting you?”

2:06 And then she said, “Oh, okay, what’s your hook?”

2:09 (audience laughing)

2:13 And then at that moment I thought,

2:16 “Why, I am so incredibly lucky to have an amazing teacher

2:21 “like Madison has in fourth grade

2:24 “that that’s the first thing that she thought of.”

2:28 But I do want to kind of tell you a story about, you know,

2:32 her, how her first grade worked out with her teacher

2:37 and it wasn’t the same picture.

2:38 I was in a different state, I may say that a couple times,

2:41 so if people are listening,

2:42 they don’t think that’s happened in Brevard.

2:45 But, you know, in kindergarten the teacher said,

2:47 “You know what, Madison is a leader.

2:51 “She gives voice to kids that are kind of unsure

2:55 “and she’s just an amazing personality.

2:57 “She has an amazing spirit and it’s gonna go a long way.

3:02 “Just an amazing leader.”

3:04 And then she goes into first grade

3:06 and the teacher said, “You know what?

3:09 “Madison is too happy.

3:11 “Madison is too fidgety.

3:13 “Madison is too social.

3:17 “Madison just, she’s too disruptive.”

3:20 And so Madison was that kid that had to sit in the back

3:25 in a desk by herself.

3:27 Madison was that kid that, you know,

3:31 well, when she’s a desk by herself,

3:33 when they said, “Okay, let’s turn and discuss something,”

3:35 she had no one to turn and talk with.

3:38 And she was the one that was always on that floor

3:42 that, you know, you’re the bad kid

3:44 and you’re in the bucket or whatever.

3:47 And she was always, had to miss recess

3:51 and she just became a very, very unhappy child.

3:56 And so it was heartbreaking actually

4:01 and then you felt guilty dropping her off at school

4:04 and this school was supposed to be

4:05 one of the best in the state.

4:07 It was a magnet school that she tested into

4:09 and, you know, it was supposed to be the best school

4:12 and my daughter is not having the best education right now.

4:16 And then it was really kind of amazing.

4:21 I noticed that once the head custodian would see Madison

4:25 then she would take her hand and they would walk and talk.

4:28 And then the lunch lady would always come by,

4:32 sit with Madison, make sure she’s eating,

4:35 making sure she’s doing okay.

4:37 And, you know, and that brought, you know,

4:42 that’s who Madison really cared about, about school.

4:46 And then one day she was one of those days

4:48 that she did get to go to recess,

4:50 there were some girls that were kind of making fun of her

4:53 and teasing her about her hair.

4:55 And the principal was there and Madison started crying.

4:59 She’s very sensitive, she was in first grade

5:02 and the principal couldn’t bring her down,

5:04 couldn’t calm her down.

5:05 So I got called in and told that if she continues

5:09 to act this way, she can’t continue to go to that school.

5:13 And I thought that was kind of crazy.

5:17 And then there was a day that she was actually,

5:23 or there was a week that she was actually on a Friday

5:26 and she got through the entire week

5:28 without getting any barks on the board.

5:30 And the one thing that she wanted,

5:32 it was to be a terrific tiger.

5:34 So once a week, you know, the announcements

5:37 of who the terrific tiger is,

5:39 and she always wanted to be that terrific tiger.

5:41 The kids made fun of her and teased her, said,

5:43 “You’re never gonna be a terrific tiger, never.”

5:46 And she believed that, she believed that she was a bad kid.

5:50 That’s how she described herself, “I’m a bad kid.”

5:53 And again, it was heartbreaking.

5:58 So she got all the way through Friday

6:02 and in her mind, I haven’t gotten a mark,

6:04 I might be terrific tiger.

6:06 And it was almost the end of the day

6:09 and I don’t know what happened, I wasn’t there,

6:11 but she got a mark on the board.

6:16 So she’s not gonna be terrific tiger in her mind.

6:19 And then she started crying and she got another mark

6:24 for not paying attention or not obeying.

6:27 And then she couldn’t stop crying.

6:29 So they called in the security guy to take her out

6:33 and she ran and hid under a table

6:36 and she got another mark for disrespect

6:39 and it was just a mess.

6:41 And then she got an in-school suspension

6:43 because of that incident.

6:46 And at this point, I reached out to the school district,

6:49 not in the state, asking for help because this is crazy.

6:55 I want my daughter to be in the best school

6:57 and get the best education yet, this is awful.

7:00 And they sent out a behavior expert

7:02 and that person sat with the teacher

7:07 and they came up with new strategies.

7:09 They got rid of that bad kid board.

7:11 They gave new incentives and things are starting

7:17 to look a little bit better.

7:18 But she had that week of being in school suspension.

7:22 So she’s in a little conference room

7:24 and the vice principal would come in and check in on her.

7:28 And then the ladies in the front office would check in on her

7:31 or the school nurse would check in on her.

7:33 And they really grew to really be rooting for Madison.

7:42 And the vice principal said, Madison,

7:48 if ever you feel like you can’t hold it in

7:52 because I asked her, what’s wrong?

7:53 She goes, I can’t help it.

7:55 I just can’t help it.

7:56 I can’t help talking.

7:57 I can’t help fidgeting.

7:59 I can’t help it.

8:03 So that anytime you’re gonna cry or anything,

8:05 just come and see me.

8:07 So every day after lunch, she would go to the front office,

8:14 talk to the ladies in the front, get a mint,

8:16 go to the nurse, say hi,

8:18 and then go get a hug from the vice principal.

8:20 Things got a lot better.

8:22 And then her teacher, oh, by the way,

8:25 all the other enrichment teachers

8:27 didn’t have a problem with Madison.

8:29 But so at the end,

8:34 there her teacher never, she never got terrific tiger.

8:38 But in the end, the teacher sent me a note

8:41 and asked that if Madison and I would write a poem

8:45 for Black History Month, that she could read on the,

8:49 over the intercom in the morning at school.

8:52 So we did that.

8:54 And she wrote a, we wrote a poem about Ruby Bridges.

8:59 And then when I went to go pick her up that day,

9:03 I was in the car loop.

9:04 And I know this because I was surrounded

9:07 by all the ladies in the front office

9:10 and the principal and the vice principal.

9:12 And they were just telling me that she brought them to tears

9:17 that it was just, she did an amazing job

9:19 and they were so proud of her.

9:21 And that Friday, there was an,

9:26 when they announced the terrific tigers,

9:29 that her teacher did not put her in,

9:32 but the principal, the one that was gonna kick her out,

9:35 decided to create a special terrific tiger award.

9:39 And we still keep this.

9:43 So I guess this whole long story is to tell you

9:47 that education is so incredibly important

9:52 and it’s just everybody, you know?

9:55 And when you talk about serving every student,

9:58 I freely admit my daughter does not have

10:02 teacher pleasing skills in some classrooms.

10:05 Some classrooms it works.

10:07 They like her sass or spunk and others are like, oh no.

10:14 So we need everyone and we need to recognize everyone

10:18 and it’s just an amazing mission.

10:20 And then when we put a budget together,

10:22 we have to think about all those things

10:24 and how important it is that we fund

10:29 and take care and recognize our people

10:32 because those are the folks that are teaching our kids.

10:37 That was a long story, sorry about that.

10:40 Okay, so again, our district priorities.

10:44 We need to make sure our kids have an excellent education.

10:47 And I’ll go back that when Madison left first grade,

10:51 she was on the second, third grade level.

10:55 So she did learn why she was going through all of that.

11:00 And then to protect our workforce

11:02 ‘cause we need that workforce.

11:04 We need the workforce that are passionate about our kids

11:07 and we need to recognize them.

11:09 Fiscal strength, we can’t fund everything.

11:13 So we have to make sure that we have our priorities in line

11:17 and we have to make sure the things that we’re doing

11:19 are affordable.

11:21 And then we have to make every single dollar count

11:24 because every dollar that we spend needs to go,

11:28 we need to think about how is that impacting

11:33 the education of our kids.

11:37 And then so I put on here district goals.

11:41 And with that story, I was trying to bring home

11:46 that our people, they’re the most critical asset

11:51 that we have with our mission is our people.

11:54 And if we don’t recognize our excellence,

11:56 our excellence is gonna go somewhere else.

11:59 So what we would like to do this year

12:03 is to include recurring pay raises.

12:07 We wanna make sure that we try to work on our compression

12:13 issues that we’re gonna have to provide

12:17 good competitive compensation packages.

12:19 We want the bar to be the place where teachers

12:22 and workers come, they wanna come.

12:26 And I think that kind of spirit will also increase

12:29 the education that our kids get.

12:32 We wanna retain the best, we need to invest in the best

12:36 and we need to also improve our facilities.

12:39 We need to look at our innovation.

12:42 We need to start doing things better,

12:43 thinking about how we can be more efficient

12:46 and optimize the things that we do.

12:48 And kindness, collaboration, diversity, inclusion,

12:53 it all goes a long, long way treating everybody

12:56 with dignity and respect.

13:02 And so you take a look at this slide and you can see

13:06 that in 1920 pre-pandemic,

13:11 you can see where we were at the district level

13:14 and then 2021 is where we were held harmless.

13:19 So we were funded very close to 2019-20,

13:23 but we had less kids.

13:25 So we were funded the same amount,

13:29 but we were funding kids that actually

13:31 weren’t in our classrooms or the state was.

13:33 And that was a huge help as we were figuring our way out

13:37 through the pandemic.

13:39 But in ‘21, ‘22, the state said, okay,

13:45 you had a year to figure it out.

13:47 You have ESSER, you have all these things.

13:49 You need to kind of reset and budget for those things.

13:54 So if you remember last year, or actually this year,

13:57 the beginning of the year,

13:58 we went into the budget with a negative.

14:04 And then you can see next year,

14:07 well, in ‘21, ‘22, this can be very deceiving

14:11 because it looks like if you look at

14:13 the total Brevard numbers that we’ve recovered,

14:17 but in actuality, the scholarships doubled

14:21 because of the empowerment program

14:23 that kind of came in this year.

14:27 And just in case you’re wondering,

14:30 probably about half of those kids never stepped foot

14:33 in Brevard.

14:35 They were kids that were in private schools

14:38 that are now getting funded through scholarships.

14:42 And there are quite a few homeschool kids,

14:44 about 538, I believe.

14:48 Charters grew and we grew a little bit.

14:52 We’re kind of remaining flat.

14:54 And that’s what it looks like for the following year as well.

15:01 And this is just a picture that you can see

15:05 that we’re kind of losing.

15:07 The district is, you know, we’re growing slightly,

15:11 but the other percentage of the charter

15:13 and the scholarships are growing.

15:21 So recently, the conference report came out

15:25 and historic levels of funding.

15:29 And it’s very exciting.

15:32 There’s a lot of money and unfortunately,

15:35 it’s never enough, right?

15:39 But the base student allocation increased by $214.

15:46 The student funding increased 384.

15:51 But do remember when you look

15:54 at that base student allocation increase,

15:57 a big chunk of that is bringing everybody up,

16:01 all the employees to $15 by October 1, 2022.

16:07 So along with that 214,

16:10 it’s expected that we do that as well.

16:14 And then the teacher salary increase allocation,

16:19 250 million this year.

16:21 And the good news is the allocation is gonna be 50/50

16:25 versus the 80/20.

16:27 And what that mean, and the other good news is,

16:31 we’re gonna get up to our 47.5 this year.

16:36 Transportation, you can, and again, this is statewide.

16:39 So transportation increased, but so was fuel.

16:43 The reading increase.

16:47 And then again, as I stated,

16:48 the BSA comes with the bill of at least $15 an hour

16:54 for all our employees.

16:56 The employee retirement funding increase,

17:00 and there’s gonna be inflationary costs

17:03 that are going to increase the, our expenses next year.

17:11 And then the last one, I’m sure you’re all aware

17:14 of the school recognition program.

17:17 That was restored this year, not funded in the FEFP,

17:22 but funded within a reserve.

17:25 And it omitted 12 districts and we were one of them

17:31 because of the mask mandate.

17:37 And I’ll go to the next.

17:43 And then I kind of talked about these,

17:45 but this is the district-wide.

17:47 And again, I wanna kind of talk about the 50/50

17:50 for the student salary allocation.

17:55 That’s a big deal because we’re not only gonna get to 47.5

18:00 on that first 50% spot,

18:03 but probably a little bit more than half of that

18:05 can go over to the other side and fund our veteran teachers

18:12 and give them additional or more money

18:15 than they have been getting

18:16 with this teacher salary increase.

18:19 And it will also help with some compression issues.

18:24 The transportation went up 1.4 million for us.

18:27 That will cover the fuel costs.

18:30 And we also had an increase of 725,000 for safe schools,

18:40 which will be very helpful to us

18:42 because we normally get about 65 cents on the dollar for them

18:48 and so that will be helpful to us.

18:50 And again, the FRS will have to fund 4 million.

18:56 And then we’re also gonna have to take a look

18:58 at our inflationary cost increases.

19:01 Procurement’s already getting phone calls

19:03 asking for adjustments to their fuel.

19:07 Food services is having issues with supply and demand

19:11 for paper products and things like that.

19:13 So with costs going up,

19:18 we are going to have contractors, vendors

19:22 passing those costs to us.

19:25 And again, with the school recognition program,

19:29 when it was in effect in FY 1920,

19:34 we received 3.9 million for that program.

19:42 So this previous slide was in words, this is in a graph.

19:48 And then you can see again,

19:50 the BSA and the revenue per student.

19:58 And that change of 389, remember that also includes

20:03 all the increases in categoricals,

20:05 the increase in scholarships and those kinds of things.

20:11 And then when you look at this slide,

20:12 this is built showing some of the bigger categoricals.

20:17 And you can see the increases

20:19 or the changes on the other side,

20:21 the remaining categoricals there on the next slide

20:25 that you’ll be able to take a look at,

20:27 where it says state net of categoricals,

20:30 that 8.7 million is the funding that we get from the state

20:35 that isn’t tied to a categorical.

20:37 And then you’ll see the state funding

20:40 plus the local funding, which is property taxes.

20:44 We had an increase of $42 million.

20:48 I remember we have all those scholarships also

20:52 that were a pass through

20:53 and were a pass through for the charter schools.

20:58 And this slide shows you again,

21:00 it lays out some of the other categoricals.

21:04 Digital classrooms was deleted from the FEFP.

21:14 And then when you take a look at that $42.9 million,

21:21 that looks so good.

21:24 You subtract out the 14.3

21:26 and then we set aside money for family empowerment growth

21:32 and charter growth.

21:34 It might be a little high.

21:36 We might be able to get some dollars out of that,

21:38 but we still, we received the conference report a week ago

21:42 and we’re still digging through it.

21:44 There’s still some language in there that I’m not 100%

21:48 and how that’s gonna impact us.

21:50 There’s language about, you know, Florida virtual,

21:55 Brevard virtual, the funding.

21:56 There’s things that we’re still trying

21:58 to make sure we understand.

22:01 And then you can see that remaining funding balance, 13.6.

22:06 And then when you consider the minimum wage increase,

22:10 estimated $6 million, and then the FRS rate increase,

22:15 you can see that the remaining reoccurring dollars

22:20 that the conference report is showing us at this point

22:23 is 3.6 million,

22:28 which is better than a negative number.

22:35 So the benefits to Brevard or BPS,

22:39 obviously we’re gonna get our employees up to $15 an hour.

22:44 And that’s, you know, the law was by September 30th, 2026.

22:52 So we’re gonna do that four years early,

22:54 which is huge for our employees.

22:57 Teacher salary increase allocation,

22:59 highest since the inception of the program.

23:03 We’re gonna be able to recognize our veteran teachers.

23:10 We’re able to invest in the employees’ retirement funds

23:13 without having to cut a budget.

23:16 And the state acknowledged that transportation

23:19 and safe schools are underfunded.

23:21 And then we also have an increase in reading

23:23 and academic instruction, mental health, ESE allocations.

23:30 So it is a good news story.

23:34 And we have challenges.

23:39 So employee recurring compensation and compression.

23:43 We’re gonna have compression issues

23:45 as everyone goes, as employees reach $15 an hour.

23:50 And then people that are making 15.45,

23:54 you know, they’re gonna want an increase.

23:57 So there’s gonna be compression issues.

23:59 There’s compression concerns and issues with our teachers.

24:06 The way that the TSIA was structured in the beginning,

24:10 we also have rising Boston self-insured medical plan.

24:16 Believe the last that I saw was we need to increase

24:23 that plan by another 7.2 million next year

24:27 in recurring dollars.

24:29 So there’s work to do on figuring out how we do that

24:34 and, you know, making sure that that is the right number.

24:37 And again, the Florida retirement rates.

24:41 I mean, everybody likes that when they retire,

24:44 but it does come out of our budget.

24:47 And then we have the emerging requirements,

24:49 unforeseen events that I can’t budget for

24:54 ‘cause I don’t know what they are yet,

24:56 but we know that those things are gonna come.

24:59 And inflation, supply line disruptions.

25:03 So those are all things that we need to consider.

25:07 So this year we did not, again,

25:12 we started the year with a negative

25:15 and we worked our way through,

25:19 but we recognized how hard our employees worked

25:21 and we wanted to give them something.

25:23 So we were able to give them one-time bonuses,

25:26 but what we did was we projected about

25:29 what we think will fall out now.

25:32 So remember that when we have the end of this year,

25:36 when we have end of year closeout

25:38 that we’ve already spent a lot of dollars for the bonuses.

25:45 And then whatever falls out now,

25:47 what I wanna do is build up those reserves

25:52 because we let go many reserves in order to pay the bonuses

25:58 and we need those reserves for inflation.

26:02 We need those reserves for enrollment.

26:05 And so that’s what we’ll do with the one-time money

26:08 at the end of this year.

26:10 And then as we get into next year,

26:12 we’ll be able to evaluate more of where we can go.

26:15 And then a soft landing in 24, 25 seems like a long way off,

26:20 but we do need to make sure that we don’t

26:24 rely on all that money that we have now

26:29 because that money is going away.

26:31 So we’re gonna have to have to figure out

26:33 how we have a soft landing

26:35 and make sure that people that are funded now under ESSER

26:39 that we wanna be able to bring them back into the budget.

26:42 So there will be some planning

26:43 that we’ll have to do with that.

26:45 And then uncertain enrollment recovery, I don’t know.

26:51 Are we at the new normal?

26:52 Is this the right number?

26:53 Are we gonna grow?

26:54 Are we gonna rebound?

26:56 And if we’re not going to grow,

27:01 we might have to take a look at reducing our footprint.

27:05 So those are all different things

27:07 that we’ll have to take a look at.

27:14 This is our budget timeline.

27:15 You can see that we’re in March right now

27:18 and we are marching off to build our budget for next year.

27:24 And I wanted to introduce our new budget director,

27:29 Sherry Green, right here.

27:31 Very excited to have her.

27:33 And then our assistant budget director, Diane Lichtenstein.

27:41 I’m sorry, Lichtenstein.

27:43 And I also wanna thank Susan Denyer down there.

27:48 She, for the last three, four months,

27:52 she has come into the budget office every day

27:56 saying, “Good morning, budget,”

27:58 and making sure that we continue.

28:03 And she’s done an amazing job.

28:05 So she’s an honorary budgeteer.

28:10 But she’s excited to go back to the accounting

28:12 and working on that.

28:13 And she’s gotta close the books very soon.

28:17 And then our team right here, Maria and Rebecca,

28:21 have done an amazing job

28:26 getting all this together

28:28 and just relooking at the way we’ve done budget in the past

28:34 and how we can do things better.

28:35 So they’re just absolutely amazing.

28:41 So is there any questions?

28:44 - Thank you to the entire team

28:46 that works so hard to get all the information together

28:48 for us.

28:49 And just getting conference report

28:51 makes it a little bit difficult to have this information

28:54 right on the heels of everything.

28:55 So thank you for your hard work

28:57 and for interrupting your family time, Ms. Lissinski,

29:00 to wrap things up for us on Sunday.

29:01 We appreciate it.

29:02 Ms. McDougall, I think you wanted to say something.

29:04 - I did.

29:06 So first, I also wanna thank you and your team.

29:07 Thank you.

29:08 It takes a lot of work to put this together.

29:10 And I’m sure a lot of pencil erasers.

29:13 So thank you very much.

29:15 And so I just wanna kind of go over some of the challenges.

29:22 So our compression issue for all of our staff

29:26 across the whole county is going to be significant.

29:31 For our 1010, for our teachers,

29:34 there is going to be compression issue.

29:36 And there has been since I’ve been here, quite frankly.

29:41 I’m glad we were able to give bonuses,

29:43 that bonuses doesn’t help our staffs,

29:46 but I wanna say their bottom line when they retire,

29:49 ‘cause it doesn’t go into the retirement system.

29:52 So I think that is a very big, it’s a very big deal.

29:57 Plus, we’ve had 1010, our bus drivers,

30:00 our cafeteria workers, our secretaries, our admin,

30:03 our teachers all come and say, we’re not competitive.

30:06 We’re losing, as you said, people to other districts.

30:09 And we wanna keep our best and brightest here

30:11 in our district.

30:13 We have to keep paying into FRS, and it keeps going up.

30:16 Every year since I’ve been here,

30:17 it’s gone up that we submit some more money.

30:20 Our health plan is another one that we have to keep,

30:24 keep it afloat, because if we don’t keep it afloat,

30:26 our alternative is even worse than what we have right now.

30:30 So we have many challenges.

30:33 And on top of the inflation and the supply chain right now.

30:38 So I’m wondering, I would like to ask

30:40 my fellow board members, if you all might have the appetite

30:46 to ask Dr. Mullins to put together for us

30:50 and for our community, to see if our community

30:52 will support a millage.

30:55 I think it’s important things right now with inflation,

30:59 the compression, where we are as a district.

31:02 ESSA is gonna go away in 24, 25, then what do we do?

31:10 So I’m just asking my fellow board members

31:12 if you would have the appetite to go ahead

31:17 and have Dr. Mullins put something together for us

31:21 to look at for a millage on this balance.

31:23 And ask our community, community, do you support education?

31:27 Do you support your public education?

31:28 Do you support your schools?

31:30 Is it important to you?

31:32 I think we need our community to jump in also.

31:40 Pretty much what I have to say, thank you.

31:43 - Thank you, Ms. McDougall.

31:44 Any board member want to address Ms. McDougall’s question?

31:48 Ms. Jenkins.

31:49 - Ms. McDougall, I appreciate you bringing that up.

31:52 It’s something that I’ve been waiting for

31:56 as an employee of BPS before getting on this board.

31:59 I don’t remember if it was 2018 or 2019.

32:03 I specifically remember ‘cause it was a shocking number

32:06 of districts across the state.

32:08 I think it was 19 districts put it on their ballot.

32:11 All of them passed with flying colors

32:14 and were able to give significant increases

32:16 to their employees back then.

32:17 It was before that minimum teacher salary increase.

32:21 And it made a huge difference on the impact

32:23 of the morale of their staff

32:25 and probably overall the performance of their students.

32:28 And so I think it’s a no brainer

32:32 that we attempt to do the same here on the Space Coast

32:34 and just increase our ability to compete

32:39 with the surrounding counties around us.

32:41 You know, we lose,

32:42 because we’re such a weird shaped district,

32:44 we leave so many of our employees

32:46 in the North area over to Orange County

32:48 and so many of our employees in the South area

32:49 down to Indian River making significantly more money

32:53 with their years experience

32:54 once they hit that 10 to 12 year mark.

32:56 So I think it’s really, really important

32:59 and I absolutely support that idea as well.

33:03 - Anyone else?

33:07 Camille.

33:10 - Can I just like do my things

33:11 about the budget presentation too

33:13 and then I will address.

33:14 First of all, thank you for sharing your story.

33:16 A lot of times when we think about, you know,

33:18 this gets thrown in our face

33:20 rather than just given as a reminder,

33:22 people think about a certain type of kid, right?

33:26 But we have kids in every grade level

33:30 from all different kinds of background,

33:33 backgrounds who struggle and need that acknowledgement

33:37 that they are unique and they learn in a unique way

33:41 and those relationships are so important.

33:43 So thank you for sharing your story

33:44 and hope that Madison has found that kind of relationship

33:46 with the teachers that she has this year.

33:49 - She does.

33:50 - Good, good, but thank you for that story

33:52 because we need a reminder of what it really looks like

33:55 the face of a child and their story

33:57 and their emotions, right?

33:59 That you’re dealing with as a mom,

34:01 but also that our teachers and our staff deal with as well.

34:06 Competition, I think that word keeps being tossed out there

34:12 because one of the things we have to realize

34:13 is that we did receive all this extra funding

34:16 that we’re gonna be able to raise

34:18 but so did all the other counties.

34:20 They got the same proportionate share

34:23 and so they’re going to also be putting funding

34:25 into raising their employees up to $15 an hour

34:28 and raising their teacher salaries up to the 47.5

34:31 and doing all of that.

34:33 In addition, we’ve talked just about

34:36 competition with other counties,

34:37 but the truth is we lose a lot of our people

34:39 to other non-education jobs.

34:41 We lose a lot of our drivers to go drive for Amazon.

34:44 We lose a lot of our 10/10 staff

34:46 to go work at the Walmart warehouse.

34:49 We lose teachers who just give up the profession

34:51 to go do– - Space Center.

34:54 - Right, Space Center, whatever, something else.

34:58 And so, it’s just something we need to keep in front of mind.

35:07 The other thing about competition is

35:09 every time we do the budget presentation,

35:10 we have those similar first slides

35:13 and we tend to lament their growth in charter,

35:17 their growth in scholarships.

35:19 Just to bring it back around though,

35:21 we did receive the funding

35:24 for all the students that we have.

35:26 We receive it every year except for the year

35:27 when we got more funding than the students that we had.

35:29 We receive all the funding for every student that we have.

35:33 The charter schools receive the funding

35:35 for the students that they have.

35:36 The scholarship is kind of a new thing,

35:38 but that funding technically is not taken away from us.

35:42 That funding goes to the students

35:43 that are doing the scholarship opportunities.

35:46 Going back to the competition theme,

35:48 we have to embrace that we are

35:52 in a more competitive environment than ever

35:55 and we need to show, rather than lament,

35:57 we need to show what BPS has that other people don’t have.

36:02 Me personally, when I look around

36:04 at the options around our county,

36:05 I’m a music person, I’m not sure

36:07 that there is a school system in Brevard,

36:12 private or charter or homeschool co-op, whatever,

36:16 that can do what we can do music-wise.

36:18 They’re not doing it.

36:20 We have amazing programs that are only available

36:22 and if you want world-class music education,

36:25 BPS is the place to go in Brevard County

36:28 and I don’t apologize for that.

36:29 That’s why my kids are here because one of the reasons

36:32 why they’re in all the schools that they’re in

36:33 because we chose the music route.

36:36 There’s lots of other things,

36:38 but we have to embrace that competition

36:42 because scholarships aren’t going away,

36:45 charter schools aren’t going away

36:47 and it’s not an enemy necessarily,

36:50 but it is a chance to emphasize CTE.

36:54 No one’s doing CTE like we’re doing CTE

36:56 and we continue to improve every year

36:59 because of the hardworking staff that we have

37:01 and the focus that we have had

37:02 on making these internships happen.

37:05 Thank you, Mr. Susan, for keeping pushing that button.

37:09 Yeah. - It is cheerleading.

37:10 - Right, yeah, you know what, the cheerleading helps,

37:14 but those kinds of things.

37:15 We’ve got to continue to just honestly brag on our people,

37:20 brag on our programs, brag on and continue to improve them.

37:24 Those aren’t empty words when we brag

37:26 that we have the best high school orchestra in the country.

37:30 More on that tonight, but we have that

37:33 and so I just encourage us as a board

37:36 to keep our focus on that

37:38 rather than continue seeing these numbers

37:40 and we go, oh, no, all right, challenge accepted.

37:46 We have to be the best that’s going on out there

37:48 if we want people to come to us.

37:49 It’s a marketplace and it’s a free marketplace

37:52 of education more than ever before

37:54 and people aren’t just going to their school

37:56 in their neighborhood.

37:57 A lot of people are because for them,

37:58 the choice that they want to make

38:00 is the school that’s right next door because that’s easy.

38:02 It’s close and I went there and my parents went there.

38:06 My sister went there, whatever, they’ll do that

38:09 and that’s their choice, but more and more people

38:11 are making different choices and we need to embrace that.

38:15 To your point, Ms. McDougall,

38:20 I’m always willing to look at information

38:23 and I do think we have some unique challenges.

38:25 I think the communication, it’s gonna be an education piece

38:31 because we see these challenges

38:32 ‘cause we look at these numbers every year,

38:34 multiple times a year and we know what our challenges are.

38:36 We know what compression is.

38:37 A lot of times we say compression.

38:38 Does everybody on the public

38:39 really understand what that means?

38:41 That they understand that we might have a manager

38:43 making $15, $25 an hour managing people

38:46 who are making 25 cents less an hour than they do.

38:48 They understand what that means,

38:49 that we have teachers,

38:50 so I was just talking to one last night,

38:52 who’s been working with us for 15 years

38:55 and she’s making just a little bit more

38:58 than a teacher who just walked through the door

39:00 out of college.

39:02 Yeah, so and that’s tough to swallow

39:06 and it makes people wanna leave more

39:08 and we don’t wanna lose that.

39:09 So the complexities of our budget

39:13 are easy to get lost in the messaging.

39:17 So I just think we’d have to just make it super clear

39:20 what it is that we’re trying to do.

39:23 We’re not, it wouldn’t be going out

39:24 because poor woe is BPS.

39:27 We’ve lost all this money ‘cause of charter school.

39:28 No, it needs to be, everybody,

39:30 ‘cause honestly, the charter schools,

39:33 they need additional funding too.

39:35 They do and we would be sharing it with them

39:37 ‘cause by law we have to.

39:39 Their teachers need, I was at a charter school,

39:41 I’m sorry, I’m going along.

39:42 I was at a charter school a few weeks ago

39:43 as our charter school liaison visiting a school

39:46 and with the, they were asking how did you,

39:49 did you pull money from your budget

39:51 to raise the teachers up to whatever were 46, eight?

39:54 And I said, no.

39:55 And they’re like, well, how did you do that?

39:55 I said, well, we just already had a lot of teachers

39:57 that were close to it.

39:59 They’re still only able to get their teachers

40:01 up to like $42,000 a year.

40:05 They could use this too.

40:07 So it needs to be just that education funding

40:10 in general in Brevard County is struggling

40:14 and I think that communication needs to be clear

40:16 if that’s where we go.

40:17 But I certainly am willing to look at the information.

40:23 - Anyone else before I?

40:27 - No, she can go.

40:28 - I just have like one really quick thing

40:30 that just kind of segues off of that

40:31 and then I promise I’m done.

40:32 But jumping off of what Ms. Campbell said,

40:35 I think it’s really important to, of course,

40:37 educate the public of why we need that

40:39 but also remind them when that millage decreased.

40:42 It decreased ‘cause of the housing crisis,

40:44 across the entire nation, across the state of Florida

40:46 and Brevard but I’m pretty sure people are well aware

40:50 of how insane our housing market is now.

40:53 We are no longer in that situation anymore.

40:56 And so that is really why it’s important

40:58 to have this conversation.

40:59 And I think it would be really interesting

41:00 to find out at this point in 2022,

41:04 how many counties have went back

41:06 and increased that millage back up to the 2000 and great.

41:09 Because again, that one year alone was 19 counties,

41:12 but there’s more and more every single year.

41:14 Thanks.

41:15 - Thank you, Ms. Jenkins.

41:16 Mr. Susan.

41:19 - Yeah, there’s a lot of sentiments that I agree with

41:21 that are sitting here.

41:24 I think it behooves us to also dig into the budget

41:26 to make sure that what Dr. Mullins has been consistent with

41:30 in the past, he’s consistent with now.

41:32 I just pulled all of the presentations

41:34 to SIAC for insurance and I’m gonna go through those

41:36 to offer up anything to save.

41:38 But the bottom line is this.

41:41 This kind of hits me because I was a teacher here

41:43 for nine years and the last time I checked,

41:46 I was the only classroom teacher that’s ever made it through

41:48 that’s like been a consistent classroom teacher

41:51 that’s sponsored the clubs and done all this stuff.

41:54 So when I was in here, the first year that I was in,

41:57 they froze salaries, froze them.

42:00 And so I worked for seven years without a cost increase.

42:04 Seven years and they let other people

42:07 who were coming in from Orange County to get their steps.

42:12 So literally, I’m sitting here in my classroom

42:14 in O’Gally High School, I’ll never forget it.

42:16 And the woman that lived right next door,

42:18 worked right next door to me

42:19 was making $3,000 more a year.

42:21 So in order for me to offset the cost of that,

42:24 I sat down and taught seven of seven classes.

42:28 At the time we had two plannings.

42:30 I taught seven of seven without a break all day.

42:34 And that was multiple history classes,

42:36 multiple kids, I had a lot of students

42:38 with disabilities in my classes that I would take them in.

42:41 And I would teach, I mean, I remember one girl,

42:43 I taught her ninth grade US or world history

42:46 in the middle of my American history class.

42:49 It’s what we do.

42:51 And then after it was all done, I would go and I was a coach.

42:56 And I was a head coach to the lacrosse team

42:58 that I have on my shirt right here.

43:00 And then after that was done, I literally got in my car

43:02 and drove and taught night school.

43:05 So you wanna talk about somebody that was committed

43:07 trying to make a difference in kids’ lives

43:09 and was getting paid peanuts for it, I’m right there.

43:13 It’s my story.

43:14 And I will tell you that there is nobody in this world

43:18 that can connect to a kid in high school like a teacher.

43:23 We all know that we have our kids at home

43:25 and they don’t wanna listen to us.

43:28 I mean, I’m just now getting my 19 year old

43:30 to start listening to me when she’s in college.

43:32 And that’s just ‘cause I’m not around to drive her crazy.

43:35 But I’ll tell you, there’s no single individual

43:39 in this community that has more of an impact

43:42 in a child’s life than those teachers

43:44 that are in front of them.

43:46 And one of the hardest things I ever had to do

43:48 was make a financial decision to leave teaching.

43:51 And a lot of that had to be wrapped around the fact

43:53 that I was able to make more money outside

43:55 in the private sector, which some of you guys have said.

43:58 And it was a sad day.

44:00 And I will tell you and Mullins will tell you too,

44:03 the hardest thing anybody can ever do

44:06 is leave teaching and then go back.

44:09 Because every time I’m back in a school,

44:11 my energy level pops up, I’m so excited,

44:13 I mess with the kids a little bit too much,

44:15 because there’s nothing better

44:17 than being a teacher in this world.

44:19 And I think from the bottom of my heart

44:22 that we need to have our teachers to be appreciated.

44:26 And I spent a lot of time being in my position

44:29 with the Florida School Board Association

44:31 in many districts around the state of Florida.

44:34 And there are a lot of them that already have millages

44:38 that we are competing against that have told our,

44:41 that are paying their people more.

44:43 And we’re losing to them, we are.

44:47 For me, my story comes from being frozen

44:50 and having to give up probably my happiest career

44:54 I will ever have because I barely had enough money

44:57 on the weekends to take my daughter to the beach.

45:00 And that’s sick.

45:02 So I know there’s a lot of teachers

45:04 that are on the verge this year that are out there

45:07 that are saying, you know what, I just can’t do it anymore,

45:10 there’s more opportunities out here, and let’s face it,

45:12 we are the only county in the state of Florida

45:14 that is projected to not hit a depression

45:17 or a recession in the next 20 years.

45:20 Literally by the Florida Chamber and by all the other groups

45:23 because of the amount of defense industry

45:26 and aviation we have coming.

45:28 So it’s gonna be tough, we’re not doing this this year,

45:30 it’s not gonna be next year, I mean, we have,

45:32 in other counties across the state of Florida,

45:34 each one of the individuals that works inside of those,

45:37 and some of them, the county job and the school board job

45:39 are the best jobs in the county.

45:41 Well, not here.

45:42 I mean, freaking, we got like SpaceX and Blue Origins

45:46 and NASA, and I mean, there’s opportunities every day

45:48 that pluck our teachers.

45:49 And every time Dr. Mullins gives them awards the next year,

45:52 they’re running off taking a job somewhere

45:54 ‘cause they got on somebody’s radar.

45:56 So the bottom line is is that as a teacher,

46:00 I will tell you that I had to leave this profession

46:02 because of it, and I’ll make an argument

46:05 that I was a damn good teacher,

46:06 and I cared about those kids,

46:08 and I run into them all the time, and I see them,

46:10 and it just reminds me.

46:11 I mean, it reminds me of what we did.

46:14 But what the other thing is is that we need to do

46:16 is there’s two things.

46:17 One, we’re not making the decision.

46:19 We’re giving it to our voters to make the decision,

46:21 and that’s a mandate on us too,

46:22 the school board members, just so you know.

46:25 But the other thing is is that I would have to see

46:27 what Dr. Mullins brings back,

46:29 because there’s a lot of things that if I was to support

46:31 this that I would wanna see inside there.

46:34 We’re talking about salaries,

46:35 but our coaches are some of the worst paid coaches

46:37 in the entire state of Florida.

46:39 It’s not anybody’s fault.

46:40 It’s just their stipends are the lowest.

46:42 We can’t even get people to do academics.

46:45 We can’t get people who sponsor clubs.

46:47 Needs to be part of it.

46:49 So I am the same sentiments.

46:52 I have a personal story of me,

46:55 and I appreciate you bringing it up.

46:57 Let’s see what we’ve got.

47:00 - Thank you, Mr. Susan.

47:02 Anybody else before I?

47:06 - Mr. Susan, thank you for bringing that up.

47:07 I think another thing for people to be aware of

47:10 is the insane percentage of our teachers

47:13 that have second jobs just to survive.

47:16 I can’t even imagine what that number would be

47:19 for the rest of our employee groups

47:20 that are making $15 an hour and under.

47:22 I can assume it would only be higher.

47:26 Just my husband came on right around

47:29 probably when Mr. Susan came on, same thing.

47:31 Had a second job most of his career as an educator.

47:34 I had a second job most of my career as an educator.

47:37 At one point, I had three,

47:39 just to live paycheck to paycheck.

47:42 So it’s not just our teachers.

47:44 It’s definitely all of our employees,

47:45 but I appreciate you bringing that up, Mr. Susan,

47:47 and I think it’s, again, I think it’d be really interesting

47:49 to get data like that out to the public.

47:51 How many of them need to work a second job

47:54 just to live a decent living wage?

47:56 So thanks.

47:58 - Thank you, Mr. Jenkins.

48:00 - I think, sorry.

48:01 I think one thing to remember is this.

48:05 People work second jobs, many people do.

48:07 There’s no doubt, right?

48:10 I know a lot of people, the gig economy,

48:12 the 1099 economy has become the new thing.

48:15 But there’s a difference here with teachers.

48:18 They are making a difference in the community.

48:21 When you go to work in many of the different jobs,

48:23 that many people say, “Well, I’ve got five jobs.

48:25 “I work the same amount of hours.”

48:28 There is a specific skillset that we need

48:30 inside of our teachers that takes a specific type of person

48:34 to get the best outcomes for our children

48:36 to build our future.

48:37 And that’s what people need to understand

48:39 is that in order to attract that good, specific skillset,

48:44 there needs to be part of that,

48:45 needs to be conversation.

48:48 Thank you.

48:50 - Thank you, Mr. Susan.

48:53 So I have a couple of questions

48:56 before I get into the current discussion,

48:58 Ms. Blasinski, if you don’t mind.

49:01 On the TSIA, the language still exists,

49:06 if I understand correctly,

49:07 and I’m hoping that you can tell me I am correct

49:10 or I am wrong.

49:12 But so we got it from the 80/20 split to the 50/50 split,

49:16 but we still have the language and statute

49:18 that requires that for every,

49:23 for every dollar 50,

49:27 until we get to the 47.5,

49:29 it’s like 150% has to go to teachers below.

49:36 And then once we hit the 47.5,

49:38 for every dollar we give to our veteran teachers

49:40 who are making more than 47.5,

49:42 we have to give 75 cents, I think,

49:46 to our new teachers that they didn’t,

49:48 they didn’t give us any leeway on that, right?

49:50 - Actually, that’s something that we are digging into.

49:54 There’s some portions that are a little vague

49:56 and we have a super smart person over there,

50:01 Rebecca, that, you know,

50:02 she was kind of looking at different percentages.

50:04 And so we’re still looking into it

50:07 to see if there’s a different way that we can do it.

50:10 But my understanding is what you said is correct,

50:13 but we’re still looking to see

50:16 if we can work some things differently.

50:20 Is that kind of right, Rebecca?

50:24 - Thank you, Rebecca, for looking into that

50:26 and seeing if we can get,

50:28 ‘cause that really creates,

50:31 it makes it almost impossible for us

50:32 to fully address the compensation

50:35 or the compression issue in our teacher force.

50:42 - And incredibly complicated.

50:43 - Yeah, and we don’t have that issue

50:45 with 10/10 and non-bargaining, right?

50:47 That’s restricted to teachers.

50:49 It’s just the teachers.

50:50 - Yeah, and then the other question that I had for you,

50:53 I know that we had some pretty good indication

50:56 that our third calc issue would be addressed during session.

51:01 Do we know if, do we have relief coming there?

51:04 - Yes, the FDOE brief that they received approval

51:10 from all the primary people that have to provide approvals

51:13 that they can fix that in the fourth calc.

51:17 And then what happened was the state put aside,

51:21 what, $426 million as reserve

51:27 because they knew that scholarships

51:31 was gonna be kind of tricky and what that cost would be.

51:34 And we were to be a pass-through.

51:37 And so they reserved that funding.

51:39 I think 200 million was for the Gardner scholarships

51:42 that went away.

51:43 And then there was another 286, something like that.

51:46 And so when it came to third calc,

51:51 they used 186 million instead of the entire reserve.

51:58 And the legislature actually, the purpose of that reserve

52:02 was that was their estimate of what it was gonna cost.

52:06 And it made no sense to anyone

52:08 for whatever reason that happened.

52:10 And when the legislature realized what happened,

52:14 they’re like, no, that’s not the intention.

52:16 So I was told that it would be fixed in the fourth calc.

52:21 So ‘cause right now in the third calc,

52:23 we receive a plus up of 15.5 million,

52:29 but charters went up by 20.

52:32 So again, it was brief that different levels

52:37 that that would be corrected on the fourth calc.

52:40 - Good, that’s definitely good news.

52:42 You mentioned that our safe schools allocation went up

52:45 and I don’t know, this might be a major Neil question.

52:49 I don’t know if there’s been any conversation around it,

52:50 but I know we’ve had concerns about being able

52:53 to sustain the school safety specialist program

52:56 because of potential training dollars available.

52:59 Do you know if there was any additional funding provided

53:02 for that program to make sure that we can continue

53:06 to train and hire as we have gaps?

53:10 - I forget the name of that area.

53:16 That funds that, but it is still funded this year.

53:19 So I think we should be okay on the training.

53:22 The state provides funding for the sheriff to train the…

53:37 - Awesome, great news, thank you.

53:39 - It’s in the language.

53:41 - Super, thank you.

53:44 All right, so to the topic of conversation at hand,

53:48 a couple of things that I think Ms. Lisinski

53:51 went through the challenges that we have ahead of us

53:54 and what we need to do to meet those challenges.

53:58 And I think it’s important to point out

53:59 that regardless of the conversation that takes place today

54:02 in the direction given to the superintendent,

54:04 which clearly there’s a majority,

54:05 so it doesn’t really matter how I weigh in on the issue.

54:09 But I think it’s important to state

54:11 that we still have to do those things, right?

54:15 So I don’t want the public to think

54:17 that we’re just gonna try to go out for a millage

54:19 so we don’t have to make any of the tough choices.

54:22 I think we still have to look at one of the things

54:25 that we have tried really hard to do

54:27 and actually we received funding to do

54:30 was to keep people employed during the pandemic.

54:33 And we’ve done that.

54:35 If we don’t see that rebound in enrollment,

54:37 then I think unfortunately we come to a point

54:39 where we have to look at efficiencies, right?

54:42 And whether that be that we eliminate some of those positions

54:45 whether it be that we have to look at, you know,

54:48 mining facilities, those types of things

54:51 for a main efficient,

54:52 I think that still comes along with it, right?

54:56 We’re not looking for an easy way out through a millage.

54:57 I think that’s important.

55:01 But I think we have come to a point

55:03 where we really have to allow our community

55:08 to weigh in on the issue.

55:09 And help us to determine our priorities

55:12 or the priorities from the community.

55:16 You know, we hear all the time the concerns

55:18 about not having enough bus drivers

55:20 and buses running late and kids not getting to school

55:22 and not being able to eat and not being in class.

55:26 We hear all the time about we have substitutes coming in

55:29 and working in our cafeteria.

55:31 We have one or two people working in, you know,

55:33 an entire cafeteria to school.

55:35 We certainly have the teacher issue of people leaving.

55:39 I think you guys probably got the email yesterday

55:41 of one of our teachers that shared her letter of resignation.

55:47 And we hear that more and more.

55:48 And the reality is that if we can’t keep good people

55:53 in the system, we can’t be competitive.

55:56 And while I agree with you, Ms. Campbell,

55:58 that we need to stop lamenting over those numbers

56:00 and instead really sell BPS

56:02 and the reasons that we’re the best.

56:04 The truth of the matter is that we can only be the best

56:06 if we have the best people.

56:08 Because it doesn’t matter what we do up here

56:11 with regard to passing policies and those sorts of things.

56:14 If we don’t have the right people

56:16 in the schools to serve our students,

56:19 then we can’t be the best and we can’t be competitive

56:21 in this new competitive market.

56:23 And so I think our community deserves an opportunity

56:29 to weigh in and tell us what’s most important to them.

56:33 So I would certainly just think you will support

56:36 your request for us to look at that again.

56:39 And you’re right, Ms. Campbell, the communication

56:42 and Ms. Spinkins, you mentioned it too.

56:46 I think we definitely have to do a lot of,

56:48 providing a lot of information.

56:50 But we are at a point where it’s not going to get better

56:53 and we’ve got that cliff when SRNs

56:56 that we’re gonna have to deal with as well.

56:58 So yes, I thank you for bringing forward the conversation

57:02 and Dr. Mullins, do you need additional guidance

57:06 from us on where to go next or?

57:09 - No, I appreciate the board’s discussion.

57:11 If I may just take a couple of minutes.

57:15 First, I’d like to also thank Ms. Lisinski

57:18 and the finance team for your great work

57:21 over the last, I don’t know, week and a half

57:23 that we’ve had the conference report.

57:24 I mean, I think this is the shortest turnaround time

57:27 we’ve ever had to put together a budget presentation

57:30 and appreciate your hard work

57:31 and the hard work of the team,

57:32 especially through some employment transition challenges.

57:36 So appreciate the work you get us ready

57:38 for this conversation today.

57:42 But also, thank you for sharing the story of Madison

57:45 and just elevating what our first priority is and remains

57:52 and that is the people who influenced the kids’ lives

57:54 that we are entrusted to serve.

57:58 But I also wanna thank this board

58:01 because you have consistently demonstrated

58:05 your championship for kids

58:07 and have recognized the hard decisions

58:11 and challenges we’ve had to face as a district.

58:15 We didn’t include it in this presentation,

58:17 but I know it’ll be familiar with the board

58:19 and hopefully to our public.

58:21 We’ve cut over $35 million from the operating budget

58:25 over the last six years.

58:28 And that has come with some very hard realities.

58:34 We’ve eliminated media assistance across all of our schools.

58:37 That was a reduction in workforce.

58:39 We’ve eliminated other positions across the district

58:43 as well as in our schools,

58:45 supporting our teachers to do their great work.

58:47 And when we can’t provide the supports around the classroom,

58:51 then our teachers have to take on

58:54 additional responsibilities and so on

58:57 and more work and it just compounds.

59:02 So in the midst of having to make those hard decisions,

59:08 everywhere I go in our community, they’re grateful.

59:11 They recognize our world-class career

59:15 and technical education programs,

59:16 the opportunities we’re providing our students,

59:18 the expansion of workplace experiences for them.

59:22 Our business partners are complimenting us

59:24 on the work of our teachers

59:25 and preparing our kids for the workforce.

59:29 Our music programs are,

59:31 I’m gonna read a testimonial this evening.

59:34 An unsolicited testimonial from a fellow music expert

59:40 in the state who experienced our music programs.

59:45 We are, we’re number one.

59:47 We have a graduation rate that has continued to go up.

59:51 We are tackling the underperformance of some students

59:55 in our third grade reading performance.

59:58 We’re tackling very vigorously

1:00:02 and we’re making a difference in our students’ lives.

1:00:05 And I appreciate this board continuing

1:00:10 to not only be champions for kids and for our schools,

1:00:15 but demonstrating that through having to make hard choices

1:00:19 and supporting what we have to do to meet the needs,

1:00:22 but now also recognizing the necessity

1:00:25 to have our community understand, along with us,

1:00:29 to continue to be the competitive school system we are

1:00:32 and to keep our best, retain Brevard’s best,

1:00:35 that we need to put this before them for consideration.

1:00:38 So I understand the board’s direction

1:00:41 is to prepare language for a millage

1:00:45 on the general election ballot, November of ‘22,

1:00:50 to put before our community to support compensation

1:00:55 for our employees when we begin receiving revenue.

1:01:00 Did I get that correct, Madam Chair and board members?

1:01:06 - Thank you, go ahead.

1:01:09 - Yes, that is correct, but I also think about,

1:01:15 this is from my, maybe Ms. Paul,

1:01:19 is I would love us to bring back,

1:01:21 if we can find bus drivers,

1:01:23 which is the big F, regional bus drivers,

1:01:25 ‘cause I do think some of our students are missing out,

1:01:28 that they can’t go to some of the CTE programs

1:01:30 because there is no transportation for them.

1:01:33 So if we could maybe incorporate a little bit of that too.

1:01:36 - We’ll look at that as well.

1:01:41 - I just have a clarifying question.

1:01:42 Mr. Susan had mentioned, and Mrs. Susan, I’m sorry,

1:01:45 Mr. Susan, you know, our coaches and staff.

1:01:50 So my understanding was,

1:01:54 for the counties that had gone out for the millage,

1:01:56 this can go towards any form of compensation

1:01:59 and for staffing.

1:02:00 Is that true, or is that something that we have to define?

1:02:04 - Well, my understanding, and I’ll let Mr. Gibbs weigh in,

1:02:09 as, you know, from the legal perspective,

1:02:12 a millage for the operating budget

1:02:15 can be allocated and used for any purpose,

1:02:18 unlike the half cent sales tax.

1:02:20 That has to be used solely for the purpose of capital.

1:02:23 But a millage can be used for operating budget expenses

1:02:27 that can include everything from compensation

1:02:29 to supplements and so on.

1:02:31 However, we have a collective bargaining agreement

1:02:33 with our different employee groups,

1:02:35 and how those funds would be ultimately distributed

1:02:41 would be subject to collective bargaining.

1:02:45 Did I represent that correctly, Mr. Gibbs?

1:02:51 - I would want to confirm all of that through statute,

1:02:54 but my understanding is operational

1:02:56 is for operational costs.

1:02:57 So the one limit might be you can’t use it for capital.

1:03:00 So there’s a capital millage that you can do separate.

1:03:02 But yes, I think that’s the right answer,

1:03:04 but I’ll confirm that.

1:03:10 - Anybody else?

1:03:14 All right, then I think we are now moving on

1:03:16 to our update on capital projects funding.

1:03:19 Ms. Han?

1:03:22 - Okay, I think I’m gonna kick this off

1:03:24 and then Ms. Han will come and end the briefing

1:03:29 for the capital side.

1:03:31 - Okay, super.

1:03:32 Thank you, Ms. Lisinski.

1:03:36 - So, you know, not to take any thunder away from Sue,

1:03:42 but capital funding is critical as well for the learning.

1:03:46 And studies have proven that the facility quality

1:03:54 is a major factor or predictor for teacher retention

1:03:58 and student learning.

1:04:00 So everything from proper light to air quality.

1:04:05 I even read that the color of the paint

1:04:07 makes a big difference within the classroom.

1:04:10 So all of those things.

1:04:12 [BLANK_AUDIO]

1:04:22 you know, an inviting space, and there’s a lot of things

1:04:15 that we can do now, you know, to make it inviting,

1:04:17 but I just want to stress the importance

1:04:21 of teachers and students and all the employees

1:04:27 having facilities where they feel like

1:04:29 that they’re welcomed and they’re respected,

1:04:33 that, you know, it’s that they’re there

1:04:36 and they’re professional, they’re there to learn.

1:04:40 And then also the 21st century skills,

1:04:44 such as teamwork, collaboration, problem solving,

1:04:47 all of those things and all the computer stuff

1:04:51 that Russell buys for the technical side

1:04:57 is just so important, and then some of these classrooms

1:05:00 and these old buildings are, you know,

1:05:02 maybe not made for that.

1:05:04 So I just want to kind of have that as a lead in

1:05:10 as we talk about what we came up with as a committee

1:05:15 to provide recommendations for funding next year

1:05:19 for capital dollars.

1:05:22 And then you can see the tax assessment history here.

1:05:27 And, you know, you can see pre-pandemic was 1920,

1:05:32 and the property taxes assessment

1:05:38 is just continuing to rise.

1:05:40 That probably wasn’t the prediction two years ago,

1:05:43 but it’s something.

1:05:47 And then when you look at that 1.5 mills

1:05:52 and considering 96% collection, we have $81 million.

1:05:58 We do have debt service that we have to pay.

1:06:01 And then we also transfer maintenance dollars

1:06:06 as well as property insurance.

1:06:08 And so the remaining, I should say,

1:06:11 LCI funding for projects is 27.8 million.

1:06:17 And again, if you want to attract the best talent,

1:06:20 you also have to create the best working environments.

1:06:29 So this was the request that we had.

1:06:34 $38.6 million worth of requests,

1:06:37 and we had 27.8 million to allocate.

1:06:42 And you can look through this list and see,

1:06:47 and this isn’t priority order

1:06:49 of the things that we felt that we could fund.

1:06:52 The committee included Mr. Novelli, Suhan,

1:06:57 Russell Cheatham, and Winnie Knipple, Susan Denyer.

1:07:03 And then you can see the different things

1:07:05 that we were funding, always with the priorities

1:07:09 of what makes sense for the district.

1:07:13 And then there were some areas where we felt

1:07:17 that we could possibly use funding from a different source.

1:07:33 - Can I ask, okay, I just have a goofy question.

1:07:40 I’m looking at this list and I just want

1:07:42 to better understand what a portable toilet trailer is.

1:07:48 I’m curious, I’ve not heard of that.

1:07:52 - Really, well, actually my daughter came home one day

1:07:56 from school and said that the water wasn’t working

1:08:00 and the district brought in portable trailers

1:08:03 so the students could use the restroom.

1:08:07 - So, do we have a bunch of those, Ms. Nance?

1:08:10 I mean. (laughing)

1:08:18 - So that’s when I’m having a bad day.

1:08:22 What it means is, Ms. Lissensky said,

1:08:23 the water’s off or there’s some plumbing disaster

1:08:26 and we basically bring in Port-A-Lets on a trailer.

1:08:30 So it’s a multi-bathroom asset that is mobile

1:08:33 that comes onto the site.

1:08:35 And we have a couple of them.

1:08:36 We’re looking to add one so that we have them deployed

1:08:39 in different areas of the county because we’re so long.

1:08:42 If it’s in the wrong spot, our kids have to wait.

1:08:44 - Okay, thank you.

1:08:54 - And then we also added a list

1:08:59 that if we receive additional dollars,

1:09:01 if we find that we’re gonna receive additional dollars

1:09:05 ‘cause of the property values increase.

1:09:10 So we have this list here for another $3 million

1:09:13 that we would buy some of these things back or add things

1:09:17 as we receive additional funding.

1:09:22 And I would say, I just realized this today,

1:09:26 that the ARP dollars came in and there’s, I think,

1:09:31 $3 million for classrooms for FF&E.

1:09:34 So some of these may come off

1:09:40 because there’s some great money coming in

1:09:43 to do amazing work to our classrooms.

1:09:49 - I just remember, I was about to ask you

1:09:51 what the excellence, one of the things that,

1:09:54 one of the cuts, the modern classrooms, number 14,

1:09:56 from 7.1 million to 1 million is a part

1:09:58 of excellence elevated, but that is the plan

1:10:00 for the ARP funding, am I, is that correct?

1:10:05 Dr. Mullins or whoever, excellence elevated,

1:10:08 that’s the ARP plan?

1:10:09 - Correct, I think Mr. Cheatham,

1:10:11 are you coming up to clarify that further?

1:10:15 - It’s a long walk.

1:10:22 - I believe that’s our one-to-one.

1:10:24 - Okay.

1:10:27 - Good afternoon, yes, excellence elevated,

1:10:29 that’s our newer classrooms, the classrooms you’d see

1:10:32 at South Lake or Vieira Elementary.

1:10:35 With excellence elevated initially,

1:10:37 not knowing how much ARP dollars we were gonna get,

1:10:40 the goal was to bring all of our classrooms

1:10:42 up to that level.

1:10:43 Our 21st century classrooms are similar

1:10:45 to what you see here with the projectors and strings,

1:10:47 where we’re trying to move forward

1:10:48 with the modern classroom and having the flat panels

1:10:51 in front of the classrooms and things like that.

1:10:53 So, still trying to chip away at that

1:10:56 without the ESSER dollars to fully support it

1:10:58 for all of our classrooms.

1:10:59 - Awesome, thank you.

1:11:18 - Oh, one more question, sorry.

1:11:19 And number 46, the distributed antenna system,

1:11:22 is that the, like to help with the communications

1:11:27 at our schools that are in kind of like cellular holes?

1:11:30 Okay, Sue’s nodding her head yes, okay, thank you.

1:11:45 - One of the questions we have for the board

1:11:47 and for discussion is are you comfortable

1:11:51 with the prioritization that the allocation committee

1:11:55 has presented and then also the priority request

1:11:59 to add back in the event that the revenue

1:12:02 does go up because of the 96%?

1:12:04 Sometimes we get additional revenue

1:12:06 because it is funded at a higher rate than the 96%.

1:12:12 - The only one I saw that kind of perked out

1:12:14 was the ESF carpet renewal was the only one

1:12:16 that they increased on the thing.

1:12:18 If we can just bring that down to be equal

1:12:20 with the rest, the committee, you know, asked.

1:12:25 - Which item number was that?

1:12:27 - What is it?

1:12:27 - Number 32, I wondered though, Mr. Zusin,

1:12:30 because of the increased costs.

1:12:33 - Well then all the increase would increase costs.

1:12:36 Fuel, building, everything.

1:12:38 So it was just the optics, that’s all.

1:12:41 - I believe that’s a typo, I apologize.

1:12:43 - Okay.

1:12:49 - That increased because the original

1:12:52 was based on last year’s capital request.

1:12:55 It was a two year project.

1:12:56 That was actually the second of three years.

1:13:00 We were able to bring it in in two years.

1:13:02 However, what happened since that time

1:13:06 and the preparation of this presentation

1:13:10 is that we actually got a quote for the second half.

1:13:13 And so that price actually reflects a quote.

1:13:16 But we can certainly adjust if necessary.

1:13:19 So no problem either way.

1:13:22 - It was just optics, that’s all.

1:13:23 - Well I was just gonna suggest that

1:13:24 if we go with Mr. Zusin’s suggestion,

1:13:26 he gets to pick whose office doesn’t get re-carpeted.

1:13:29 (laughing)

1:13:31 - Well I got a list right here.

1:13:32 I just wanna put it in perspective.

1:13:35 This building may not look it,

1:13:38 but it is nearly 30 years, or it is 30 years old.

1:13:41 And we have entire pods in this facility

1:13:44 that have the original carpet

1:13:46 when the building was built.

1:13:49 So it is not a replace out of luxury.

1:13:56 It is absolutely out of necessity

1:13:58 just from a quality work environment,

1:14:00 air environment, et cetera.

1:14:02 - Well and just to remind all of us

1:14:04 that just like our half cent sales tax plans,

1:14:06 we have saved ESF for last.

1:14:09 That’s why all that construction’s going on out there.

1:14:11 Not because we don’t prioritize the people in this building,

1:14:13 but because our priority is on our schools and our students

1:14:16 and so everybody at ESF has had to wait ‘til the end

1:14:20 to have their, you know, the air conditioning

1:14:22 and the doors leaking and all of the work that’s being done,

1:14:26 you know, security wise right now

1:14:27 and the new entryway and all that, so.

1:14:31 - The unique paint.

1:14:33 - Yeah, and the green paint.

1:14:34 - The unique paint.

1:14:38 - If you’re asking for input, I appreciate this list.

1:14:43 I was taking a look when you first sent it

1:14:45 and we actually, usually when it goes from requested

1:14:49 to the committee proposed, it’s always either the same

1:14:52 or it’s down and I appreciate the FF and E went up

1:14:55 and I know $300,000 sometimes when you start buying

1:14:58 furniture for classrooms, that goes really fast.

1:15:02 But for secondary and elementary,

1:15:04 I appreciate that that was increased

1:15:05 because that’s how we get to these classrooms

1:15:09 where the kids walk in and they go,

1:15:10 wow, I wanna be here and I wanna learn here

1:15:12 and it’s not the same desks that their parents sat

1:15:15 in when they went to that school.

1:15:17 - With their initials still carved in them?

1:15:18 - With their initials still carved in it, right, exactly.

1:15:21 You know, I was just thinking,

1:15:22 that’s where I went to school, it was good enough for me,

1:15:24 it’s good enough for them.

1:15:25 Well, 50 years later, so, but no, I’m fine

1:15:30 with the list and the add back list as well.

1:15:38 - The final slide is just so you can get a snapshot

1:15:41 of our debt service schedule

1:15:44 and I’m gonna pass this to Ms. Han.

1:15:51 - We should come back for a party then.

1:15:53 I’m serious.

1:15:54 - Before we start talking about the projects,

1:15:56 I just, as a point of education,

1:15:57 because you know, we just did our other budget

1:16:01 and then some, and we come into this one

1:16:02 and I think sometimes people in the public are,

1:16:05 because we say, oh, we have,

1:16:06 our property values are skyrocketing,

1:16:07 you should have all this money.

1:16:08 They don’t understand that the operational side

1:16:10 of our budget is completely controlled by the legislature.

1:16:14 How much money we get, it’s per student.

1:16:15 It’s not based on how wealthy our county is

1:16:18 or how much our property values goes up.

1:16:20 Like the capital budget, this one can increase every year

1:16:23 based on property values

1:16:24 because it’s actually a set percentage

1:16:26 and we get whatever this percentage is

1:16:28 of our actual property values.

1:16:29 So just as a point of education,

1:16:31 I think it’s important for our community to know

1:16:32 that this one, of course, you know, there’s also,

1:16:36 it’s not recession proof and when property values went down

1:16:39 in those years, this one dropped significantly

1:16:42 and that’s why we had such, you know,

1:16:44 the horrible facilities that, conditions that we had

1:16:47 before the half-cent sales tax pass.

1:16:49 But just wanted to clarify that this one is different

1:16:52 and the operational budget is set by the state

1:16:55 and can’t go up and down necessarily according to property.

1:17:00 - That’s a good point, Mr. Harrell.

1:17:01 - And our taxable income is based upon,

1:17:04 your taxable income does not increase

1:17:06 based upon the amount of money that your house is worth.

1:17:09 It can only go up if you live in a homestead

1:17:11 of property by 3% every year.

1:17:14 So for people to, yeah, good point.

1:17:22 - Yeah, thanks.

1:17:24 - So good afternoon, everyone.

1:17:25 Sue Han, Assistant Superintendent for Facilities Services.

1:17:28 And I have to say, I am so excited to be here

1:17:31 talking about something that is not air conditioning.

1:17:34 (laughing)

1:17:35 I remember when I started here about seven years ago

1:17:37 that I spent a lot of time at this podium

1:17:40 talking about air conditioning and our learning environments

1:17:43 were not conducive to learning.

1:17:46 And I can’t tell you how happy and proud I am

1:17:49 to be standing here today talking about

1:17:52 putting more money into FF&E for kids in our classrooms.

1:17:56 And that is just an awesome place to be

1:17:59 considering where we were.

1:18:00 So I wanna thank the board and our community

1:18:02 for supporting all of our capital investments

1:18:04 because we’re getting to a place

1:18:06 where we can do great things for kids.

1:18:08 So I’m gonna talk just about some of the big projects

1:18:10 that we have going on.

1:18:11 This is a bit of an update, some of these slides.

1:18:13 You’ve seen some of these graphics before

1:18:15 and just kinda let you know where we are

1:18:17 with our major projects.

1:18:19 So this is the list of projects

1:18:21 that will be under construction soon.

1:18:23 And I’ll be going through these in a fair amount of detail.

1:18:27 But I also wanna highlight that little sentence

1:18:28 at the bottom that you’re gonna see on a lot of these slides

1:18:31 and that is that our costs and timing

1:18:33 are unpredictable these days.

1:18:35 We have a lot of variability in costs.

1:18:38 We have issues where we get under contract

1:18:41 and then suddenly we can’t get a whatever bid.

1:18:44 Things are very volatile right now

1:18:46 in the construction market.

1:18:47 So just be prepared for change.

1:18:49 I’m gonna be giving you what our best guess is

1:18:51 and what we’re planning.

1:18:53 But be prepared for things to change.

1:18:56 We also have some projects that are under development

1:18:58 and I’ll talk about these individually as well.

1:19:00 But we wanna plan for the future

1:19:02 and these are some of the things that we anticipate

1:19:04 will be coming up in the future.

1:19:07 So just a reminder, resources for facilities projects.

1:19:10 There’s really three big buckets that we work from.

1:19:13 Capital is in the middle

1:19:14 and can kind of do any capital projects.

1:19:17 That’s the funding that Cindy was talking about.

1:19:20 We have our sales surtax revenue

1:19:22 and that is primarily dedicated towards

1:19:25 renewal of facilities, at least in the facilities world.

1:19:28 So we’re not building new buildings, new student stations

1:19:31 with sales tax here in Brevard.

1:19:33 It’s eligible, it is not what we propose

1:19:36 to the voters for this round.

1:19:38 So really when we’re doing capacity projects,

1:19:40 we primarily use educational impact fees.

1:19:43 So I’m gonna talk a little bit about that

1:19:44 just to set the stage for most of our major projects.

1:19:49 Our educational impact fees are broken into two districts.

1:19:52 Basically the Vieira area is the north boundary

1:19:56 of the south district.

1:19:58 So Vieira area, Palm Bay, West Melbourne,

1:20:01 those communities are in the south district

1:20:04 and then Merritt Island, Cocoa, Titusville area,

1:20:07 those are in the north district.

1:20:09 The revenues must be spent in the district

1:20:12 where they’re collected, whether that is on debt service

1:20:15 or whether that is on new projects.

1:20:17 So there has to be a rational nexus

1:20:19 between the impact fee where it’s paid

1:20:21 and the educational facility where it’s applied.

1:20:26 And this program is administered and collected

1:20:28 by Brevard County government, not the school district.

1:20:31 So we are a partner, but we don’t set the rate,

1:20:34 we don’t collect the fees.

1:20:37 So our current revenue pace is pretty extraordinary.

1:20:42 This has been going up as it is tied

1:20:44 to the residential building market.

1:20:46 So the same type of slide that Cindy was showing you

1:20:49 with the accumulation of property tax or taxable base,

1:20:56 our slides are more related to the growth

1:20:58 in residential units.

1:20:59 So there is a lot of building going on out there

1:21:02 and that is providing impact fee revenues

1:21:05 for education among other things

1:21:07 that the county commission uses revenues for as well.

1:21:11 So what we do is quarterly,

1:21:13 we bring together the impact fee benefit district

1:21:15 advisory committees and those are stakeholders

1:21:18 from the affected municipalities in the county.

1:21:21 The district staff proposes the use of the funds

1:21:24 and the committee either endorses or doesn’t

1:21:27 or make suggestions and ultimately those recommendations

1:21:30 come to the school board, they go across the street

1:21:33 to the county commission and then we receive the money.

1:21:35 So it can be a two to three month process

1:21:38 from the time the quarter ends

1:21:40 till the time we actually get the revenue.

1:21:45 Looking through December, 2021,

1:21:48 these are some of the areas

1:21:51 where we have been reserving funds for projects.

1:21:53 So we have a little over 23 million reserved

1:21:56 for central area secondary projects

1:21:58 and that would include

1:21:59 both the Viera High School classroom addition

1:22:02 as well as the middle school in the Viera area.

1:22:05 We have some funds reserved

1:22:06 for a future South elementary school,

1:22:09 future South elementary classrooms

1:22:12 and we’ll be talking a little bit about

1:22:14 a West Melbourne School of Science project potentially.

1:22:17 We have a little over 7 million reserved

1:22:19 for North area elementary classrooms

1:22:22 and we’ll be starting on the South Lake project.

1:22:24 I believe on your agenda tonight

1:22:26 is a design contract for South Lake.

1:22:28 And then we have a project

1:22:32 at Palm Bay Magnet High School, Fire Academy.

1:22:35 That has been through the construction contracting process

1:22:40 and we believe we are under budget there.

1:22:42 So some of those funds will be able to come back

1:22:45 and similarly, we’ll be closing out Viera Elementary

1:22:48 and Cocoa High projects and we’ll be having some revenues

1:22:51 that we can redistribute but those have to go back

1:22:53 through that committee process that I mentioned.

1:22:56 So to talk specifically about projects,

1:22:58 first is the Firefighter Academy

1:23:00 at Palm Bay Magnet High School,

1:23:02 a relatively modest facility project.

1:23:04 It’s just basically adding some space

1:23:07 onto the corner of a building

1:23:09 that is currently over an overhang.

1:23:11 So the construction contract was approved in March

1:23:14 and we anticipate opening that in school year 23.

1:23:17 So excited to partner with CTE

1:23:19 and there’s a couple of those sprinkled

1:23:20 throughout this presentation

1:23:22 that really have some great opportunities

1:23:24 to invest in our CTE programs

1:23:26 if we can tie it to additional student stations.

1:23:30 At South Lake, we’ll be doing an eight classroom addition

1:23:34 and we have a prototype design contract

1:23:36 on the board agenda for tonight

1:23:39 using the Longleaf prototype model.

1:23:42 And this is generally a cost savings

1:23:44 if in the state it really encourages us to use prototypes.

1:23:48 So if you have already designed it once,

1:23:50 we can reuse that architecture again.

1:23:52 It’s not cheap but it’s less expensive

1:23:56 than starting from scratch.

1:23:57 We’ll also be using that model

1:23:59 for the Viera area middle school.

1:24:03 We used it for the Viera elementary project.

1:24:06 So our goal with the South Lake project

1:24:07 is completion in August of 23

1:24:09 and that too is funded with educational impact fees.

1:24:13 There are some capital components to that

1:24:15 where we are making some other improvements on site

1:24:18 that are more appropriately funded with capital.

1:24:21 So you’ll see a little bit of capital investment

1:24:23 as we move through that project.

1:24:26 The MIMS Cafetorium in North Brevard,

1:24:29 that is under construction pricing.

1:24:33 So you should be seeing a contract for construction

1:24:36 in April of this year.

1:24:38 So we’ll be starting construction hopefully in May

1:24:42 with a planned opening in spring of 2023.

1:24:45 So hopefully we can get that underway

1:24:48 and then we’ll also be working with elementary leading

1:24:51 and learning for renovation of the existing cafeteria space

1:24:55 to do something innovative and unique

1:24:57 with the existing cafeteria space.

1:25:00 So that’s kind of an exciting opportunity as well.

1:25:04 This is just a graphic that shows you the new layout

1:25:06 for the Cafetorium and the traffic circulation improvements

1:25:10 that we’ll be making at MIMS.

1:25:13 The Viera high school classroom addition project,

1:25:16 we have selected a design builder

1:25:18 and the pre-construction services contract

1:25:21 is on your agenda tonight.

1:25:23 One of the early activities that we’ll be doing

1:25:26 at Viera high school is to relocate the portables

1:25:29 that are onsite out of the way

1:25:32 so that they are actually ready to be used

1:25:33 for students in August.

1:25:35 So we’re trying to get those moved early.

1:25:38 So you will likely see an early works GMP in May.

1:25:42 You’ll probably see an early works construction contract

1:25:45 in July and probably the final GMP in September.

1:25:50 So our goal with this project is to open for students

1:25:53 in August of 2023 and this one is fully funded

1:25:56 with educational impact fees.

1:25:59 And this gives you kind of the concept rendering

1:26:04 of the different types of uses that will be in that building

1:26:08 including classroom science labs.

1:26:10 We have a blast program, CTE program and the choir room.

1:26:14 So really got a lot of great functions for our students

1:26:17 and we’re excited to be building something new

1:26:19 over at Viera high school.

1:26:24 The other project that we’re working on now

1:26:26 is a middle school in Viera.

1:26:28 And we are using the site adjacent to Viera high school

1:26:32 anticipating about 800 student stations

1:26:34 and we’re in the middle of the RF,

1:26:37 we’re farther along than the middle.

1:26:38 We’re towards the end of the RFQ process

1:26:40 for a prototype design.

1:26:42 We have a selection committee that has interviewed

1:26:47 different firms, they have gone on field trips

1:26:50 and you should see a recommendation for a prototype designer

1:26:55 with a prototype design

1:26:56 at your one of your board meetings in April.

1:26:58 So as soon as we conclude that process,

1:27:01 we will be getting started with design.

1:27:03 And then shortly thereafter anticipate going out

1:27:06 into the market for an RFQ for construction manager.

1:27:10 And the idea would be for the construction manager

1:27:14 and the designer to kind of work concurrently

1:27:16 so that we can take advantage of construction practices

1:27:19 that they might suggest that could save money

1:27:21 on the design side.

1:27:22 So we do wanna get a construction manager

1:27:24 on board relatively soon.

1:27:27 So the big question for the school board

1:27:29 is really the opening date

1:27:31 and the degree to which you may be comfortable

1:27:33 with doing some very short term construction financing.

1:27:35 And I’ll show you some slides in terms of the cashflow

1:27:38 of our impact fees and why that is important.

1:27:41 But I think there’s really two options.

1:27:43 One is to target opening in August of 2024.

1:27:48 The other is a pay as you go option

1:27:50 that would either be August 25 or 26,

1:27:53 depending on our revenue.

1:27:55 And just a final note about the middle school boundaries.

1:27:58 That’s going to be a process

1:28:01 that requires some extensive stakeholder engagement.

1:28:03 So be prepared that that’s going to be

1:28:06 a big public involvement, public engagement activity

1:28:12 on our part in facilities

1:28:13 in conjunction with leading and learning.

1:28:16 So that will be coming up as soon as we kind of move

1:28:19 a little farther down the line on the middle school project.

1:28:23 So this is the planning calendar

1:28:25 for the middle school project.

1:28:26 It shows you about where we are

1:28:28 and about where we’re heading.

1:28:30 And I would anticipate working

1:28:33 on the construction contract development

1:28:35 starting in the summer and moving through the fall.

1:28:40 And these are not hard and fast dates

1:28:42 as you get down towards the bottom,

1:28:44 but it gives you a sense of about

1:28:46 when we would be ready to contract for construction.

1:28:50 Right now, our estimate for construction is about 40 million.

1:28:54 That number could be all over the place.

1:28:57 Our costs for some of our more recent projects

1:29:01 are going up higher than one would have thought.

1:29:05 So that number is variable,

1:29:08 but it gives you kind of a ballpark range

1:29:11 of where we think we might be.

1:29:14 So if you look at our impact fee cash flow,

1:29:17 you can see that the pink shading

1:29:18 is kind of about the same timeframe

1:29:21 as to when we would ideally start

1:29:23 doing construction contract

1:29:25 with an opening date of August 24 in mind.

1:29:29 With that, we would need to settle on short-term financing

1:29:33 sometime late this summer, early fall type of a timeframe.

1:29:38 And our estimate, as you can see,

1:29:41 our cash flow is gonna be in the range

1:29:44 of we’ll need about 20 million.

1:29:46 As we’re starting with 23 million and change today,

1:29:51 we would subtract whatever our costs are

1:29:54 on the Viera High School edition,

1:29:56 and then whatever balance is left,

1:29:59 we would continue then to accrue impact fees every quarter.

1:30:05 We have been allocating about three million per quarter.

1:30:08 That’s about three million out of four

1:30:11 in the South District.

1:30:13 The other million has been allocated

1:30:15 to either South Elementary capacity

1:30:17 or South Elementary schools,

1:30:19 so that we’re kind of making sure

1:30:20 that other areas of the South District

1:30:23 are also getting some impact fee dollars.

1:30:26 So if you look at a $40 million target for the project,

1:30:31 you can see that the pay-as-you-go option

1:30:34 puts you kind of in the range of not starting construction

1:30:37 until spring or summer of 24.

1:30:41 So depending on how that cash flow actually works

1:30:44 and how the construction costs increase over time,

1:30:50 it’s difficult to predict whether we would be able

1:30:52 to make it for 25 or whether it would be 26

1:30:55 before we had the cash needed to do this

1:30:57 on a pay-as-you-go basis.

1:31:00 So the options are basically short-term financing

1:31:04 about 20 million, opening in August of 24.

1:31:08 The benefits are that it avoids

1:31:10 construction escalation costs,

1:31:12 and of course we open the school at least one year sooner.

1:31:16 The relatively small short-term financing

1:31:19 are impact fee revenues, assuming they continue

1:31:22 on the path that they have been on over the past few years.

1:31:26 We should be able to pay that off in five years,

1:31:29 and depending on our payback framework,

1:31:33 potentially even sooner.

1:31:35 The pay-as-you-go option, as I said,

1:31:36 we would be opening in August 25 or 26.

1:31:40 Unpredictable as to what our construction cost escalation

1:31:43 might be.

1:31:44 There are short-term financing option impact,

1:31:48 interest costs about a million and change.

1:31:51 Obviously no interest costs on pay-as-you-go,

1:31:54 but you’re offsetting that

1:31:55 with the construction cost escalation.

1:31:57 So this is an area where we would like some guidance

1:32:00 from the board so that we can plan our path appropriately.

1:32:06 So Ms. Belford, if you’d like to talk about that now,

1:32:09 or if you’d like me to finish the presentation,

1:32:11 either way, I would appreciate some guidance from the board.

1:32:17 - Board members, you guys, anyone?

1:32:20 I have one just clarifying question for you, Ms. Han.

1:32:23 On the, if we were to finance,

1:32:28 the impact fees could be used,

1:32:31 the future impact fees could be used

1:32:32 to pay both principal and interest on that, right?

1:32:34 So we wouldn’t have to be taking out of capital

1:32:36 or operating to pay the actual debt amount, correct?

1:32:40 - Correct.

1:32:41 The intention is to fully fund this project

1:32:43 with educational impact fees.

1:32:46 - Thank you.

1:32:50 Ms. Campbell, are you going?

1:32:51 - Yeah.

1:32:52 So if I’m, thank you for all this and laying it out,

1:32:56 and I know, I appreciate it very much,

1:32:59 the meeting we were able to have individually last week

1:33:01 with board associates who this is their area of expertise,

1:33:04 right, the options when it comes to do we borrow,

1:33:08 do we not borrow?

1:33:10 It looks like from the cash flow estimate

1:33:13 that we would have received,

1:33:20 the conservative estimate by July of 2024,

1:33:23 the amount that you’re estimating we would need

1:33:25 to build the middle school, right?

1:33:27 But with, so just to clarify,

1:33:28 so with the, if we did pay as you go,

1:33:31 we couldn’t start construction until that point.

1:33:33 - Correct.

1:33:34 - If we, so, but if we took out short-term financing, right,

1:33:39 and not the kind of financing that we’re,

1:33:41 you know, when I got on the board,

1:33:42 we had $400 million of debt,

1:33:44 and every time I think about it,

1:33:45 we still have 300 and whatever,

1:33:47 it makes me kind of nauseous.

1:33:49 So the idea of adding to that also makes me nauseous.

1:33:53 But if we’re looking at it like this,

1:33:55 or we’re just talking about a few years,

1:33:56 I think they mentioned a five-year loan

1:33:59 or something like that,

1:34:00 we actually would have the ability to pay it off

1:34:03 before the term was over.

1:34:04 So I know one of the questions,

1:34:06 so when I had my conversations with board associates,

1:34:08 they said most lenders don’t want to do anything shorter.

1:34:11 They want at least to be three years,

1:34:12 and that’s pretty standard.

1:34:13 But my personal financial philosophy

1:34:16 and the philosophy that I would encourage our organization

1:34:19 is to borrow as little as possible

1:34:20 and to pay it off just as fast as possible.

1:34:23 And so for me, I don’t know if the rest of the board

1:34:26 would agree that we would just borrow that,

1:34:28 you said $20 million, it looks like it would be max,

1:34:32 and that we look for a vendor

1:34:35 that’s not going to charge us fees,

1:34:39 a penalty for early payoff within reason, right?

1:34:43 I think they said three years was reasonable,

1:34:44 but that that’s part of our,

1:34:46 when we’re looking for who do we want to go with,

1:34:49 and I don’t remember RFP, RFQ,

1:34:51 which letters go with that one,

1:34:52 but that we find someone

1:34:54 who will not give us that penalty for early payoff

1:34:57 because it looks like we’re going to have the funding

1:34:58 within just a couple of years.

1:35:03 - Ms. Jenkins, did you want to speak?

1:35:04 - Yeah.

1:35:09 I don’t want to put words in your mouth,

1:35:11 but it sounds like as long as that’s an option,

1:35:13 you’re kind of leaning towards doing it sooner.

1:35:17 That’s where I totally fall as well,

1:35:19 doing it sooner than later.

1:35:21 If we could do it next year,

1:35:22 I would totally love that as well.

1:35:25 I think Mr. Susan would probably enjoy

1:35:26 not getting those phone calls and emails and conversations

1:35:29 about a middle school being wanted in Vera anymore.

1:35:32 And so I fully support that.

1:35:35 I think it’s also important for anyone who’s watching

1:35:37 to understand, obviously it’s risky

1:35:39 to take out any more debt,

1:35:41 but the interest rates are so incredibly low.

1:35:44 Of course, it would be presented to us when that time comes,

1:35:46 but it is pretty minuscule in the grand scheme.

1:35:51 So I think it’s best to move quickly.

1:35:56 - Ms. Han, could you, if you are comfortable doing so,

1:35:59 could you speak to the cost per student station issue?

1:36:03 Because I think that’s important

1:36:04 for people to be aware of as well.

1:36:08 Do you want me to?

1:36:10 - I think I can.

1:36:11 Let me start because it’s somewhat of a rabbit hole.

1:36:17 But I will start by saying that the state legislature

1:36:21 requires school districts to build school facilities

1:36:27 within a cost parameter that has been established

1:36:32 at the state level for certain funding sources.

1:36:36 And that cost per student station number for high schools

1:36:41 around this time is around $27,000 per student station.

1:36:49 We’re looking at about 120,000 square feet.

1:36:54 And if you just use 30,000 as a kind of a round number

1:36:57 that lands you at about 36 million,

1:37:01 I think it is probably underestimated

1:37:05 by a wide margin, especially since construction costs

1:37:08 have changed so dramatically in the last couple of years.

1:37:12 So that parameter applies to certain types of funding

1:37:18 but does not apply to educational impact fees,

1:37:21 nor does it apply to certificates of participation,

1:37:25 which would be the vehicle

1:37:27 by which we do this short-term financing

1:37:30 in terms of at least the recommendation

1:37:32 from Ford and Associates.

1:37:34 So it is always our goal to build efficiently

1:37:39 and effectively at the lowest possible cost,

1:37:41 but we also want to deliver a good school for our students.

1:37:45 And I think, honestly, we have been dealing with the results

1:37:50 of doing things cheaply now when we’re,

1:37:56 15, 20, 30 years later, you can see what happens

1:38:00 when you do not invest appropriately in your facilities.

1:38:04 And so I would not advocate for cheap.

1:38:07 I would advocate for best value.

1:38:10 And we, I believe, are better off not being as constrained

1:38:15 by the cost per student station

1:38:17 as the legislature has required for using LCI primarily

1:38:24 or any other state funding sources.

1:38:26 State revenue sources are subject to that.

1:38:29 Our local revenue sources are not.

1:38:32 And I think we can kind of thread the needle

1:38:35 with this project and others that we are doing.

1:38:38 We’re respectful of the concept

1:38:41 behind the cost per student station.

1:38:43 That makes sense, but it is very difficult

1:38:46 to have a one-size-fits-all philosophy

1:38:48 in terms of costs throughout the state of Florida.

1:38:51 It is widely different costs in the state of Florida

1:38:56 in terms of timing, a lot of differences there.

1:38:59 So I think the short answer, respectful of the concept,

1:39:03 but using educational impact fees,

1:39:05 we are not bound by statute to comply

1:39:09 with the cost per student station.

1:39:11 - And the other, and correct me if I’m wrong from this hand,

1:39:14 I don’t wanna put words in anyone’s mouth,

1:39:16 but my understanding from that meeting was

1:39:19 if we say we utilize partial impact fees and partial LCI,

1:39:29 thinking that we could stay

1:39:30 within the student station requirement,

1:39:32 and by the time we get to project completion,

1:39:35 we have exceeded the student station,

1:39:38 cost per student station costs,

1:39:41 we would then be subject to penalty

1:39:45 because we used LCI and not impact fees and COPs.

1:39:50 - I believe sort of is the answer to that.

1:39:52 So if we have a mix of funding,

1:39:55 so let’s say out of the 40 million,

1:39:58 say 10 million is LCI for talking purposes.

1:40:01 The portion that we fund with the 10 million

1:40:04 has to be in compliance

1:40:05 with the student station requirement.

1:40:08 The 30 million does not.

1:40:10 So a hybrid project, we would,

1:40:13 I’m quite sure be able to meet

1:40:14 the cost per student station requirements

1:40:17 as they are framed in the statutes.

1:40:20 - But if we started assuming that we could meet

1:40:24 cost per student station,

1:40:26 and we saw increases in our cost and went over,

1:40:30 we would be subject to undefined consequences, right?

1:40:34 - Yes, except that as long as we are paying

1:40:38 for the majority of it with educational impact fees,

1:40:42 we would not be.

1:40:42 But if we have, say the overage was a couple million,

1:40:47 that would have to be in compliance

1:40:49 with the cost per student station,

1:40:50 whatever we’re using LCI dollars for.

1:40:53 Am I making sense?

1:40:54 - Yeah.

1:40:56 - Yeah, I think that’s just an important point to understand

1:40:58 is the risk involved in trying to meet that

1:41:03 for multiple perspectives.

1:41:05 - Yeah, and I honestly, I think it is entirely likely

1:41:09 that the cost will be above the cost per student station,

1:41:13 given where the construction market is today.

1:41:15 So we will look at that very closely

1:41:17 as we enter into any financing arrangement,

1:41:20 and certainly would disclose that

1:41:22 as we’re bringing that to the board.

1:41:25 - Thank you.

1:41:27 Anyone else, Mr. Susan?

1:41:28 - Sure, so when you look at this board,

1:41:33 the need to build a little bit faster is on multiple fronts.

1:41:37 So the first one is ABC,

1:41:40 who I was speaking at their event the other night,

1:41:43 Central Florida chapter, which is our chapter,

1:41:45 saw the highest increase in construction costs in 50 years.

1:41:48 50 years.

1:41:50 Right now, by the projections that they had,

1:41:52 this newsletter did, I did the math,

1:41:55 this project is costing an increase if it continues,

1:41:59 which that spike is not gonna increase and continue,

1:42:02 but with the increase is almost $31,000 a day

1:42:06 of increased cost that we would see

1:42:09 if we were to wait another two years.

1:42:11 And that’s compounding, right?

1:42:13 So it’s 31, then 31.5, then 31.

1:42:16 So you just talk about the amount of investment premium,

1:42:22 you know what I mean, an interest,

1:42:23 compared to the cost, flat, that’s it.

1:42:26 The other thing is is that we’ll see an increase,

1:42:28 because I know my area,

1:42:30 many of my parents that are inside this area,

1:42:32 home school or charter school,

1:42:34 they’re children to keep them here.

1:42:35 And I’ll explain why is because a parent,

1:42:38 a lot of the parents are stay-at-home moms

1:42:40 and family members here, or they work,

1:42:43 and it’s very difficult for them to have a child

1:42:46 that gets out of high school at 3.30 here,

1:42:50 and then a child that gets out of a middle school

1:42:54 on the other side two causeways away at 4.30.

1:42:57 So they keep them here.

1:42:58 I promise you that there would be an increase of FTE

1:43:01 in words of about four to $5 million per year

1:43:05 because of the amount of students

1:43:06 that not only would now attend the middle school,

1:43:09 but many of the elementary school students

1:43:11 who are inside of charters to keep that charter seat

1:43:15 as they move up in the charter

1:43:17 will now enter into all of our Viera elementary schools.

1:43:22 So there’ll be an increase.

1:43:23 So you’re talking about not only the,

1:43:25 avoiding the increase in cost of construction,

1:43:28 not only avoiding the increase of FTE,

1:43:32 but there’s one other piece,

1:43:34 is that when we did these rough estimates last time

1:43:37 with RV Creach years ago,

1:43:39 in order to take 11 buses, run them as different,

1:43:43 the distance that we are doing over two causeways

1:43:46 all the way to Delora and back,

1:43:48 it was inwards of close to four to $420,000

1:43:52 if we remember in fuel and everything else.

1:43:54 With fuel increasing,

1:43:55 that becomes another cost that we would be saving.

1:43:58 Now, to her credit, Ms. Han was explaining to me

1:44:03 that you’re still gonna need buses.

1:44:05 It’s not like you’re gonna get away from that,

1:44:07 but you could reduce that probably I’d argue in half

1:44:10 because of the travel that they’re going over.

1:44:12 The other thing for you,

1:44:14 and you alluded to this, Ms. Jenkins,

1:44:18 there’s a lot of students,

1:44:19 now I grew up in the country in Jupiter Farms, right?

1:44:21 So when I got on a bus every morning,

1:44:23 I knew that I had to go six to eight to 10 miles

1:44:25 depending on the route that year.

1:44:27 And that’s not a big deal and it would take me 40 minutes,

1:44:29 but we lived in the farms, we knew who we were.

1:44:32 The thing is is that a lot of the students that are here

1:44:35 have to get on the bus and travel 45 minutes to an hour

1:44:39 just to get to school, 45 minutes an hour to get back.

1:44:42 It starts inhibiting a lot of the cost from your sports

1:44:45 and everything else.

1:44:46 So a lot of families have decided

1:44:48 that instead of putting their child on that bus

1:44:49 and putting them through that,

1:44:50 that they would rather them stay home or stay in charters.

1:44:53 So I wanted you guys to understand the political,

1:44:56 the social, the economical impacts

1:44:58 of what the choices that we were gonna make.

1:45:01 So I think that it makes complete sense

1:45:03 to move forward early as possible.

1:45:05 The one thing that I was gonna ask is while we’re going out,

1:45:10 because there’s a group of you that are,

1:45:12 I mean, we have enough support

1:45:13 to move towards the financing piece.

1:45:15 If I could look at what it would take,

1:45:17 and this is just an exercise for me,

1:45:19 to use our reserves to fund the gap

1:45:22 rather than to get into a financing situation.

1:45:25 We have a high reserve number.

1:45:27 I would just love to look at it

1:45:28 and sit with finance team and go over that, that’s all.

1:45:31 So I say that we give direction,

1:45:32 but if there’s an event that we can use those reserves

1:45:35 to fund the gap, that we could possibly come up with that

1:45:38 before we sign any contracts with any finances.

1:45:41 And it can probably be done within three, four days.

1:45:45 That’s all.

1:45:48 - About the three or four days,

1:45:49 considering that Ms. Lister–

1:45:50 - It’s a 30,000-foot view.

1:45:52 I mean, we have X amount in there, projected.

1:45:55 Is it possible?

1:45:56 Can you take reserves–

1:45:58 - I mean, I’d love to do it with that at all, but I–

1:46:00 - Yeah, just an example, just an exercise.

1:46:06 I mean, is everybody on the same time at least?

1:46:10 Do you see it off early?

1:46:13 - Absolutely, I feel like, too, Ms. Campbell,

1:46:16 I’d like to see it off early whenever we can.

1:46:20 And I also agree with you, Mr. Simpson,

1:46:22 that we really need to move forward.

1:46:24 This area needs a middle school that has for a while.

1:46:27 So I’m certainly focusing on the short-term financing also.

1:46:35 - Yes, so I think we’re all on the same page.

1:46:37 The only other thing that I would add is,

1:46:39 we talked a lot in our operating budget

1:46:41 about being competitive.

1:46:43 And I think this is part of that as well,

1:46:45 is making sure that we’re providing those opportunities

1:46:47 for the families.

1:46:48 So I think it makes sense.

1:46:50 And with you, Ms. Campbell, the less we have to finance,

1:46:54 the sooner we can pay it off, the better.

1:46:55 But I think we as a board have been very diligent

1:47:00 about not taking on any new debt

1:47:03 and paying down those debt dollars for a long time.

1:47:05 And I still think that’s the right way to go.

1:47:07 I think we’ve made the right choices,

1:47:09 but I think we’re getting to a point where,

1:47:12 sometimes we have to weigh our ability

1:47:14 to truly continue to serve our families.

1:47:17 So I’m on board.

1:47:25 - So I’m just gonna talk real briefly

1:47:26 about some of the projects we have under development.

1:47:29 One is a classroom addition

1:47:31 at West Melbourne School of Science.

1:47:32 And this is an interesting one.

1:47:35 There’s a demand, obviously, for seats at this facility.

1:47:39 And we’re trying to figure out

1:47:40 if we have a place to put them.

1:47:42 The site is pretty constrained.

1:47:44 So that’s our current exercise.

1:47:47 And looking at, rather than just putting

1:47:50 in a classroom addition building,

1:47:52 if we do that, maybe a better approach

1:47:54 is to try to rearrange some of the space within the building

1:47:57 and change what the addition piece would be

1:48:00 versus instead of just classrooms.

1:48:02 So it’s a work in progress,

1:48:04 but we definitely see a need there.

1:48:06 And working with our elementary leading and learning folks,

1:48:09 that that is a demand.

1:48:11 And I feel like that would be a good investment.

1:48:14 And so we’re gonna try to figure out how to make that happen

1:48:16 which is still a work in progress.

1:48:18 You will see that

1:48:19 in the upcoming student accommodation plan as well.

1:48:23 - Ms. Hand, you might be able to talk

1:48:24 to West Melbourne City Council

1:48:25 about taking up some of Bryant Adams Park over there,

1:48:28 just moving in there.

1:48:29 They don’t have as many people attend their school,

1:48:31 their meetings as we do here.

1:48:33 We may be able to take that back row

1:48:35 and add a little bit of land over there

1:48:37 just to give you a heads up.

1:48:39 (laughing)

1:48:44 - Might need some help with that conversation.

1:48:46 (laughing)

1:48:48 So we’re also excited to work with our CTE friends

1:48:52 on a project at Cocoa Beach,

1:48:55 looking at doing an aquaculture program

1:48:57 in cooperation with the Brevard Zoo.

1:48:58 And we don’t know what that looks like yet

1:49:00 or whether it’s due to the stations or not,

1:49:02 but we’re gonna be meeting on site coming up here shortly

1:49:05 and trying to figure out what that actually is.

1:49:08 But I think it’s needed in this county.

1:49:11 It’s very germane to the issues of Brevard County

1:49:14 and just excited to be a part of something

1:49:16 that probably is pretty rare in the state of Florida.

1:49:19 - So one of the, just to let you know,

1:49:21 and this would be my two cents here,

1:49:24 and I know this is not my area, Ms. McDougall.

1:49:28 There is a strong, strong need on our economic,

1:49:32 I sit on the executive board of directors

1:49:34 for the Economic Development Council.

1:49:36 And they are looking at the wastewater of our lagoon, right?

1:49:40 And across from top to bottom,

1:49:43 the need for like Kennedy Space Center

1:49:46 just basically said, oh, we’re not worried about it,

1:49:47 you guys deal with it.

1:49:48 So like we’re having to deal with

1:49:51 what the infrastructure and growth of Kennedy Space Center

1:49:53 with wastewater in the north would be and everything else.

1:49:56 I would love to have a component of this

1:49:58 work with the EDC on those special pieces

1:50:01 since it’s aquaculture and it’s dealing with that.

1:50:03 I would, that would just be my two cents

1:50:04 to try to put out there for anybody who’s listening.

1:50:06 And you would get a lot of supporting funding

1:50:09 for the project because of the area that that would be in.

1:50:15 - Thank you.

1:50:16 And then we’re also still looking at Myla.

1:50:19 Building nine is at the old pool

1:50:21 and we’re kind of deciding whether we do something

1:50:24 with that building or whether we’re better off building

1:50:26 a classroom addition there.

1:50:27 So that’s another one that we’re evaluating

1:50:30 what the proper approach would be.

1:50:32 Yes, ma’am.

1:50:34 - So are you saying they did the pool?

1:50:38 Possibly, is that one of the options

1:50:39 or best effective was the best way?

1:50:42 ‘Cause I know that is,

1:50:44 you’ve got a great, it’s for our special needs.

1:50:48 There’s an amazing program for them

1:50:50 and I would hate to lose it all together.

1:50:52 But I understand costs.

1:50:55 - So we’re not, as far as I know, we’re not using the pool.

1:50:59 - I know.

1:50:59 - And we would like to work with the school

1:51:04 to develop better facilities

1:51:06 to serve the special needs students.

1:51:09 That was really my takeaway when I toured building nine

1:51:11 that the facility does not serve those students very well

1:51:17 and we should do better.

1:51:19 So ideally, that might be where we go in a sort

1:51:23 of a new classroom addition building is one

1:51:25 that is more targeted towards serving

1:51:29 the special needs students.

1:51:31 So that’s kind of exactly what we’re debating.

1:51:34 - Okay, thank you.

1:51:35 - Now, Bockmar had a pool in a room for the same purposes

1:51:41 and I think it was actually having some leaking issues.

1:51:46 So they filled it in, covered it.

1:51:47 You can still see that line of the pool in the room,

1:51:49 but they use that space as an ESC PE,

1:51:54 like the physical therapist come in there

1:51:56 and occupation and do, that’s kind of their own PE area.

1:51:59 And so they’ve definitely used it,

1:52:01 put it to good use for the program.

1:52:03 - Yeah, it’s a great room at Bockmar.

1:52:05 So that was a really cool project.

1:52:07 We’re just not sure of the quality

1:52:09 of the rest of the building.

1:52:11 - Yeah, I know.

1:52:11 - So those are kind of some of the issues

1:52:16 we’re debating before we move forward.

1:52:18 - Thank you.

1:52:19 - The transportation project,

1:52:20 I just wanted to give you an update on where we are.

1:52:23 We have our real estate agent engaged.

1:52:25 We’re looking at four sites and hopefully get

1:52:28 into doing some due diligence relatively soon

1:52:31 on those sites ‘cause we need to move forward on this.

1:52:34 And it’s been a little bit of a challenge trying

1:52:36 to find a site that has the appropriate infrastructure

1:52:39 to support what we’d like to do.

1:52:40 So that’s really the gateway to getting this done.

1:52:46 This is just a graphic that I think you saw

1:52:48 at our last presentation that kind of outlines

1:52:50 how we would use the site.

1:52:53 The transportation project funding talked about some

1:52:56 of these things last time,

1:52:57 that we do have some sales tax revenues

1:52:59 that are reserved for transportation projects.

1:53:02 We did talk to the ICOC and they suggested

1:53:04 that we just table that conversation

1:53:06 until we know exactly what we need.

1:53:07 And we agreed that we would do that.

1:53:10 We have property sales revenues that have been designated

1:53:13 for the project and we’ll see where it goes.

1:53:16 But I feel pretty confident that the math is gonna work.

1:53:19 We just need to get that site selected

1:53:21 so we can move forward.

1:53:23 On the property sales side of things,

1:53:26 we have sold the Neiman Heights property.

1:53:28 We’ve sold the Sullivan Groves property

1:53:31 and anticipate closing this month.

1:53:33 Whispering Hills is under contract

1:53:35 and looking to close that in July,

1:53:37 assuming the due diligence period works out.

1:53:39 And Pineapple Avenue is on hold depending

1:53:42 on what we do with transportation.

1:53:44 But we’ve been moving slowly but deliberately

1:53:48 through the property sales project.

1:53:51 Just wanted to put this slide back up here.

1:53:53 This was kind of a concept of what we were doing last year

1:53:58 when I talked about this.

1:53:59 And we have largely implemented these

1:54:01 or are in the process of implementing

1:54:04 the programs for student services.

1:54:06 So we have a great program at Meridaun High School.

1:54:10 And that really has caused us to think differently

1:54:13 about our portables, which is why you see

1:54:15 some portable renovation in the capital plan.

1:54:18 So we were out at Meridaun Island

1:54:20 and talking with the principal and the assistant principal

1:54:23 and they’re like, “Can we paint the portable?”

1:54:26 I guess.

1:54:27 “Can we paint the portable with school colors?”

1:54:30 Well, we’ve never done that before.

1:54:32 And by the time we got done with that walk,

1:54:33 we’re like, “You know, let’s give it a try.”

1:54:37 And they painted it with school colors.

1:54:39 And it looks amazing.

1:54:41 So it sort of turned our thinking on its head.

1:54:44 Like, why don’t we do that everywhere?

1:54:46 And so instead of having this nicely painted school,

1:54:49 everything looks great, and these decrepit portables,

1:54:52 why don’t we consider portables as integrated

1:54:55 with the campus and start to upgrade them,

1:54:59 paint them, rehab them, drag them off if they’re drunk,

1:55:02 and paint them to be integrated with the schools.

1:55:05 So we’re sticking our toe in the water.

1:55:07 Like, it’s not gonna all get done tomorrow,

1:55:09 but as we work on these campuses,

1:55:12 I feel like this is another step to making our school campus

1:55:17 more inviting and more inspirational

1:55:20 for our kids and our teachers.

1:55:21 So that was a great move for Meridaun Island

1:55:24 and really helped us see things differently.

1:55:27 The other thing that I just wanted to mention

1:55:29 is we’re doing a hardcore improvement at the South ALC

1:55:32 that will be done this summer.

1:55:33 So I know we’ve been chatting about that for a while

1:55:36 and we’ve got it, there’s a purchase order

1:55:39 coming out of the printer as we speak.

1:55:41 So I’m excited that we’re ready to go with that.

1:55:44 - I think Mullins and I are gonna go do three on three

1:55:46 with the kids and see what they got.

1:55:47 - Can I go too?

1:55:48 - Yeah, come on in.

1:55:50 I mean, that has been, honestly,

1:55:51 that is one of the things that you look at

1:55:53 and you’re like, there’s such an impact

1:55:55 that small things can do, and that’s one of them.

1:55:57 The other thing I wanted to bring up to everybody

1:55:59 is just so you know, we are doing the trades tour.

1:56:02 I haven’t really talked to Mullins about this yet,

1:56:03 so he’s gonna go into heart palpitations.

1:56:05 But you know, the other part of the trades

1:56:08 is that we have students with disabilities

1:56:10 that are part of our BLAST programs,

1:56:12 and we should really be focusing on transitioning them

1:56:14 into the workplace.

1:56:16 We have great teachers that are doing it,

1:56:17 great people here, I mean, a salt of the earth,

1:56:20 but I think we could help.

1:56:22 And one of the areas that I think we could do it in

1:56:24 is in federal contracts, you’re supposed to set 7% set aside

1:56:28 for students or people or workers with disabilities.

1:56:32 Right now, if you audited our space industry,

1:56:34 they would not be able to make that.

1:56:36 So I say we call them out, we say, hey, look,

1:56:39 to avoid an audit, hire our kids,

1:56:41 and then we have them working inside the space industry.

1:56:43 That’s where I’m gonna go next, so that you guys know.

1:56:45 - He’s turning purple down there.

1:56:46 - Oh, yes, but it’s okay, it’s okay.

1:56:49 We said we’re doing the trades tour,

1:56:51 this is part of the jobs tour.

1:56:53 - I’m not surprised by anything.

1:56:54 (all laughing)

1:56:56 - But that’s all.

1:56:57 So those BLAST programs are very, very intricate to that.

1:57:00 Thank you.

1:57:02 - And just to let you know what’s coming your way,

1:57:04 you have been seeing, and you will continue to see,

1:57:06 numerous design contracts and construction contracts

1:57:09 for gearing up for summer construction,

1:57:10 as well as these big projects.

1:57:12 So all of that’s heading your way.

1:57:14 The student accommodation plan will be on your agenda

1:57:17 on April the 12th.

1:57:19 The capital plan, Ms. Lisinski went through that.

1:57:22 Also, you’ll probably see in the budget

1:57:25 the update for the educational plant survey.

1:57:28 So that is coming as well.

1:57:30 We have to have that done by June of ‘23.

1:57:34 Talked about short-term financing for the middle school

1:57:36 and then property acquisition for transportation.

1:57:38 So these are all things that will be hitting your agenda

1:57:41 as we go forward.

1:57:42 Few other updates.

1:57:45 Mowing, I’m excited to get through the board meeting tonight

1:57:48 where we have a contract for mowing that the money

1:57:52 is budgeted and we will start mowing, I hope, on Wednesday.

1:57:58 Like we’re super excited about that.

1:58:00 And we’re going to replicate that in our budget request

1:58:03 for next year so you’ll see that in the facilities budget.

1:58:07 The Space Coast Stadium bleachers,

1:58:08 I just wanted to bring this up

1:58:10 because it’s kind of a big deal.

1:58:12 We do contract every year for a review,

1:58:15 safety review of our bleachers and stadium seating.

1:58:18 At Space Coast Stadium, our engineer recommended

1:58:21 some fairly major rehab needed to be done

1:58:24 and we started to take a look at that

1:58:26 and found that repair versus new,

1:58:30 really not that much of a cost differential.

1:58:33 So the rough order of magnitude was like 1.3 million

1:58:37 for rehabbing old bleachers or 1.6 million

1:58:40 for new bleachers.

1:58:41 So we’re kind of moving in the direction of new bleachers.

1:58:45 We’re gonna be talking with the Citizens Oversight Committee

1:58:48 in April about potentially funding that

1:58:50 through our sales tax revenues that are over

1:58:52 the programming level that we initially put forward.

1:58:56 But that will be coming to you as a contract,

1:58:59 most likely in April to get that under construction.

1:59:04 And hopefully we can work with the Citizens Oversight

1:59:07 Committee that they will recommend the use of sales tax.

1:59:10 That is why that is not in the capital plan,

1:59:13 thinking that we would be funding that with surtax.

1:59:16 But either way, we’ve got to do something out there.

1:59:18 So I just want to put that on your radar.

1:59:21 We talked about construction volatility.

1:59:25 The surtax revenue, we have had really extraordinary

1:59:29 revenues, had some record months.

1:59:32 So that is giving us some flexibility to cover extra costs

1:59:37 and/or to add projects.

1:59:39 All of that goes through our Citizens Oversight Committee.

1:59:42 You see on your board agenda, typically in the write-up

1:59:44 says this is or has been or is going to be reviewed

1:59:48 by the Citizens Oversight Committee.

1:59:50 So when we’re making those changes,

1:59:51 we typically do run those through our ICOC.

1:59:54 And then I’ll talk a little bit about our data-driven

1:59:57 approach to capital planning.

1:59:59 So I just wanted to show this slide.

2:00:00 This is an excerpt of our sales tax revenue through February.

2:00:05 And you can see that over what is essentially

2:00:09 the first year of the program, we’re about $13 million

2:00:12 over the estimate on which the program was built,

2:00:16 which was admittedly a conservative estimate

2:00:19 for a reason so that we didn’t overcommit

2:00:22 what we were going to do with our resources.

2:00:26 But it’s really been a good thing for BPS.

2:00:29 The charters do get a share of that.

2:00:31 So the net revenue to BPS has been about $12 million.

2:00:34 And we’re investing that in great places.

2:00:36 You saw some of it go to a big security project.

2:00:40 You’ve seen it go into some of our track projects.

2:00:43 And it’s really been good for Brevard.

2:00:47 So that hopefully is going to continue.

2:00:51 And then just to wrap up, we have really

2:00:53 transitioned in facilities.

2:00:55 And I’m super proud of my team, especially our folks

2:00:57 in the maintenance end of things.

2:00:59 We do have a new work order system

2:01:01 that we’ve recently implemented.

2:01:03 And by recently, I mean about a month and a half or so.

2:01:06 That’s going to give us really good data

2:01:09 on what’s happening in specific locations

2:01:12 and to specific assets.

2:01:14 So we will be able to tell if we have a problem air

2:01:16 handler or a problem chiller or a problem something that

2:01:20 needs to be addressed.

2:01:22 We will also be able to develop preventative maintenance

2:01:26 schedules.

2:01:26 So Mr. Ross, our maintenance director,

2:01:28 is inputting preventative maintenance schedules

2:01:31 for all of our major assets.

2:01:33 So as we’re putting new stuff in,

2:01:34 we’re actually planning to maintain our new stuff, which

2:01:37 is something we’ve not been able to do.

2:01:40 I think we have wanted to do that for a while.

2:01:42 But we’re finally getting to a place

2:01:44 where we feel like we can start moving in that direction.

2:01:49 We also have built our capital plan based on a lot of data.

2:01:53 And you saw some different things in the capital plan.

2:01:56 And that was based on the assessment of all

2:01:58 of these things that are on the list,

2:02:00 so things like student restrooms, marquee signs,

2:02:03 like we know which schools have them, which schools don’t.

2:02:06 And we’re actually trying to invest capital resources

2:02:09 in areas that have shown, based on our assessments, that

2:02:13 need that investment.

2:02:14 And then one of the things I’m really excited about

2:02:16 is our playgrounds.

2:02:18 Our sales tax program is investing

2:02:21 in replacing old, horrible playgrounds.

2:02:24 But in the capital plan, we have married that

2:02:26 with something that is an alternative to mulch.

2:02:30 That’s basically these rubberized tiles,

2:02:33 for lack of a better word.

2:02:34 They’re safer.

2:02:35 They’re lower maintenance.

2:02:37 So our custodial teams at the schools

2:02:39 don’t have to be out raking mulch like they’re

2:02:41 supposed to be doing every day.

2:02:43 It’s going to save us money in mulch, save us money in time,

2:02:46 allow our school-based personnel to do what they’re supposed

2:02:48 to do and not be raking mulch.

2:02:51 And it’s going to look cleaner, and it’s going to be safer.

2:02:54 So our first project is going to be at Endeavor Elementary,

2:02:58 and we’ll be starting that probably

2:02:59 in the next couple of weeks.

2:03:01 So we issued our first PO to give it a try

2:03:03 and just make sure it’s what we want to do before we

2:03:05 dive in wholeheartedly.

2:03:06 But I feel like that’s going to be a game changer for us

2:03:09 in the playground arena.

2:03:10 So super excited about it.

2:03:12 So just want to say appreciation to my team

2:03:15 for thinking outside the box and trying some new things.

2:03:18 And our partnership with the educational side of the house

2:03:21 has been extraordinary.

2:03:22 I feel very confident and proud that we are working together

2:03:25 to best serve our students.

2:03:28 And that’s really it.

2:03:31 Again, as Ms. Lisinski said, it’s

2:03:33 important that we’re all in alignment.

2:03:34 And I’m really proud to be part of this team.

2:03:36 We are all working together for the betterment of our students,

2:03:40 and we’re doing great things.

2:03:41 And we’re trying to implement some game-changing ideas.

2:03:45 And it’s really great to be here,

2:03:48 and I appreciate the opportunities

2:03:49 that you give me as the facilities person

2:03:52 to make those things happen.

2:03:53 So thank you very much.

2:03:55 And my closing quote is from Simon Sinek.

2:03:58 “Working hard for something we don’t care about

2:04:00 is called stress, but working hard for something we love

2:04:02 is called passion.”

2:04:04 And I think you see that with many, many, many

2:04:07 of your employees here at BPS.

2:04:09 Like, it’s tough, but it’s fun, and it’s rewarding,

2:04:12 and it’s a great place to be.

2:04:13 So I want to say thank you.

2:04:16 Thank you, Ms. Han.

2:04:17 And we are so appreciative of you and the work that you do.

2:04:19 And I tell board members all around the state all the time,

2:04:25 if they were to come and look at what’s

2:04:26 going on in Brevard County, they would be absolutely amazed

2:04:29 at the amount of alignment.

2:04:31 With our facilities has always kind of been

2:04:34 that other department that didn’t really

2:04:37 align with mission and strategic priorities.

2:04:40 And I think for most districts, it’s still that way.

2:04:43 But with your leadership, you really have transformed that.

2:04:46 Obviously, the entire cabinet working together

2:04:48 and Dr. Mullins’ leadership as well,

2:04:50 but I feel like your department is really unique in that you

2:04:54 are one of the few in the state, I would say,

2:04:56 that is truly integrated and aligned and focused

2:05:00 on serving our city.

2:05:03 Anyone else?

2:05:04 Yeah, Ms. Kimmel.

2:05:05 All right, just a couple of quick questions.

2:05:07 You talked about the mowing contract,

2:05:09 but I know we had purchased and had

2:05:11 a plan for the robotic mowers.

2:05:13 How is that going?

2:05:14 Is it successful?

2:05:15 It’s going great.

2:05:16 We have them five, they’re deployed, and we’re good.

2:05:19 I talked to Mr. Ross, like, do we need any more?

2:05:21 And he’s like, I think we’re good.

2:05:23 So we’re going to let that ride for a while.

2:05:24 I know it’s kind of unique.

2:05:25 It has to be a unique property for those to be able to work.

2:05:27 And then the other question that you talked about

2:05:29 when you were talking about the property sales,

2:05:31 that you’re not recommending any other at this time.

2:05:33 And I know we’ve got a plethora.

2:05:34 Some of them are not very big, and I

2:05:36 don’t think there’s any that we could build something on.

2:05:39 But about how many estimate do we have remaining?

2:05:45 So that’s a tough question to answer.

2:05:48 I can send you a list of what we have.

2:05:51 So we have everything from, like,

2:05:53 there’s this borrow pit in the middle of nowhere off of 192

2:05:57 that’s, I don’t know, half an acre or something like that.

2:06:00 There’s two acres in Cocoa, and there’s

2:06:03 50 acres of little teeny skinny lots

2:06:06 down in the county section of South Palm Bay.

2:06:10 So there’s all these, like, mishmash.

2:06:13 That’s not a very good word.

2:06:15 That’s a great word.

2:06:16 I love that word, mishmash.

2:06:18 So most of what we have left I would either

2:06:21 like to keep for potential school sites,

2:06:24 or it’s just little stuff that’s not worth engaging a realtor.

2:06:29 Thank you.

2:06:30 You sent it to us way, way back.

2:06:32 But when you get a chance to now rush,

2:06:33 would you send it to us again?

2:06:35 Sure.

2:06:37 Anybody else have questions for Sam?

2:06:40 I have one for you, Sue.

2:06:41 First of all, thank you for addressing the mowing.

2:06:45 I think as we’re going into this season,

2:06:48 you know, it’s obvious we’re going to need the assistance

2:06:50 there.

2:06:51 And I’m thrilled to hear when I was looking through the capital

2:06:53 budget and not seeing any more robotic vacuums or any–

2:06:57 or vacuums– robotic mowers or additional mowing equipment.

2:07:01 I was a little concerned.

2:07:02 So I’m glad that you had the opportunity to address that.

2:07:06 But really my burning question is, are we

2:07:07 bringing goats back this year?

2:07:09 I was going to say, there’s no goats in the presentation.

2:07:11 I know.

2:07:12 I was tempted to put a goat on a slide,

2:07:15 but that went badly for me last time.

2:07:19 So we are not using goats right now.

2:07:23 But looking around the district, there

2:07:26 are probably some spots where we could,

2:07:28 as areas get out of control.

2:07:30 But they’re really not good for tight mowing.

2:07:33 They’re good for messy retention ponds

2:07:35 that nobody can reach with equipment.

2:07:38 So nothing planned, but we do know they’re there.

2:07:43 All righty.

2:07:43 Thank you.

2:07:45 Anything else?

2:07:47 All right.

2:07:48 I believe then, if there is no further business,

2:07:50 that this meeting is adjourned.

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