2023-08-15 - School Board Work Session

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1:16:15 after this one so 5517 anti-harassment compliance officers

1:16:19 complaint and investigative procedures

1:16:21 is um this one it looks to me as i bring this up that this is a

1:16:26 large significant one with about

1:16:30 15 we’re we’re up to date though because this one neil updated

1:16:33 2021 we did a huge overhaul in 2022

1:16:36 with all the title 9 updates um and so this one it this one is

1:16:41 should be good to go

1:16:44 yeah i would i would just ask that yeah because it’s not inside

1:16:47 of the updated neola um as far

1:16:49 as the new policies and stuff like that i would just ask staff

1:16:52 to just hop at it and making sure

1:16:53 it’s okay um does anybody wish to add anything to it nope all

1:16:57 right hearing none then let’s move on

1:17:00 to 5517.01 which is bullying and harassment there is a new neola

1:17:05 policy that has been brought to us

1:17:08 today by mr gibbs thank you and if you look through there there’s

1:17:11 some verbiage changes

1:17:13 um creates and definitions and stuff like that are you guys okay

1:17:16 with handing this over to staff

1:17:19 and having them review it yep does anybody wish to add anything

1:17:22 to it um i think hang on i just

1:17:25 want to make sure this could be part of what uh we discussed at

1:17:28 our last board meeting when we

1:17:30 had the conversation around um hate speech and things of that

1:17:33 nature so i think we need to make

1:17:34 sure that that is incorporated in here uh to some degree i’m

1:17:37 just trying to scroll through the new

1:17:39 one just to make sure that yeah i i here or somewhere because

1:17:43 this one i remember when we

1:17:45 had those conversations about 5517 551701 we kind of did there

1:17:49 were several did the package

1:17:50 title nine the title nine law changes were pretty significant

1:17:54 and um it’s very prescriptive of what

1:17:58 needs to be done in each circumstance so there may be a place

1:18:00 for that i don’t know it may be here but

1:18:03 like i said this is a lot to do with here’s how you do the

1:18:05 investigations here here’s how many

1:18:07 days here’s what the victim can do here’s what the school has to

1:18:10 do in the meantime while

1:18:11 investigation is going on it’s all very laid out um as i recall

1:18:15 i mean we have in here uh i guess

1:18:17 when it goes through you know what it may involve it does say in

1:18:21 here racial harassment sexual

1:18:22 harassment religious harassment so harassment um so it’s not

1:18:26 technically called hate speech but

1:18:29 that was something that was brought to us before with with some

1:18:31 of our audience saying that they

1:18:32 would like us to make sure that we’re focusing on that so it you

1:18:35 know it’s called something different

1:18:36 but it is the same thing and i and while just so everybody

1:18:39 understands while we were up on the dais

1:18:41 um mr klein uh had come up to me in the last meeting and said

1:18:45 there’s a lot of state regulations

1:18:47 around that so i think that um by just basically implementing

1:18:50 what the state already has we’re

1:18:51 pretty much going to be in line with a lot of what we were

1:18:54 speaking about um i would say that if it’s

1:18:57 okay with everybody to bring the new neola pieces let them let

1:18:59 staff take a look at it and if there’s

1:19:01 any reviews if anybody wishes to add anything to it we’re good

1:19:05 yeah mr trent jenkins there’s campbell

1:19:08 okay all right moving on to 57. hang on just a second i gotta

1:19:14 make sure 55 hang on just a second

1:19:18 55 17.03 um yeah this was one of the ones that we did in that

1:19:26 same package the these three policies

1:19:29 all together okay and they they are up to date yep all right i

1:19:33 like when we find ones that we’ve

1:19:36 already done yeah that’s pretty easy i mean this is starting to

1:19:38 get pretty thin on this and we

1:19:39 might get done by four o’clock today uh no it’s not we never

1:19:45 that’s always a that’s always a

1:19:47 back end i believe you were the one who just said you had a one

1:19:50 o’clock meeting i do but i will i

1:19:51 will let you take over and you can keep oh you’re gonna we will

1:19:56 order lunch okay all right 55 20 um

1:20:00 this disruption of schools and school sponsored activities seems

1:20:04 that the most recent update is

1:20:06 pretty in line with what we have some statutory there’s an

1:20:10 addition of statutory law um this one’s

1:20:13 different it is it is it’s just kind of the same overview though

1:20:19 but it references a different

1:20:21 statute and it takes one of them away so well i’m just the

1:20:26 language is is different um i

1:20:30 and also there we need to have it this is one of those that we

1:20:33 need an

1:20:33 administrative procedure if we’re going to keep that language in

1:20:35 there um

1:20:39 there i’m wondering if those i think we need to send this back

1:20:43 out because um the language

1:20:47 that’s coming in those two statutes may completely change how we

1:20:50 have to address um disorder and

1:20:54 demonstration disruptions actually they have a completely

1:20:56 different title um

1:21:00 and this is when we need to link the student code of conduct too

1:21:02 as well so

1:21:06 yep and we have had several of these this one needs to be clear

1:21:13 crystal clear and in line with

1:21:14 statute because we have had several instances over the last few

1:21:17 years of student demonstrations

1:21:18 and i think our schools have handled it beautifully most of the

1:21:21 time they had a heads up

1:21:22 like a walk out or students were coming on the patio and they

1:21:24 handled it very well because we

1:21:27 don’t certainly want to create a more dangerous environment um

1:21:31 and in general they’ve allowed

1:21:33 students to you know as long as they weren’t you know hanging

1:21:37 off the rafters and throwing bottles

1:21:39 and stuff like that they just you know they were aware they had

1:21:41 people in place to keep an eye on

1:21:43 things but we need to make sure that we get this one right and

1:21:47 have it all clear and all things so

1:21:49 definitely want to send this one out all right everybody’s okay

1:21:54 with that moving on we move from

1:21:57 55 20 to 55 30 drug prevention let me check each one of the new

1:22:04 55 nope it’s not a new one updated

1:22:06 let me go to our old one 55 30 drug prevention okay so there’s a

1:22:13 series of

1:22:16 options that we have that we seems like we have taken a look at

1:22:18 but in it’s pretty much the same

1:22:22 as far as all of the statutory laws that are referenced i think

1:22:27 we i think we took all the

1:22:28 options it looks that way if we can just have staff review it to

1:22:32 make sure it’s fidelity and

1:22:33 that we’re moving on an administrative procedure for this one do

1:22:38 we noted miss campbell anybody

1:22:41 else have anything that they want to add to this one no okay

1:22:44 moving on 55 31 student assistant

1:22:47 programs i have to say that last one was curiously still

1:22:50 relevant considering that our drug situation

1:22:53 now is so different from 21 years ago well i was looking like

1:22:56 how do we need to change things

1:22:57 because now we’re having to deal with all this vaping or

1:22:59 whatever i’m like nope still applies

1:23:00 actually still covers still applies all right so 55 31 student

1:23:05 assistant programs there are

1:23:07 the exact same we don’t have a reference to the last time we

1:23:10 reviewed this neola’s is 2002

1:23:13 looks like the verbiage is got some additionals to it i’m okay

1:23:17 with asking if staff will review

1:23:19 it to see if they want to add anything um and then bringing it

1:23:22 back to us are you guys okay with that

1:23:24 yeah i i didn’t see um i mean i guess we have i thought we had

1:23:32 just they had accepted all the

1:23:34 options but maybe i’m missing something okay they have a few

1:23:36 more things

1:23:39 yeah i’m fine with it as is but if we want to send it out that’s

1:23:42 fine

1:23:43 okay with that moving on from 55 31 we’re going to go to 55 40

1:23:49 the schools and investigations

1:23:51 involving students so let me go to my one here we go it’s not

1:23:56 there go to the other one which

1:23:58 i do know we have the updates there yeah we are up to date on

1:24:00 this one

1:24:04 all right are you guys okay with um having staff review does

1:24:09 anybody wish to have anything that

1:24:10 they wish to say to this no you’re good everybody all right okay

1:24:17 moving on to 5600 student discipline

1:24:23 we just did this one and there’s no neola updates so yay this

1:24:27 one i think we can just say pass skip

1:24:30 all right 5605 suspension expulsion of disabled students

1:24:36 yep yeah according to neola there’s no updates that we need to

1:24:40 worry about it it’s identical

1:24:41 and i think that we’re good there we just need to link the

1:24:43 administrative procedure on this one

1:24:45 that’s it are we good did i miss i missed it you caught it for

1:24:49 me thank you thank you for catching

1:24:57 me all right next one up is um 5610 removal of out-of-school

1:25:03 suspension disciplinary placement

1:25:05 and expulsion of students we have an update on the neolas um the

1:25:09 most recent one seems that

1:25:11 there’s some additional language deleting certain language

1:25:14 adding certain sections to do with

1:25:16 teachers and removal of students and so we need to get that in

1:25:19 there so if we can um does anybody

1:25:21 wish to add anything comments or anything like that before staff

1:25:24 does their review of it hearing

1:25:27 none if you guys are okay we can move on from 5610 to 5610.02 uh

1:25:35 there’s there’s one that they

1:25:37 have that we don’t have and i i was curious because the the

1:25:41 updates from the last one from 5610

1:25:45 are about emergency removal of students i think so i don’t know

1:25:48 i don’t know if we need this one too

1:25:55 i i really like this i like it too i like it too i like it too

1:25:59 because it shows like continual

1:26:01 behavior type stuff so it’s one of the issues we had um so i

1:26:06 would i would strongly recommend

1:26:08 adding this to ours but having staff review it for any kind of

1:26:11 changes that they wish to do yeah

1:26:13 yeah you okay with that yeah mr jenkins are you okay with that

1:26:16 okay mr trent yeah okay moving on

1:26:21 so that’s an addition of 5610.01 so we want to add that one yep

1:26:25 yep now uh 5610.02 in school

1:26:30 discipline so neola had an update in 2018 ours hasn’t been

1:26:35 updated since the original since 2002

1:26:39 right um this one needs an administrative procedure and and

1:26:43 there are several more things

1:26:47 yep there seems to be some additional language that may have

1:26:50 come out in 2018 so i would like

1:26:51 staff to be able to take a look at it and if that’s okay with

1:26:55 you all if you don’t probably

1:26:56 need to go ahead and add the um reverse suspension that we’re

1:26:59 doing i mean as far as adding being

1:27:01 able to to ask for a parent to come in that that should be yeah

1:27:04 if they feel like it should go in

1:27:06 here that’d be a great addition right um yeah we’re good on that

1:27:11 make a suggestion that miss

1:27:14 right made that they review to see if this is a place that they

1:27:16 need to put that reverse

1:27:17 um suspension in and also update in the event if there’s any

1:27:21 additional that they need to add to

1:27:23 right okay with that all right linking the administrative

1:27:26 procedure yep get that

1:27:27 creating who’s on fire look who’s on fire over here all right

1:27:32 they’re gonna have it all done

1:27:34 just put it on every page all right uh 5610.03 detention of

1:27:39 students uh we updated this 2013

1:27:42 seems that seems it’s the extra statute procedures on this one

1:27:48 there’s a little bit of extra

1:27:50 there’s an extra statutory reference and there’s a little bit of

1:27:53 extra verbiage there so i’ll just

1:27:54 hand it to staff because i think we have more than they do we

1:27:58 have we do our policy is longer

1:28:00 than what i was just saying if we can just have staff review it

1:28:02 to make sure that we’re in line

1:28:04 and go from there we should be good okay 5610.04 is a statute

1:28:13 that’s inside of neola that we do not

1:28:16 have and suspension of bus riding transportation privileges i

1:28:20 think we just put this in our

1:28:22 transportation policy well i like it anyway it just i like

1:28:25 putting it better but if you guys

1:28:27 think that there’s what i would say is is if we could hand it to

1:28:30 staff and if it’s already inside

1:28:32 of another policy and that’s great but if not we need some you

1:28:35 know what i mean it would be nice to

1:28:37 send a message to our bus drivers that we put it in policy and

1:28:40 again i think this is one of those

1:28:42 ones where if a student’s looking for themselves i think it’s

1:28:44 good to have it here and i know it

1:28:46 might be a duplication of efforts but um just so that they

1:28:49 understand i i tend to think a student

1:28:50 would go straight to the student section of our handbook because

1:28:54 the parents maybe the lawyer for

1:28:56 the student okay all right let’s be realistic all right so i

1:28:59 feel like that’s when they’re going to

1:29:01 look for these kind of things i may not look for them well our

1:29:03 administrators honestly who are

1:29:05 looking what does it say in policy what am i supposed you know

1:29:07 making sure that they’re

1:29:08 probably more likely to take so we’re okay with um asking staff

1:29:12 to add it in my vote would be to

1:29:13 add this in to the student section but i don’t know what’s nice

1:29:16 okay mister as long as it’s

1:29:18 consistent with what we have consistent okay um yeah just i mean

1:29:25 miss kimball just said it just

1:29:27 as not just adopted neil neil policy it’s got to be consistent

1:29:30 what’s already in the transportation

1:29:31 policy so it’s yep and it’s referencing some statutes so it may

1:29:36 be that there’s some statutory

1:29:37 law we might need to add all right next one is um let me review

1:29:41 all of the different 15 different

1:29:43 locations so we have 5610.05 that is not inside of our statute

1:29:50 that talks about participation in

1:29:53 extracurricular activities our update is more recent than neola’s

1:29:57 and we did this and we did

1:29:59 this last year we just i think we’re just yeah sorry give me a

1:30:04 second i gotta open 15 things

1:30:07 to get i’m like this is take your time to review all right too

1:30:11 many boxes open at one time

1:30:23 i think what this is probably a good time to have that

1:30:31 conversation um i feel like it needs to be in

1:30:34 policy we talked about this mr trent when we were talking about

1:30:36 the discipline and the um the ability

1:30:39 for a principal to to hold out a student from extracurricular

1:30:42 activities for a period of time

1:30:44 and it really wasn’t defined what the period of time is um and

1:30:47 the concern that hey you may have

1:30:48 your your star quarterback who got in trouble who you know he

1:30:52 got trouble on tuesday and opens

1:30:53 friday that’s a period of time um so i think it would probably

1:30:57 be good if we were clear here on

1:30:59 what that period of time is and wrote that into policy just so

1:31:04 um in the event that a student is

1:31:08 in trouble for something the period of time needs to be defined

1:31:10 that they’re required to sit out

1:31:13 um what’s and that was related to the drug it was but this one i

1:31:17 i think we’ll have to

1:31:19 just the polyneola and ours is probably like fhsaa we have to

1:31:24 there’s some things that are

1:31:25 with the rules and so like b1 talks about basically if they’re

1:31:30 not suspended or expelled

1:31:32 they’re eligible to participate

1:31:37 um so when we’re and i’m gonna i’m just because we’ve been

1:31:40 having this conversation this board

1:31:42 has gone back and forth with us on the um like the drug issue

1:31:45 that we’ve had with the alc and

1:31:47 and talking about how they can stay in their school if they go

1:31:50 through a different program

1:31:51 and we’re looking at that right now right um so when we’re

1:31:54 talking about extracurricular

1:31:55 activities technically speaking they wouldn’t be suspended or

1:31:58 expelled they would be doing a

1:32:00 diversion program of some sort um which means they would be able

1:32:04 to still be eligible to play

1:32:05 any other sports or participate is that what you’re saying no no

1:32:08 no no no no no no um that is out

1:32:11 that is this is at a minimum right so the drug diversion program

1:32:15 would be separate from um but

1:32:19 i hear what you’re saying if if if if we’re gonna say one thing

1:32:21 with the drug diversion program we

1:32:23 don’t want to be able to go over here and says oh i’m not

1:32:25 suspended or expelled so yeah so so

1:32:27 maybe we need to add a statement in there that said except for a

1:32:31 period of well in that you know

1:32:34 reference our drug diversion program or whatever we need to add

1:32:36 that in there because that would

1:32:38 be a situation where they’re not suspended or expelled but we

1:32:40 are still excluding them from

1:32:41 extracurricular so i hear you’re saying so we need to add

1:32:43 something in there to make sure that that

1:32:44 is they can’t come to this policy and say that overrides your

1:32:47 well if they contradict each other

1:32:49 it’s like which one is true right right right can i ask a

1:32:51 question though because i mean don’t each

1:32:53 one of those students have to sign an agreement that’s stating

1:32:58 that to begin with to to participate

1:33:00 in extracurriculars right so like so they choose the drug

1:33:03 diversion program they have to sign an

1:33:05 agreement that’s stipulating their restrictions so their

1:33:08 contract overrides the contract the

1:33:10 policy but i i think one of the things that we discussed is that

1:33:13 the contract wasn’t really clear

1:33:14 on what is the appropriate amount of time when it comes to extracurricular

1:33:17 activities right but the

1:33:18 contract like i hear you and it was good that we were talking

1:33:21 about that but the contract will have

1:33:23 to be explicit it’s gonna have to be okay and your contract can

1:33:29 override your policy so your

1:33:31 contracts need to be in line with your policies they can’t

1:33:35 override no okay so your policies are

1:33:37 the district’s laws so you’re you can’t contract around the laws

1:33:41 so we at least need to have

1:33:42 something in here that references that in the situation of a

1:33:46 drug diversion problem they all

1:33:48 program they might they will also be excluded from extracurricular

1:33:52 activities for a time

1:33:53 does that would that be consistent with what you just said yeah

1:33:57 i would say we we need to check it

1:33:59 for sure yeah and clarify all those provisions okay and i and i

1:34:03 think that as a board we need

1:34:05 to establish what is that amount of time because again if it’s

1:34:09 open-ended four days could be a

1:34:11 sufficient amount of time to somebody but somebody else it might

1:34:13 be four weeks so you know i don’t

1:34:15 know i think when we had that conversation before we said we

1:34:17 want to leave it to the principal’s

1:34:18 discretion um and dr rendell is not here as our you know

1:34:22 recently former principal but um i think

1:34:25 that um you know i there are situations where i would like to

1:34:30 leave that to the principal’s

1:34:33 discretion not not the idea of like you don’t have to exclude

1:34:36 them at all ever but i have to

1:34:37 go back and look at the language that we used i think it would

1:34:40 be smart for us to set a minimum

1:34:41 standard and if they want to to go above that that’s fine but i

1:34:44 think you could have a extreme

1:34:46 inconsistency from principle to principle or sport to sport even

1:34:49 i mean you could have a principal

1:34:51 who puts in uh you know star player in this sport and doesn’t in

1:34:54 this i think if you don’t set a

1:34:55 standard you kind of open it up to maybe it could be

1:35:00 inconsistent and i i don’t know if this is the

1:35:03 appropriate time to have this conversation but i just feel like

1:35:05 because we’re talking about

1:35:06 extracurricular activities you know my thoughts on it are that

1:35:10 if a student were to choose the

1:35:12 drug diversion program upon completion of i don’t know maybe at

1:35:18 least two weeks of hey they’ve gone

1:35:20 to counseling they’re they’re following the steps they’re on the

1:35:24 right track um i would say at least

1:35:26 a minimum of two weeks ideally i would say four but um i think

1:35:30 it’s smart to set the standard

1:35:33 i don’t i wouldn’t necessarily disagree with that i don’t

1:35:34 disagree at all actually for a minimum of

1:35:36 two weeks i would probably make it higher myself but um the

1:35:40 problem that i would have with putting

1:35:42 a number and this is just my thought right now off the bat off

1:35:45 the top of my head is then we have

1:35:46 that expectation that oh two weeks you know even if it doesn’t

1:35:50 say that you know because there are

1:35:52 going to be some kids that need to go the full eight week

1:35:55 program well the expectation is to

1:35:57 complete it so if they if they stop with the diversion program

1:35:59 at that point i think that’s

1:36:00 when the expulsion conversation starts to happen and it triggers

1:36:03 that correct i mean that would be

1:36:05 if they’re not following that program it triggers the expulsion

1:36:08 correct if they are right we’re

1:36:09 talking about if we talk about if they are following it if they

1:36:12 are following it are they

1:36:13 going to go the full eight weeks without being able to

1:36:15 participate in extracurriculars so and i

1:36:17 and i don’t think that that’s that’s necessarily what we should

1:36:19 do either that’s that’s what i’m

1:36:21 saying i think it’s smart for us to define it in in our policy

1:36:24 to say that they’re required to

1:36:27 if they choose the drug diversion program they’re required to be

1:36:29 i have a definition question real

1:36:31 quick um suspended and expelled if a student is placed in an alc

1:36:37 what are we what are we calling

1:36:39 them are they suspended or expelled it’s it’s usually expulsion

1:36:46 in lieu or they’re placed at

1:36:48 the alc in lieu of an expulsion so they enter into an agreement

1:36:52 saying they’re going to complete the

1:36:54 so it’s not just the drug diversion program right right so that’s

1:36:57 sorry i didn’t mean to interrupt

1:36:58 but i wanted to throw that out there it then technically it’s

1:37:01 also going to mean for our

1:37:02 students who are going into the alc as well it’s both right and

1:37:05 they in addition i mean they can’t

1:37:07 even step on campus so we’ll need language to clarify in here

1:37:11 right yeah options in lieu of so

1:37:14 not just drug right i would refer it to staff to look at and

1:37:17 make sure we’re consistent across

1:37:19 sorry i didn’t mean to interrupt because i didn’t want to only

1:37:21 focus on that because i felt like it

1:37:22 was going to be a problem for all things yeah we need to have

1:37:25 that conversation i don’t know that

1:37:26 the time frame belongs here because that’s specific to the drug

1:37:29 we can put that in the

1:37:30 procedures for the drug diversion program but i do think we need

1:37:33 to add that language about

1:37:34 and here’s all the other things that you could be excluded for i

1:37:37 do think it’s appropriate here

1:37:38 because we’re talking about participation and extracurricular

1:37:40 activities so i think we need

1:37:41 to define when there might be a limitation on that go ahead but

1:37:46 it also says suspended from

1:37:47 the activity or suspended or expelled from school so in our

1:37:53 contract it will say you are suspended

1:37:58 from activity so that that goes along with the policy doesn’t it

1:38:02 it doesn’t say yeah a student

1:38:04 not currently suspended from interscholastic yes because they

1:38:07 would be considered suspended

1:38:09 you’re right if they’re in their right if they’re in their

1:38:11 division program that first part of the

1:38:13 of number one applies and that very first beginning there takes

1:38:17 care of right because you

1:38:18 can be suspended from those activities for other things yeah i

1:38:22 mean the ad and the principal can

1:38:23 say you’re you’re suspended from activities you’re not suspended

1:38:26 from school you’re not even in

1:38:27 trouble other than you’re not going to right that participate

1:38:30 actually in that then the student code

1:38:32 of conduct in that in the list of things that they can use the

1:38:34 tools in their toolbox yeah we’re gonna

1:38:36 handshake so so they can be um that could that’s just one of the

1:38:41 things that they can yeah that’s

1:38:43 a thing you can use that’s a it’s a consequence right right so

1:38:46 thank you for pointing that out

1:38:50 so we may or may not need to add that specific language the drug

1:38:53 diversion program because what

1:38:54 jean’s saying is it the first clause of that sentence would

1:38:58 apply but we do need to address

1:39:00 the contract for the interactive adversion program too for

1:39:03 minimum amount out time frame

1:39:06 so does are you guys saying you don’t feel like it’s an

1:39:09 appropriate it’s not needed here for the

1:39:12 amount of time right i will respectfully disagree but i will if

1:39:17 that’s the consensus of the board

1:39:19 then that’s fine we can move on let me bring it back up at a

1:39:23 more time too all right moving on 56

1:39:26 11 due process rights let me take a look at this yeah there’s

1:39:33 not a new um there is a maybe this

1:39:36 there’s two versions we we have to do some work on this um we

1:39:40 have two versions that we have that

1:39:42 reference multiple statutes seems like there’s enough here to

1:39:46 say to staff please review make

1:39:48 it the right decision i’m based on which one we want does

1:39:50 anybody wish to add any component of

1:39:52 this well i would just say there’s two versions of this and one

1:39:55 of them is um there’s there’s some

1:39:58 things that talk about the expulsion process our expulsion heavy

1:40:01 stuff is in 56 10 which we already

1:40:03 looked at but there was a specific phrase in here that needs to

1:40:08 be updated because i don’t know if

1:40:11 it was just an error the way it used to be where is it um it

1:40:15 says a representative of where is it

1:40:21 okay in b in b it says a student has her parents or guardian

1:40:24 must be given written notice of the

1:40:26 intention to expel and the reasons therefore and an opportunity

1:40:30 to appear with a representative

1:40:32 before the superintendent to answer the charges the language in

1:40:36 neola is an opportunity to appear

1:40:41 to meet with a representative of the superintendent to answer

1:40:44 the charges so

1:40:46 it seems small but to me the way we have it written is you can

1:40:49 bring your lawyer and sit

1:40:51 in front of the superintendent and at neola the intention is you

1:40:54 can come and you can still bring

1:40:56 your lawyer because legally they do that in the expulsion things

1:40:59 but you’re meeting with a

1:41:00 representative of superintendents you’re not necessarily going

1:41:02 to sit in dr rendell’s office

1:41:03 for this but you are going to be sitting in the rep with a

1:41:05 representative of the superintendent

1:41:07 so i think we need at least make that little change because that

1:41:10 would be consistent with

1:41:11 what we are currently doing um sometimes it’s a director or even

1:41:14 assistant superintendent but um

1:41:17 i guess ultimately that would go to our new chief of schools um

1:41:21 but it needs to we need to put that

1:41:23 in there so that there’s not the expectation that you’re sitting

1:41:25 in the superintendent’s office to

1:41:27 address this okay so having staff review it bring back the best

1:41:31 recommendations that they have

1:41:34 based upon the new implementation we are good with that right

1:41:37 okay with no additions we can move on

1:41:39 to 56 30 um let me make sure that there’s a corporal punishment

1:41:44 here we go all right here we go

1:41:49 all right so corporal punishment we don’t implement it we’re up

1:41:52 to date unless we’re

1:41:53 going to change this and i don’t suggest that we do no we’re not

1:41:55 going to bring corporal punishment

1:41:57 although it is still legal in florida yes we will not be

1:42:00 bringing that into our space

1:42:02 careful of what we say right oh boy right so just be clear to be

1:42:06 clear no corporal punishment in

1:42:09 brevard county public schools he walked in at the right time yes

1:42:11 you did we’re talking about

1:42:12 corporal punishment right before with that the next yeah with

1:42:16 that the next policy that we can

1:42:18 review is 56 um 56 10. 56 30 holy wow there’s a ton in between

1:42:28 hang on a second all right

1:42:32 hang on so we have 56 34 punishment and we have 56 30.01 right

1:42:38 this thing just jumped so there

1:42:41 was not in our neola update thing there i’m just going through

1:42:45 all of it to make sure that we’re

1:42:47 not missing no there’s not all right yeah oh there’s not any

1:42:50 there’s not one of the updated

1:42:51 we updated this one with the new laws in 22. yep so if you guys

1:42:56 are okay seems like it’s pretty

1:42:58 identical it seems like we are up to date on it as long as there’s

1:43:02 no new new neola which is not

1:43:04 we seem like we’re in a good place we can pass on it correct all

1:43:07 right so then we move on to

1:43:10 the next one which is 57 10 student and parent legal guardian

1:43:13 complaints and this one i believe

1:43:15 there is yeah i saw that on the other one so if we pull the 57

1:43:19 10 up and then we go through it

1:43:21 it just seems like there’s just one it has to do a notification

1:43:25 yeah so if you guys are okay

1:43:26 we let staff review that and move on from 57 10 if there’s no

1:43:30 updates that the school board members

1:43:31 just to add here is this policy currently published on our

1:43:34 district website or no i mean this would be

1:43:35 i guess it would be our old policy would be okay are we okay to

1:43:40 have staff review move on okay

1:43:43 57 10 next up is 57 22 according to our policy documents let me

1:43:46 check and make sure there’s no

1:43:48 we’re missing upsets here yeah it was updated in 2021 we need to

1:43:54 go for search and seizure that’s

1:43:57 enough 57 22 i think yeah but what she’s saying is that there’s

1:44:01 one in between oh sorry i skipped i

1:44:03 jumped 57 22 looking at too many things listen i’m right there

1:44:07 with you it’s kind of yeah okay

1:44:10 so 57 22 um was last updated and by neola in 2021 we last

1:44:17 updated in 29 2009 last revised in 2014

1:44:22 off of the neola from 2009 if you guys would like i would like

1:44:26 to just have staff review this if

1:44:28 nobody else has anything that they wish to add to it we’re okay

1:44:31 all right moving on 57 30. hang on

1:44:34 there’s a 24 option yep i i took a look at this um and i think

1:44:43 we’re already doing this preparation

1:44:47 for voter registration um yeah so there’s actually it’s funny

1:44:54 that we bring this up because i was

1:44:57 having a conversation with dr rendell about this um new board

1:45:00 members there was a situation where

1:45:02 we made a big push to register our students to vote in the last

1:45:07 election um i brought forward

1:45:09 a comparison and i had staff work on it where we pulled all of

1:45:12 our students um and then we pulled

1:45:14 all of the available registered voters we crossed them to find

1:45:18 out who had not been registered to

1:45:19 vote and then we supplied those lists to each one of the schools

1:45:23 to have the principals work on

1:45:25 allowing those students to register many of you guys um i think

1:45:28 the old way to register is to

1:45:30 bring the groups in and have them talk and it’s very easy to

1:45:33 register online now yeah so there’s

1:45:35 a way that we don’t have to when they get their driver’s license

1:45:38 right sorry i didn’t mean to

1:45:39 interrupt you but no i was gonna say the same thing too they

1:45:41 turned 16 7 to get the driver’s

1:45:43 license and then it gets mailed to them automatically so a lot

1:45:45 of our students are already

1:45:46 in the system it was pretty significant the amount of students

1:45:48 that had not registered to vote yet so

1:45:50 what what i would what i had said to dr rendell was is hey what

1:45:54 do you think about reinstituting

1:45:56 this giving the lists over to the high school principals that we

1:45:58 can see if they want to have

1:45:59 their students registered and stuff like that a lot of the

1:46:02 parents when i was doing it two years

1:46:03 ago and four years ago had no idea they were like wait a minute

1:46:06 my kid didn’t register like what is

1:46:08 this and sometimes when you register i think when you get your

1:46:11 driver’s license you’re given the

1:46:12 opportunity to register though you don’t have to right they don’t

1:46:15 so like so sometimes kids are

1:46:17 like oh i just want to get through this just give me my license

1:46:19 right i don’t know what so there’s

1:46:21 an opportunity to to kind of do that this falls into line with

1:46:25 that um and we could do a coordinated

1:46:27 effort with the current supervisor of elections and see what we

1:46:31 can do so i’m i’m all for uh civic

1:46:34 engagement and and getting our kids registered to vote i i don’t

1:46:39 i i’m uncomfortable with us

1:46:41 identifying students who are registered and not registered

1:46:44 because they’re they’re children

1:46:46 they’re not adults so i don’t know how we’re accessing that

1:46:49 information and you have to be 18

1:46:50 to vote that’s kind of an adult but they can pre-register too

1:46:54 and this is talking about

1:46:56 engaging them to be ready to register as well so um

1:47:04 i think i think we need to have this conversation and do what we

1:47:07 can to increase it um increase

1:47:09 awareness i know that there was an issue and why they apparently

1:47:13 in the past like tried to stop

1:47:14 other groups from coming in and wanted to work strictly with the

1:47:18 supervisor of elections um i

1:47:20 i agree with you mr susan i think we need to re-engage that and

1:47:23 and bump it up and enhance

1:47:24 it because i know we’ve been slacking but um yeah let’s let’s

1:47:29 have this conversation and figure it

1:47:31 out first because i think this policy i’m sorry this policy

1:47:35 talks about doing a voter education

1:47:38 and registration program which when the superintendent when the

1:47:41 supervisor of elections

1:47:42 comes in they do that they pretty much just walk them through

1:47:45 how you can do it online and they

1:47:47 can do it while they’re sitting there if they want to definitely

1:47:51 want to i would we have had those

1:47:52 third party had that conversation with dr sylvan not very long

1:47:55 ago when one of the third party

1:47:56 groups came and we want to come in and no no we put the kibosh

1:47:58 on that because then there’s the

1:48:00 even if it’s a non-partisan group there is the risk of it seeing

1:48:03 when not mom it’s not nonpartisan

1:48:06 um but with this if it’s with a supervisor i just i actually to

1:48:11 me this is saying we’re gonna do a

1:48:14 voter education program i don’t i am also not super excited

1:48:18 about us pulling kids voter records

1:48:20 and cross mapping and and like because i think there is the risk

1:48:24 of that appearing to be um

1:48:28 it is our duty to make sure that students know that they can

1:48:31 register to vote i mean we can yeah

1:48:33 we can do that without specifically well i’ll just do it i think

1:48:36 i think it’s a good idea i

1:48:38 think honestly we should be teaching our next generation because

1:48:41 the when we look at the the

1:48:43 lack of participation when it comes to voting that is that is

1:48:46 our democratic process that we

1:48:48 no other well no other a lot of other countries don’t have that

1:48:51 opportunity and if we’re not

1:48:52 teaching our children i don’t think it’s a bad idea um as far as

1:48:55 like pulling the data i i feel

1:48:57 like this kind of could go even with a government class of some

1:49:00 sort or even our student government

1:49:02 um that’s in every single one of our high schools maybe tasking

1:49:05 them with this uh and saying hey

1:49:07 this is something that you guys could could lead in your schools

1:49:10 in an exceptional way but i do

1:49:11 think we we need to do a better job so with that i think having

1:49:16 a voter education policy isn’t that

1:49:19 bad no i don’t the other component to us actually doing it we’ve

1:49:22 already done it we had a zero i

1:49:24 mean when i said we did it we did it county-wide we had zero

1:49:27 pushback from any of the parents

1:49:29 um so i think that in a in a good we can engage in that and if

1:49:32 the board doesn’t wish to engage

1:49:34 in that i’ll just pull it myself and do it i’ll just send out

1:49:37 cards to them so um anyways with

1:49:40 that you guys want to add the participation for voter

1:49:42 registration or what do you want to do i

1:49:44 like it i like it i just i get a third party to add the no third

1:49:47 party is what i would say like

1:49:49 this needs to be done between the school board and then

1:49:51 supervisor elections that’s obviously

1:49:53 nonpartisan that’s good bring them in to educate them i just i

1:49:57 need to restate this because we

1:49:59 need to be careful with the statements that we’re making

1:50:02 publicly the supervisor of elections

1:50:04 doesn’t even notify adults that they aren’t registered to vote

1:50:10 so it isn’t we are treading

1:50:13 on something weird if we’re saying we’re going to pull data and

1:50:16 notify them um

1:50:20 it’s just it’s it’s uncomfortable that’s a process that certain

1:50:27 uh political organizations do

1:50:29 absolutely um but they pay for access to databases and um pull

1:50:36 that information as well and request

1:50:38 it from the supervisor election so i just think we need to be

1:50:41 careful before we trigger uh some

1:50:46 hesitation and fear for no reason when the goal is to educate

1:50:48 students about it yeah that’s great

1:50:53 well we just yeah if we just read the neola i mean it’s a

1:50:56 superintendent will develop a nonpartisan

1:50:59 voter education registration program for high schools that’s

1:51:02 fine um we can do the i’ll talk

1:51:05 to rendell about putting together the voter registration drive

1:51:07 and stuff like that we’ll

1:51:07 get to it and then we’ll bring it before the board for approval

1:51:10 sure um everybody okay with that

1:51:11 adding that component to it adding this policy yep all right go

1:51:16 from there um next policy we have up

1:51:19 is oh boy where are we at yeah 57 30 yeah i’m looking up here 57

1:51:26 30 is not one of the additions

1:51:28 most recently 57 30 from the previous one is here um yeah so we

1:51:35 have neola template in 2002

1:51:38 last update revised from neola was 2005 seems to be it’s pretty

1:51:43 in line with everything but

1:51:44 it seems like it might be a little bit different with some of

1:51:47 the verbiage if you guys are okay

1:51:48 with letting staff just review it make sure that we’re in line

1:51:50 and then go forward does that make

1:51:51 sense yeah we have actually updated ours since then but and i

1:51:55 didn’t see any no it’s 2005 was

1:52:00 last revision on the park policy same with the neola policy so i

1:52:05 think if we just have

1:52:07 staff look at it because the paragraph in the beginning is a

1:52:09 little bit different than what

1:52:10 we have so if we’re okay with having staff just review it and if

1:52:14 you guys have any additional

1:52:15 comments yeah you guys want to take a minute um take a five-minute

1:52:20 break yeah sure come back at

1:52:23 10 51 or no 10 10 50 10 53 10 55 thank you

1:52:45 so

1:59:29 welcome back everybody we are now on to 5751 parental married

1:59:29 status of students um

1:59:37 you guys take a look at this this was updated in 2015 our end um

1:59:43 2022 and then the oldest 2015 i think we’re in a pretty good

1:59:46 environment um everybody feel okay with it okay moving on to 5771

2:00:04 an extra paragraph where you guys okay with staff reviewing that

2:00:08 anybody used to have anything

2:00:10 speaking to this um yeah we because this was an issue we got

2:00:14 right we talked we we had a

2:00:15 conversation a few months ago clarifying expectations with this

2:00:19 but um if there’s a way

2:00:21 i out of that conversation i actually went back to a school that

2:00:24 had brought this first to my

2:00:26 attention and they weren’t even aware that we had clarified it

2:00:29 so i want to make sure that it’s

2:00:31 super clear what the expectations are um if a student refuses to

2:00:36 be searched and so if there’s

2:00:38 a way to even like make the language even more crystal clear um

2:00:42 i think that would be good and

2:00:44 then this one um there’s not an administrative procedure with

2:00:48 this one um and and maybe the in

2:00:54 the administrative procedure because this is one of those that

2:00:56 says it needs one maybe that would

2:00:58 do it maybe the clarity can come in the administrative procedure

2:01:01 but we certainly

2:01:02 need to add this extra language in here that you’ll there’s a

2:01:05 whole paragraph about um

2:01:08 i guess have you have to return it discreetly or you have to do

2:01:12 the search discreetly and and all

2:01:14 that i think the other issue is that we had um i think one of

2:01:17 your sros was vocal about this time

2:01:20 in your area and then i ran across there were four of them that

2:01:22 were asking questions i think

2:01:24 he’s clarifying that you’re right if there’s a way that we

2:01:26 communicate that to them to make sure that

2:01:28 they understand the power that they have well i think that

2:01:31 actually clarifying because i talked to

2:01:33 district security about this too that the the um it needs to

2:01:37 clarify what the sro because it’s the

2:01:39 specifically it was talking about this is the ability of our

2:01:43 staff to search right and the sros

2:01:46 have a little bit of a different um even though i did right

2:01:49 right if they’re if they’re an sro on

2:01:52 our campus even they they can fall under the lower bar of

2:01:56 reasonable suspicion rather than um

2:02:00 probable cause thank you probable cause but i think that our sros

2:02:04 are reticent to do that

2:02:06 because it kind of puts them in a little bit of a in between

2:02:09 area yeah but i agree that you know um

2:02:13 some of the missed you know information we can address through

2:02:15 training but it would be good to

2:02:16 have procedures set up so that you know it’s codified and

2:02:21 written we can see it we can change

2:02:24 procedures you don’t always have to go to a policy change so

2:02:27 that would be the way to do it yeah

2:02:30 i agree so if we need that staff work on the administrative

2:02:32 procedures from the facts

2:02:34 that’s great next up is 5772 weapons this is also an addition a

2:02:39 new addition there’s um

2:02:42 it kind of crosses out some of the members

2:02:59 yep

2:03:04 here’s a new update for that one all right um it has to do with

2:03:15 the scholarships

2:03:18 they’ve changed the name of the scholarship and there’s other

2:03:21 information there’s stuff

2:03:22 about progress reporting um that’s all changed since the last

2:03:26 revision

2:03:33 i think we’re okay does anybody wish to add in no just make sure

2:03:37 you don’t put

2:03:37 the pardon about corporal punishment that’s in here we don’t

2:03:40 obviously we just address that

2:03:42 but it’s also in here as well right we don’t have to do it if we’re

2:03:46 not yeah doing that all right

2:03:49 next one is um there’s an ella 5780.01 yeah there’s two student

2:03:59 parents

2:04:04 student rights and parent rights of 5780 we just did that yep

2:04:07 just did that one um don’t see any

2:04:11 new that’s great updates as far as the mail we’re good there um

2:04:15 everybody okay with wait no wait

2:04:17 that’s when we just did that then we do need to go back and

2:04:19 revise yeah staff’s gonna review 5780

2:04:22 it’s a lot we’re on 5780 that’s the big one which is the parents

2:04:26 bill of rights right 5780.01

2:04:31 right just slow down for a second so 5780 has an update most

2:04:36 recently by the new updates

2:04:39 we just talked about that okay let’s go yeah moving on to 5781

2:04:45 there is no we didn’t have one inside this is right

2:04:49 forward if new if they can look through that and bring that back

2:04:52 to us that’d be great

2:04:54 okay yeah it’s pretty much just the parents bill of rights

2:04:57 spelled out yeah which is probably a

2:04:59 good idea for us to have that absolutely good idea but this is

2:05:09 um you know if you want to put

2:05:12 this inside and have some wrapped around it it’s just kind of a

2:05:15 signifying thing saying students

2:05:16 have the right to organize that we like officers petition the

2:05:20 board and all this other stuff would

2:05:21 you guys like to put this in or yes i think there’s some i don’t

2:05:24 know if my microphone do we have it

2:05:26 anywhere else um there are some schools that do this

2:05:28 exceptionally well and i think this would be

2:05:29 a really beneficial thing to have in every one of our high

2:05:32 schools so having our our student

2:05:34 government and in board i’ll challenge you because i had one of

2:05:36 the teachers that teaches the student

2:05:38 government class ask if i’d be willing to come and speak to the

2:05:40 students i think that’s a really

2:05:41 great opportunity for us obviously it’s in our schools as well

2:05:45 um but yeah if you get invited

2:05:46 or i may i may call on you because they’re going to try to have

2:05:49 regularly scheduled speakers come

2:05:51 in and talk to these students but i think this would be great

2:05:53 for us to implement as policy and

2:05:55 expect it across the board on all of our high schools um my

2:05:58 question would be do we call it

2:06:00 the same thing in every high school because this policy we don’t

2:06:03 have to do that this specific way

2:06:04 but it calls upon us to recognize the name of so if we if it’s sga

2:06:09 at every school or every high

2:06:12 school then um or do we need to we need to delineate that i mean

2:06:16 to say high schools middle

2:06:17 schools because i don’t know of all of our middle schools that

2:06:20 have those yeah i think we could

2:06:21 write it up such as student government or student council we

2:06:24 could write it up so that there’s a

2:06:25 student so it’s flexible if they do something different body of

2:06:29 representative officers of

2:06:30 the students you know and call either student government i’m

2:06:33 sure we can wordsmith our way

2:06:34 through that okay but every one of our high schools has an

2:06:37 organization either student

2:06:39 council or student government yeah yeah let’s give them the

2:06:42 flexibility to make it where it’s not

2:06:45 if they already have something successful we’re not changing if

2:06:47 everybody’s using the same name

2:06:49 then we’re good yeah so in regards to this there’s also the

2:06:54 second component that um i

2:06:56 think dr rendell you have the student um government presidents

2:06:59 and some others may be coming to speak

2:07:01 to you right superintendent’s advisory council yep and then so

2:07:04 he has that i think the other

2:07:06 thing is is absolutely i was a former student government sponsor

2:07:09 i taught student you know

2:07:10 what i mean american government um there’s another component to

2:07:13 this is is that viera high school

2:07:15 hosts the i i can’t remember if it’s student government or if it’s

2:07:19 student council but like

2:07:20 the district so they bring over schools from like orange county

2:07:23 and everybody else and it’s massive

2:07:25 like and i think that we can probably do a better job in that

2:07:29 space of supporting them kind of with

2:07:32 their drive to have that i think when i sat down with them they

2:07:35 had a series of things that they

2:07:36 were requesting that we would be able to support them on to make

2:07:39 them actually better off like more

2:07:40 coordinating time and stuff like that viera high actually has a

2:07:44 class that they do that student

2:07:45 government and then they actually meet and they drive a lot of

2:07:48 the leadership across the the

2:07:50 school and it’s a really good supported class now a lot of your

2:07:53 smaller schools have trouble

2:07:55 putting that unit in right and viera has a lot of kids but it’s

2:07:57 just something that i think we can

2:07:59 look at and i just wanted to applaud um dr rendell for his work

2:08:02 there and creating that council and

2:08:03 thank you very much so i think we’re going to add that one

2:08:06 moving on 58 30 student fundraising

2:08:11 oh boy pass you don’t want to go into this one we revised this

2:08:15 in 2021 and i think we’re

2:08:19 yeah we were we were good to go yeah we did a lot of a lot work

2:08:23 of that was coming later

2:08:27 it was one of the things we had to update was i think like we

2:08:29 had to cover things like insta rays

2:08:32 or snap rays the ones that were not actually selling things or

2:08:35 just you know sending a link

2:08:36 and saying will you donate yep all right this will come um let

2:08:43 me see here this would be the

2:08:46 last time that we see this if the staff doesn’t make a

2:08:48 recommendation so if you guys want any

2:08:50 kind of student government or student fundraising so right now

2:08:54 we just updated this so the chances

2:08:56 are that staff is going to look at it and say we’re good to go

2:08:59 and then what’s going to happen

2:09:01 is they’re going to stamp it and say revised or reviewed

2:09:04 whatever it is in the date so if you have

2:09:06 any changes that you wish to bring now is the opportunity to do

2:09:11 that if not we can move but

2:09:12 this is one of those things that we consistently hear about both

2:09:15 with you know what i mean booster

2:09:17 clubs and all this other stuff so you guys are okay or we can

2:09:21 kick it and bring it back before

2:09:22 the board again in a future date if you want to take some time

2:09:26 to review um i thought that’s what

2:09:27 we were supposed to be doing before we got here right yep this

2:09:32 one is a sticky one and i know it

2:09:35 is because like this i’m sure it’s got to be the same everywhere

2:09:38 um there’s a lot of inconsistency

2:09:41 around boosters and it seems to really be prevalent in the

2:09:45 sports booster clubs so um

2:09:48 that’s one area where if we can maybe get that all uniformed and

2:09:52 on board on the same track that

2:09:53 would be good because it’s just all over the place and i’m sure

2:09:56 if you start looking at different

2:09:57 schools you’ll see it um yeah i think actually a lot of that is

2:10:00 covered in the athletic handbook

2:10:02 and it’s just a matter of us and following up on our own stuff 9211

2:10:06 is our policy that has to do

2:10:07 with booster organizations because it’s a finance oh i know yeah

2:10:12 i’m just telling you i i i’m telling

2:10:14 you from first-hand experience and what i’m seeing it’s it is

2:10:16 all over the place depending on the

2:10:17 school and the sport and so um consistency and sometimes they

2:10:20 don’t even know they’re like i

2:10:22 don’t even know how to start a booster and i’m like oh that’s

2:10:24 alarming if you don’t know how

2:10:25 to start a booster and you’re in charge of this that’s that’s a

2:10:28 problem so um maybe just helping

2:10:31 give clear direction that way they’re all on the same page and i

2:10:34 don’t get calls with how do we

2:10:36 start a booster those kind of things and 9211 hasn’t been

2:10:40 updated in a while but i don’t know

2:10:42 if we have it we have a handbook we have an athletic handbook

2:10:46 yeah a lot of ads didn’t we

2:10:48 know we had an athletic handbook so yeah when mr robinson you

2:10:51 know gives his presentation next

2:10:53 week he may cover that it’s not like he’s going to be able to do

2:10:56 all of this but you know he

2:10:58 he can advise you know middle school and high school a.d.s on

2:11:02 how to navigate through that

2:11:04 okay good good so it’s getting on the right track right yeah oh

2:11:08 yeah yeah all right so i i have no

2:11:10 problem with what’s currently here um moving forward i would

2:11:13 just ask you you know staff

2:11:15 take a look at it just make sure and if we see anything we want

2:11:17 to change we’ll let you know yep

2:11:19 58 40 next up is student groups it’s identical to what we had

2:11:23 before if you guys are okay uh review

2:11:25 it real quick move on you’re good all right hasn’t changed since

2:11:30 2002 next up is um 58 90 58 45 is the

2:11:36 next neola update it says talks about student activities

2:11:40 orchestra this is not in our current

2:11:42 policies um but it talks about uniform it is 58 45 58 hang on

2:11:48 yes it’s not in my

2:11:52 sorry well we have one you want to um yeah if we’re okay with

2:11:55 that then so i had a question

2:12:01 go ahead you got the floor so 58 45 in the second paragraph so

2:12:04 it’s it i think it maybe it’s just

2:12:06 some confusion but when i read through our policy in the second

2:12:08 paragraph it says uniforms shall be

2:12:10 restricted to garments comparable to normal street wear in order

2:12:13 that the same can be provided by

2:12:15 parents with little or no extra cost as a choir mom i’m like

2:12:19 wait a minute are you talking about

2:12:21 banded choir uniforms or are you talking about like if the

2:12:23 school has a uniform dress code so

2:12:25 when i first have been i’m like these girls are renting right

2:12:29 and guys tuxedos and dresses or

2:12:31 whatever um or have to have black and white or whatever i wouldn’t

2:12:36 necessarily consider it

2:12:37 necessarily street wear but i think what this sentence is

2:12:40 talking about is more like a dress

2:12:44 code dress code yeah i’m not schools i that part confused me

2:12:49 yeah now the more i look at it the

2:12:52 more i’m not sure exactly what they’re what the intent of that

2:12:55 is right i mean we’re not limiting

2:12:57 our performing groups to you know you can only put pants and

2:13:01 shirts and whatever you can’t have them

2:13:03 where they’re formal you know but i just can if we can just

2:13:06 clarify that i mean yola doesn’t have

2:13:07 illicit any differently um but uh it’s under student activities

2:13:13 there’s kind of a it’s kind

2:13:15 of a hodgepodge of things because first it’s about where they

2:13:18 can perform and then there’s this thing

2:13:20 about uniforms and then it goes to where they can you know who

2:13:23 can go out how we do trips outside

2:13:25 of this day and and then it has this weird sentence about safety

2:13:31 patrol um it’s that one so

2:13:33 so it seems like this is like the miscellaneous policy so i mean

2:13:36 if it is a miscellaneous policy

2:13:38 if we can clarify what that sentence means i don’t think there’s

2:13:43 any school that is looking at that

2:13:45 going oh my gosh i can’t do formal orchestra gowns or tuxedos

2:13:50 but let’s maybe we can like move things

2:13:52 around so it’s more fair well yeah what’s troubling is that the

2:13:56 neola policy is exactly the same so

2:13:59 yeah we’ll reach out to them to see what they what they

2:14:02 interpret that as i mean i imagine it’s the

2:14:05 idea is that you don’t want to ask the parents to spend an inordinate

2:14:09 amount of money just so they

2:14:10 can outfit their kids with what we believe is the right uniform

2:14:13 right right you know i think that’s

2:14:15 the intent of it but um you know as as a band parent as well i

2:14:19 know that there’s a lot of costs

2:14:21 associated with band and basically all of our clubs and

2:14:24 activities are becoming very expensive

2:14:26 so i’m not sure yeah and you know a lot of our schools will do

2:14:29 like a rent address so it’s only

2:14:31 paid 20 or 30 a year and then you’re basically covering the dry

2:14:33 cleaning costs for the year

2:14:35 but then some of them that my kids have been in are you know you

2:14:37 pay 60 for your orchestra dress

2:14:39 and you’re going to wear it every year and then if you want to

2:14:40 sell it to the next kid you can but

2:14:42 um you know i mean that’s not an inordinate amount when it comes

2:14:44 to stuff if you’re thinking about

2:14:46 i’m going to wear this for four years but still if we can just

2:14:48 provide some clarity on that i think

2:14:49 that’d be good and i haven’t looked at the statute to see if

2:14:51 there’s something in there that says what

2:14:53 we can or cannot do right and i i interpret that just even with

2:14:56 your example though is you know

2:14:58 if it’s a black gown then you know if a family owns a black

2:15:00 dress and they can’t afford and no

2:15:02 one’s willing to supplement it then they can wear the black

2:15:05 dress i’m but you know our communities

2:15:07 are very giving and our our i’m pretty sure that the choir

2:15:10 director would figure something out for

2:15:12 a family right they do they do make it that’s how i’m

2:15:16 interpreting that yep there’s no reference in

2:15:18 the statute regarding uniforms okay so it’s just a random like i

2:15:22 said it it probably doesn’t have

2:15:24 to do but we just had that paragraph about bands orchestras and

2:15:29 choirs so you know it it seemed

2:15:31 initially like it replies to them but then we have the thing

2:15:34 about the the crossing guard so i don’t

2:15:37 it seems like a little weird yeah it’s just a little weird place

2:15:40 all that’s in one place

2:15:42 yep because to me when it if this has to do with let’s not have

2:15:46 like our schools that have dress

2:15:48 codes like our choice schools and like cambridge has one and

2:15:50 some of the other elementary schools

2:15:52 have them um that would fall under our uniform policy or our

2:15:55 dress code policy that we just

2:15:56 talked about so so um thank you so much for that miss campbell

2:16:02 uh the board in this policy right

2:16:04 here i want to talk to you about what’s coming um the board

2:16:07 grants any school the right to organize

2:16:09 a safety security or safe school safety patrol such a group

2:16:12 shall have the authority to not only

2:16:14 instruct direct and control students at street crossings or near

2:16:16 the school or on school grounds

2:16:18 within the building here’s what um just the county had just

2:16:22 mentioned so they’re saying

2:16:24 across the street that they may entertain allowing 16 to 18 year

2:16:28 olds and we don’t have to agree to

2:16:30 this but allowed them to be um crossing guards and the reason

2:16:35 behind that is is that current

2:16:37 16 year olds are already working as lifeguards saving

2:16:41 individuals on the beach they should be

2:16:43 allowed to cross um traffic now it’s not saying we have to go

2:16:47 through that they’re going to offer

2:16:49 that probably to our 18 year olds now the question there is is

2:16:54 that if i’m working at ogali or say

2:16:56 i’m at viera high school and i want to be a safety patrol and i

2:16:59 can get paid before school starts to

2:17:02 run down to the elementary school be a safety patrol crossing

2:17:05 guard i’m sorry crossing guard

2:17:07 this may be part of that i just wanted to kind of mention it to

2:17:10 you so school may be able to say

2:17:12 like viera high school right now if you go out there before the

2:17:15 school starts there’s literally

2:17:16 cars backed up forever right because they got to turn in there

2:17:20 they have the right under this

2:17:22 policy to take a student go out there and direct the traffic not

2:17:25 that they would but just so you

2:17:27 understand what that is i think that that might be a little get

2:17:29 a little confusing because the

2:17:31 crossing guard and the safety patrol are two different things in

2:17:34 my mind yeah it’s still

2:17:34 they’re allowed to go out the school might be able to like the

2:17:37 safety patrol and the crossing guard

2:17:39 are two different things the county regulates the crossing

2:17:41 guards right they would go through them

2:17:43 they would be licensed they would be all that stuff and then

2:17:45 they would be back to our schools or

2:17:47 areas right are you just telling this is just information point

2:17:50 of information that that our

2:17:51 element our viera high school and some of those 18 year olds may

2:17:54 be able to send those kids out to

2:17:56 do the crossing the streets and stuff like that which would

2:18:00 really help students at street

2:18:01 crossings yeah it covers street crossings that’s right but that

2:18:05 wouldn’t be the safety we’re not

2:18:06 asking our safety patrols to do that well it gives them the

2:18:09 right to do it because it allows students

2:18:11 at street crossing right but that would be different from what

2:18:14 you’re talking about because

2:18:16 if the county’s going to hire people to be crossing guards

2:18:18 county crossing guards are separate but what

2:18:20 i wanted to say is is that if they want to hire people at 18

2:18:23 just understand that our county

2:18:25 schools have the opportunity at 18 to send people out there that’s

2:18:28 all that’s all um or any of the

2:18:30 other students okay that is uh 54 85 um is everybody showing

2:18:38 that the next one is 58 95 or is there

2:18:43 i’m missing a whole section here so what i’m going to do is is

2:18:46 um run through i’ll just

2:18:48 come through i’m in the olla piece and if we have them there’s

2:18:52 not any updates we pretty much

2:18:55 adopted the whole entire thing with options um it’s all not

2:18:59 changed since 20 2002 yep so if

2:19:02 that’s the case same statutory rules then um you know what i

2:19:05 mean i’m okay with moving forward and

2:19:07 having it stamped off that we revised it um the next one that i

2:19:13 have up would be 58 55 student

2:19:16 attendance at school events do we currently have a policy inside

2:19:22 we don’t have that okay um i there’s

2:19:25 yeah i i just wrote no going back and look at my notes um

2:19:28 basically it’s saying you know go to a

2:19:32 bunch of charges right i’m okay with not having this inside of

2:19:38 our our policies if you guys would

2:19:40 like it to be then we can what are your thoughts it has to do

2:19:44 with we’re right we’re regulating or

2:19:47 not regulating who can come to an activity and if they have to

2:19:50 have a parent and and we’re you know

2:19:52 who’s gonna check on who’s got kids yeah i don’t think we need

2:19:57 this policy okay the next one up

2:20:00 that we have is 58 60 safety patrol after all that conversation

2:20:04 right we don’t have this one either

2:20:06 but i i feel like we have if we have 58 45 which even though it’s

2:20:11 just one weird little sentence

2:20:13 down there i don’t know that we need to come in and nope do this

2:20:18 one too nope i’m okay with not

2:20:20 adding this if everybody else is we’re okay because not all of

2:20:23 our schools have a safety

2:20:24 patrol some of it has to do with their locations and you know a

2:20:28 lot of them do i mean elementary

2:20:29 is obviously the middle schools and high schools i haven’t ever

2:20:31 seen a middle school or high school

2:20:32 safety patrol but usually our elementary schools are like

2:20:34 opening the doors and shutting the doors

2:20:36 and just there to corral kindergarteners maybe so the next one i

2:20:41 have on here is 58 65 again it’s

2:20:43 not inside my book i’m not sure if we have it as a policy we

2:20:46 actually don’t have it and i believe

2:20:49 that it’s out of date um just looking at the draft notes this

2:20:53 was in 22 the the 11th circuit court

2:20:56 decision i’m st john’s um adams or st john’s came out on december

2:21:00 31st of 2022 and so i think um

2:21:04 this i would recommend that we don’t okay good that’s one moving

2:21:08 on to 58 80 wait a minute sorry

2:21:10 go back real fast you’re recommending that we don’t have we don’t

2:21:14 this this policy it’s not

2:21:16 one it’s not updated and the policy was based on the state board

2:21:19 rule that we talked about remember

2:21:20 in our very first meeting if you’re going to do something it was

2:21:24 rescinded by neola so right

2:21:26 in the 23 update right because the policy said if you’re going

2:21:29 to do something besides

2:21:30 separate bathrooms by sex at birth then you had to have that

2:21:34 policy but we don’t because we don’t

2:21:36 okay okay so moving on the next one up that i have here is 58 80

2:21:40 are you showing that inside of our

2:21:43 current ones okay seems that this is from 2002 again revised in

2:21:47 2014 does anybody have anything

2:21:50 they’d wish to add to this an administrative procedure so if

2:21:54 staff can please review and

2:21:56 add the administrative procedure i think we’re in a good place

2:22:00 okay all right moving on 58 95

2:22:03 student employment you guys take a look at that it’s pretty much

2:22:08 the same that it was in 2002

2:22:11 yeah i just had a question about this one because um one of the

2:22:15 things that it says is that we will

2:22:18 adopt a rate of pay and approve by the board i don’t remember

2:22:22 ever doing that but we are

2:22:23 paying we are hiring students for internships and um since it

2:22:29 says

2:22:31 we’ll have the rate of pay shall be recommended by the

2:22:33 superintendent approved by the board

2:22:35 as far as students that are um doing vocational education on the

2:22:38 job training program so we

2:22:39 probably just need to go back and make sure i don’t it’s not any

2:22:42 changes for the policy

2:22:43 but just make sure that we’re doing that doing that yep sounds

2:22:47 like a plan are we recording

2:22:49 this as a point of curiosity because the minimum minimum wage

2:22:52 moving to fifteen dollars an hour

2:22:53 i’m assuming students aren’t exempt from that do you know i’ll

2:22:58 check okay i don’t think they’re

2:22:59 exempt either i know like russ your your department um hired a

2:23:04 student intern do you know where we

2:23:06 pay in a fifteen dollars an hour for students okay yeah thank

2:23:15 you i mean i figure minimum wage

2:23:17 is minimum wage i don’t know if there’s an exception because it’s

2:23:19 an on-the-job training

2:23:20 but there are exceptions for ages but at the ages that this is

2:23:24 referring to i don’t know that it

2:23:26 would apply okay thank you so no no changes that i would

2:23:29 recommend i just wanted to clarify that

2:23:31 for us and just make sure we’re doing that all right so that

2:23:34 concludes the five thousands um

2:23:38 we can begin into the six thousands if you guys want but i do

2:23:40 believe that the six thousands are

2:23:42 dealing with finances you guys may want to review them ahead of

2:23:44 time yeah i’m not ready for that if

2:23:46 you guys are not ready for that um i had a couple of things that

2:23:49 i was gonna talk about that are

2:23:51 coming up on the next agenda item just to kind of bring you guys

2:23:53 up to speed on them on the next

2:23:55 agenda but if you guys have a second do you guys wish to say

2:23:57 anything before we get out of here

2:23:59 yeah i have one thing i would like to discuss okay

2:24:04 it’s more of a question i think for paul and so i don’t know if

2:24:06 you want me to go first or you

2:24:07 want me to yeah i mean if anybody else um paul just uh as a

2:24:10 point of reference because this

2:24:12 keeps getting asked of myself um where are we at with the book

2:24:15 review committee that has been

2:24:16 brought up multiple times and i know we discussed the fact that

2:24:18 we need to go back to policy

2:24:19 changing right yeah it’s in in the works just with staff um yep

2:24:24 terra is working on it all right so

2:24:27 just um for the public to know is there any kind of expected

2:24:31 timeline so that we can convey to

2:24:33 them i don’t put those on staff but i know sorry tara she’s like

2:24:37 and i’ve been part of that answer

2:24:39 we were also waiting for state board of education rules and can

2:24:42 you clarify if they they finished

2:24:44 with their process thank you so we are awaiting the rule making

2:24:56 and clarification but that is

2:25:02 our first policy that we’ll be bringing we have to revise our

2:25:07 policy so that aligns and then

2:25:09 also get your input because in looking at that policy around

2:25:14 with parents having the

2:25:16 opportunity to object and those procedures around principles

2:25:21 informing their communities of how

2:25:23 parents can object to instructional materials we want to include

2:25:27 that all in that same policy so

2:25:28 that we bring it as well as gathering information from you at

2:25:33 the work session to things that you

2:25:35 may want specific to bevard in that process so that will be the

2:25:39 first policy we come

2:25:41 forward with you during a work session together here’s how it

2:25:44 will align with the revisions to

2:25:46 new statute but also these specific items that bevard wants to

2:25:51 add to that policy all in one

2:25:53 package okay the timeline is it will be the very first thing

2:25:58 that i’m doing it’s on my desk right

2:26:00 now okay thank you thank you guys is that okay i have a question

2:26:06 um and i might be wrong here but

2:26:09 did it when it was ceased or paused didn’t they already start

2:26:15 reviewing a book or had they

2:26:17 completed one and then it was paused they had a completed one

2:26:21 but i don’t believe any findings

2:26:24 were brought forward and so i believe that it was completed but

2:26:28 in the meantime um all of those

2:26:31 were pulled off the shelves just to be in compliance so anything

2:26:34 that has been opposed

2:26:35 okay so i guess i should have just asked a question in a

2:26:37 different way of were we in the

2:26:40 middle of a book and if we were would we have to enact the

2:26:43 previous policy that it started with

2:26:45 i think that would only apply to if we have new members of the

2:26:48 committee if we have to i haven’t

2:26:49 looked at the renewals but if we have the same five members of

2:26:51 the committee they they should

2:26:52 have completed the book and we’re ready because we canceled that

2:26:55 meeting like the right three days

2:26:56 before right and then that would just move forward so that

2:27:00 committee would their recommendation would

2:27:02 move forward right but they didn’t they didn’t meet yet but i’m

2:27:04 just saying i think what where

2:27:06 you’re getting it as soon as we approve the new policy can that

2:27:09 committee go ahead and meet like

2:27:11 as soon as we can schedule them right absolutely okay anything

2:27:17 thank you um just wanted to kind of

2:27:19 give you guys just as i spoke earlier i asked gibbs to give us

2:27:23 an expected review date for

2:27:25 these policies as they come out and just say hey staff um the

2:27:28 2000s if you guys can review them by

2:27:31 x date so that we can start kind of getting them in order we’re

2:27:34 starting to pound away at these

2:27:35 pretty good and it doesn’t mean that we have to rush them just

2:27:38 that we have a date that we know

2:27:39 on the back end because paul’s staff is actually going through

2:27:42 and making those implementations and

2:27:44 additions and all that stuff and there’s not too many of them so

2:27:47 thank you paul for for doing that

2:27:48 i appreciate it yeah the ones are coming up but uh the twos are

2:27:52 starting with the twos it goes to

2:27:54 staff so yep yeah so if we can just say hey by you know september

2:27:58 whatever if you can review these

2:28:00 policies and stuff like that um we have a poll we have a

2:28:02 presentation on athletics coming um it’s

2:28:04 one of the presentations it’s going to be really cool uh kevin’s

2:28:07 been working really hard on that

2:28:09 give him all the credit in the world and then i had two that i

2:28:11 added i just wanted to kind of

2:28:13 let you guys know about the first one is is there was some

2:28:15 conversations wrapped around

2:28:17 um going out to bid more than what we normally do and stuff like

2:28:21 that and i realized when i was

2:28:23 reviewing all of those kind of notes that we don’t have like

2:28:27 contract performance reviews that are

2:28:29 inside so like um there was a mention that like some of the

2:28:33 board members during the discussion

2:28:35 had said hey maybe we got to bid every year or something like

2:28:38 that and then staff says well we

2:28:39 can’t go out to bid every year because there is time to

2:28:42 implement there’s time to do all that

2:28:44 stuff but we get reviewed as teachers every year staff gets

2:28:47 reviewed as teachers every year there’s

2:28:49 no reason on certain contracts that we can’t do a performance

2:28:52 review every year so like if we’re

2:28:53 contracted to do x y and z that that that that department that

2:28:58 oversees that gives a review real

2:29:00 quick of hey you did perform these duties so that in the event

2:29:03 that we’re getting ready to go out to

2:29:05 rfp or something like that you have we know that this is a good

2:29:08 count you know this is somebody

2:29:09 that’s been doing a job or something like that so i kind of

2:29:12 mentioned it from a 30 000 foot view to

2:29:14 dr rindell dr rindell said hey bring it before the board in

2:29:17 seven days so i just wanted to let you

2:29:18 guys know when you see that that’s what that is um that it in a

2:29:22 discussion you put it on just these

2:29:24 are just discussions for um the next board there’s no

2:29:27 implementation we’ll just kind of bring it

2:29:29 forward discuss it and stuff like that see if we want to move

2:29:31 forward with it or not um the other

2:29:33 one is is that we ran into and miss campbell’s probably aware of

2:29:38 this um our citizen advisors

2:29:40 that sit on many of our committees um there was some

2:29:43 conversation wrapped around like this this

2:29:45 most recent one the hey we need to do background checks or

2:29:48 whatever right um aside that i realized

2:29:51 when we were talking about that that we don’t have like a strong

2:29:55 policy in place about the actions of

2:29:57 individuals while they’re on our committees right so here’s a

2:30:00 perfect example um i’m not going to

2:30:01 name any names but we used to have an insurance advisory

2:30:04 committee and on that insurance advisory

2:30:06 committee we had individuals who worked for the people that we

2:30:10 contracted directly with

2:30:12 and during those meetings were steering um leveraging themselves

2:30:16 to receive more of a

2:30:18 market share like it’s literally in there so there’s conflicts

2:30:21 of interests there’s also

2:30:24 situations where people may have like open lawsuits against us

2:30:26 and stuff like that

2:30:27 so i think that there needs to be some sort of a standards of

2:30:31 conduct or these are what we expect

2:30:33 of you that is there and those kind of qualifiers we don’t

2:30:36 really have so like when we had that

2:30:39 insurance advisory committee there was nothing saying well this

2:30:41 is a conflict of interest to

2:30:42 me to get off well actually the charter of the advisory

2:30:46 committee said but it just wasn’t

2:30:48 implemented and then as a result of that we changed the charter

2:30:51 and removed those members of

2:30:53 the committee so now it’s just but it’s our employee there’s not

2:30:57 a thing that says out of

2:30:59 everybody that’s on our committees these are the things that we

2:31:01 need to do to make sure that there’s

2:31:03 no conflicts of interest so what i’d like to do is bring forward

2:31:06 some of the ideas next week and

2:31:07 just discuss it do we want to put something like that together

2:31:10 if not feel it back and the argument

2:31:11 would be that um we have examples of stuff that’s happened

2:31:15 before on our insurance committee and i

2:31:17 think that those are some of the things that we can avoid so

2:31:19 with that i just wanted to kind of

2:31:20 give you the heads up we don’t need to talk about it now i just

2:31:22 wanted to tell you it’s coming up

2:31:23 on discussion and i’ll write a little description and stuff like

2:31:26 that for you so anybody else have

2:31:28 any other things okay with that i think it’s the end of the

2:31:38 meeting thank you very much

2:31:50 so

2:32:20 you