Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL

2020-06-10 - School Board Work Session

0:30 (upbeat music)

13:40 - Good morning, the June 10, 2020 board work session

13:43 is now called to order.

13:45 We are continuing with modifications to our workshop process

13:48 to address health and safety concerns

13:50 as a result of the COVID-19 emergency.

13:52 Today board members will assemble in the boardroom

13:55 without community attendance.

13:57 They will be available via our usual streaming channels.

14:00 Pam, roll call please.

14:02 - Mrs. McDougall. - Present.

14:04 - Mr. Susan. - Present.

14:06 - Mrs. Belford. - Present.

14:08 - Mrs. Deskevich. - Present.

14:10 - And Mrs. Campbell. - Present.

14:12 - Thank you, please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

14:18 - I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

14:21 of America and to the republic for which it stands,

14:24 one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

14:27 and justice for all.

14:33 - All right, we have several items on our agenda today

14:35 for discussion, including checking in on our progress

14:37 since we completed our self-evaluation,

14:39 identifying our annual objectives as a board for 2021.

14:42 Additionally, there are some other discussion items

14:44 that have been placed on this agenda.

14:46 We’ll go one by one, keeping track of our time

14:48 so that we can finish by 1230.

14:50 I also ask for each of you to sign the school board

14:52 working guidelines before you leave today.

14:56 If you all recall, when we wrapped up our self-evaluation,

15:00 one of the things that we discussed was a need

15:02 to kind of revisit because I think Ms. Campbell

15:04 and Ms. McDougall actually were not even aware

15:09 of the evaluation that we had done previously

15:11 and the objectives that we had set.

15:15 So at that point, I spoke with Ms. Escobar and I asked her

15:20 to put on quarterly board check-ins for us.

15:23 And I think it’s important because, you know,

15:25 we get bogged down in the work that we’re doing

15:28 each and every day, and sometimes we forget to do

15:31 what we need to do to take care of us as a team

15:33 and make sure that we’re still functioning well.

15:35 I think we certainly have seen many examples of boards

15:39 that don’t function well, and I think it hinders

15:41 their service to the community.

15:43 So I want to make sure that we’re all staying

15:45 on the same page and working toward the same goals,

15:47 addressing any issues as we go.

15:49 So the first thing that we have on the agenda this morning

15:52 is a progress check.

15:53 And that is just, how are you guys feeling?

15:56 Do you need anything?

15:57 Are there any particular issues that we need to address

16:02 before we get into establishing our objectives?

16:05 Because we did not get that done last time.

16:10 [ Inaudible ]

16:23 I’d like to move the discussion point to the active one

16:28 we’re talking about now, so that we can allow them

16:32 to give their testimony.

16:34 They’re not coming in, though, right?

16:36 No, they’re just going to be able to phone that,

16:38 give it to cell phones.

16:39 [ Inaudible ]

16:41 I just couldn’t get them to write a letter

16:43 or if you want to make something for the last time.

16:45 They can’t hear you.

16:53 [ Inaudible ]

17:05 To speak to that point, they would do that via the cell

17:08 phone, but they’re all together here and they’re in the

17:12 process of putting some other things together,

17:14 which makes it difficult for them to be available

17:16 all at the same time.

17:17 [ Inaudible ]

17:19 We have a motion.

17:20 Is there a second?

17:22 Do we usually vote at the work session?

17:25 We can’t vote on an item on the agenda, but we need guidance

17:29 as to what you all want to do as far as reordering the agenda.

17:34 Okay.

17:35 Any board members opposed to moving the AAU item up

17:38 on the agenda?

17:39 Can I ask the item a question?

17:41 Seeing that they’re on the agenda for our board meeting

17:45 on the 16th, I’m confused on why they need to speak now,

17:49 because I think there would be some discussion.

17:52 And I was on the impression that this was our check-in.

17:58 I’m just confused.

17:59 That’s all.

18:00 You know, help me understand why they need to come now

18:02 and not wait until the 16th.

18:05 So my discussion with Mr. Susan yesterday around the issue

18:08 was to have them available for questions.

18:12 Okay.

18:13 I think also my discussion when I was with Ms. Suhan,

18:17 she had mentioned that it was going to be on the agenda

18:19 and that she would be ready to answer any questions

18:21 that were going on with the multiple areas.

18:23 And one of the reasons that they are putting it on

18:26 for discussion today is because they literally are moving

18:30 at a fast pace to try to get these AAU Olympics in.

18:35 And it’s something that came up at the last minute.

18:37 They’ve been able to take advantage of a lot

18:39 of different resources and being able to discuss it

18:42 and possibly give direction to Dr. Mullins today

18:45 over whether we want to use the facility usage,

18:48 whether we want to waive fees, whether we want to use the track,

18:50 all of that stuff is part of this discussion

18:52 from what I understood.

18:53 So that’s why I asked them through the conversation

18:56 with staff, so that’s why I asked them to come

18:58 in the event that there were any questions.

19:04 So are we good with moving it to the top of the agenda?

19:07 Anyone opposed?

19:08 After the current one that we’re on.

19:10 It’s okay.

19:11 Well, progress check and board objectives,

19:13 I think, probably go together.

19:14 So I would suggest that we just go ahead and if we’re going

19:16 to move it up, let’s just do it and get it done

19:19 and then move into the rest if that’s okay with you all.

19:22 Sure. All right, Dr. Mullins, did you want to give us

19:29 an overview on this or how do you want to proceed

19:32 on that particular discussion point?

19:39 Am I working?

19:40 Okay. I can give the board a quick overview.

19:44 I’ve been in recent communication with,

19:47 of course, Mr. Susan and Mr. Buchanan, who is the vice

19:52 president of AAU, approximately Wednesday of last week.

19:57 He reached out to me.

19:59 I had inquired with the county on last Wednesday,

20:03 having been made aware of the county commission meeting

20:06 that occurred the Thursday prior that there was discussion

20:09 about moving forward with AAU.

20:12 In conversations with Mr. Buchanan, he is trying

20:16 to identify and determine what the facility needs would

20:21 be of the Junior Olympics and I believe he had a conversation

20:27 with Ms. Moore as recent as this morning to further define

20:32 what the facility needs would look like,

20:35 but I’ve not received a formal proposal as of yet

20:38 what that would look like.

20:40 He has indicated that there would be a need for a track

20:45 and two gymnasiums to host indoor events that include

20:55 baton twirling, competition, taekwondo, I believe karate.

21:03 And then if basketball, hosting basketball becomes

21:06 a necessity, I guess there’s still some question as to

21:09 whether or not Disney Wide World of Sports would be available

21:13 to host that and if not, they would have need

21:16 for additional gymnasiums to host basketball.

21:19 But I believe we’re still working through or waiting

21:23 for some definitive definition

21:26 of what a facility use would include.

21:29 There has been discussion that includes what track to utilize

21:34 and of course, consideration of the high school’s track

21:38 with required or necessary modifications

21:42 because I guess it could not host as it is in its condition

21:46 now, the games, but there has also been an inquiry

21:50 of utilizing satellite high schools track.

21:53 So they’ve not made a formal request either way.

21:57 Ms. Han has been working on what the necessities

22:02 of resurfacing Viera High School’s track would include

22:06 and the costs and so on.

22:08 I believe she’s got information ready to share

22:11 with the board this morning.

22:13 Ms. Belford, just to clarify, if you’d like, I can ask her

22:17 to patch in by phone versus in person.

22:20 So Ms. Han, you’d be prepared for us to reach out to you

22:22 at your desk ‘cause we are limiting guests

22:26 in here this morning.

22:32 - From a high level, I would say that at a high level,

22:41 there’s a board approval on Tuesday that includes a decision

22:50 on moving forward with construction

22:52 of Viera High School’s track, second, the board’s direction

22:58 on funding the modifications to Viera High’s track

23:04 if in fact, there’s direction to do the construction

23:08 and then three, there is, actually there’s four things.

23:14 Three would be the board’s direction on charging fees

23:19 for facility use by an outside organization.

23:23 In this case, AAU and then fourth, direction on the memorandum

23:29 of understanding presented by Brevard County Commission,

23:33 related to the contribution they’re prepared to make

23:39 to the resurfacing of Viera High School’s track

23:42 in the amount of $50,000.

23:44 Mr. Gibbs has done a review of the MOU and has raised

23:48 some questions and certainly some decision points

23:51 for the board as we move forward.

23:53 So I think that outlines the need for the discussion today

23:58 so that I can receive direction from the board

24:01 of what to have prepared and ready for potential

24:05 board approval on Tuesday.

24:07 We are on a very aggressive timeline so that discussion

24:12 is necessary today in preparation for Tuesday.

24:18 So Ms. Belfer, does that help?

24:20 - It does, thank you.

24:22 So I believe the first item that you addressed was

24:26 the project to resurface the Viera track.

24:30 That was your number one, right?

24:33 - Correct.

24:34 - Can I give a kind of an overview as to how–

24:37 - Real quick, didn’t someone send us the quote?

24:39 I can’t, did you send it?

24:41 - Yes, I emailed it to the board on Monday.

24:43 That was a quote.

24:44 Ms. Hahn has done some additional work since that quote,

24:49 since Monday, I believe.

24:51 Did you pass that around to the board members from Ms. Han?

24:55 - She did.

24:56 - I left it on her.

24:57 - Oh yeah, here it is.

24:58 So she’s prepared to answer questions related to some

25:02 additional costs that I’ve just made aware of this morning.

25:05 - Ms. Belfer, can I speak to the items?

25:08 So just to give you guys a heads up, how does the whole

25:12 thing came to be?

25:13 Like why are we dealing with something so quickly and what

25:15 is this on the agenda and how is all this piece working

25:17 together?

25:18 Like how does this glue come together?

25:20 On May 15th, I got a call to come real quick to a meeting

25:24 that they were putting together to discuss the possibility

25:27 of bringing the AAU Olympics to Brevard.

25:31 I listened to what the TDC chairman along with the county

25:35 commissioner and a couple other individuals had mentioned

25:38 and said, okay, I said, this has got to go to Dr. Mullins

25:41 and to our school board for approval.

25:43 And what we need to do is get them informed immediately.

25:47 So that day, an hour later, I contacted Ms. Suhan and

25:50 explained to her what was going on and reached out and made

25:53 sure that staff was aware.

25:55 Then on that Monday right after that, on the 18th, I reached

25:59 out to and talked to Dr. Mullins and just put it on his

26:02 radar and said, hey, here’s what’s kind of going.

26:04 At that time, it was an idea of trying to bring.

26:07 Now, at the same time as this happened, the city of Chicago,

26:11 the Disney, everybody had components to this whole AAU

26:15 National Olympics and they were making a buying push to do it.

26:19 So I had told Dr. Mullins and Su that based on what’s going

26:23 on, I would wait to engage until it actually makes it official

26:27 that they are coming to Brevard because right now, we don’t

26:31 know, on the 18th, we didn’t know what they needed.

26:35 Turns out that now the ask for the district is a track and a

26:39 couple of gyms. There’s also, just so you understand, almost

26:43 40 other sports coming on regionally impacting almost all

26:47 of our cities and all of the other municipalities.

26:50 So you have surfing, you have skateboarding, you have

26:54 swimming. Those are not facilities that are being used by

26:57 the school district. You have seven-on-seven football, you

27:00 have lacrosse, you have all of those other anomalies that are

27:03 happening outside of our school district. Part of the ask that

27:07 they were asking the school board to be a part of was not

27:10 only just to be a part of for the capacity but also one of

27:13 the issues that we have that’s a tremendous impact to our

27:16 schools is that our athletic budgets are decimated. So if you

27:21 have – if you call any of your coaches right now and you ask

27:24 them where are you with fundraising over this COVID, they

27:27 will tell you that that absolutely – they’re decimated

27:30 right now. And each one of these events that are inside each

27:33 one of our schools actually brings in $3 in concession for

27:37 every attendee that’s there. So if you’re talking about a

27:40 gym that’s going to be inside there hosting 10 days worth of

27:44 money and you have 10 teams in there, the impact for that gym

27:47 is anywhere between $5,000 to $10,000 of concessions over that

27:52 time. So from that perspective, it starts to look like, okay,

27:56 this is a good thing for us to do. So what they had mentioned

28:00 originally was where is the best track that you have, what’s

28:04 going on, and I said the best track that we have right now is

28:07 probably in satellite. They had mentioned that their direction

28:10 was to go towards Vieira because of the other issues – the

28:13 events that are occurring there. So what I had said was Vieira

28:17 has completed all but about $20,000 worth of fundraising to

28:21 resurface their track. So if somebody was out – was able to

28:25 come out there and say that they were able to pay for the

28:28 difference, then there might be an opportunity to resurface the

28:31 track. So the county said what is the delta difference? The

28:34 TDC offered $50,000 to finish the track. So with that said,

28:38 that then – the track then became a conversation and that’s

28:42 when the team started getting involved and the team started

28:45 making quotes and come to find out that in the middle of that

28:48 process that they had to – which was not known to the

28:51 Vieira parents, which was not known to the TDC, which was not

28:54 known to the county commissioners, is that the

28:56 surface of the track has to be redone before the resurfacing

28:59 and enhancements are there. So the actual amount that was

29:02 needed to complete the project then increased. The issue that

29:06 you have when it did that was is that now the parents have

29:10 considered to – they have consistently raised more and

29:14 more and more money to where they are now past the threshold

29:18 with the county’s addition and now they are fundraising to

29:22 actually pay and offset the extra costs that is the job of

29:26 the school district to do that. So as far as the resurfacing,

29:30 they are now still fundraising to try to get to a point where

29:33 they can help us on the other end. The whole track issue has

29:37 multiple other fingers, but I just wanted to kind of tell you

29:41 why certain things were coming and how they came to us. So I

29:45 am here for any discussion and I would really love if we could

29:49 just let the TDC and the AAU guys speak to what is going on

29:53 because I am kind of moving around and I would love to have

29:56 them give the direction, the regional impact to our economy,

29:59 which is estimated between $7 million and $9 million, 8,000

30:03 to 9,000 athletes. All that stuff is better heard from them

30:06 and put together. Is there a way, Ms. Belford, that we can

30:10 call the TDC chairman and ask him to kind of give that input?

30:14 Ms. McDougall. I have a question. If I was reading the

30:18 contract that Mr. Gibbs sent us, it looks like that we couldn’t

30:22 charge for anything. They didn’t want us to charge a fee. They

30:26 didn’t want a facility use. They didn’t want a lot of things.

30:30 So I want to make sure that, number one, we are not paying a

30:34 fee because I have several schools that have been asking

30:38 for a track for years and here we are, Vieira gets it again,

30:42 when Cocoa Beach hasn’t, Merritt Island wanted to buy back.

30:46 Let me loan money and we said no. So I want some equitability

30:51 here between districts. I get very – my Cocoa Beach people

30:56 will be up in arms. There is no doubt about it in my mind.

31:00 So I really don’t want any money spent from our budget on this.

31:05 So if the parents have fundraised it, absolutely great.

31:09 But I’m also concerned about we can’t charge fees, we can’t –

31:13 I’m hearing concession stands. That’s the first I’ve heard

31:16 about that and I’m hoping that’s allowed. But what’s in it for

31:20 us? So if I can speak – if I can speak to your equity issue,

31:25 I would love to address that because it’s an issue that I had

31:28 when this whole thing started. I would love to communicate that

31:32 piece to you. But as far as the contract and what’s been going

31:35 on, I would love to ask the TDC chairman to speak to that along

31:39 with the AAU because I don’t think it’s appropriate that I

31:42 speak to what their requirements are, if that makes any sense.

31:45 So absolutely. Can we have that TDC chairman called?

31:51 So you want Mr. Crane? Cranis. Yes.

31:56 [ Inaudible ]

32:07 I think that’s going to be Sue explaining that in a minute.

32:10 I think that the track discussion is like the third of the

32:13 things. I think we need to decide – I would have brought that

32:16 up last and we just need to decide do we want to bring – give

32:20 the AAU the opportunity to come here? Are we going to waive the

32:23 facility usage fees like the county and all the cities are in

32:26 the process of doing? And then the Viera track is another

32:29 piece. I think we get kind of mulled down in a location that

32:33 is not really essential to what today’s conversation would be,

32:37 if that makes sense. My question after that comment would be

32:41 what are our costs outside of the track? And sorry that I’m

32:49 not familiar how these things usually run, but why – economic

32:57 impact understood, but where do they traditionally hold their

33:02 junior Olympics? It’s got four locations. I’m sure that Rusty

33:07 will answer that question. And do they get it for free

33:11 everywhere they go? Two million dollars each area pays to have

33:16 the Olympics come. Yes. They pay to have them come. So they do

33:23 get it. No, that’s their number. You want to call it again? I

33:33 mean they’re outside. While we’re waiting, I can potentially

33:50 address the facility use fees. We’re in the process – prior

33:57 to any of this transpiring, I believe I’ve made the board

34:00 aware that we’ve been in the process of reevaluating our

34:05 facility use fee rate schedule, because the facility use of

34:31 red and the green surfacing. Who knows the difference between

34:38 red and green surfacing? Anybody? It’s $20,000 in

34:42 difference. Red is a common – Like why would we pay more for

34:45 green? If it was the school wanted to, they could, but

34:48 they’ve never given direction. Because of the school colors,

34:51 that’s why. Yeah, but they’re not. I think that’s an option

34:55 that they’ve given. And I think Sue would be able to explain

35:00 why there’s an extra cost. She, because of the time delay, she

35:04 wanted to bring in a contractor who see it, which created –

35:09 » Mr. Kranis, can you hear me? Mr. Kranis, can you give us an

35:21 overview of kind of how you came to be through this system as

35:27 far as bringing the AAU Olympics, but then from your

35:30 perspective, there’s some conversation wrapped around the

35:35 actual MOU. » I haven’t. » Along with if you can give

35:39 the regional impact and why the TDC is willing to bring the

35:44 money towards Vieira High School. Thank you. » Sure,

35:47 absolutely. First of all, thank you for letting me speak. I’m

35:51 sorry I can’t be there in person. And I did want to

35:54 mention that my mom was a 20-year educator in the Brevard

35:58 County School System. She retired a few years ago. So very

36:02 near and dear to my heart. I’m the executive director of the

36:06 Tourist Development Office. We’re a department of Brevard

36:09 County. So I’m a Brevard County employee. I was contacted a few

36:14 weeks ago by the AAU and attended the same meeting Mr.

36:19 Susan mentioned in terms of the opportunity to bring the junior

36:25 Olympics here, which frankly is unprecedented because most

36:29 venues have to pay a significant amount of money to have an

36:33 event of this scale there. You know, my interest really peaked

36:38 when we talk about how many athletes and parents and coaches

36:43 and others will be coming into the community and staying here,

36:49 staying in hotel rooms and rental properties and staying

36:53 here and staying in hotel rooms and rental properties and

36:57 generating, you know, everything from sales tax, tourist

37:01 development tax for the county. So it’s a huge benefit to the

37:05 community and a huge benefit to individuals who are coming here

37:10 for, you know, basically the opportunity to play in these

37:14 games, which frankly probably would not have happened because

37:18 Virginia, which was holding the games, backed out and basically

37:22 said that due to COVID they didn’t want to go forward. So I

37:27 think we have a huge opportunity here. We reached out to the

37:32 State of Florida, Florida Sports Foundation got involved. They’re

37:37 very interested and got actually the governor involved and now

37:41 the governor has been very supportive of this. What we think

37:45 it will do for the community, I mean, depending on the number

37:49 of athletes, you know, we’re estimating anywhere between three

37:54 and $8 million economic impact, anywhere from 10 to 20,000 hotel

37:59 room nights. You know, that’s happening at a time where the

38:04 tourism industry, frankly, is decimated. We were down in April

38:09 75% from the prior year. So we need something like this. This

38:14 is something that will help everybody in the community and

38:18 it will help workers. It will help with employment. It will

38:23 help businesses. So this is, you know, this is something that’s

38:27 really critical to us recovering from what we’ve been

38:31 experiencing the last several months. I’m open to answer any

38:36 other questions at this point, but I will say we brought this

38:41 to the – not only to the tourist development council,

38:45 which is very supportive and our chair Charles Malone will be

38:49 speaking, I know, in a minute from their perspective, but then

38:53 we took it to the county commission. What the county

38:57 commission is committed to is because we heard that the track

39:02 was an issue and having a state of the art track was something

39:07 that would be beneficial to the games, the CDC had approved

39:12 $50,000 from our capital facilities fund to go towards

39:16 finishing the track at Viera High School. That was also

39:20 approved by the county commission. Then an additional

39:23 amount of money was approved for some operational expenses.

39:27 Originally the amount was $50,000. During the time that we

39:31 brought it to the county commission, sheriff ivy stood up

39:35 and said, well, I have $30,000 in forfeiture funds that I need

39:39 to do something with. I would like to commit those to this

39:43 event. So $30,000 is coming from the sheriff and then another

39:47 $20,000 from our operational budget at the tourist

39:51 development office. And then additionally to that, the

39:55 request was made to be able to use county facilities to hold

39:59 these outdoor events particularly. And we asked for

40:04 up to $50,000 in fee waivers from the parks and recreation

40:10 department of the county. That was approved. So right now

40:14 that’s where we are. We know that the games are now coming.

40:20 The governor will be here tomorrow to do a press conference

40:23 at 10 o’clock at Viera Regional Park. And of course you’re all

40:27 invited to that. But we’re very excited about it. It’s a huge

40:32 economic generator. It’s a huge job generator for us. And it’s

40:36 something that we really need right now in a time post COVID

40:40 of an economic downturn. » Peter, I appreciate your

40:44 conversation and giving us an update. I think where Mrs.

40:47 McDougall was questioning is that there’s an actual MOU that

40:52 we’ve been exchanging. And Ms. McDougall, did you want to ask

40:56 that question directly to him so that I didn’t speak for you?

41:00 » Yes, I have a couple of questions. Can you refresh my

41:03 memory of when these games will be held?

41:06 » Yes. And they’re targeting the last week of July and the

41:09 first week of August. And we haven’t nailed down all the

41:14 dates yet because it really will depend on which sports will be

41:18 coming. That’s a bit fluid. So once we know that, then we’ll

41:21 be able to lock down exactly what facilities are needed and

41:24 when they’re needed by. » So what I’m hearing, which you

41:28 added up some numbers here, so I just want to make sure I

41:31 understand. So we had $50,000 towards the track. Where is the

41:35 30,000 that Sheriff Ivey is throwing in? Is that going to be

41:39 part of the track also? And then you talked about your 20,000

41:44 from the TTC budget. Is that all going towards our facility

41:48 track? » The 20,000 from our budget and

41:51 the 30,000 from the sheriff will be going to any operational

41:55 expenses that the AAU will incur in order to hold the games here.

42:01 There are a lot of expenses related to bringing in judges

42:06 and umpires, things like that. So there’s travel expenses.

42:12 There are fees that they pay some of those people. So it’s

42:17 going to offset some of their expenses, their hard costs in

42:21 terms of the operations of the games themselves.

42:24 » Okay. So looking at the MOU, it appears that we can’t charge

42:29 anything. That – and then we – you are – the commissioners

42:33 putting in a commission said they would give 50,000 towards

42:36 our track. Well, our track, if I’m looking at the figures, is

42:40 this correct, like 400,000? Is that what it is? I’m just

42:43 curious where that money is coming from. We are in a very

42:46 tight area right now, money wise, as you well know. But

42:50 on top of that, I look at my two schools that also could use a

42:55 new track, and I – this is not quite equitable. I understand

43:01 the benefit for our county. I do. I understand it. We have

43:06 been hit very hard. But at the same time, what do I tell Cocoa

43:10 Beach residents when they’ve been wanting a track forever?

43:13 What do I tell Merritt Island who couldn’t borrow money from

43:16 us and loan back like another school was able to do? I am

43:19 concerned about that. So I just want to know where we’re getting

43:24 another $350,000, and how are we going to pay for this?

43:27 Ms. McDougall, for all fairness, he is, with the TDC, the actual

43:31 amount of money that we would allocate is going to be broken

43:34 down by Ms. Han, and where that all – he doesn’t have access

43:37 to numbers. He doesn’t have access to –

43:39 I just want him to know what the ramifications are for my

43:42 district and people in my district.

43:44 And I would love to answer those questions. As I said, as

43:47 far as the equity and the tracks and all the other pieces, but I

43:51 don’t think Mr. Cranis is here for that portion of the

43:54 discussion. They made a philosophical decision to make the

43:57 era the target not for any other reason, but it has one of the

44:01 best facilities. They have the best size as far as a track, and

44:05 they also have the money that has already been raised already

44:08 in hand for the rubberization that needed to be taken place.

44:11 That was their justification behind that. And that’s it. And

44:14 so I can talk to those facts here in a minute. But, Mr.

44:18 Cranis, I was more concerned about the MOU because Ms.

44:21 McDougall was speaking directly to the MOU and some of the

44:24 concessions and stuff like that, which is a great point. Is that

44:28 more of an AAU conversation with Mr. Buchanan, or can you speak

44:32 to what the school district is allowed to collect based upon

44:36 these games?

44:37 Sure. Yeah, I can speak to the MOU because we wrote that from

44:41 our county attorney’s office. So we had our county attorney

44:45 assist us with drafting that contract, that interlocal, if

44:49 you will. We’ve done many of those. They’re very common in

44:53 terms of when we provide grant money to different entities for

44:57 capital facilities particularly. That’s how that MOU was drafted

45:01 with that intent. It’s really meant to define what the school

45:05 board is agreeing to do and then what the school board is

45:09 agreeing to do and then what the CDC is willing to do.

45:13 As far as the facility rentals, that is the request that’s in

45:20 that contract is to grant the AAU access to facilities with no

45:26 fees associated with those facility usage. That’s exactly

45:33 what the county has done as well. We approved up to $50,000

45:37 in waiver of fees for all of our parks venues that will be

45:42 utilized as part of this. That was the same. Basically we’re

45:46 doing it, so we’re asking the school board to do the same.

45:49 Ms. Daskovich, I believe you had questions for Mr. Kranos.

45:52 I need some clarification. Is there two sets of $50,000, 30

45:57 from the sheriff, 20 from the TDC, and an additional $50,000

46:01 for operational expenses or there’s just a $50,000?

46:04 Correct. There’s $50,000 that we’re providing for the track.

46:08 That comes from our capital facilities fund. Then there was

46:12 an additional ask from the AAU of another $50,000 in operational

46:18 expenses of which, as it turned out, we’re providing 20 of that

46:23 and the sheriff is providing 30.

46:25 Okay. When I was taking notes, I wrote down an extra. I had 50

46:29 for Viera, 50 in operational, and then I had 30 and 20. That

46:33 second 50 is wrong. You said some of those operational

46:37 expenses will be things like umpires and such. If we don’t

46:41 charge facility use agreements, is there a potential for any of

46:45 those funds to go towards janitorial services and things of

46:48 that nature that our district is going to have to provide?

46:51 That is definitely a possibility. I would let Mr. Buchanan speak

46:56 to that because he’s very familiar with what expenses they

47:00 typically incur and what he believes those costs are going to

47:04 be, but I’m certainly open to that.

47:07 Is anyone opposed to holding it at the satellite track if there’s

47:13 issues that we can’t work out getting the Viera track ready in

47:17 time?

47:18 That would be a Stewart Buchanan kind of conversation. We can’t

47:22 speak to him if that’s their AAU. They would have the ability to

47:26 have that as a possibility, but I think that in the event he can

47:31 explain the reason behind why they came with Viera before

47:35 satellite and everything else.

47:37 It makes sense, but if that’s the last straw and that’s what’s

47:41 holding us back ultimately from going through this, if we think

47:45 everything else is fine but we just can’t get there because the

47:49 quote’s too high, I just want to know, are they opposed to doing

47:53 it over there?

47:54 » I think they’re going to have to do it over there.

48:54 » I assume those funds would be forfeited as well.

48:57 » Yes, ma’am.

48:59 » And the other question that I had is there – in the MOU,

49:05 you’ve addressed the facility use fees, I think,

49:08 but there’s also a requirement that any time that we advertise

49:13 events,

49:16 that we would have to list the TDC as a sponsor.

49:20 Is that same requirement being passed – I guess my concern is

49:25 we’re not hosting the event.

49:27 So we don’t have control over who the AAU is listing or the

49:32 Junior Olympics

49:33 or however all of that works is listing as sponsors.

49:37 » Sure. So that also is a standard clause in our contracts with

49:40 capital facilities.

49:43 What we would ask is that a sign be posted near or in front of

49:49 the facility that was constructed,

49:52 acknowledging that in part the facility was constructed with TDC

49:56 funding.

49:58 So that’s what that clause refers to.

50:00 Again, that’s the standard clause that we do with all our

50:02 capital facilities grants.

50:04 » Okay. And then the other question that I have, the discussion

50:07 from the county commission

50:10 indicated that, if I recall correctly, Viera High School was

50:13 only short $25,000

50:18 from the cost of the track.

50:20 And Mr. Susan made a commitment at that meeting that the

50:24 district would be willing to cover

50:26 anything that – they were anticipating $25,000 in a fundraiser,

50:32 and if they fell short of that, that the district would cover

50:34 those dollars.

50:36 The MOU reads specifically that the district will be willing to

50:40 cover whatever additional dollars there are,

50:44 not just the gap in that fundraiser, correct?

50:47 » Correct.

50:49 » Okay.

50:50 » If I can speak to that, the conversation that was going back

50:52 and forth about the actual fundraiser

50:55 was that in the event that they did not make the actual

50:57 fundraiser,

50:59 the county commission was concerned about us not being able to

51:02 make it.

51:03 And that’s why they put in the Reverter Clause of the $50,000.

51:07 The intent of the conversation was not to have the school

51:10 district make up the difference

51:13 of a fundraiser for Viera. That would never be.

51:15 So if that was communicated, I apologize for that.

51:18 What it was is there was a hang up over how much money was

51:19 already in hand for this fundraiser.

51:23 And the fundraiser was supposed to finish out on July 15th, and

51:25 so everybody was moving so fast.

51:27 And the question was, is if we only have $10,000 in right now

51:30 from the fundraiser,

51:32 can you get to the final fundraiser at the $25,000?

51:35 The conversation was there might be an opportunity that the

51:37 school itself may be able to pay for that,

51:40 not the district. And I apologize if that was communicated that

51:43 way.

51:44 Viera High School has internal athletic funds that they can use

51:47 in the event that they wanted to make up a gap.

51:50 And that would be up to them again, not myself, but the school

51:53 district to communicate and do those things.

51:55 So that was the conversation.

51:57 Since then, the Viera Crust Eat My Crust 5K has not only hit

51:59 their mark,

52:01 but they’ve now exceeded it and they’re into the green– they’re

52:03 into the other side.

52:05 So that’s no longer a moot conversation.

52:07 They’re also extending it to July 1st instead of being June 15th.

52:12 They’re bringing the funds, if we approve, to do this down to

52:14 the school district so that they can move forward.

52:18 And then they’re going to fundraise from here for the rest of

52:20 the time

52:21 to offset the cost of the actual other expenses that have been

52:24 incurred.

52:26 So I apologize if it sounded like the school district would do

52:28 that because that was not the intent.

52:31 I just want to say that internal school funds sometimes, when

52:33 they have them, they’ll make up that gap.

52:36 So if I could clarify that piece.

52:39 » Ms. King.

52:40 » Ms. Belfort, I don’t necessarily have a question for our

52:42 guest,

52:43 but I just would like to make a comment on what we’re talking

52:45 about right now.

52:47 Is it– I’d really love to hear from Ms. Han sooner rather than

52:49 later.

52:50 But it concerns me greatly that we have this MOU with the clause

52:53 that says,

52:54 “If we don’t get it done, this doesn’t happen.”

52:57 If that was the wrong hook for the $50,000, when we’re– like if

53:01 we vote on Tuesday, I looked at the calendar.

53:03 The six weeks, that’s all there is.

53:06 You know, the six weeks puts us out, I believe, to July the 28th

53:09 or somewhere in that window.

53:12 There’s no leeway.

53:14 And we’re in the rainy season and hurricane season and I just am

53:18 not super comfortable with the idea

53:22 of signing ourselves to that commitment of that particular track

53:25 and expending those funds with so little wiggle room.

53:30 So I’d really love to hear from Ms. Han so we can– ‘cause we

53:33 have a lot of really important– this is important.

53:35 We have a lot of really important things I don’t want to get sidetracked

53:37 off of.

53:39 I mean, I’m willing to stay till whenever, maybe with a short

53:41 lunch break.

53:42 But I would like us to keep moving through this if we can.

53:47 » Can we answer Ms. McDougall?

53:50 » Mr. Kranus, the question was on the table.

53:53 We want– if we want– one of the main points in this discussion

53:56 is that our athletic budgets,

53:58 which have been decimated from not being able to fundraise and

54:00 quite frankly,

54:01 they’re not even sure if they can even host some of the

54:03 operational things that they’re supposed to do.

54:06 They’re looking for the concessions, parking, those kind of

54:08 things.

54:10 And Ms. McDougall raised a great point that if in the event we’re

54:13 not able to get those funds,

54:16 then the argument that this is helping our athletic programs is

54:20 moot.

54:21 Is it the intent of the TDC and the AAU to not give us the

54:24 concessions

54:26 or the parking and those kind of externalities?

54:28 Can you speak specifically to that because I think that’s the

54:30 question that we’ve been asking?

54:33 Or if Mr. Buchanan–

54:34 » Yeah, I mean, I think honestly, I think that’s a question

54:37 Beth asked of Mr. Buchanan.

54:40 We obviously, as a TDC, we’re, you know, a local organization.

54:44 We would be happy for revenue to be generated to the local

54:48 schools from this.

54:51 But ultimately, Mr. Buchanan and the AAU control the gains and

54:54 would be the one to respond to that question.

54:58 » Can we ask before Ms. Suhan comes on just rusty to give us

55:01 those quick answers?

55:04 Is that OK?

55:05 Can we do that?

55:06 I know that we’re trying to push through but that– to me, that’s

55:08 a huge deal.

55:09 Like if we’re not getting the concessions and we’re not getting

55:11 those kind of things,

55:12 then I can’t make an argument why to impact our entire schools.

55:16 Does that make sense to you?

55:17 » Do we have any additional questions for Mr. Cranis before we

55:19 transition to Mr. Buchanan for two questions?

55:22 Thank you for your time, Mr. Cranis.

55:24 Is Mr. Buchanan available?

55:26 » Thank you very much.

55:27 I believe he is and I think the phone number is–

55:32 » Mr. Cranis, don’t repeat rusty cell phone over the phone.

55:36 This is being streamed live.

55:37 We’re going to call him.

55:38 We have his phone number.

55:39 Thank you.

55:40 » OK, perfect, perfect.

55:41 Thank you very much.

55:42 I appreciate your time.

55:43 » Thank you.

55:44 » Thank you, Peter.

56:13 » Ms. Rusty?

56:14 » Hi, Mr. Buchanan.

56:15 This is Ms. Steve Alford, the chair of the school board.

56:17 Thank you so much for joining us this morning.

56:19 » Oh, no, I appreciate– I appreciate you guys kind of

56:21 squeezing this in.

56:23 Thank you so much for listening.

56:24 » Absolutely.

56:25 So we have two quick questions for you.

56:27 Ms. Duskovich, do you want to repeat your question regarding the

56:30 operational funds going towards janitorial?

56:33 » Or you can just–

56:35 » So, Mr. Buchanan, one of the questions that came up was in

56:35 lieu of the request for us to waive our–

56:40 of the request for us to waive our facility use fees.

56:44 Would there be a consideration on your part of the 50,000 that

56:47 you all are getting for operational costs

56:52 for some of that to be allocated toward our district expenses

56:55 for additional janitorial services, et cetera?

57:00 » Well, what I would say is certainly janitorial services are a

57:03 key component.

57:05 For it to be a good deal needs to be a good deal for everyone.

57:08 But I was listening out here in the courtyard to your

57:11 conversations and absolutely we would pay janitorial stuff.

57:15 I mean that’s an expense, that’s an operating expense and I

57:16 would not want the district to have to bear any of that burden.

57:21 As far as concession goes, absolutely, 100% concessions belong

57:25 back to whichever schools that we decide we can use in this.

57:29 And I have had some very good conversation.

57:31 I didn’t have a nice conversation supporting with Chris Moore

57:33 trying to walk through what those possible needs would look like.

57:37 I will give you a little update if you’d like.

57:39 And as far as parking, traditionally no one is ever charged for

57:42 parking with this event other than some of the big convention

57:46 centers that this event typically goes to.

57:49 So yes, that would be a revenue source for the schools as well.

57:54 So yes, we would pay for custodial.

57:57 Yes, you get the concessions and yes, if you wanted to charge

57:59 for parking at those schools, that’s certainly not an issue.

58:03 And if you’ll just bear with me for just one minute and let me

58:06 just tell you why I’m even here.

58:09 Everybody’s got their own reasons.

58:11 I know Peter and Giles are here because of the economic impact

58:14 that this would have.

58:16 This event started in 1967, Hubert Humphrey started the Junior

58:19 Olympic Games, everybody’s probably heard of them.

58:22 And it’s traditionally gone to big cities, Houston, Detroit,

58:26 Greensboro, and those cities pay an exorbitant amount of money

58:30 in a bid fee.

58:32 The cash and amenities package just to get the games in their

58:35 community is around a million dollars.

58:38 And they typically have an operating budget of three or four

58:40 million dollars.

58:42 And they have two or three years to prepare for this.

58:46 But what happened was as Virginia Beach and Norfolk State said

58:51 we’ve got concerns over our venues and our governor’s office not

58:56 being supportive, we don’t think we can do this.

59:00 So the option was do nothing and allow this whole program to not

59:06 go forward for a year, piecemeal it out to different places

59:10 around the country, or try to do something.

59:14 And let me just, if you’ll bear with me one minute, I’ve been

59:17 involved in sports my whole life.

59:20 Prior to the Atlanta Olympic Games, we did the torch run through

59:23 the state of Florida and we coordinated that.

59:26 And President Bush sent me a very nice letter afterwards and he

59:29 said, you know, sports is such a key component to young kids’

59:32 lives.

59:34 We learn through sports life lessons. We learn teamwork, sportsmanship,

59:38 fair play, goal setting, hard work, and reward.

59:42 They may not be professional athletes, but they’ll be

59:44 professionals at something, and those sports lessons will serve

59:47 them well in their adult life.

59:49 And for almost 25, 30 years now, that had kind of been my mantra.

59:56 Sports is a tool for our children.

59:58 Well, I’ve done a lot of work with the United States State

1:00:00 Department in diplomatic sports missions. I did one in

1:00:03 Afghanistan in 2012.

1:00:05 Two years ago I did one to the Republic of Kosovo.

1:00:08 And I’m talking with the Prime Minister of Kosovo, and I’m

1:00:11 trying to be as intelligent as I can and smart as I can and talk

1:00:15 about these life lessons through sport.

1:00:18 And he stopped me and he said, you know, sports has a unique

1:00:20 platform to literally change the world because when kids are

1:00:24 playing sports, they don’t see their differences, they see the

1:00:27 sport.

1:00:28 He said, read Nelson Mandela and change your mantra that sports

1:00:31 through children have the ability to change the world generationally.

1:00:36 So my motivation is a little different. I get a paycheck from

1:00:40 the AAU every two weeks.

1:00:42 I need to be trying to cram what is a two-year process with a

1:00:45 lot of money into something like this.

1:00:49 But I felt it was at least my mission to reach out and see, did

1:00:51 I have solid partners that thought that this opportunity come

1:00:55 together in Brevard?

1:00:57 It did once before. In 1996, we moved it here after Houston had

1:01:01 some issues.

1:01:03 So I’m back in the mix, not because I want to be, but I feel

1:01:05 like I probably have to be, so I did reach out and said, I can’t

1:01:09 do this by myself.

1:01:11 I asked the tourist development council and they said, we’re all

1:01:13 in, we’ll support it.

1:01:15 I went to the Board of County Commissioners and said, we’re all

1:01:17 in, we’ll support it.

1:01:19 The sheriff, we’re all in, we’ll support it.

1:01:21 And a piece of this that we haven’t really talked about is the

1:01:23 Sunshine State Games, which brings the governor’s component into

1:01:27 that.

1:01:28 There will be opportunity for all of our kids locally to compete

1:01:32 in the AAU Junior Olympic Games without having to qualify.

1:01:38 And that part’s going to be managed by the Sunshine State Games,

1:01:40 so we got the buy-in from the governor.

1:01:43 So I appreciate you indulging me at least why I’m here.

1:01:48 I sure don’t need this headache, but I felt it was my mission to

1:01:51 at least see if it was possible and it’s doable.

1:01:56 What would my ask be? We need a track.

1:01:59 Viera would be perfect. It would be a beautiful place. It would

1:02:03 be the absolute pinnacle of a brand new facility.

1:02:07 But our track and field committee and some other folks said, you

1:02:10 know, what if it’s not ready, what if it rains, what if it’s –

1:02:12 we need a fallback.

1:02:14 We need a number two spot. Yes, we did look at satellite.

1:02:17 And if Viera, for some reason, were not ready or the funding did

1:02:20 not work, satellite is a possibility.

1:02:24 And as I think Mr. Susan said, we’re also looking at maybe Holy

1:02:28 Trinity or MCC.

1:02:30 We’d prefer to use satellite because we’d like those funds that

1:02:34 we mentioned to go back to those partners with the school board.

1:02:39 We do need gymnasiums. And Dr. Mullen spoke about the

1:02:42 possibility of bringing basketball.

1:02:45 It has not been formally announced yet, but the summer national

1:02:48 championships in basketball

1:02:52 that are traditionally at ESPN Wide World of Sports will be

1:02:54 displaced because the NBA is moving in there.

1:02:58 So we have an opportunity to bring in an additional component of

1:03:01 basketball.

1:03:03 And when I spoke on the phone this morning with the facilities

1:03:06 folks,

1:03:07 we did say that the ask would potentially include some gymnasiums

1:03:10 for basketball, maybe four or five for four or five days.

1:03:15 So our total ask from the school board would be a track.

1:03:20 And then gymnasiums, depending on how we do the schedule and

1:03:24 what was available,

1:03:27 we have not even began to go through that process yet.

1:03:30 But it would be anywhere from four to seven gymnasiums for

1:03:34 somewhere between five to seven days.

1:03:39 And of course, obviously, we would ask you guys to partner with

1:03:42 us just like everyone else has.

1:03:45 So I appreciate your indulging me, but that’s kind of my reason

1:03:49 for being here and answering your two questions.

1:03:54 Thank you, Mr. Buchanan. I have one additional question for you.

1:03:57 Do you all charge entry fees for people attending the games?

1:04:01 There is an entry fee. Traditionally, that has gone back to the

1:04:05 support committee that’s hosting the event for their operational

1:04:08 expenses.

1:04:10 Because this is kind of a combination between Sunshine State

1:04:14 games and the AAU, we’ve not really discussed how that division

1:04:19 would work.

1:04:21 But typically, those dollars go back just into the operations of

1:04:24 whatever sports committee is putting on that event.

1:04:28 And they are tremendous expenses. The timing equipment alone for

1:04:32 this event is $20,000 to rent.

1:04:36 That’s the – I mean, it’s just insane the amount of expenses

1:04:39 involved with this.

1:04:41 Thank you, Mr. Buchanan. Do any additional board members have

1:04:44 questions for Mr. Buchanan?

1:04:46 All right. Thank you so much for taking the time out to answer

1:04:47 our questions today.

1:04:49 We appreciate it, Mr. Buchanan. Have a great day.

1:04:52 Thank you.

1:04:53 Board members, is it your wish to have Ms. Han answer questions

1:04:56 on funding at this point?

1:04:59 Yes, please.

1:05:00 Thank you, Ms. Eskemar.

1:05:19 Thank you.

1:05:38 No routes found.

1:05:40 [ Inaudible ]

1:06:04 I’ve been in conversation with Mr. Buchanan about that and I

1:06:06 have more information I need to share with the board.

1:06:09 Yeah. But I have – well, I need – that’s the other piece that

1:06:13 I have for this whole thing.

1:06:16 [ Inaudible ]

1:06:35 Hi.

1:06:36 Hello, Ms. Han. Thank you for joining us.

1:06:38 Board members, I had some questions for you regarding the track

1:06:42 situation at Viera.

1:06:44 I think Ms. Campbell, you were the one to initially request –

1:06:47 Yeah. I just – if you could just – the email that was printed

1:06:51 and given to us with the most recent quote,

1:06:55 and then just if you could speak to the timing concerns.

1:06:59 Yes, ma’am. If you don’t mind, I’d like to walk through that

1:07:02 email and just kind of give you the perspective

1:07:05 on how we got to this particular proposal from Morton Smith.

1:07:10 As you know, this is a super tight schedule.

1:07:12 So I think the project initially started with, hey, what does it

1:07:15 cost to rubberize the track?

1:07:17 And so there was some numbers floating around in the $200,000

1:07:20 range.

1:07:21 However, as we started to look at the current condition of the

1:07:24 track,

1:07:25 it makes absolutely no sense to rubberize the track given its

1:07:28 current condition.

1:07:30 The track was rated fair back in 2018.

1:07:33 However, there’s recently been a sprinkler break that affected

1:07:38 the track surface, so it’s had to be patched.

1:07:41 So that – the track is not – it is in a condition where we

1:07:48 should not be rubberizing the surface

1:07:50 without resurfacing the track.

1:07:53 So given that, we were talking about how we could actually

1:07:56 implement this project in such a quick timeframe.

1:08:01 And in my professional opinion, the only way to really do that

1:08:04 is to engage Morton Smith, who is already on site.

1:08:09 They’re doing the Viera High School facility renewal project.

1:08:13 So we asked them to develop a proposal to actually execute the

1:08:18 project as a design builder.

1:08:22 In that way, they are bringing in the designer, who we actually

1:08:25 need to do design plans for the resurfacing

1:08:29 and the rubberization so that there is a standard against which

1:08:31 the performance of the subcontractors are measured.

1:08:36 So we’ll need design drawings for that. We also need design

1:08:38 drawings for permitting.

1:08:40 So that is incorporated into their proposal as part of their

1:08:43 work as a design builder.

1:08:46 There is a component in the proposal to resurface the track.

1:08:50 So that is a milling where basically you chew up the existing

1:08:53 asphalt and you lay down a new surface.

1:08:56 There is a component then that is to rubberize the track.

1:09:00 There are two different proposals for rubberizing the track.

1:09:04 You’ll see those on pages three and four.

1:09:07 Page three’s proposal is cheaper. That is a pervious surface,

1:09:11 meaning that water can seep through the surface.

1:09:14 Page four, that is an impervious surface. It’s about $60,000

1:09:18 more.

1:09:20 That is a better, long-lasting solution, but it also takes a

1:09:24 little bit longer to get that second impervious coding done on

1:09:28 the track.

1:09:30 So either solution will work. From a long-term maintenance

1:09:34 perspective, that initial investment of $60,000 up front,

1:09:38 if we can do it within the time frame, is a better long-term

1:09:40 solution.

1:09:42 Both proposals offer a five-year warranty. So either way we go

1:09:46 on the rubberization offers a five-year warranty.

1:09:50 So the proposal from Morton Smith is a not to exceed proposal.

1:09:54 It’s kind of a standard proposal similar to what you see for our

1:09:58 other construction projects.

1:10:00 It includes the resurfacing, the rubberization, and then the

1:10:03 normal and customary project management expenses.

1:10:10 Included in that proposal is some temporary protection in the

1:10:13 event that there’s light rain,

1:10:17 but I am also concerned if we have a significant amount of

1:10:20 rainfall in the next six weeks, that certainly is going to

1:10:23 impact our ability to deliver the track,

1:10:26 which causes me to share the Board’s concern about the $50,000

1:10:30 Reverter Clause.

1:10:32 I think once we make the commitment to do the track, that $50,000

1:10:36 needs to be part of the equation

1:10:39 because we can’t control the weather any more than the CDC can

1:10:41 control the weather,

1:10:43 and we have made that commitment to provide the track within the

1:10:46 best of our abilities,

1:10:48 and we have essentially stood up the team to be able to deliver

1:10:52 this in the time that the AAU needs the track completed.

1:10:57 In terms of the funding, my understanding as of today is we have

1:11:01 about $210,000 available to us.

1:11:05 That includes $143,000 that the school has raised, an additional

1:11:10 $17,000 in commitments from the high school’s fundraising arm,

1:11:16 and then the $50,000 from the CDC.

1:11:19 My understanding is that there’s ongoing fundraising, so there

1:11:22 may be additional resources,

1:11:24 but in terms of where we stand today, that feels to me like the

1:11:26 commitment that’s available.

1:11:29 So if we’re working from an estimate of doing the impervious

1:11:34 track of about $500,000,

1:11:38 that leaves us with about $290,000 that would fall on the school

1:11:42 district.

1:11:44 So in looking at our cash flow abilities, I can support that

1:11:49 investment based on previously allocated capital funds to

1:11:53 Facilities Department.

1:11:56 Now, this time of year, I typically will save my capital

1:11:58 resources in the event that I have facilities issues that come

1:12:03 up

1:12:04 that need to be addressed, usually as part of our construction

1:12:07 projects,

1:12:08 and you’ll see some of those on your agenda for June 16th, where

1:12:12 we – and when we get into our facility projects,

1:12:15 there’s something that happens, and we need to put $100,000 or $200,000

1:12:18 towards a project.

1:12:20 So I have the cash flow available to be able to support that.

1:12:26 From the perspective of actually funding the plan to fund the

1:12:28 project,

1:12:29 I had looked at the capital outlay worksheet that we discussed

1:12:32 at the board workshop a week or so, a couple weeks ago.

1:12:37 I believe that Pam handed a copy out to you, and our plan was

1:12:41 for the anticipated $500,000 coming into the school district

1:12:48 over the 96% collection rate that we would first allocate

1:12:52 resources towards the O’Gally locker room AC project.

1:12:57 In looking at the proposal for that project and talking with our

1:12:59 contractor, we are not going to be able to execute that project

1:13:05 quickly because it involves tearing out ceilings, and there’s a

1:13:08 lot of work that really can’t be done when school is in session,

1:13:11 coupled with what I understand to be about a 12-week material

1:13:17 lead time. So I won’t need the cash for the O’Gally locker room

1:13:20 project for quite some time, and therefore I can support the

1:13:24 track if the board chooses to move forward with this,

1:13:30 with my current cash available, and then as the revenue comes in

1:13:35 for next year, I’ll be able to execute the O’Gally project as

1:13:39 well.

1:13:40 So that would be the funding plan to basically insert this track

1:13:45 project into the mix for the capital allocation out of next year’s

1:13:50 budget,

1:13:51 but I do have the cash flow to support it this year if the board

1:13:53 would like to move forward with it.

1:13:56 » Can I–

1:13:57 » Board members have additional questions for Ms. Han.

1:13:59 » Can I– real quick.

1:14:00 » Are you questioning or are you getting additional information?

1:14:02 » Ms. Han.

1:14:03 » Okay.

1:14:04 » Ms. Han, in your indication–

1:14:06 » Yes, sir.

1:14:07 » I think a lot of us, including me, don’t ever want to put the

1:14:11 district in a position where we’re on the hook for $50,000 that,

1:14:15 you know,

1:14:17 because we didn’t get across the finish line. In your

1:14:18 conversation with Wharton Smith, what is their level of

1:14:22 confidence that they could get this project done?

1:14:26 » The level of confidence is very high other than the weather.

1:14:30 So if we have significant weather events, that’s– we won’t make

1:14:35 it.

1:14:36 And I just want to be brutally honest about that and I feel, you

1:14:40 know, a little bit uncomfortable taking that risk on–

1:14:43 fully on the school board side based on the fact that this

1:14:46 project has come to us so late in the game.

1:14:50 This is really the only way to get it done and we’ve got the

1:14:53 team in place to do it, Mr. Stusen,

1:14:56 but if there’s significant weather where they can’t work on the

1:14:59 track, that will impact our ability to deliver the track.

1:15:05 » Thank you, Ms. Han. I’m finished. Thank you.

1:15:07 » I have a question.

1:15:08 » Ms. Deskovich.

1:15:10 » Ms. Han, can you tell me a couple of things? I’m pretty sure

1:15:13 I know the answer but I just want to be sure.

1:15:16 The quote that we received from AstroTurf Corporation was around

1:15:19 200,000 and that’s because we– they didn’t–

1:15:23 which is strange. Did they go out and not realize that the track

1:15:25 underneath was in bad shape?

1:15:28 Why is that one 200,000 and Wharton Smith is 400,000? That’s the

1:15:31 question number one.

1:15:33 » Well, if you look at the Wharton Smith proposal on page three,

1:15:38 the rubberized track surface is about 200,000.

1:15:44 So it is just the quote– the subcontractor quote to do the

1:15:48 rubberization.

1:15:50 » Okay. I just wanted to clarify and make that– make sure that

1:15:53 was a true statement before we moved ahead on some of this.

1:15:57 The next question is, is the satellite high track impervious or

1:16:02 which one of these quotes,

1:16:04 the 423 or the 493 closely resembles what satellite high has?

1:16:09 » I would have to tell you I don’t know at this point. I

1:16:11 anticipated someone would ask that question

1:16:14 and I just did not have a chance to run it down this morning.

1:16:17 » Can I speak to that real quick? I can–

1:16:19 » Sure.

1:16:20 » So your satellite, as far as impervious and non-impervious, I’m

1:16:22 not sure,

1:16:23 but the satellite track is what’s known as a latex finish. What

1:16:27 Vieira was saving for is a polyurethane finish.

1:16:29 And the reason for that is, is that the reconditioning, kind of

1:16:31 what astronauts going through,

1:16:34 process is much more expensive on the back end for your latex

1:16:37 finish.

1:16:39 So they were raising the extra amount that they needed to get to

1:16:41 the polyurethane.

1:16:43 » Okay. And the polyurethane makes it impervious. That would

1:16:45 make sense.

1:16:46 » I don’t know. No, no, no. I don’t know the difference between

1:16:47 impervious or pervious.

1:16:49 Like that piece I don’t know. But I do know that the finish that

1:16:52 they were going to is replica of some of the college, school,

1:16:55 everything else.

1:16:57 So they wanted that higher piece. There was another conversation

1:16:59 where you spoke to the difference in the quotes.

1:17:05 So there’s a little bit of a difference is that Ms. Han, and

1:17:08 rightfully so, wanted to bring in a general contractor to

1:17:11 oversee it

1:17:13 so that she could get the project in the amount of time.

1:17:17 That quote that you had from that company is them working as the

1:17:20 general contractor.

1:17:22 Meaning that they would come in, they would do the work and

1:17:23 everything else.

1:17:25 So your original quote is like roughly around $200,000 and the

1:17:28 milling and all that stuff is 134.

1:17:31 And they do tracks everywhere else, but they have not done a

1:17:34 track this fast before.

1:17:36 So I think Ms. Han, rightfully so, brought Wharton Smith in,

1:17:38 which increased the amount of cost.

1:17:41 But it was so that we could solidify it.

1:17:44 So if you’re looking at the difference between the two quotes, I

1:17:47 think that part of it is, is that rightfully so,

1:17:50 Ms. Suhan brought in Wharton Smith to try to solidify it as

1:17:53 strong because they’re a great partner of ours

1:17:56 and they can get the project done, if that makes sense to you.

1:17:58 » It does. So Ms. Han, my next question is are you–

1:18:02 I can’t remember if you were in your position when we put the

1:18:04 satellite track in.

1:18:06 But how much did the district– because I think it’s important

1:18:09 because of the things Ms. McDougall brought up,

1:18:12 that it’s equitable. How much did the district put in towards

1:18:17 the satellite track originally and then through matching funds?

1:18:21 Do you know that and do you know the breakout of that?

1:18:24 » Let’s see. The school, I believe, chipped in about 73,000,

1:18:30 satellite high track club, 45,000,

1:18:35 City of Indian Harbor, 5,000, Delora, 5,000. The SIP matching

1:18:43 funds, they went through that process which is in the fall.

1:18:46 So it’s not timely enough for this particular project. It was

1:18:49 about 25,000.

1:18:52 City of Satellite Beach contributed 30,000. So it was a

1:18:57 community investment as well.

1:19:03 » But did the district resurface because a good portion of this

1:19:06 new quote is resurfacing.

1:19:08 And I feel like I remember when we did this that the district

1:19:10 said they were going to pay for the resurfacing

1:19:13 because that was maintenance to what was there.

1:19:15 But then the community, et cetera, needed to come up with what

1:19:18 it was to rubberize it

1:19:20 because the district wasn’t going to take that on because it

1:19:22 wasn’t equal to the other.

1:19:24 So–

1:19:25 » Yes, that is correct. We paid for the resurfacing.

1:19:30 » And in every case that we’ve ever done with any enhancement,

1:19:33 it has never been upon the responsibility of the school

1:19:36 to pay for the enhancement piece like that. We’ve always given

1:19:39 the base.

1:19:40 So we’ve always– so like satellite was 100 and it actually was

1:19:43 about $30,000 less

1:19:46 because they have the latex as opposed to the polyurethane.

1:19:49 And– but when I talked to Coach Butler about it because this

1:19:52 was–

1:19:53 I mean I literally tried to do as much, you know, ‘cause of

1:19:55 equity, I wanted to know all the questions.

1:19:57 He said they raised inwards of about $176,000 and that the

1:20:00 district took care of the rest of it.

1:20:02 But if you remember, there was also the expansion of two extra

1:20:04 lanes there.

1:20:06 There was extra work that was needed.

1:20:08 And I don’t know that exact number of the delta that the

1:20:11 district paid for but just like Suhan– Ms. Han said–

1:20:14 » I’m trying to compare apples to apples.

1:20:16 » Sure.

1:20:17 » Like we can’t give Viera $190,000.

1:20:19 » That’s a molotov.

1:20:20 » You have that information, Doctor?

1:20:21 » Yeah, we went back to the board agenda item and the board

1:20:25 committed an additional–

1:20:28 in addition to the school initiated project matching funds which

1:20:31 was 25,000,

1:20:33 the board approved an additional $25,000 that came from the

1:20:36 federally connected allocation

1:20:39 that have been set aside for special projects.

1:20:41 So the board contribution to that–

1:20:44 » But that– not to interrupt you but I do want to be clear on

1:20:46 that.

1:20:47 That was allocated funds that each individual board member had

1:20:51 to spend on our schools.

1:20:54 I know that sounds probably different to the public but the

1:20:57 board as a whole did not approve

1:20:59 that 25,000 going to satellite high track.

1:21:02 I chose to take the funds that– and I don’t want to get into

1:21:04 semantics here

1:21:06 but there’s a difference there because every board member here

1:21:08 besides the two that weren’t here

1:21:10 but that every board seat here spent that same amount of money

1:21:13 and chose where to spend it

1:21:16 if I would have chose to upgrade the gym or, you know, put more

1:21:20 workstations in,

1:21:22 satellite would not have gotten that 25,000 towards the track.

1:21:25 So sorry to interrupt you but I know there’s people watching

1:21:27 right now.

1:21:28 » Sure. No, I’m just going by the board agenda minutes that

1:21:30 were–

1:21:31 » That’s just a back story information.

1:21:34 I don’t– I just don’t feel like in my apples to apples at that

1:21:36 25,000 is apples that the board

1:21:39 as a whole said we want to take district general fund–

1:21:42 general capital funds and take them over.

1:21:44 » It was very clearly specific funds from that designated pot

1:21:48 of money,

1:21:49 that is– that’s my understanding as well.

1:21:51 » OK.

1:21:52 » And those pieces as we move forward were to make up the delta

1:21:55 to get to the rubberization portion

1:21:58 of it, not to pay for what the milling in the surface was done.

1:22:02 » So the question is do you, Dr. Mullins or Ms. Han, if you’re

1:22:04 still on it,

1:22:05 know what the cost is to repave it before– because the district

1:22:08 paid for that for satellite.

1:22:11 » I believe– Ms. Han, are you still on the phone?

1:22:13 » I believe that’s the 130,000, 40,000 milling and reserve–

1:22:16 asphalt resurfacing.

1:22:18 Did I say million?

1:22:19 » That’s–

1:22:20 » 130,000.

1:22:21 » I know what you meant.

1:22:22 » OK.

1:22:23 » So, 130,000 for satellite, 190 is what you need for on top–

1:22:27 » Hold on.

1:22:28 » But can we count the 50,000?

1:22:30 » If I could interrupt you just to be clear.

1:22:33 The 134,000 in the Wharton-Smith proposal is the subcontractor

1:22:36 bid.

1:22:37 So, you would need to add on top of that all of the general

1:22:40 condition costs, bonds,

1:22:42 insurance and things like that.

1:22:44 So, top of my head, that’s probably in the 160,000, 170,000

1:22:49 dollar range fully burdened.

1:22:52 The satellite track, we paid 205,000 for the resurfacing and

1:22:55 then we added the two lanes

1:22:58 as Mr. Susan stated and that was funded by the school at 73,600.

1:23:07 » So, we’d be comparing the 205,000 to the 190, is that– does

1:23:10 that make sense?

1:23:12 Does everyone else see it that way or is it–

1:23:14 » And I did want to make it known that Viera did not ask when

1:23:17 they were–

1:23:19 when they were fundraising, they did not ask to use the district

1:23:22 match

1:23:23 which was afforded to satellite also.

1:23:25 Those families raised that extra.

1:23:27 So, when you look at the 50,000 dollar revert clause, 25 of that

1:23:31 normally,

1:23:32 if this was under normal conditions, they would have applied for

1:23:34 under the same auspice.

1:23:37 That’s all.

1:23:38 » Ms. Han, when you told me the funding originally, you said

1:23:42 143 Viera raised

1:23:45 and then I– the next one I got was 50,000 TDC but there was a

1:23:48 number in between there.

1:23:50 I didn’t catch that.

1:23:52 » There’s– I’ve understood Mr. Susan, perhaps you can speak to

1:23:55 this,

1:23:56 that there was another 17,000 that was raised by one of the

1:23:59 community partners to Viera High School.

1:24:03 » I– yes.

1:24:04 » In talking with Ms. Robinson.

1:24:06 » Ms. Robinson asked at an earlier date what the fundraiser was

1:24:10 and at that time,

1:24:12 it was 10,000 which made up 143,000.

1:24:16 Since then, yesterday, I asked Mike Acosta what the input was

1:24:20 for how much money

1:24:22 and they said they had now succeeded in delivering the 25,000

1:24:26 dollars total.

1:24:28 So, if you’re looking at what you see there, add another 17,000

1:24:31 dollars to that

1:24:33 and that’s where– so you add your 143 plus the 50 plus the 17

1:24:36 and that will cover the rubberization.

1:24:39 And I’ll just be honest with you, the fundraiser hasn’t finished

1:24:43 and the ultimate biggest portion of a fundraiser is the last

1:24:45 seven days.

1:24:47 So, there’s some other components to this, both Rockledge High

1:24:49 School is trying to get this track also

1:24:51 because they’re going to use it as a fundraising source.

1:24:54 There’s a community effort behind this, stuff that I wanted to

1:24:56 talk to.

1:24:57 But when you’re talking about them raising the money by

1:24:59 themselves for this,

1:25:02 they’ve made the delta for the rubberization minus the 50,000

1:25:05 dollars.

1:25:07 I would almost argue if given another two weeks, they could get

1:25:09 that 50,000 dollars too.

1:25:11 But they’re just working to try to get to that resurfacing.

1:25:14 That’s all.

1:25:15 » That’s all the questions I have right now, Ms. Belford.

1:25:17 » Ms. Belford.

1:25:19 » I’m just taking a look at our capital outlay worksheet, Ms.

1:25:22 Hand,

1:25:23 that we discussed at our workshop, our capital budget workshop.

1:25:28 And I’m seeing that we had five high school track resurfacing

1:25:33 projects listed there.

1:25:36 Four don’t have the condition astronaut has poor.

1:25:39 The four being Cocoa Beach, O’Gally, Mill High and Rockledge.

1:25:42 Are those failed tracks?

1:25:45 » Yes, ma’am.

1:25:46 » OK. So, here’s my concern board is that we’re talking about,

1:25:49 you know,

1:25:51 Ms. Hand says she has the money if we, you know, want to go this

1:25:57 direction,

1:25:59 because of the O’Gally locker room situation not being able to

1:26:00 be done this summer,

1:26:02 you know, pushing that off.

1:26:04 But my concern is, you know, when I look at this list that we

1:26:05 all looked at and agreed upon,

1:26:08 that if there– if the money is not to be used because it can’t

1:26:10 be used this summer,

1:26:12 that there is a host– there are a host of projects on this list

1:26:15 of things that need to be done.

1:26:17 And while at a certain time, the district has committed to funds

1:26:21 for track resurfacing,

1:26:23 our priorities are the ones that are failing now.

1:26:26 And so, I congratulate Vera for all the great work they’ve done

1:26:29 in getting their track done,

1:26:31 but I just don’t feel comfortable with us as a board leapfrogging

1:26:34 over these five schools

1:26:37 who have failing and poor tracks that need to be surfaced.

1:26:40 And we haven’t even committed funds to them yet because we don’t

1:26:42 have them to get this done at Vera.

1:26:45 We’re here for this wonderful event, but that we already have a

1:26:48 facility that if we host this,

1:26:51 can already today without worrying about weather,

1:26:54 without worrying about potentially losing $50,000,

1:26:57 without worrying about an equity issue of, you know, whether

1:27:00 they chose us or not, you know,

1:27:02 we have a school that’s ready to go.

1:27:04 So if we– I just feel like– if I can just cut to the chase of

1:27:07 our discussion,

1:27:09 I just feel like if we’re going to agree to be part of the

1:27:11 hosting and, you know,

1:27:14 a few players with the rest of the county, I just feel like let’s

1:27:16 not make it complicated.

1:27:19 We have a track, we have a facility that can be used right now,

1:27:21 we don’t have to make it complicated,

1:27:23 we don’t have to take funds away from one kid to give it to

1:27:25 another kid.

1:27:27 We– let’s just do what is the simple solution.

1:27:33 » Can I answer to that?

1:27:35 So that’s a great question because that is the ultimate issue

1:27:38 that I wrestled with with this whole thing.

1:27:41 Bringing forward a school who if we can quite frankly say is on

1:27:46 the high socioeconomic status

1:27:49 at the same time as two schools that are in my own district do

1:27:53 not have tracks

1:27:55 and they are on the lower socioeconomics.

1:27:57 So I wrestled with this.

1:27:59 I even met with the track team and the track fundraising team

1:28:01 that I’m a part of for Rockledge.

1:28:05 And I talked to multiple people at O’Gally and I said, “Let’s

1:28:08 walk this thing through

1:28:10 because I don’t want this to happen with it looking like all of

1:28:13 a sudden you’ve got an emerald up here

1:28:16 and these poor people have been– I mean let’s look at Rockledge.

1:28:19 Thirty years they’ve been playing down there.

1:28:22 They’ve been the Cape Coast Conference champions for track

1:28:23 multiple times and never had an operable track.

1:28:27 That is ridiculous, right?

1:28:29 I agree with you a hundred percent.

1:28:31 Now here’s where it came in to be.

1:28:33 Cocoa Beach, Rockledge, O’Gally, none of them under the current

1:28:37 funding structure

1:28:39 are going to get resurfaced in the next 18 months.

1:28:43 In the next 18 months there is no money for any of those tracks

1:28:46 to be resurfaced.

1:28:48 At the same time Cocoa Beach, Rockledge are trying to fundraise

1:28:52 to put in their polyurethane finishes.

1:28:56 So there is– when I sat there and I said, “Okay, so we’re

1:28:59 looking at making this argument over they don’t have it

1:29:03 and Viera is getting theirs, I understand that.”

1:29:06 But what one parent brought up to me from Rockledge which was

1:29:09 this.

1:29:10 By Viera getting their track, we can utilize that track to

1:29:14 fundraise for our polyurethane.

1:29:18 They have a $120,000 delta that they need to make up.

1:29:22 And if we’re going to resurface their track first in 18 months,

1:29:27 they won’t make that delta unless they have the ability to use

1:29:30 this track.

1:29:32 So I called the Viera parents and they were a part of the

1:29:34 fundraising for the 5Ks that they’ve been doing.

1:29:37 I called the– and I just from a 30,000 foot view said, “How

1:29:40 does this work? How can we do this?”

1:29:44 And so the Rockledge could utilize the facility in a tournament

1:29:47 style and raise $30,000 for their own rubberization.

1:29:51 So that when we do go to get that track done, they are ready to

1:29:54 do the rubberization and Cocoa Beach can do the same thing.

1:29:58 The issue that we have is we’re fundamentally looking at this as

1:30:02 a should we pay or shouldn’t we pay which is great.

1:30:05 We have never asked a school or a parent organization to pay for

1:30:07 the milling of our track.

1:30:10 The main argument is we don’t want Viera to get it before the

1:30:14 other schools because they’re on the list of qualified.

1:30:18 But if we could enhance the other programs through the use of

1:30:21 the Viera facility, that’s where I was– then I was OK.

1:30:26 And that’s when I sat there and I called the Rockledge parents,

1:30:28 I called them all and I said, “Is this a viable option?”

1:30:32 I mean because the last thing I want to do is announce that we’re

1:30:33 going to do this and then turn around and get blasted from you

1:30:37 guys.

1:30:38 And they said, “Absolutely, we need that track to help out. We’re

1:30:41 looking forward to working with the Viera parents on raising for

1:30:44 that fun– that 5K.”

1:30:46 And I was more than excited because for the first time, I’ve got

1:30:48 literally two schools that hate each other whose parents are

1:30:51 going to work together

1:30:53 to try to create something beautiful for both schools. And when

1:30:57 I saw that, that’s the argument that I made.

1:31:00 And so when you speak to the Cocoa Beach piece, I also looked at

1:31:02 that and I said, “Well, wait a minute because those guys are–

1:31:05 they’re fundraising.

1:31:06 The Kiwanis Club is working really hard but they’re not there

1:31:09 yet. So they’re not at the point where they can make their delta

1:31:11 to have the polyurethane finish.

1:31:14 They’re just not.” And I didn’t understand that this was not

1:31:17 brought up like Matt Susan didn’t go to these guys and say, “Bring

1:31:19 it to Viera.”

1:31:21 They wanted the Viera complex because they didn’t– because it’s

1:31:24 the largest, it’s in the location for all of the hotels, for all

1:31:27 the restaurants, everything else made sense.

1:31:31 So that’s the equity piece that we talked about. This is an

1:31:33 opportunity because if Rockledge doesn’t get the opportunity to

1:31:37 use the Viera track,

1:31:39 they ultimately will not be able to polyurethane their track for

1:31:42 another year at least.

1:31:45 They have been fundraising for nine years and they’ve raised $40,000.

1:31:51 This will give them almost 15 to 20 and the 5K will give them 25.

1:31:56 They’re going to raise $40,000 with the Viera parents towards

1:31:57 their track. That’s what this argument was about when I came

1:32:01 across it.

1:32:02 And that’s the ultimate reason and I can’t tell you anymore

1:32:04 about that piece. I do want you to tell you that Viera is

1:32:08 literally on the next rung.

1:32:11 If you have your first four, they’re the next ones and the

1:32:13 sprinkler break has made theirs inoperable.

1:32:16 So Sue is going to have to go out there and redo that track a

1:32:18 portion of it anyway and expend cost to go there too.

1:32:21 I do appreciate that, Mr. Susan. I do appreciate the cooperation

1:32:23 between the schools but I just– considering the timeframe that

1:32:27 we have, that’s just too much.

1:32:29 It’s too much for me. And while those couple of schools seem to

1:32:33 be, like I said, have in the spirit of cooperation and

1:32:36 encouragement,

1:32:38 I appreciate that but I don’t know that the rest of the county

1:32:40 would see it the same way especially considering what we’re

1:32:43 risking by trying to fit this tight timeline.

1:32:46 And I understand that a hundred percent like– so two years ago,

1:32:50 I was out trying to fundraise and throw sod down at El Gallo

1:32:55 High School

1:32:56 so that we could have safe sod for the high school. And at the

1:32:59 same time, Palm Bay’s football field was put into inoperable use.

1:33:04 And we went and paid $700,000 to redo their entire trip surface.

1:33:08 It was not on our capital budget. It was not a part of our

1:33:11 allocations.

1:33:12 Do you know what everybody said about that? Then you go to

1:33:15 Melbourne. Melbourne is the same thing.

1:33:18 Not on our capital expenditures, not on anything, gets a failed

1:33:20 football field and then literally $700,000, we rush last summer

1:33:25 to put in.

1:33:27 But we– that’s being paid back. That is part of the payback

1:33:33 plan. And if Ms. Hansel on the phone, they have a 10-year plan

1:33:35 to pay that back

1:33:37 minus the credit that we give them for having turf which means

1:33:39 our maintenance teams don’t have to go out there and mow.

1:33:43 And at no time have we asked even for that option to have the 10-year

1:33:46 buyback. We have allowed other schools to have an opportunity

1:33:50 which I totally supported.

1:33:53 Without a doubt, when Melbourne came up, when you had your Merritt

1:33:55 Island, when we needed to do the concession stands, I made the

1:33:58 motion.

1:34:00 The bathrooms, I made the motion for a school that’s not even in

1:34:02 my district because that was something that John Craig wanted.

1:34:06 Like we as a school district and a school board holistically in

1:34:10 a group have been doing this in different places for different

1:34:15 groups the whole time.

1:34:17 And this is an opportunity, the opportunity to even have a 10-year

1:34:21 payback that I guarantee you if somebody walked across and said

1:34:26 to Vieira right now,

1:34:29 “Hey, would you think about that?” That’s an option that they

1:34:31 would probably take. And if you wanted to put it on the $50,000

1:34:34 reverter, they would probably be able to do that.

1:34:38 They hold a 5K, they raise $30,000. So if you’re having trouble

1:34:43 with that piece of it, then why don’t we take, if it seems like

1:34:47 there’s not enough support for it,

1:34:50 why don’t you ask Vieira High School and them if there’s an

1:34:53 opportunity for them to make up the $50,000 if that’s the crunch

1:34:57 on it?

1:34:59 It’s more than that, Mr. Sousa. I don’t want to keep going back

1:35:02 and forth, back and forth, back and forth. We have a solution.

1:35:04 We have a place we can host.

1:35:07 And honestly, we have some people in our community that are

1:35:09 going to have a problem with us hosting it to begin with.

1:35:12 Because while we’re saying, “Hey, we need concession stands,”

1:35:14 there are people still in our community that are concerned with

1:35:16 thousands of people coming in to our community.

1:35:19 And we’re going to have concession stands. That’s our students,

1:35:22 our staff, our volunteers that we’re, you know, we don’t have

1:35:25 protocols in place for how to run our concession stands in a

1:35:28 pandemic.

1:35:31 You know, we’re going to play ball and we’re going to, you know,

1:35:34 it looks like we’re moving to cooperate, but I just don’t see

1:35:38 why this has to be so much more complicated when we already have

1:35:40 a facility.

1:35:41 And satellite is not my school. I’m not territorial. If we were

1:35:44 talking about the same thing with one of my school’s tracks, I

1:35:46 would be sitting here saying the same thing.

1:35:49 We’ve got six weeks period until this thing’s supposed to start

1:35:53 and that’s how we’re giving ourselves no wiggle room and we’re

1:35:57 committing funds that I don’t see in the list of priorities.

1:36:02 So it’s not about let’s not let Vera get theirs before everybody

1:36:05 else does. We’ve already established our priorities.

1:36:09 I don’t feel comfortable reshuffling our priorities and putting

1:36:11 something on the list that wasn’t even on the list when we

1:36:13 already have something right now ready to go.

1:36:16 Ms. Campbell, Ms. McDougall has been trying to get in a word.

1:36:20 I think we could go on for a long time on this topic and I know

1:36:23 it’s on our agenda on the 16th and I’m just wondering if we

1:36:26 could move on because there’s so much more to talk about.

1:36:30 I think it is important. I think we do want to support the AAU.

1:36:35 Did I get that right? I forgot the U.

1:36:38 AAU. So we do because sports is important. I don’t think any one

1:36:43 of us here is denying that sports is important.

1:36:46 I agree with most of us. I mean, Ms. Campbell has a great point.

1:36:50 You have a great point.

1:36:52 Would this be wonderful for our county? Absolutely. I am worried

1:36:56 about the pandemic, as you know, but at the same time we do have

1:37:01 a facility and satellite.

1:37:03 So I think we’re kind of beating a dead horse at this point. I

1:37:05 think, yeah, it’s just like how are we going to make this work

1:37:09 for the organization and for us?

1:37:12 And I wonder if we can move this until the 16th so we can get on

1:37:15 to the rest of our agenda. I’m just asking that question.

1:37:19 I think that the AAU needs to know if we have the – if it is in

1:37:25 our capacity to – I think Ms. Han is trying to figure out some

1:37:29 things.

1:37:31 And I don’t know. Ms. Han, if you’re still on the phone, can you

1:37:34 communicate to us if this is the direction that you need today

1:37:38 or if that’s something that we can wait until Tuesday and have

1:37:42 this discussion again and do it?

1:37:45 We can’t vote on this today.

1:37:47 Right. No, no, no. I know, but I just wanted to know if Ms. Han

1:37:49 needed something.

1:37:51 We are going to prepare the contract documents if that’s the

1:37:58 sense of the board, because that’s in addition to the MOU with

1:38:04 the TDC or the AAU.

1:38:07 I’m not sure what the document is. They’ll be the MOU, but we

1:38:11 also have to approve the contract modifications on Tuesday if we’re

1:38:17 to move forward with this.

1:38:20 So I would be putting the contract documents on the board agenda,

1:38:24 and we would be starting between now and Tuesday to kind of do

1:38:27 some preparatory work so we would be ready to start working on

1:38:31 Tuesday.

1:38:33 And that’s specific to the track, Ms. Han, but the other AAU,

1:38:37 you know, they’re trying to figure out facilities and all that

1:38:41 stuff. That’s not a time certain.

1:38:45 If we decide to punt this thing for discussion down to Tuesday,

1:38:48 since we can’t give you board direction now, were you with the

1:38:52 intent that you were going to move on a lot of stuff beforehand,

1:38:55 or is it that this would not make a timeline change in the

1:38:59 events?

1:39:01 Well, the work I would be doing is preparing the contract for

1:39:04 the board to vote on relative to the track. The MOU, I believe

1:39:08 Mr. Gibbs is handling that, or Dr. Mullen.

1:39:13 And so I think that – but you don’t want to expend a lot of

1:39:16 energy if this board is not in favor of going out and utilizing

1:39:21 the Viera track.

1:39:23 And since it seems that Ms. Campbell is being held up on a

1:39:25 couple of issues, Ms. Campbell, would you entertain giving the

1:39:29 opportunity to try to figure out some creative funding that puts

1:39:33 this not in the middle of this?

1:39:36 Or is it that if we opportunity to give Viera the opportunity to

1:39:39 come back and say that they’ll cover the Reverter Clause over a

1:39:42 10-year lease, would you entertain that thought process in the

1:39:45 event that those things are taken care of, that they would go?

1:39:49 Or is it that you would not do that, even if those issues came

1:39:51 about?

1:39:53 I just feel like we’re having this conversation because of the

1:39:55 opportunity of AAU to come, and I don’t think we even have to –

1:39:58 while I understand why it’s a great opportunity for Viera to

1:40:01 take advantage, I just don’t think, considering the time frame,

1:40:05 that it’s reasonable.

1:40:07 And if we, for some reason, if AAU decides to go to MCC to Holy

1:40:11 Trinity and they don’t go to our service, which is a possibility,

1:40:16 that piece of those revenue sources is about $3,000 a day for

1:40:21 about a 10-year period. Did you factor that into your

1:40:24 conversation or your thought process?

1:40:26 It looks like they’re ready to go to satellite.

1:40:28 He just said there’s three opportunities to go to.

1:40:31 Well, I think maybe some of that has contingent on whether this

1:40:34 Board is willing to have them in our facility.

1:40:38 May I?

1:40:41 My biggest concern at this point is the weather. I mean, it has

1:40:44 been raining for weeks. What makes us think this is going to

1:40:47 stop raining for the next six weeks for us to put this in?

1:40:51 I don’t see how it’s possible. Mr. Susan, I want to support you

1:40:53 because it’s a free $50,000 coming towards us to get you guys

1:40:56 over the finish line. I understand that 100 percent.

1:41:00 Ms. Campbell, she just made it so simple. Instead of arguing

1:41:04 about all this, satellite is – I just was up here. I just

1:41:07 texted the city manager. I just texted the school. Are you able?

1:41:10 Are you willing?

1:41:12 Yes, we just need time to prepare. And so if we kick it down the

1:41:15 line and say you’re back up in case it doesn’t come through, now

1:41:18 they’re not preparing. The city’s not preparing for the parking

1:41:22 at the Schechter Center and different things.

1:41:25 Satellite’s willing and able, according to principal and city

1:41:29 manager. It’s an easy answer. I can’t imagine it’s not going to

1:41:34 pour rain for the next six weeks.

1:41:37 Well, I just looked up until the 24th. We have a percentage of

1:41:40 rain every day. And it usually happens in the afternoon,

1:41:43 unfortunately.

1:41:45 Say that again. The weather looks like it’s going to rain.

1:41:48 It has not rained in the last three weeks.

1:41:51 And it really is. We’ve got rain projected all the way through

1:41:53 the 24th. It’s as far as I’ll go from mine on my phone, but yeah.

1:41:57 Ms. Deskevich, if there was an opportunity for Viera to assume

1:41:59 the debt of the $50,000 that you’re mostly concerned about,

1:42:02 would you change your mind?

1:42:04 I mean, look, I want this thing to go to satellite. And if you

1:42:06 would have came to me in the beginning and they would have said,

1:42:09 no, the Vieras, we want to go to satellite, I just – I want to

1:42:12 try to make an opportunity for this.

1:42:15 Would you entertain the thought if you could take the delta of

1:42:18 the 50% and ask for kind of what we’ve done in other instances?

1:42:22 If I may, Mr. Susan, I didn’t realize the discussion was going

1:42:25 to go in the direction of the school assuming financial

1:42:29 obligation with a discussion of paying it back.

1:42:33 I would just make this board aware that former boards made a

1:42:37 deliberate board decision with board approval to eliminate that

1:42:42 practice with other schools.

1:42:45 That included Viera High School with the cost that they assumed

1:42:48 for constructing their concession stand in their bathrooms.

1:42:53 So I believe that those debts, if you will, were forgiven three

1:42:58 or four years ago and I was given direction as the COO at the

1:43:02 time to develop practices that were very specific about when and

1:43:08 how that could occur again.

1:43:10 And it is – it was limited by board direction, if I recall

1:43:14 correctly, to the resurfacing of a football field with AstroTurf

1:43:19 because we couldn’t assume the liability of a football field

1:43:24 surface being neglected in putting our students and obviously in

1:43:28 harm’s way.

1:43:30 So I would ask if that is something that the board is – this

1:43:33 board is willing and interested in reconsidering as a practice

1:43:38 for the district that I very specifically have direction from

1:43:43 the board that would be voted on because previously it was voted

1:43:46 on to forgive debt for that specific purpose.

1:43:49 And that we – I have time with staff to, again, develop

1:43:54 guidelines and specific expectations of how that would happen.

1:44:00 So, you know, just for – I inherited, if you will, that

1:44:02 practice that had been done over many years and was faced to

1:44:06 correct it, if you will.

1:44:09 And I would just ask, you know, that the board give that

1:44:12 direction. So I didn’t want too much more to go down that

1:44:15 conversation, not to bring back that – the expectation that

1:44:19 staff had been held to in the past.

1:44:22 » Mr. Gibbs, can I ask you a quick question? Can you push back

1:44:26 on the county attorney and get that taken out? Or put in

1:44:29 something related to – due to whether – I mean, these are

1:44:33 things beyond our control. I mean, is there anything that you

1:44:37 can push back on that? And I don’t know if the county attorney

1:44:40 would accept it or not, but I just want to know if you can push

1:44:41 back on that.

1:44:43 » I can certainly red line in a clause saying if we’re unable

1:44:47 to complete the project due to weather or force majeure

1:44:50 circumstances that we don’t have to repay the $50,000. I cannot

1:44:56 say the county will accept that proposition.

1:45:01 » Is it your intention that in the event that the $50,000 is

1:45:04 eliminated one way or the other that this would be more

1:45:07 favorable for you to do? Because I think that Ms. Campbell was

1:45:11 also held up on the fact that the resurfacing and milling was

1:45:14 not – she did not feel like it was appropriate to circumnavigate

1:45:18 these other pieces.

1:45:20 » Well, you know, I agree with Ms. Campbell because, quite

1:45:25 frankly, like you said, you’ve got Rockledge, I’ve got Cooper

1:45:30 Beach. » You’ve got Rockledge, too. » Well, yeah, Rockledge is

1:45:31 really yours, but yes. I mean, yes, it’s in my neighborhood. So,

1:45:32 yeah, absolutely. But at the same time, do they not like

1:45:36 satellite? I mean –

1:45:38 » No, no. I think Butler’s great. It’s there. It’s an

1:45:40 opportunity to take advantage of it. » It just seems like that

1:45:43 would be the easiest solution at this point. But I’m not that

1:45:45 convinced.

1:45:47 » I just didn’t want to give direction to Gibbs if in the event

1:45:49 that you still, no matter if the $50,000 is taken out, would not

1:45:53 even approve in the event of the milling and everything else

1:45:56 that was in it. That’s the crux.

1:46:00 » I’m just – I’m wrong with that. I’ll say it. » So, Ms.

1:46:03 Campbell, you do not wish for Ms. Hand to bring us back a

1:46:06 contract for the truck to be resurfaced next Tuesday? » No. I’m

1:46:10 not. » Ms. Dustovich, you do or do not wish for Ms. Hand to

1:46:13 bring us back a contract for the truck to be resurfaced next

1:46:16 Tuesday?

1:46:17 » Ms. McDougall. » Sorry. I know we need to wrap this up. But

1:46:29 I’m going back to Ms. Campbell’s comments. Vera’s not even on

1:46:32 here. » No. » It would be number 52. So why are we resurfacing

1:46:37 the underneath if it’s not even on our list of needing to be

1:46:40 resurfaced? Because that’s $200,000.

1:46:43 » That’s why Ms. Hand explained that it wouldn’t – to spend $200,000

1:46:50 to rubberize the current asphalt service – » So it hasn’t

1:46:55 failed. It’s just like we – if we’re going to, we need to now.

1:46:58 » Correct. » Okay. » It would be cost inefficient, I think.

1:47:07 » And just to speak to what Mr. Susan was asking earlier, I’m

1:47:13 not interested with Dr. Mullen’s backtracking on the school

1:47:19 board’s policy or a standard to not do loans except for astroturf

1:47:25 surfacing. That’s a lot of upending things in this one decision

1:47:29 when we have another solution available.

1:47:32 » If Vera can raise the $50,000, then – » We could. I just

1:47:36 don’t – see, the problem is – » Then we don’t need to rush it

1:47:39 now because Vera can raise that and you can do it next month or

1:47:42 the month after. » Absolutely. So I said that, right? I said

1:47:44 let’s just raise the money, but then they are literally going to

1:47:48 wait three years because they are behind the four other tracks.

1:47:52 So you have people that have been raising funds since 2012 that

1:47:56 are now going to sit there and wait until their number comes up

1:47:59 on the list of tracks.

1:48:02 » And just so you guys know, there’s a cracked sprinkler that

1:48:05 they’re going to remill anyway. I mean, it’s just – it’s okay.

1:48:09 I understand. Everybody here has a great, valid argument, but

1:48:12 they will be sitting on $200 and something thousand dollars. And

1:48:16 I guarantee you that Vera could make up that delta of the 50,

1:48:19 but we don’t have time. And that’s not fair to you guys, and I

1:48:23 understand that.

1:48:26 » So then I’m just going to throw this out there. I support

1:48:28 holding it at satellite right now, just – and not because it’s

1:48:31 my school, but because it just seems like the easiest option.

1:48:35 But I would definitely entertain the opportunity, Mr. Susan, of

1:48:39 moving Vera up on the list if they have the funds already ready.

1:48:43 And I feel like maybe we’ve done that in the past when

1:48:45 communities have come together and raised $200,000 that the

1:48:49 district can reorganize a few things to help meet and be a good

1:48:53 community partner to Vera.

1:48:55 » Really and truly, here’s what it came to. And Ms. Campbell,

1:48:58 thank you for all your – I agree with you. We don’t need to be

1:49:00 redoing policy. We don’t – I do. I believe in what you’re

1:49:03 saying 100%. I just – what it came to me was that Rockledge

1:49:07 could be able to fundraise quicker. And that, to me, because it’s

1:49:11 like trying to pull blood out of a stone down there for

1:49:13 fundraising. So you make great points, and thank you for doing

1:49:16 that. I really appreciate it. I don’t want to extend this board.

1:49:19 Ms. Belford, thank you for taking the time to do this and to

1:49:22 push it through.

1:49:24 You guys have been very, very cognizant of trying to make an

1:49:27 argument. I just think that in general, even Cocoa Beach, I plan

1:49:30 on going over there and helping them. This is a big deal for me.

1:49:34 And I just think that in general we need to be looking at these

1:49:36 tracks in the future. So I’ll do that. I’ll withdraw it since we

1:49:40 don’t have support for it.

1:49:42 But can I just say, can we give direction on – we have the

1:49:45 intent that we would like to work with AAU even though we can’t

1:49:48 make a move so that they can kind of start thinking because they

1:49:51 have all of these other organizations that are out there that

1:49:55 are trying to come.

1:49:56 And we make up a small portion of what it is. If we can just

1:49:58 kind of – I know we’re not allowed to vote, but if we can just

1:50:01 before Monday make the opportunity that they know that part of

1:50:04 the planning commission and everything else and the waiving of

1:50:07 fees, that’s what I really came to date with.

1:50:10 Like the Viera track, I wanted to do separate.

1:50:13 So if I may, Raynison, and move us forward on this. It sounds to

1:50:18 me like from what I’m hearing from my fellow board members and

1:50:21 if I misrepresent your intent, please let me know.

1:50:24 It does not sound like we have support for a contract to be

1:50:27 brought forward on redoing the Viera track on Tuesday trying to

1:50:30 meet the deadline of the six weeks.

1:50:33 So that I think addresses the MOU as well because that’s the $50,000.

1:50:41 Now I think, Mr. Gibbs, that I heard, and once again you all

1:50:44 correct me if I’m wrong, if the AAU is looking to do additional

1:50:48 things with us down the road and the TDC is willing to invest

1:50:52 those dollars and move that timeline to something more

1:50:55 reasonable, then maybe that’s a conversation that can be brought

1:50:58 forward.

1:50:59 But I think at this point what I’m hearing from you all, unless

1:51:02 those things happen, is the MOU is taken care of, the Viera

1:51:05 track is taken care of, and the funding for the track is taken

1:51:08 care of as far as direction being given, correct?

1:51:11 One small thing in the MOU. He verbally said they would cover or

1:51:15 help with custodial costs.

1:51:18 It’s a separate issue and that’s going to come under the

1:51:21 facility use agreement because this MOU is with the TDC, the

1:51:25 coverage of the custodial cost is going to be directly with the

1:51:30 AAU.

1:51:31 So Dr. Mullins, are you clear on direction on point one, two,

1:51:34 and four that you brought forward initially at the beginning of

1:51:37 this discussion?

1:51:39 I believe so, but let’s just make sure. Board direction is not

1:51:44 to move forward with bringing board approval on Tuesday for the

1:51:50 contract, which then resolves the funding issue for the track as

1:51:54 well as the MOU with the county.

1:51:57 But we do need to have further discussion on facility use

1:52:00 agreement and cost of fees.

1:52:02 Yes.

1:52:03 Thank you.

1:52:04 So facility use agreement, do you have any estimate on the cost

1:52:09 of waiving facility use for seven gyms and a track facility?

1:52:16 I attempted in anticipation of the discussion to try and get a

1:52:21 sense of what that would look like.

1:52:25 However, our facility use rates and charges, keep in mind, are

1:52:29 pre-COVID.

1:52:31 I think I mentioned earlier that I had been discussing with

1:52:35 staff the availability of facilities to outside organizations

1:52:40 and that our rate schedule may change based on enhanced

1:52:44 requirements to do cleaning and deeper cleaning and those types

1:52:48 of things in between events.

1:52:51 They have been working on that. That is not completed. We had

1:52:54 set a July 1 deadline for that to be able to communicate to our

1:52:58 outside groups that are currently using our facilities and have

1:53:02 that which had been suspended.

1:53:05 And that work is not completed. And it’s difficult to bring to

1:53:10 the board an estimate of those costs right now because we haven’t

1:53:16 received a defined scope of facility need.

1:53:21 So we’re not Miss Moore met with my phone with Mr. Buchanan this

1:53:25 morning and they had a conversation. And this morning, Mr.

1:53:30 Buchanan still isn’t in a place that he can fully communicate

1:53:34 what their needs are going to be.

1:53:37 So it’s difficult. He had defined it would be five days for

1:53:42 likely five gyms for five days for basketball. It would be two

1:53:48 gyms for five days for other indoor events.

1:53:53 The problem or the challenge right now is, is it six hours a day?

1:53:57 Is it eight hours a day? Could it be 10 or 12 hours a day?

1:54:01 And that would significantly impact the rates.

1:54:06 The other element that will be needing to manage for this is in

1:54:11 addition to custodial is supervision because we will have a

1:54:16 considerable number of people coming in on and off of our

1:54:21 campuses.

1:54:22 At the same time, we have teachers returning to campuses for pre

1:54:25 planning week. So teachers return on August.

1:54:29 Third, this event is scheduled to the dates that I received most

1:54:34 recently are August 1 through the eighth. So they would be co,

1:54:41 you know, co go working.

1:54:43 That doesn’t mean it’s it’s a logistical impossibility. It just

1:54:47 means we’ve got to plan and prepare for that, which would

1:54:50 require additional supervision.

1:54:52 And then, of course, the element of security. What would be the

1:54:56 security needs during the events as well?

1:54:59 So I’m hesitant. I would I would suggest the cost would be

1:55:06 considerable for but depending on the event.

1:55:11 So if it’s two gyms versus seven gyms, I mean, obviously that’s

1:55:14 that’s a considerable shift or spread of cost.

1:55:21 So the other element we’re trying to work through right now is

1:55:24 at the same time that these events would be going on at these

1:55:27 locations, our custodians are preparing and establishing our

1:55:31 schools to reopen to our students on August 11.

1:55:36 So we’ve got we talked quickly this morning. Would we need to

1:55:40 talk with you about contracted services or looking at a temp

1:55:45 agency to bring in some additional custodians to help

1:55:49 accommodate this? We’re really prepared and willing to look

1:55:53 outside the box.

1:55:55 What what can be done to accommodate and facilitate

1:55:58 understanding that our first priority and top priority has to be

1:56:01 preparing our schools, our students and our staff for the return

1:56:05 of school on August.

1:56:07 Well, pre planning August third return of students on August 11.

1:56:12 We can work through those things, but there are some the costs

1:56:16 would be would not be minimal, I would suggest. And I guess that’s

1:56:22 based on the perspective of who would be looking at it.

1:56:27 So is the board comfortable giving the BPS team the opportunity

1:56:32 to continue to have those discussions with the AU to see what

1:56:38 their you know what what our legitimate costs are and what the

1:56:44 what the AU might be willing to cover on those costs and

1:56:48 bringing that back to us on Tuesday.

1:56:51 For sure. I mean the sheriff is putting forward 30,000 that’s a

1:56:56 great put towards security.

1:56:59 Right.

1:57:00 Short.

1:57:03 Can I, can I speak real quick.

1:57:05 With the estimates that we have coming in on our half penny

1:57:08 alone. We will revenue almost $90,000.

1:57:12 Okay, towards our facilities.

1:57:14 Just in general as an overall. This is coming across the

1:57:17 district.

1:57:19 For each one of our school districts actual facilities which I

1:57:22 think should be spread between all athletic programs, no matter

1:57:26 who the gym gets the gym and everything else.

1:57:29 You’re talking about 10s of thousands of dollars.

1:57:32 So when we’re considering the whole how much it’s going to cost

1:57:35 against them, I would, I would just ask the board members to

1:57:39 consider the overall goodwill, and what we will be receiving

1:57:43 from these games in cash, because I think that when you look at

1:57:47 it overall, we have a delta in the athletics

1:57:49 that we’re going to be going towards, and some of those facility

1:57:52 use agreements are not there just because of the facility. The

1:57:55 actual cost of the district is the electricity is a third of

1:57:58 what that is.

1:57:59 So when you’re looking at a $71 charge for the school at $21

1:58:04 goes for the gym goes to electricity. So we’re literally

1:58:08 charging for just the use of the facility, and the people.

1:58:13 The custodians they said that they would cover. And so, in your,

1:58:16 your, your teams that are going to be hosting it, he’s been in

1:58:19 here for decades, with the same process, all the gyms have

1:58:22 worked on so they think a lot of these people that would be

1:58:25 doing this have already gotten the tournaments

1:58:28 now I’m just saying, when we look at and this is just when we

1:58:31 look at the cost coming back, I think that one of the things we

1:58:34 need to look at is the actual cost, not just what we’re charging

1:58:37 people, if that makes sense.

1:58:40 I would also say Dr. Mullins that before we bring forward a

1:58:43 recommendation to increase the fees and stuff like that that we

1:58:47 just have that discussion.

1:58:49 Yeah.

1:58:51 The facility use fee process, it does require board approval.

1:58:55 We were hoping to bring that to the board on June 30 for July

1:58:58 one but you know to your point Mr. Susan absolutely the fee rate

1:59:02 facility use agreement is part of board policy.

1:59:06 And that’s what we’re working toward. And just to piggyback off

1:59:11 in a little bit I think the, the general consensus is we want to

1:59:14 be good community partners we don’t want to make this difficult.

1:59:18 Sometimes here at the district we get in a bureaucratic bubble

1:59:22 and I think he’s just saying, if we can make it easier in

1:59:25 anywhere. Can we, can we err on the side of making it a little

1:59:31 easier instead of maybe.

1:59:33 I mean I’m okay with making the match for what the county puts

1:59:36 in to make the games come. We just mirror what they did. What

1:59:40 they did was they said we’ll give the first $50,000 to cost

1:59:44 anything after that a you picks up the cost.

1:59:47 They just basically said bring the games. And that’s what part

1:59:50 of that is. Thank you.

1:59:54 direction clear, Dr. Mullins. Well, I just I think we’re at a

2:00:05 place that the board needs to be considering that either we are

2:00:08 or not going to waive the fees and we’ll do what we need to to

2:00:11 establish what the process would be.

2:00:13 Certainly it’s going to need board approval because by policy to

2:00:16 waive facility use agreement fees that will require a board vote,

2:00:20 which obviously couldn’t happen today, it would come on Tuesday

2:00:25 at the earliest.

2:00:27 We can move in that direction for the board’s consideration and

2:00:34 I’ll do my best to estimate costs for the board so that they

2:00:41 understand what that would be. But I wish I could give you more

2:00:46 information today. I’m just hesitant. It sounds like Mr.

2:00:46 Buchanan by the end of the week may be able to give us, you know,

2:00:46 more definitive of what the scope of the facility need is.

2:00:48 And we’ll continue working with him closely to to work toward

2:00:52 that so we can give the board the information you need to make

2:00:56 that that final decision. And I think also it’s pertinent to

2:00:58 know that Cocoa Beach, along with all other city councils that

2:00:59 have events are in the process of waiving their fees to so Cocoa

2:01:04 Beach is in the process of they’re they’re going to be doing

2:01:06 swimming there, along with surfing and skateboard right so they’re

2:01:10 waving all the fees because they know that the revenue that’s

2:01:12 going to come in will offset the cost.

2:01:14 So I have no problem making my directive towards the school

2:01:17 board that I feel very confident that making a good partner in a

2:01:20 procedure is to not only accept the games, but then also waive

2:01:24 the fees. And then I would look forward to seeing how much that

2:01:27 comes back on Tuesday for both if that would the direction that

2:01:29 you would get and thank you for asking for that doctor moments

2:01:31 because I think we didn’t want to put you in a bad situation.

2:01:34 Yeah, and I would just add just so that we’re all clear there

2:01:37 are absolutely indirect fees for utilities and those types of

2:01:40 things. But in this case, there will be direct fees that we will

2:01:44 be obligated for people who will be working for services that

2:01:47 will be required and that type of thing.

2:01:50 I don’t know that we can reasonably absorb the services with our

2:01:54 existing staff, giving the other demands and responsibilities

2:01:58 they have at that time of year, when we’re getting ready to open

2:02:03 school. So I would propose I would suggest that there will be

2:02:05 operating cost expense that would come if the board chooses to

2:02:11 waive those fees for this event.

2:02:14 And I was just saying so that in the event that it came to

2:02:16 question, I am okay with giving direction that the cost of those

2:02:19 fees would be waived if we brought them forward on Tuesday. Does

2:02:23 that make sense to you? Okay. Does anybody else want to weigh in

2:02:26 on that?

2:02:27 I don’t because some of the organizations that are waiving fees,

2:02:31 that is the thing that they do and the primary thing that they

2:02:35 do, whereas our organization, the primary thing we do is not to

2:02:39 host these events. And so we’re pulling people off task to do

2:02:43 that. So I would not support waiving all fees for certain. I

2:02:45 mean, I want us to be fair, but I would just say I would say yes,

2:02:48 Madam Chair, let’s ask Dr. Mullins to work with his team to

2:02:52 continue to work with AAU on what their needs are going to be

2:02:54 and what facilities are going to be.

2:02:56 And what facilities agreement we can come to for that reason.

2:03:01 Thank you, Ms. Campbell. Any other board members supposed to

2:03:04 discuss that topic before we move on?

2:03:07 Does Dr. Mullins need direction from each one of the board

2:03:09 members to come up with a conclusion or because he just asked us

2:03:12 to give direction over the waiving of the fees? Did I read that

2:03:15 correctly?

2:03:17 I need to see what the fees are. I mean, you’re like five days,

2:03:19 seven days, 12 hours, how many people? Like I can’t say waive

2:03:23 fees if you then run the numbers and it’s $3 million. We don’t

2:03:26 have $3 million. Yeah, I can’t make that decision at all until I

2:03:30 see the fees.

2:03:32 And I would agree. I think we need to know what our additional

2:03:34 costs are going to be if we’re going to have to hire people to

2:03:37 come in and clean the schools because we do have a commitment to

2:03:39 make sure that we, our facilities are ready to receive our

2:03:42 students. And so I think that all plays a part of it.

2:03:45 I’m not opposed to officially waiving the facility use fees if

2:03:48 the AAU is covering a percentage of what we would have charged

2:03:52 in facility use fees. You know what I mean? I think that’s a

2:03:56 technical way of doing it.

2:03:58 Do we agree to waive facility use fees but we also have an

2:04:01 agreement that they’re going to pay us whatever out of their

2:04:05 operating grant, if you will. So I think we’re…

2:04:10 Yeah, I’m comfortable with the indirect fees, Mr. Susan. I know

2:04:13 where you’re going with this. Like I think that we can probably

2:04:15 absorb the utility bills for a week somehow. But if we have to

2:04:19 bring on more people, I can’t just say waive it when we have no

2:04:23 idea what that costs.

2:04:25 Are you good?

2:04:31 Yes, Ms. Han, thank you so much for your time.

2:04:39 Yes, we are going to recess for approximately three minutes and

2:04:44 then we will resume.

2:05:09 Thank you.

2:11:16 Getting us back on our original agenda, our first item was a

2:11:22 progress check, just to check in to make sure everyone’s doing

2:11:29 okay, no issues that we need to address, no support you need, no

2:11:33 requests you need to make, any of those types of things.

2:11:38 Okay, then when we was on to the establishment of our annual

2:11:41 objectives, we did have a few submissions, if you recall at the

2:11:45 end of our evaluation, we established five, typically we

2:11:48 established five annual objectives, things for us to include in

2:11:52 the coming year to keep our focus.

2:11:55 Obviously, our strategic plan provides overall objectives for

2:11:59 the district, but these are just specific objectives for the

2:12:04 board members.

2:12:06 And so I will share with you a couple of the items that came

2:12:11 forward and some of them are kind of roll forwards from the last.

2:12:18 The last one that we put together, one is making sure that we

2:12:26 are visiting each of our schools at least one time per year.

2:12:36 Everyone good with that one feel like it’s still a valuable one

2:12:36 to include sharing our champion information so each of us are

2:12:36 still assigned to champion particular departments or areas in

2:12:37 the district.

2:12:38 And so we I think initially, we had that for us to share out

2:12:43 during board reports at board meetings like once a month.

2:12:49 I don’t know if you want to keep that monthly make it quarterly

2:12:52 I know our staff teams have been pretty tied up so I don’t know

2:12:56 if we want to take time to meet with them once per month so that

2:12:59 we can do a report out or if we want to maybe request less

2:13:03 frequent while they’re adjusting to the new new norms and new

2:13:06 challenges.

2:13:08 Do we want to keep that monthly or do we want to go for doing

2:13:12 this kind of leak out as in our recognition times or I’m okay

2:13:16 with quarterly I just think sometimes you don’t necessarily need

2:13:21 to do it every month when sometimes those hit other ways.

2:13:27 » Maybe the goal could be to meet at least for me I need that

2:13:31 goal to meet once a month with my I don’t know that reporting it

2:13:36 out is a necessary goal.

2:13:39 I think we should report out as those meetings you know as there’s

2:13:42 something important for us to report out obviously from those

2:13:45 meetings but I’m more interested in that goal to make sure that

2:13:48 I’m meeting with my champion once a month that’s just my two

2:13:51 cents.

2:13:53 » And I think the overall goal is just to make sure that we’re

2:13:56 meeting with the community partners in general you know what I

2:14:00 mean and I think that we all do that we haven’t gotten to

2:14:03 community partners yet we’re on the board champion your board

2:14:07 championship area and your objectives.

2:14:11 » That’s last year we were all supposed to have submitted new

2:14:15 ones for the coming year so that’s what we’re trying to

2:14:18 establish so but I think that’s a good point Mr. Susan as far as

2:14:22 community meetings but on are we all good with establishing an

2:14:26 objective to meet monthly with our with the department that we

2:14:29 champion.

2:14:30 » Yeah and that can move around right I mean like if you have

2:14:33 leading and learning you’ve got obviously multiple people to

2:14:37 meet with that’s a good idea to touch base with someone.

2:14:41 » So we have visiting our schools at least annually we have

2:14:46 meeting monthly with the department that we champion and can you

2:14:53 want to just add reporting out as needed and reporting out as

2:14:58 necessary to the to the public.

2:15:02 » And then another one that was recommended was our state of

2:15:06 the district presentations which was one that we had talked

2:15:10 about and we had kind of started scheduling some of those and

2:15:14 then of course all of this happened so I think that’s still a

2:15:18 valiant effort for us to put forward I know it’s a little

2:15:22 challenging for us to do it right now but my hope would be that

2:15:24 as things start to open up that maybe we can get back on track

2:15:27 with those do you guys want to keep that as an objective.

2:15:31 » Yes especially now that we have Ms. Hensley to help us

2:15:34 coordinate that I know mine was supposed to be this week and it

2:15:37 got cancelled.

2:15:39 » Yeah so we’ll keep that the state of learning presentations

2:15:43 or state of the district presentations and then does Mr. Susan

2:15:50 do you feel like that kind of incorporates that community

2:15:52 outreach that’s kind of the purpose of those is to get out into

2:15:55 our community and share what’s going on in the district.

2:15:59 » I think that that that incorporates part of it one of the

2:16:00 things that I’ve done during this this process and it kind of

2:16:01 like really worked well is I grabbed the president of the Rotary

2:16:02 the head of the company know what I mean all of them and I do on

2:16:04 every Friday I’m meeting with PTOs and all that stuff but one of

2:16:08 the things we might want to think about is just having all those

2:16:16 individuals and having a meeting inside of our district via zoom

2:16:23 with them once a once a month or once every quarter.

2:16:27 » I found it to be amazing because it’s like tapped right in so

2:16:30 the physical needs of the community and what we can do to help

2:16:34 it works out so yes but I just wanted to offer up for suggestion

2:16:38 it’s really easy I meet with all of them on a zoom call every

2:16:42 Friday for now and it’s been amazing it gives them an

2:16:45 opportunity to talk to.

2:16:47 [ Inaudible ]

2:16:57 » No ma’am no just just if you in the event that you’re meeting

2:17:00 with your community offer them up a board discussion time via

2:17:03 zoom or wherever just to kind of collaborate because one of the

2:17:06 things I noticed when we started doing this crisis was that

2:17:09 everybody want every one of our agencies is working in silos

2:17:12 right now.

2:17:13 And so there needs to be some cross connectivity and I don’t

2:17:15 think anybody but the school district can actually do that

2:17:18 better I think that we touch every single agency and all that

2:17:21 stuff so that was just an offer it was just an offer on top of

2:17:23 what you already have.

2:17:27 » It’s a great suggestion ties in with another conversation

2:17:30 that we’re going to have shortly Mr. Susan so thank you.

2:17:34 » Another one which we had talked about I think when we were

2:17:38 together but also suggested was for each of us to invite and

2:17:42 host state and/or local officials to tour a school in our area.

2:17:47 And we had started to work on that and then everything happened

2:18:00 so do we want to –

2:18:05 to continue a commitment around that this year.

2:17:56 - Okay, you guys good with that?

2:18:00 - And I, just so you know, you can have your employee

2:18:02 or your teams reach out to them too.

2:18:04 So those pre-K teachers are in the process of meeting

2:18:06 with Debbie Mayfield, Randy Fine, all of them,

2:18:09 and talking about the legislation that we may be bringing,

2:18:12 but something that they felt.

2:18:13 So there’s an opportunity that in the event

2:18:15 we can’t bring them to the school

2:18:16 to actually have our people just reach out to them

2:18:19 and have a conversation over the phone.

2:18:20 It’s also very good for them

2:18:22 because they can connect to the principals.

2:18:24 So just another observation and opportunity.

2:18:27 - And I think a good point of that

2:18:28 is not just our legislative members,

2:18:30 but our city officials and things like that,

2:18:34 because some of them are very active in our schools,

2:18:37 but some of them really without an invitation,

2:18:39 you know, and a tour guide, you know,

2:18:41 to kind of help connect them.

2:18:43 I think that’s really important for those of you

2:18:44 who aren’t connected ‘cause they don’t already have kids

2:18:46 in our schools or they don’t already have that partnership

2:18:48 with their specific schools in their city.

2:18:50 So I think that’s really important

2:18:52 just to kind of tag, you know, we even put a,

2:18:54 you have to have a certain number or whatever,

2:18:56 but I think it would be good to each least annually

2:18:59 to host either one large one or several small ones,

2:19:04 you know, within our district.

2:19:06 - So we’ll say at least annually on that.

2:19:10 - Yeah.

2:19:10 - Just be careful of large groups

2:19:12 ‘cause nothing ever gets done.

2:19:14 It just doesn’t.

2:19:15 So like if you bring them intimately into a school

2:19:17 and discuss topics, but yeah, like a large one,

2:19:19 everybody just pontificates and nothing gets done.

2:19:21 - Yeah.

2:19:24 But at least if we can just set a goal of at least

2:19:26 each of us will do at least one.

2:19:27 Can we do that?

2:19:28 And some of us will do a lot.

2:19:32 - I think that, I think that’s great.

2:19:32 - You get more points, Mr. Susan.

2:19:35 I’m gonna make it a competition who holds.

2:19:38 - No, I don’t.

2:19:39 - I’m just kidding.

2:19:41 - So that gives us five objectives.

2:19:43 Do you all want to stick at five?

2:19:45 Do you want to expand?

2:19:46 - I missed one.

2:19:49 - Oh, I’m sorry, that gives us four.

2:19:51 - I’d like to propose one.

2:19:52 - Sure.

2:19:53 - A goal of maybe quarterly or annually

2:19:56 a board slash leadership development opportunity for us.

2:20:00 We’ve done a couple of those things at an offsite,

2:20:02 but maybe if we put it as a goal,

2:20:05 we’ll make sure it gets done.

2:20:08 - Quarterly?

2:20:10 - Twice semi-annual.

2:20:11 - Twice semi-annually?

2:20:12 - Like a professional development.

2:20:13 - Leadership development.

2:20:14 - Like we had when we had the leadership.

2:20:15 - Yeah, yeah, just something to.

2:20:17 - That makes sense.

2:20:18 - Can I?

2:20:19 - I’m sorry, I missed that.

2:20:19 - This touches something that I was gonna discuss

2:20:21 is that we have no collective want

2:20:27 to try to go to master board, right?

2:20:30 But I think that this board could really use

2:20:32 some kind of collective team understanding

2:20:35 of what our goal is and what we can do.

2:20:38 So we’ve talked in the past about bringing somebody in

2:20:41 to do kind of what the master board is,

2:20:44 but not the organization that we normally go through.

2:20:46 So I know that there might be some other ones

2:20:49 to technically get that.

2:20:51 I would entertain, and I didn’t know if you guys wanted to,

2:20:53 the opportunity for us to engage one of those organizations

2:20:57 minus the one that we don’t wanna go to,

2:21:00 that if we want to, I think that it would really help us.

2:21:03 I think that us getting together, understanding each other,

2:21:06 but then also the roles and everything,

2:21:08 I think it would infinitely save us

2:21:10 a lot of late night sleep.

2:21:12 So I wanted to bring that as an opportunity or an idea.

2:21:17 So what do you guys think?

2:21:18 - What else provides anything for school board?

2:21:22 - We can get, I mean–

2:21:23 - Wouldn’t necessarily have to be a school board.

2:21:26 - To be a board leadership team.

2:21:28 - Maybe we can reach out to the county

2:21:29 or some of the other organizations.

2:21:32 - The county runs different.

2:21:33 Like we are completely different in the way we think.

2:21:35 - But you know, I can’t remember her name,

2:21:38 Ms. Desters, the gal that you brought in

2:21:39 to do the leadership styles.

2:21:41 - Oh, Dransfield, Ms. Dransfield.

2:21:43 - You know, something like that.

2:21:44 You know, those kinds of things, if we say varied,

2:21:47 you may be something like what you’re talking about,

2:21:49 but maybe, you know, twice, once or twice a year

2:21:51 that we commit to.

2:21:53 - Ms. Belford, did you go through master board?

2:21:56 - No, we haven’t done master.

2:21:57 I went through chair chairmanship training,

2:22:00 but we haven’t done master board.

2:22:01 - The board before all the five of us were,

2:22:03 it was hanging on our wall in the conference room

2:22:05 for a while, they were master boards.

2:22:07 - I reached out to some board members from a long time ago,

2:22:12 just asking processes, procedures, what are your thoughts?

2:22:15 What did you guys run into?

2:22:16 And I went through some of the things and they said,

2:22:18 you know what, the one thing that really helped us

2:22:20 was master board training.

2:22:22 And I really liked the lady that came in and spoke to us

2:22:26 and it was great, but like, we literally need somebody

2:22:29 to talk to us from a school board perspective

2:22:31 of what our roles and responsibilities are

2:22:33 and what lanes we need to be in

2:22:34 and how we can effectively do that

2:22:36 because I think that that would help us.

2:22:38 So I would, I mean, here’s what I would think.

2:22:41 I think we reach out to the organization

2:22:42 that normally does it, tell them, look, we got issues.

2:22:45 We don’t, you know, there’s an issue there.

2:22:47 Let’s try to find how we can make that happen

2:22:49 and maybe they can set something up the same way.

2:22:52 That’s all, I don’t know.

2:22:53 And I’m just thinking outside the box and I apologize.

2:22:55 - For the record, I’m not a hundred percent opposed.

2:22:58 I just, what I have attended of theirs,

2:22:59 I haven’t found real useful.

2:23:01 And so that’s why I’ve been like,

2:23:02 eh, I don’t know if we want to spend the money and do it,

2:23:05 but I’m open.

2:23:06 I’m not like, oh, I’m not gonna do it because it’s them.

2:23:09 If it’s useful, it’s helpful.

2:23:10 The rest of you want to do it, I’m a team player.

2:23:13 - Ms. Belford, do you know who usually does those trainings

2:23:15 out of the FSBA team?

2:23:18 Do you like which one of the, is it the executive?

2:23:22 Is it Andrea, Ms. Tina?

2:23:23 - Usually it’s Tina.

2:23:24 - Tina Pinkerson, okay.

2:23:26 - Maybe they have something they can send us,

2:23:28 tell us how much it’s gonna be,

2:23:29 what exactly it would cover and we can–

2:23:31 - They have information on it.

2:23:32 The challenge with the master board training

2:23:33 and the reason that we haven’t done it in the past is,

2:23:35 if I recall, it’s about $25,000

2:23:38 for the master board training.

2:23:40 Requires the superintendent and the board to participate

2:23:42 at each of several meetings throughout the year.

2:23:46 And then you get your master board certification,

2:23:47 but every time a board member changes,

2:23:49 you have to go through the whole thing again

2:23:52 to continue your master board certification.

2:23:54 - Sounds like a big money trap.

2:23:56 - But I mean, yeah.

2:23:58 Mr. Susan, do you mind reaching out to them

2:24:00 and having conversations, seeing what the options are?

2:24:02 - I’ll be with them tomorrow.

2:24:03 - Can we pay half price and just get the material?

2:24:05 - Right?

2:24:06 - Or you just call the guy that normally does it

2:24:09 and say, hey, look, would you do this for us?

2:24:10 We really need some help.

2:24:12 And they would work with us.

2:24:13 I don’t, I think that in the current environment,

2:24:15 we need, we could make that recommendation.

2:24:18 - So as for our objective,

2:24:20 and I think it would be inclusive

2:24:21 of what you’re recommending, Mr. Susan,

2:24:23 semi-annual professional development opportunities

2:24:26 for the board.

2:24:27 Is that good for our objective?

2:24:28 - Yeah.

2:24:29 - That gives us five. - Collective

2:24:31 professional development.

2:24:33 - Do we want to, is there anything

2:24:35 that you all feel needs to be included beyond that?

2:24:38 - Is there a way to set that objective at a previous,

2:24:40 like meaning what do we need currently

2:24:43 may change year to year.

2:24:44 So that growth or that development,

2:24:46 maybe there’s a caveat that says,

2:24:48 you know, there’s a direction,

2:24:50 like the board needs to give direction

2:24:52 as to what they need help in

2:24:53 because every year it might be different, right?

2:24:55 So that’s just my thought process.

2:24:57 So that we, when we go to spend the time to do it,

2:25:01 the, yeah, the chair can reach out collectively and say,

2:25:03 hey, what do we need?

2:25:04 What do you guys feel?

2:25:05 And then that growth or that development

2:25:07 can be streamlined into what we’re doing.

2:25:09 - Yeah, and I think that’s a, you know,

2:25:11 these are annual objectives.

2:25:12 So they’re going to change every year.

2:25:14 But I think as we go through

2:25:16 and do our quarterly board check-ins,

2:25:18 that’s a great time to say,

2:25:19 hey, I feel like we need some guidance in this area.

2:25:21 Can we look at this for our next meeting?

2:25:23 Does that work?

2:25:25 So are we good with five objectives?

2:25:27 Is there anything else that anyone wants to add beyond that?

2:25:32 Okay, did you get all of those from Susquehanna?

2:25:34 Awesome.

2:25:35 So the next thing that we need to discuss

2:25:36 is our FSBA membership.

2:25:38 And I gave each of the board members

2:25:39 a copy of the budget for the board.

2:25:41 There was some question as to whether dollars

2:25:42 were set aside for that membership

2:25:44 or whether they had to be requested.

2:25:47 We do have dollars that have been allocated.

2:25:50 Previously, we have done FSBA membership

2:25:53 for four of the board members, I believe.

2:25:56 The annual cost on that is $23,524

2:26:00 for all five of us to be members.

2:26:04 If only four of us joined,

2:26:05 the total amount will be $18,819.20.

2:26:10 I do desire to continue my membership

2:26:12 with FSBA, Mr. Susan, Ms. McDougall, Ms. Campbell.

2:26:17 Ms. Duskovich, would you like to join us?

2:26:19 - No, thank you.

2:26:20 I will continue to abstain and save us what, $5,000-ish.

2:26:24 - But can I speak?

2:26:26 - Can I jump in for a minute?

2:26:29 I wish you were because on Friday,

2:26:32 the calls that we have had, they have been very valuable.

2:26:36 And they’ve had speakers that really speak

2:26:39 to what we’re struggling with, what’s going on,

2:26:42 how are they dealing with it, across not only the state,

2:26:45 but the last one was the Southern Educational School Board,

2:26:51 Regional Board, and they had, I share that with you all

2:26:56 because I think their website would be very helpful.

2:26:57 So I think there is some value.

2:26:59 - I agree that sometimes the conferences

2:27:04 don’t really have things that I wanna go to,

2:27:07 but some of the other things that they do offer is valuable.

2:27:10 Just an FYI.

2:27:11 - Thank you, Ms. McDougall.

2:27:13 - Can I speak to the memberships in general?

2:27:16 We had an allocated budget for two memberships.

2:27:19 And then all of a sudden we look at our budget

2:27:21 and there was a discrepancy in that other membership.

2:27:26 I thought we had given board direction

2:27:28 that we would have each board member

2:27:30 would have the opportunity

2:27:31 to join two of these organizations.

2:27:33 And we had an allocated amount.

2:27:35 And then in the event that a Tina Daskevich

2:27:37 or somebody wasn’t a part of one,

2:27:39 or Matt Susan wasn’t a part of one,

2:27:40 that the board allocation revenue could then be spent

2:27:43 in a way that they felt inside their schools.

2:27:46 I thought we had given that direction

2:27:47 up at the Brevard Achievement Center Conference Room.

2:27:52 And we did it in the morning there.

2:27:53 So is there any discussion about that?

2:27:55 ‘Cause it came up a couple of times in via emails.

2:27:57 And I would like to discuss it.

2:27:58 - We discussed, how I remember it is we discussed

2:28:01 allocating, I think 7,500.

2:28:03 So enough for your FSBA or the FCSBM.

2:28:06 And then we allocated the 7,500 so you could join both.

2:28:09 Any board member could be a member of both.

2:28:11 I don’t know that we said you could spend it

2:28:13 within your school after that,

2:28:15 but it’s not being reflected even in our budget.

2:28:20 - Is it?

2:28:23 - I think that there’s an opportunity

2:28:24 for professional development.

2:28:25 I think that there’s an opportunity

2:28:26 to do a lot of different stuff there.

2:28:28 And I just collectively as a board,

2:28:30 I think that it’s our budget.

2:28:33 So in the event that there’s an opportunity

2:28:35 to utilize funds instead of travel or whatever,

2:28:39 it’s kind of been an opportunity

2:28:41 that we can give that back to our schools

2:28:42 if we don’t use it.

2:28:43 I mean, I would like that discussion.

2:28:45 I actually, I would like to say

2:28:47 that in the event that we don’t do FSBA,

2:28:49 that we don’t join these organizations,

2:28:50 the 7,500 can be used as seed money for projects

2:28:53 or anything that we do.

2:28:56 - It doesn’t appear to me that we have $7,500 allocated.

2:28:59 We have $25,000 allocated for dues and fees.

2:29:02 And then each board member is allocated 2250 for travel.

2:29:12 - I do remember that conversation, Mr. Susan.

2:29:14 And I was, I came out of that, you know,

2:29:16 trying to remember that we were gonna allocate

2:29:18 for each board member,

2:29:19 the amount of money it would cost

2:29:21 to join both organizations.

2:29:23 So whether that happened or whatever, you know,

2:29:27 at this point, one of the organizations is debunked.

2:29:30 Correct?

2:29:31 - We dissolved.

2:29:32 - Dissolved is dissolved.

2:29:34 And so that opportunity is not there.

2:29:35 So we have opportunity for savings.

2:29:37 I would just say if, you know,

2:29:38 if one of our members doesn’t choose to join

2:29:40 and we have a savings of $5,000 or however much it is,

2:29:43 ultimately it is going back to the schools

2:29:45 because it falls to the bottom line and it gets,

2:29:47 you know, spent, I don’t want to have some creative way

2:29:52 to divert it some other direction.

2:29:53 I mean, it’s going back to the kids

2:29:54 and to our organization as a whole.

2:29:56 But now we have, you know,

2:29:59 we would have had to lower it back down this year anyway,

2:30:01 because we wouldn’t have had the opportunity

2:30:03 to join two organizations.

2:30:06 - One of the issues that we had was we had

2:30:07 a certain amount of capital dollars

2:30:09 that were allocated to us so that we could allocate those

2:30:11 to our schools a couple of years ago.

2:30:13 And it gave us an opportunity to touch on areas

2:30:15 that had not been funded prior.

2:30:17 And some of unique things that we are passionate about

2:30:19 as board members.

2:30:21 We ultimately understand that holistically

2:30:23 the entire budget, that’s our duty.

2:30:26 Like every single dollar that is spent

2:30:28 is our responsibility to approve, right?

2:30:31 And I think collectively we run into these situations

2:30:33 where there’s some really cool things at the last minute

2:30:36 that we could fund.

2:30:38 And that’s why I would like to have the conversation

2:30:40 that we utilize those funds the way that we would like,

2:30:43 whether that’s FSBA membership,

2:30:45 whether that’s growth for the school board member,

2:30:47 or whether that’s seed money that we want to choose.

2:30:49 We’ve allocated it every year and that’s my feeling.

2:30:53 That’s all.

2:30:54 I was able to do some nice stuff for my Title I schools

2:30:56 when I had the revenue.

2:30:57 - So you’re suggesting that we have,

2:31:01 because what’s showing on our budget right now

2:31:03 is the 25,000, which FSBA is going to cost us

2:31:09 18, 19, 19,000.

2:31:12 So that’s gonna leave a total of 6,000.

2:31:16 - But who made this budget?

2:31:18 ‘Cause this isn’t the budget we approved.

2:31:20 That’s my biggest problem.

2:31:21 How did these numbers change

2:31:22 from what we allocated for our own budget?

2:31:25 - The budgets that I’ve gotten in the past

2:31:27 are a little bit different.

2:31:28 When I asked for those Excel spreadsheets,

2:31:30 I mean, we found $200,000 in our own budget

2:31:32 falling to the bottom line every year under workers comp.

2:31:35 It was a bizarre thing, right?

2:31:37 So there’s actual, there’s another way to do that.

2:31:40 And this spreadsheet’s great, don’t get me wrong,

2:31:42 but the actual, like I just feel that Tina now,

2:31:45 ‘cause she doesn’t join FSBA,

2:31:46 should be able to use those dollars

2:31:48 the way that she sees fit,

2:31:49 whether she wants to give it back to the district,

2:31:51 that’s great, you as an individual,

2:31:52 but if you wanted to use that as seed money

2:31:54 towards your other stuff, you could.

2:31:55 - But it’s not budgeted as Tina’s money,

2:31:57 it’s budgeted as dues and fees from the board.

2:32:00 - It’s different than what we said before.

2:32:02 When we sat down, we all said,

2:32:04 we’re gonna allocate this amount of money

2:32:05 for each board member.

2:32:06 The way that they did that process-wise behind

2:32:09 is not consistent with what we said.

2:32:11 So we said, we’re gonna have this money

2:32:12 for each board member prior.

2:32:14 It’s not set up as board member one, two, three, four,

2:32:16 but they do have that breakdown inside there.

2:32:19 They have your breakdown on capital, on cost, on everything.

2:32:22 So on your travel, on every one of those.

2:32:25 So that is a separate breakdown somewhere else.

2:32:28 I’m just saying in the event, and I don’t, Ms. Belford,

2:32:30 like this would mean that I, as an individual,

2:32:33 would not have any revenue,

2:32:34 but I wanted to be able to in the future.

2:32:36 If we don’t wanna be a part of FSBA,

2:32:37 or if we wanted to utilize that extra funding that we had,

2:32:42 I’d like to.

2:32:44 - We might need to address.

2:32:45 So my calculations say that we should have 35,500

2:32:49 in that account.

2:32:51 - For the two, for the two things?

2:32:52 - We need to address if we wanna keep that

2:32:54 now that there’s only one organization

2:32:55 everyone wants to join,

2:32:56 or if that just rolls into dues and fees,

2:32:58 and you can use it for other dues and fees.

2:33:02 Because I think everybody ran short.

2:33:05 All of you that went to an FSBA conference,

2:33:07 and then when we tried to go to Tallahassee

2:33:08 with the students, you guys were like.

2:33:12 - We didn’t have any money.

2:33:13 - Yeah, you were out of budget, so.

2:33:14 - I think you had to borrow from me.

2:33:15 - I borrowed from somebody I know.

2:33:16 - I offered to send some of my funds over to you.

2:33:18 Like it, you know, it got, so.

2:33:20 - Well, Martina and I ended up saying.

2:33:21 - I don’t think this is a good budget for us,

2:33:22 is what I’m saying.

2:33:23 We’ve got too much in this account,

2:33:24 not enough in the travel.

2:33:26 It’s just, I think we need to address this.

2:33:28 And maybe today’s not the day, but.

2:33:29 - Yeah, probably I’m not going to be able

2:33:31 to resolve it today,

2:33:32 but so would we like to put that down

2:33:33 as a discussion for our next board check-in?

2:33:37 And Ms. Escobar, could we get a breakdown

2:33:39 on how those dollars are broken out inside the budget?

2:33:45 - Attempt to.

2:33:47 - I also know that I take the ads

2:33:52 out of that 25,000.

2:33:55 - The ads for our meetings come out of the dues and fees?

2:33:59 - So that tends to be pretty pricey.

2:34:03 - Right, especially when we have to run.

2:34:05 - Wow, how are we paying for all of that with $25,000?

2:34:09 - But dues and fees.

2:34:12 - No, she is a different line item than the 25.

2:34:17 The dues and fees is a.

2:34:20 - I think 737 under function 7100.

2:34:22 - Yeah, and then we have our,

2:34:23 these own individual dues and fees.

2:34:26 - Maybe they’re.

2:34:27 - Those are conferences.

2:34:28 Like when we go to a conference,

2:34:30 if we go to FSBA, it’s $300.

2:34:32 Or if we go to like a two day workshop, it’s $150.

2:34:35 That’s what that dues and fees goes towards.

2:34:39 - I really just want to scratch this thing

2:34:41 and make my own little spreadsheet because this is not,

2:34:46 why call it dues and fees and it’s object 737

2:34:48 if it’s something completely different than.

2:34:51 - I think you’re right, Madam Chair.

2:34:53 Like maybe this is for a longer, larger discussion.

2:34:57 Maybe we have our CFO come in

2:34:58 and explain the reasons behind this stuff.

2:35:00 And then we go from there.

2:35:01 But my overall intention is to allow flexibility

2:35:05 for our own budgets, depending on what we do.

2:35:08 Because I might be already in Tallahassee for something

2:35:10 and not need to use the money to travel with the kids.

2:35:13 I would like that flexibility.

2:35:15 Or if I wanted to pay for something out of our board budget,

2:35:18 as long as it’s within our purview,

2:35:19 then I would like to do that.

2:35:20 And that’s all.

2:35:21 So if that’s for a further discussion,

2:35:23 I think you’re right though.

2:35:24 Like we’re, I’m looking at a different budget on my screen.

2:35:27 This is a different budget and they do make sense.

2:35:28 We just don’t know how.

2:35:30 - So would you please make note for me to follow up

2:35:35 for our next board check-in to request finance join us

2:35:38 for discussion on the board budget

2:35:39 and how that all works out, like the specific.

2:35:43 We had scheduled them quarterly,

2:35:45 but we may need to look at scheduling one sooner,

2:35:47 depending on how many takeaways we leave with today.

2:35:52 So FSBA membership,

2:35:54 everyone’s good with the four board members

2:35:56 who’ve opted to join FSBA,

2:35:59 authorizing Pam to move forward with those two.

2:36:02 - Can I make a recommendation that Tina gets to spend

2:36:03 her own money the way she wants?

2:36:05 - I don’t know.

2:36:06 - Tina can do what she wants.

2:36:10 - It has to fall within, I don’t necessarily agree

2:36:13 unless we revamp what we’re doing,

2:36:16 but the way it stands now, no,

2:36:17 because it’s designated for professional development,

2:36:20 for dues and fees, for her to say.

2:36:21 - Tina can use her money to pay for the people

2:36:23 that are gonna come in and work with us on board.

2:36:26 - There we go.

2:36:27 - Since that’s one of the goals I brought forward,

2:36:30 that sounds like a wonderful idea.

2:36:31 - As long as it stays within the, you know,

2:36:33 I don’t want it to become, you know,

2:36:35 hey, let me give your school $2,000 for a new copy,

2:36:38 or boom, like I’m a, you know.

2:36:40 - Or give a program that has no money

2:36:42 that they can’t even fundraise out of a Title I school.

2:36:44 - I understand, but I think we have to,

2:36:49 in being true to the budget,

2:36:50 I think we need to stick with what it’s been designated for.

2:36:53 - So we’re good on FSBA membership?

2:36:56 - Yep.

2:36:57 - That moves us along to community mapping,

2:36:59 and Dr. Mullins, did you purchase books for them?

2:37:02 Have they received them?

2:37:03 - I did, and they’re in my office to take with them today.

2:37:07 - Awesome, so the next, I handed out a page to you all

2:37:12 that, no, you don’t have to now.

2:37:16 I handed out a page to you all

2:37:17 that says community mapping at the top,

2:37:19 and this is going to be one that we are going to revisit

2:37:21 for a more in-depth discussion as well,

2:37:24 but I’m gonna give you a high-level overview.

2:37:26 Dr. Mullins has purchased some books

2:37:28 for each of the board members

2:37:29 called “Communities Cannot Do It Alone.”

2:37:32 And it’s a, schools cannot do it alone, thank you.

2:37:36 And it’s a book that I had read a while ago,

2:37:40 like a long while ago, and then for whatever reason,

2:37:43 picked it up again and read through it again.

2:37:45 And it just seemed to really ring true

2:37:47 with some of the challenges that we’re facing right now.

2:37:49 And part of the concept of that book

2:37:52 is really bringing our community together around education,

2:37:58 which I feel like we do,

2:38:00 we have a very supportive community in Brevard

2:38:03 with regards to education.

2:38:05 But what I tend to see is that Tina is whacking

2:38:09 on one side of the tree,

2:38:10 and Matt’s whacking on another side of the tree,

2:38:13 and the Children’s Hunger Project is on this side of the tree

2:38:17 and the community food bank is on this side of the tree,

2:38:21 and we’re all kind of whacking away at the tree

2:38:24 on different issues,

2:38:25 but we’re not getting to where we need to go

2:38:27 because we’re not uniting in our efforts,

2:38:29 and we could do so much more

2:38:30 if we could unite in those efforts

2:38:32 and really be on the same page.

2:38:33 So part of getting to that point

2:38:37 is mapping out your community

2:38:38 and identifying who are the people in our community

2:38:41 that we need to be connected with

2:38:42 and what are they doing in our community.

2:38:44 So rather than me going,

2:38:46 I have this great idea that I need to do this

2:38:48 when someone else is already doing it,

2:38:50 we already have those connections and that map to say,

2:38:53 this is who’s working on this issue,

2:38:55 and hey, maybe if we’d partner them

2:38:56 with this other organization, we can tackle this together.

2:39:00 So rings true for feeding children,

2:39:04 it rings true for early childhood education,

2:39:08 so many aspects of our community challenges.

2:39:12 There are a lot of great people working on,

2:39:14 but we’re just not moving in the same direction.

2:39:16 So one of the things that I would like for us

2:39:19 as board members to do, if you all are not opposed,

2:39:22 is to take part in mapping our district.

2:39:26 And I don’t mean like drawing a map,

2:39:29 but what it consists of is sitting down and identifying,

2:39:33 and you’ll see on this spreadsheet,

2:39:35 foundations that are in your community,

2:39:37 civic groups that are in your community,

2:39:39 youth activities that are available in your community,

2:39:41 churches that are in your community,

2:39:44 and identifying who those people are,

2:39:46 like a point of contact and their contact information,

2:39:51 and then what do they do?

2:39:52 So maybe you have a nonprofit called Titusville Angels.

2:39:56 Well, what do they do?

2:39:57 What issues are they tackling?

2:40:00 The goal is eventually to have all of Brevard County

2:40:04 mapped out so we can identify these different groups.

2:40:07 But I felt like it would be easier rather than us,

2:40:10 and Nikki’s working on this as well,

2:40:11 but rather than us dumping that concept

2:40:15 on the team here at BPS,

2:40:17 we are out in our community a lot,

2:40:19 and we have a lot of that information.

2:40:21 So if we can all just collectively start

2:40:23 kind of filling in some blanks.

2:40:25 So my thought was, first, these groups are just groups

2:40:29 that I jotted down, like just brain dump.

2:40:32 Here are some different types of groups

2:40:34 that I can think of for us to identify in the community.

2:40:38 So what I would like to ask is for you all to just,

2:40:40 at this point, just look through these groups

2:40:43 and help me identify what we’ve missed

2:40:45 that needs to be included as to the different types

2:40:48 of groups in the community that we should be considering.

2:40:51 And then once we have gone through that exercise

2:40:53 and we’ve added everything in,

2:40:55 then I will go ahead and create or ask Pam or Tammy

2:40:58 to create a Smartsheet where we can start

2:41:03 plugging this information in

2:41:05 once we’re all on the same page with where it’s going.

2:41:07 Are you guys amenable to that task?

2:41:11 - Yeah, Tina doesn’t like Smartsheet.

2:41:13 - Huh? - Yeah, I don’t like Smartsheet.

2:41:15 I don’t like Smartsheet, but that’s not what my comment was.

2:41:17 - That’ll be good because it won’t duplicate.

2:41:19 - Or Google Docs or whatever.

2:41:22 I don’t care what we use.

2:41:23 - ‘Cause that way we’re not duplicating

2:41:25 if we’re all using the same documents.

2:41:26 - Right, because, yeah, because we don’t wanna,

2:41:29 and we can have it broken down by district, but you know.

2:41:33 - A lot of things cross over.

2:41:34 - Yes, and so I think it just makes more sense

2:41:36 for us to have a cohesive document

2:41:38 that we can work on mutually.

2:41:39 Are you guys good with that?

2:41:40 - Sounds good. - Okay.

2:41:41 - When you’re just talking about schools,

2:41:42 are you talking about our schools or charter schools

2:41:45 and supportive schools?

2:41:47 ‘Cause I see school towners didn’t know that.

2:41:48 - Yeah, all of the above.

2:41:49 So what are the private schools in your community?

2:41:51 What are the– - Universities.

2:41:53 - That are serving special needs students?

2:41:54 What are the– - Our university partners

2:41:56 as well, college.

2:41:58 - Yeah, so if you guys could task yourselves

2:42:02 with reviewing this, if I give you two weeks,

2:42:05 is that long enough for you to review

2:42:06 and make suggestions on–

2:42:08 - For categories?

2:42:10 - Categories to be included.

2:42:11 - And just to save some time here in duplicative efforts,

2:42:16 like Dr. Moans already has a list of all the churches

2:42:19 that he meets with, right?

2:42:21 - My thing is, is that like, I love this list.

2:42:23 Like this is me, right?

2:42:24 So I’m gonna go through it,

2:42:25 but I don’t wanna lose or miss things.

2:42:27 So is there any way that like Dr. Moans,

2:42:31 you could provide all those contacts for your churches?

2:42:33 You know what I mean?

2:42:34 ‘Cause I’ve got 25 that I meet with on Fridays that call in.

2:42:38 And so I can provide those,

2:42:39 but I don’t know if they’re all mine in the area.

2:42:41 Plus we may wanna engage the chambers

2:42:43 for some of these things

2:42:44 because they have multiple mastered lists of contacts.

2:42:47 Like they have it by category.

2:42:49 So we could literally start there

2:42:51 and then whittle down to the next level.

2:42:54 That would be my idea.

2:42:55 If we can engage the chambers,

2:42:56 get Dr. Moans and our communications department to fill now,

2:43:01 then we come behind and be all,

2:43:02 my rotary’s not in there or that kind of stuff.

2:43:05 If I could make that suggestion because that would do,

2:43:08 that would save us a lot of time in our two weeks.

2:43:10 - Yeah, well, and those two,

2:43:12 I’m not asking you to fill in these categories.

2:43:15 I’m just asking you to identify during these next two weeks

2:43:17 to identify categories that we have not included.

2:43:20 - Oh.

2:43:21 - And then we can move forward on the next step.

2:43:23 - I thought you were asking for the list done in two weeks.

2:43:25 - No, no, no, no. - I was like, oh my God.

2:43:26 Like I’ve gotta drive around for a while.

2:43:27 - No, yeah.

2:43:28 - I mean, off the top of my head,

2:43:30 I would just add to schools,

2:43:31 our colleges and universities specifically.

2:43:34 - Okay, and chambers.

2:43:38 - Ms. Balfour, may I just ask Pam,

2:43:40 will you please get with Tammy

2:43:43 and ask her to forward our community ambassadors list

2:43:46 as well as our business partners list

2:43:48 from government community relations to all the board members?

2:43:51 Just it’ll help spark some who we’re already connected with.

2:43:54 - Perfect.

2:43:56 - Mr. Gibbs, when my EDC meets or organizations meet,

2:44:00 I would love to bring one of my other school board members

2:44:02 if we’re in their district

2:44:04 and it’s a non-voting type thing.

2:44:06 Is that gonna give you a heart attack

2:44:07 if I reach out to Ms. Campbell and said,

2:44:08 “Hey, we’re meeting at this manufacturer

2:44:11 “that’s inside your thing.”

2:44:11 And I think it would be a great community connection.

2:44:14 As long as she’s in there,

2:44:15 we’re not talking about issues, right?

2:44:18 - Legally, you can do it.

2:44:19 I don’t recommend doing it.

2:44:22 Just from a perception.

2:44:22 - Would you like to come and stand between us?

2:44:25 - It’s just being at the same event.

2:44:27 When the perception is gonna be really,

2:44:29 they didn’t talk about school district things

2:44:31 the entire time they were at that event together.

2:44:33 I mean, what happens if the group brings up something

2:44:36 that is likely to come before the board at some point?

2:44:39 Are one of you leaving?

2:44:41 I mean.

2:44:42 - Yeah, I mean.

2:44:42 - Or if I come as an observer.

2:44:45 - Yeah, we can come.

2:44:46 We can do this Gibbs.

2:44:47 - Right, I mean, the law does not prohibit you

2:44:51 from attending the same functions.

2:44:53 It prohibits you from having any kind of discussions

2:44:55 with one another about things that are board business

2:44:59 or likely to come before the board.

2:45:02 - Yep, because I think that would help

2:45:03 a lot of organizations.

2:45:04 I would like to go to a board meeting

2:45:06 for the Children’s Hunger Project.

2:45:07 I would love you guys to come one at a time

2:45:09 to a board meeting at the EDC.

2:45:11 All of these different components, I think.

2:45:13 So we can learn basically our, you know.

2:45:16 There’s, okay.

2:45:18 - Thank you.

2:45:19 With your permission, I would like to flip flop

2:45:22 item eight and item nine because I feel like

2:45:24 item nine, I’m crossing my fingers,

2:45:26 is going to be a less lengthy conversation than item eight.

2:45:31 So I’d like to knock that out if we could

2:45:35 and then we can get on to item eight,

2:45:38 which is our graduation discussion.

2:45:40 Are you guys good with that?

2:45:41 - Sure.

2:45:42 - Okay.

2:45:43 Ms. Collins, Ms. Duskovich had asked

2:45:46 that we add this item to the agenda for discussion,

2:45:50 but I know that you have done some work around this.

2:45:52 So if you wouldn’t mind filling us in

2:45:55 on where you’re at at this point.

2:45:59 - Sure, well, just for background or summary,

2:46:04 you know, I’ve had an ongoing relationship

2:46:06 with our NAACP leaders across the district,

2:46:09 but particularly South Brevard

2:46:11 or the South branch of NAACP,

2:46:14 primarily because I was an area superintendent down there

2:46:17 for several years and developed a relationship

2:46:21 with President James Minus and other NAACP leaders there.

2:46:26 President Minus reached out to Ms. Duskovich,

2:46:30 or I think Ms. Duskovich actually reached out

2:46:32 to President Minus and just wanted to touch base

2:46:35 and see how, stay connected with what’s going on

2:46:40 in the world around us and certainly in our community.

2:46:43 And President Minus shared with us

2:46:45 and then afforded the board several resolutions

2:46:49 that were being developed and shared

2:46:52 at the recent Florida State Conference NAACP.

2:46:56 President Minus highlighted five,

2:46:58 particularly that of 15 resolutions that were developed

2:47:04 and just bring them to our attention

2:47:05 and share them with us and say,

2:47:08 let’s have ongoing conversation around them.

2:47:11 And the five that he shared,

2:47:15 or he highlighted specific for education

2:47:17 was resolution number two,

2:47:20 titled Bias Training Courts and Schools.

2:47:24 Resolution number four,

2:47:27 Curing the Epidemic of Black Youth Suicides.

2:47:32 Resolution number five,

2:47:34 I think they’re numbered for our management.

2:47:37 Actually, they’re not numbered from them,

2:47:38 but this one was civics, education, instruction, and K-12.

2:47:45 The next was COVID-19 and education

2:47:49 and another parent teacher associations,

2:47:52 donations deep in educational inequities.

2:47:56 So I think we’ve had them maybe a week,

2:47:59 little over a week and had a chance to go through them.

2:48:01 I’ve not had the opportunity to sit down with staff

2:48:04 necessarily and go through them

2:48:05 and share them with them,

2:48:07 but had some conversation with Ms. Deskevich.

2:48:12 One that I particularly wanted to highlight

2:48:15 is bias training courts and schools.

2:48:18 I know the board is aware and our community

2:48:21 or some community leaders are aware.

2:48:23 We actually had scheduled overcoming racism training

2:48:27 scheduled originally June, I think, 8th.

2:48:30 And given our, and it was inclusive

2:48:33 of our entire leadership team,

2:48:35 which is all of our principals, district leaders,

2:48:38 cabinet, of course, the board was invited.

2:48:40 We invited our NAACP leaders as well.

2:48:43 And we were anxiously looking forward to that training

2:48:47 and really coming together as a organization

2:48:51 around this issue even before we,

2:48:55 long before the current awareness

2:48:58 that we’re all responding to.

2:49:01 So that has been rescheduled in September

2:49:05 because it is best facilitated

2:49:06 when we can come together in a large gathering,

2:49:09 when we can come together as an organization.

2:49:11 So it is already rescheduled for September.

2:49:13 I don’t remember the date off the top of my head,

2:49:15 September 2 and inclusive of all the individuals

2:49:20 I have already mentioned.

2:49:21 We have included is an ongoing working relationship

2:49:26 with a gentleman who is leading that training

2:49:29 to work with our leaders throughout the district

2:49:31 as follow-up as well.

2:49:33 So just wanted to highlight that.

2:49:39 Also been in discussion with Dr. Sullivan

2:49:43 and looking at our curriculum,

2:49:45 particularly in middle school, U.S. history

2:49:49 and our social studies electives in high school.

2:49:53 She is in the process of working with her social studies

2:49:56 content specialist and teachers in the fall

2:50:00 to look at our eighth grade U.S. history curriculum

2:50:03 at African-American history specifically

2:50:07 and modules that could be developed to enhance

2:50:11 and compliment the curriculum that we have in place.

2:50:15 But in addition, I believe a year ago,

2:50:17 maybe two years ago, we piloted or launched

2:50:20 a African-American history elective course,

2:50:23 a year long course for high school.

2:50:26 And it was in place at one high school this year.

2:50:31 We’re looking to expand that a little bit further

2:50:33 this coming school year and continue to grow that.

2:50:37 It does take time when we add electives.

2:50:40 Keep in mind that typically our student population

2:50:43 is pretty static in terms of student growth.

2:50:46 So when we add electives,

2:50:48 we have to think about what we take off as electives

2:50:50 because we don’t have enough students

2:50:53 to go through all the electives, if you will.

2:50:55 So we have an intentional plan and path

2:50:58 to continue to grow that as an elective.

2:51:01 But I wanted to share that particularly in response

2:51:04 to the civics education instruction in K-12.

2:51:08 I followed up with President Minus on Monday, I believe,

2:51:13 and just let him know we were working through these things.

2:51:16 I shared with him some of the same highlights with him

2:51:20 and he was very appreciative and understood.

2:51:23 Let’s continue to come together

2:51:25 and talk through these and so on.

2:51:26 So that’s kind of where we’re at at this point.

2:51:31 - Dr. Mullins, can I say something

2:51:32 in regards to your US history piece?

2:51:35 So the gentleman that you brought to our engagement

2:51:39 last year, the principal to Palm Beach Lakes High School

2:51:43 has the most phenomenal program there

2:51:45 in regards to what it was.

2:51:46 And Kenny Johnson and I were actually gonna get in the car

2:51:49 and drive down there, meet with them.

2:51:51 We had it all set up and then COVID happened, right?

2:51:54 I would engage that conversation

2:51:57 when we’re talking about adding it to the curriculum

2:51:59 to be engagement into the high school portion,

2:52:03 not the seventh or possibly eighth grade,

2:52:05 because the 16 year old high school engagement

2:52:08 is ultimately infinitely more substantive

2:52:12 towards some of the race issues

2:52:14 that they’re trying to address.

2:52:16 I think eighth grade’s great.

2:52:17 We touch on it and stuff like that,

2:52:18 but there’s an actual curriculum that talks to,

2:52:22 as opposed to just talking about the slave

2:52:23 and the triangle trade and the slave trade

2:52:26 to actually talk about the kingdoms

2:52:27 and the beautiful things that were in Africa, right?

2:52:30 And that piece can be added very quickly

2:52:33 into our 10th grade American history.

2:52:35 And that I think is part of a conversation.

2:52:37 I used to do it in my class when I taught American history.

2:52:40 And I think that that’s something that we could do.

2:52:41 So please, as you’re moving forward

2:52:43 with that part of the discussion,

2:52:45 add that piece into 10th grade,

2:52:46 because I think I would find it more,

2:52:49 I don’t know, that seems to be a flash point in time

2:52:52 for kids when the individuals that are there

2:52:56 that need that education are not there.

2:52:57 And I would also say that the elective is 100% right,

2:53:01 but moving towards adding it as part of our education

2:53:05 inside of our school district is needed

2:53:06 because we can’t always offer the elective

2:53:08 to everybody, right?

2:53:09 We can’t always do that piece.

2:53:10 So offering a supplement to it would help, that’s all.

2:53:14 And then in the PTA’s, is he talking?

2:53:16 I spoke, I looked at the PTA donation one,

2:53:19 and it says inside there that he says low socioeconomic.

2:53:22 Is he talking about Title I schools?

2:53:24 So when we’re framing our argument over the PTA’s,

2:53:27 would that be the Title I schools,

2:53:28 or what was that piece there?

2:53:30 Do you know what I mean?

2:53:32 - Well, I wouldn’t suggest we had

2:53:34 in-depth conversation about it.

2:53:35 So I wouldn’t wanna try and interpret

2:53:37 or speak on behalf of President Meinert and Dan DeBlois.

2:53:42 But those are some of the things that we’ll talk through

2:53:44 and continue to meet with them about as we move forward.

2:53:47 We as a board, or you as a staff?

2:53:49 Yes, okay, I think this is the opportunity,

2:53:53 absolutely a time that we must look for expanded conversation

2:54:01 and opportunity to continue conversation

2:54:03 going across former formalities.

2:54:07 We need to ensure that we have the right voices

2:54:09 at the table and diverse voices at the table

2:54:11 and continue the conversation.

2:54:13 And I’m very receptive and open to all of that,

2:54:15 as we have been.

2:54:16 But I think, quite frankly, for us, just to that point,

2:54:20 we gotta look at our frame of how we have done.

2:54:26 And if we’re at a, and I believe we are at a place

2:54:29 that our frame hasn’t brought the results we want

2:54:35 of ensuring equity, access, opportunity

2:54:37 to all of our students.

2:54:39 And this is our time to say, to challenge our frame

2:54:43 and say, how do we move past where we have had a structures

2:54:47 and conversations in the past and move beyond them?

2:54:49 Not that conversations aren’t happening

2:54:51 and the relationships aren’t there.

2:54:52 We’ve got, I believe, very positive relationships

2:54:56 across our community, across many different groups

2:55:00 inclusive of our black leaders.

2:55:03 So we build on that and we say, let’s build

2:55:08 and let’s look to construct what we want to be next.

2:55:14 - Ms. Spelford.

2:55:15 - Hold on, just one second.

2:55:17 Ms. Daskovich, you had actually requested

2:55:19 that this item be included in discussion, I think.

2:55:22 Did you wanna take, what were you looking to achieve?

2:55:26 Are we, I don’t wanna gloss over what an outcome

2:55:30 that you were looking for.

2:55:35 - I wanted to, you know, I gave him to doctor,

2:55:38 he sent him to Dr. Mullins and I, I guess a week ago.

2:55:40 So I just wanted to open the discussion,

2:55:43 get these in front of you all

2:55:45 so we can start having these discussions

2:55:46 like Dr. Mullins recommended.

2:55:49 And then I’m hoping that we can get a document

2:55:52 from Dr. Mullins and staff,

2:55:56 because I feel like when I read through these,

2:55:58 oh, we are, we’re doing that.

2:55:59 And I don’t think the community knows how hard,

2:56:02 you know, Dr. Sullivan’s the one that comes to mind.

2:56:04 She has driven this since I’ve been on the board,

2:56:07 a lot of these ideas.

2:56:08 And so I think we need to communicate that

2:56:12 in our conversations to the community,

2:56:14 what we are doing and what we plan to do,

2:56:18 where we’re not, and we look at these and we can say,

2:56:20 oh, we’re already doing that one great,

2:56:22 but we could do this a little better,

2:56:23 or we could do that a little better.

2:56:24 So I wanted to have that discussion

2:56:26 and maybe direct Dr. Mullins to have staff

2:56:29 put something together tangible

2:56:30 that we can see exactly what we’re doing.

2:56:33 And where do we wanna go?

2:56:36 One of these in here does give me concern and pause,

2:56:38 like I don’t know that we could carry that out,

2:56:40 but maybe as a discussion, we could figure out

2:56:43 how maybe PTAs could adopt a Title I school

2:56:47 if they choose to.

2:56:48 I know in the Atlantic, we adopted Palm Bay Elementary

2:56:50 for a year or two, and I was serving there.

2:56:52 And it wasn’t, it still wasn’t equitable,

2:56:55 but we did a book drive for them and we did some things,

2:56:57 and maybe there’s, you know, maybe this is phases,

2:56:59 maybe there’s process, maybe it’s just educating

2:57:01 some of the more wealthier PTOs and PTAs

2:57:04 on what the needs are.

2:57:05 A lot of them will step up and be willing to serve.

2:57:08 So I think there’s work that can be done here.

2:57:10 I just, I thought it was important and timely

2:57:13 to get it in front of all of us for a discussion.

2:57:16 - Ms. Campbell.

2:57:17 - I would just say, I agree, Ms. Deskevich,

2:57:19 it’s good for us to look at all of these.

2:57:21 And as I was looking through each one,

2:57:23 I was like, okay, what, after I look,

2:57:25 you get through the whereases, right,

2:57:26 the circumstances, situations that they’re pointing to,

2:57:28 but what is the ask for each one?

2:57:30 And, you know, out of the five,

2:57:32 really only two of the asks directly come to us,

2:57:35 the bias training one and the one about,

2:57:40 it was number six on our list about COVID-19 education,

2:57:42 about making next school year be a time

2:57:45 to make up for lost time,

2:57:46 and I know that’s already part of our plan.

2:57:48 But I mean, just to be aware of these other ones as well,

2:57:51 because they’re, you know, they do affect us.

2:57:55 You know, one of the asks was to the CDC,

2:57:56 one of, you know, a couple to the legislature,

2:57:59 one to the DOE.

2:58:00 So, you know, but I totally agree

2:58:04 that, you know, these documents were formed as a statewide,

2:58:07 here’s as a state what we wanna see.

2:58:09 There are some things that we’re doing really well

2:58:10 in Brevard that we need to continue to do better,

2:58:13 but that we need to communicate

2:58:14 to our NAACP leadership and to our whole community,

2:58:19 here’s what we’re doing and make sure they are aware

2:58:22 of what is already in place and we wanna join them.

2:58:25 But I just wanna take a time,

2:58:27 and I know, you know, this is our first time,

2:58:30 we may also address this next Tuesday,

2:58:31 but this is our first time together

2:58:34 since all of the national turmoil has,

2:58:39 starting with the death of George Floyd

2:58:41 and then, you know, the riots and things like that.

2:58:44 And I think it would be, you know,

2:58:46 I just wanna say as, you know, we’ve been asked,

2:58:49 I’ve gotten a few emails, I’m sure you guys have as well,

2:58:52 and a few places where we’ve been asked, you know,

2:58:54 every leader elected or otherwise has been asked

2:58:58 to make a statement, to weigh in.

2:59:00 And I, you know, as a board member, I’ve thought,

2:59:03 okay, as in this role as a leader,

2:59:06 what is my responsibility?

2:59:07 Because the things that we’re talking about

2:59:11 aren’t necessarily related to our,

2:59:15 the conflict is not over what’s happening in our schools,

2:59:18 okay, but our schools are a huge part of the solution

2:59:25 and the education and the way we come together,

2:59:27 they’re training the next generation.

2:59:31 You know, I’ve had a conversation with someone

2:59:33 that some of the things that are evil,

2:59:38 still in our nation,

2:59:41 some of that is gonna have to be diluted over time,

2:59:44 over generations.

2:59:45 And so we have the great responsibility and privilege

2:59:48 of pouring into this generation and the next generations

2:59:51 and setting things up so that the path towards restoration

2:59:55 and reconciliation can continue.

2:59:57 So I just think it’s important for the people

2:59:59 who are watching and just, you know,

3:00:00 because I know how the people in this room feel

3:00:04 that we know racism is wrong

3:00:06 and we’re doing everything we can

3:00:07 and we’re so proud of our staff

3:00:08 for the things that they’re doing.

3:00:10 I say everything we can.

3:00:12 We can do more, can’t we, Dr. Mullins?

3:00:15 But that is our goal.

3:00:16 And so I just think it’s important for us, you know,

3:00:18 in this time.

3:00:19 And again, I hope that we’ll say something also again,

3:00:21 our more watched meeting next week,

3:00:24 but just to say, this is important to us

3:00:27 and whatever falls within our power of influence

3:00:31 as a school board and as superintendent,

3:00:33 as our district leadership,

3:00:34 and even down to our teachers and our other staff.

3:00:37 And, you know, this is, we wanna be part of the solution.

3:00:42 And so I’m thankful for our great relationship we have

3:00:46 with Mr. Minus and with our other NAACP leaders

3:00:49 and glad they feel comfortable sending this to us

3:00:51 and that we can have those conversations.

3:00:53 But, you know, I’m thankful for this team

3:00:57 and for the work that you guys are already doing

3:00:59 and that your goal is to continue to work

3:01:03 towards even having a greater impact on our students.

3:01:08 - I’d like to say something.

3:01:09 - Very well said, Ms. Campbell, Mr. Susan.

3:01:11 - I just wanted to say, Dr. Mullins,

3:01:13 in the years that I’ve been a part of this organization

3:01:16 since 2005, I’ve never seen a superintendent

3:01:19 more engaged into this realm,

3:01:21 along with deputy superintendent, Ms. Sullivan.

3:01:25 You deserve huge credit for this.

3:01:27 I’ve asked you and I know you’re not a boaster.

3:01:29 Like, I know you’re not, like, it drives me crazy.

3:01:30 I’m like, some days I just wish you would run out front,

3:01:32 hold a Paris conference and tell everybody what you’re doing

3:01:35 because this area, you are a champion.

3:01:37 And I have never, I’m telling you,

3:01:41 I wrote my history thesis on civil rights

3:01:43 when I was at Florida State

3:01:44 and I wrote it about Harry T. Moore.

3:01:46 So I spent two months writing a paper

3:01:49 that is about Harry T. Moore,

3:01:49 I did not even know when I was moving to Brevard.

3:01:51 And I understood the civil rights for this county

3:01:54 going back 150 years.

3:01:56 And I’ll tell you that it’s very, very significant.

3:01:58 And I’ll tell you, as soon as I came here as a teacher,

3:02:01 the first thing I did was get on the Harry T. Moore board

3:02:03 and start working on bringing kids up there

3:02:04 and doing all that stuff.

3:02:05 And I’ll tell you the lack of what you’re doing

3:02:09 was needed so bad then,

3:02:10 and I wanna commend you for what you do.

3:02:12 Like, I want everybody to know,

3:02:13 like, big banner across the world

3:02:15 that Dr. Mullins and Dr. Sullivan

3:02:17 have been leading this in what you’ve done, right?

3:02:18 So that’s the first thing I wanted to say.

3:02:21 I also wanted to say,

3:02:23 I’ve been meeting with the PTOs, PTAs,

3:02:25 and they’ve been cross collaborating.

3:02:27 Amazingly enough, our PTOs in Suntree Viera

3:02:29 have been literally donating clothes, food, money,

3:02:32 everything into our Title I schools down in the south.

3:02:35 They’ve actually started to become friends

3:02:37 and they’re starting that cross collaboration.

3:02:39 I think one of the issues that you run into

3:02:41 is that a lot of our Title I schools

3:02:42 receive Title I funding, right?

3:02:44 So that’s a huge chunk of money that they’re getting

3:02:46 to offset some of the costs.

3:02:47 So when the PTAs are raising up money,

3:02:50 some of the things that that Title I covers

3:02:51 is what the PTA is up north.

3:02:52 And I think that’s part of the discussion holistically,

3:02:55 but I’m telling you, they are ready.

3:02:56 Like, you just talked about adopt to school.

3:02:58 You don’t even, like we just have a circle

3:03:00 of the PTOs, PTAs, and one will say,

3:03:02 hey, we need baking goods

3:03:04 ‘cause we have a bunch of birthdays coming up.

3:03:05 And then all of a sudden the Suntree moms come down

3:03:07 with literally that.

3:03:09 They’re talking about outdoor classrooms, whatever it is,

3:03:11 it’s just like, boom, they all do it.

3:03:12 So getting them into a room and just letting them talk,

3:03:16 I think is part of that discussion too.

3:03:17 But I did just want to say, Dr. Mullins,

3:03:19 I know you don’t like to boast, but man, this is you.

3:03:22 Like, this is yours and you lead this district

3:03:24 and great job.

3:03:25 That’s all.

3:03:26 You know, could you do a press conference or something?

3:03:29 Big, bold?

3:03:29 - You look so uncomfortable, sir.

3:03:32 This is well deserved, that accolades.

3:03:34 - I appreciate that.

3:03:36 I would, those are very humbling comments.

3:03:41 But my, I’m not gonna, this has been a very heavy time.

3:03:45 If you know that this has been an area

3:03:49 I have wanted to lead and champion for our community,

3:03:53 I would defer to our black leaders,

3:03:58 our black moms, dads, our kids, and say,

3:04:01 do you feel that way?

3:04:03 And I’m not prepared to say that they would say yes,

3:04:07 because we can do more.

3:04:08 We must do more.

3:04:10 And yes, there have been requests for a statement

3:04:14 or a message.

3:04:15 And it is, I felt personally and even professionally,

3:04:22 it was necessary to take the time to understand better,

3:04:29 because I don’t know that I understood all I could or should.

3:04:35 And I met with our principals all day yesterday

3:04:42 and spent the first considerable amount of my time

3:04:46 with each of the principal groups,

3:04:48 sharing my personal journey over the last couple of weeks

3:04:54 with the images of the atrocities

3:04:56 of the death of George Floyd,

3:04:58 with the realization of what happened with Ahmaud Avery,

3:05:02 and needing to pause and just seek to understand better

3:05:11 why and how we are here.

3:05:15 And I don’t have the answers yet.

3:05:23 I believe that we are a community

3:05:25 that we can come together and we can work toward them.

3:05:28 Not can, we must and we will.

3:05:34 I shared with our principals yesterday,

3:05:37 every one of us, every one of us, if I were to survey said,

3:05:43 we got into this career,

3:05:45 this profession to make a difference.

3:05:49 And now we’re confronted with the reality,

3:05:52 with the personal challenge.

3:05:55 Are we making a difference for our white children,

3:05:58 for our black children, for our brown children,

3:06:00 for our children with different political preference,

3:06:04 with our children, our boys, our girls,

3:06:09 our children who have gender identity differences.

3:06:15 Because if we’re talking about racism and discrimination,

3:06:19 we’ve got to be thinking about every one of the kids

3:06:21 that come to us in our schools.

3:06:24 And that’s a very personal challenge to me.

3:06:28 And this is a time to really do some deep consideration.

3:06:35 Because at the end of the day,

3:06:37 we are, discrimination is intolerable.

3:06:43 Discrimination in any form, in any way,

3:06:45 in any possibility.

3:06:47 And we have to make deliberate decisions and choices

3:06:52 to be anti-racist and to be anti-discriminatory.

3:06:57 And framing that message almost as easier in talking

3:07:02 than it is in written word.

3:07:05 So I just share that now because sometimes I feel

3:07:11 like I’m better in spoken word than written word.

3:07:14 But most of all, I hope it’s expressive of my heart

3:07:22 for our community.

3:07:24 Every corner, facet, representation of our community.

3:07:28 Because if we can’t come together,

3:07:31 at the end of the day, no one person, no one group

3:07:34 can bring systemic change.

3:07:37 We’ve got to do this together.

3:07:41 And as educators, change has been,

3:07:45 we have been the groundwork, the foundation of change

3:07:48 in society, in our country, and in our community.

3:07:51 And this is an opportunity to make sure

3:07:56 that we don’t let this go by us

3:08:00 and not answer to the moral imperative.

3:08:05 So not can we change, not may we change, we will change.

3:08:13 We will bring change, we will be behind the change

3:08:16 and we will lead the change.

3:08:20 I don’t know what that looks like yet.

3:08:22 And you know what, I don’t know that I should be having

3:08:24 the strongest voice of what that is.

3:08:28 We need to make sure we have the voice.

3:08:31 We did Youth Truth Survey this year,

3:08:34 for the first time as a district.

3:08:35 If there’s anything I’m proud of, I’m proud of the fact

3:08:37 that we launched hearing our children’s voice.

3:08:42 I challenged our principals yesterday.

3:08:44 Have you pulled out your survey results

3:08:46 and started looking at the voice of your black children,

3:08:50 of your brown children, of all the diversity

3:08:53 represented in your kids?

3:08:56 And I had to admit, I hadn’t as a superintendent

3:08:59 for us collectively, I said, but I will be now.

3:09:03 So a statement of we will before we take time

3:09:13 to understand and dig and evaluate and know where are we.

3:09:19 And then let’s make sure we have the voices at the table

3:09:22 of where are we gonna go because we’ve gotta do it together.

3:09:26 And I know we will.

3:09:29 I’ve seen our community do that.

3:09:32 And I’m humbled that I am in a place of great responsibility

3:09:40 and great leadership at a time when we can make an impact.

3:09:48 We can fulfill our moral imperative

3:09:51 and we can be champions for every one of our kids.

3:09:55 And maybe for the first time we’ll come closer

3:09:57 to accomplishing our mission as an organization

3:10:00 and as educators than we ever have before.

3:10:04 When we can say we have served, we are serving,

3:10:07 we’ll continue to serve every student with excellence.

3:10:11 Excellence in the classroom and what they learn

3:10:13 because we’re not gonna settle for anything

3:10:17 but high expectations for our kids.

3:10:19 Preparing them to academically excel

3:10:21 every one of our kids in their future,

3:10:23 that is the promise of their future.

3:10:29 But it has to be on a foundation

3:10:31 and a rock solid demonstration of day-to-day actions

3:10:36 and day-to-day words and day-to-day deeds of dignity

3:10:39 and respect and looking out for each other

3:10:43 and lifting each other up.

3:10:46 And without that, our kids won’t be served with excellence.

3:10:51 That’s what we have to take this time

3:10:52 to make sure that we understand and we answer to

3:10:58 and we act for it.

3:11:00 So thank you.

3:11:03 - Yeah, hey, for Francisco, get that clip.

3:11:08 I want that window from beginning to end, cut me out.

3:11:11 I want beginning to end, I want that.

3:11:13 I know you hear me back there, you got it?

3:11:15 And then email that all to us so we can share it out.

3:11:17 And I will say this behind you, Dr. Mullins,

3:11:20 we do need to lead.

3:11:21 And I understand that there’s that humble leadership

3:11:23 that’s behind you.

3:11:24 Nobody knows these kids

3:11:25 and spends time more with them than us.

3:11:28 There’s not a coordinating agency that spends more time

3:11:30 and understands those kids than us.

3:11:32 We as a district, our schools, everybody else

3:11:35 need to lead this situation.

3:11:37 And I look forward to seeing what you’re powerful of.

3:11:39 I mean, you just did that.

3:11:40 That’s better than any freaking press release

3:11:42 that I’ve had in four years.

3:11:44 I’ll just tell you right now, that was amazing.

3:11:47 Thank you.

3:11:48 Sorry, I’m all pumped up now, gonna go run a mile.

3:11:50 - It’s all good.

3:11:53 Thank you, Dr. Mullins, for your leadership through that.

3:11:57 I know we’ve discussed the struggle

3:12:02 of how to verbalize what we’re working towards.

3:12:07 I appreciate you sharing that.

3:12:11 Okay, are we, Ms. Duskovich, did you,

3:12:13 Dr. Mullins, do you feel comfortable with the requests?

3:12:17 I think it started with a request for a document

3:12:20 kind of outlining what we are currently doing

3:12:22 around equity and support.

3:12:26 Are you comfortable with that request?

3:12:28 Okay, any additional requests on this particular topic?

3:12:31 Obviously one that we will be revisiting,

3:12:34 I think on a fairly regular basis.

3:12:36 So anything else for today on the topic of the resolutions?

3:12:42 Okay, then that brings us to graduation discussion.

3:12:45 And I believe Ms. Duskovich, you requested a discussion

3:12:48 around graduation today as well.

3:12:52 - Yes, I think it’s been, it’s pretty well known

3:12:55 that postponing graduations to July

3:12:58 has been very frustrating to me.

3:13:00 And I have a large group of parents and families

3:13:03 that are frustrated, but time is moving on.

3:13:07 And so I spent some time speaking

3:13:11 and asking Mr. Gibbs to help figure out

3:13:16 where the authority lies on who gets to like,

3:13:19 if we, all five of us decided that we didn’t like

3:13:23 this decision and we wanted to try to force through

3:13:27 an earlier graduation, what would that look like?

3:13:30 And legally, you know, is that in our authority realm?

3:13:34 Is that, and so if I could, I didn’t prepare you, Mr. Gibbs,

3:13:38 I’m sorry, but you already know this stuff

3:13:39 ‘cause you told me and you sent it to me.

3:13:41 So you could, kind of for the public’s purview

3:13:44 a little bit too, and for the other board members

3:13:45 that may not have read their email,

3:13:47 just help us understand where we are

3:13:51 and what the board’s authority is

3:13:53 to change a date on a graduation.

3:13:56 - All right.

3:13:58 First, the statutes and regulations do not mention

3:14:01 who has what this authority at all.

3:14:04 So everything, there is not even an AG opinion

3:14:07 that I found saying, you know, superintendent

3:14:10 versus school boards has this authority.

3:14:12 So when I was looking at it, I looked at it

3:14:14 and this would be the basis of my opinion operationally,

3:14:18 how does it work?

3:14:19 Everything that goes into it.

3:14:20 And it would seem to me based on the structure

3:14:25 of the statutes that it is more of an operational

3:14:28 determination for the superintendent to make.

3:14:31 And that’s just my opinion.

3:14:33 I’m sure it works.

3:14:34 And there may be policies that other districts have adopted

3:14:36 that say we’re going to approve these dates.

3:14:40 I didn’t get that deep into it at this point.

3:14:43 However, I would say even if statute said

3:14:45 it was the board’s decision by past practice

3:14:49 in this district, that power would have been delegated

3:14:52 to the superintendent because when I was looking at it,

3:14:54 this board has, I was not able to find any evidence

3:14:58 that the board has approved those dates in the past.

3:15:01 I was told that the superintendent sets them

3:15:03 and the board is advised of those dates.

3:15:06 So, and that’s consistent with how it’s worked this year.

3:15:10 So when the superintendent sets, he advised the board,

3:15:14 the pandemic came out, they moved from May to June.

3:15:18 At the time they were moved from June to July,

3:15:21 the pandemic was still up.

3:15:23 We were not in phase two yet.

3:15:25 Then the governor opened up phase two

3:15:27 and that opened up opportunities for larger gatherings.

3:15:31 So I would have, my conclusion would be ultimately

3:15:34 that the superintendent had no expectation

3:15:36 that he would need board approval to move those dates,

3:15:40 at least this year.

3:15:41 If you guys want to look at perhaps a policy moving forward,

3:15:45 that is something I can do additional research on.

3:15:48 I know in reaching out to other districts,

3:15:51 their superintendents are all making the decision

3:15:54 as far as anyone that responded to me.

3:15:57 When their dates have moved,

3:15:58 they have been at the superintendent’s authority

3:16:02 and obligation, so they are not taking it to the board.

3:16:04 Some didn’t even change their dates at all.

3:16:07 I think there were some smaller districts in the panhandle

3:16:09 that went off in May, no problem.

3:16:12 But those that have moved have moved

3:16:14 with the superintendent leading.

3:16:18 - So that’s really it, Ms. Belford.

3:16:20 I wanted to discuss it because of my displeasure,

3:16:23 but it turns out I don’t really have authority

3:16:25 to do a darn thing about it.

3:16:27 So just wanted that publicly to be out there.

3:16:30 - Mr. Gibbs, when you came to that conclusion,

3:16:33 which statutory power did you look at

3:16:35 in order to allow the superintendent

3:16:37 to make those type of indications?

3:16:39 - I looked at all of the duties and obligations

3:16:42 and responsibilities and the statutes of the board

3:16:44 and the superintendent, as well as the regulations on those.

3:16:48 And the board sets the broad stroke parameters.

3:16:51 There’s no, like I said, there’s no reference anywhere

3:16:54 as to graduation other than graduation requirements.

3:16:57 Those are set by the state, the school board

3:16:59 and its policy has implemented those graduation requirements

3:17:03 and it is even called for

3:17:04 in its policy graduation ceremonies.

3:17:07 And it set the requirements for participating

3:17:10 in those graduation ceremonies.

3:17:12 That’s as close as anywhere as the guidance gets.

3:17:15 So I concluded that the broad strokes

3:17:19 are it’s an operational decision

3:17:20 the superintendent’s gonna do.

3:17:21 And that makes sense strategically.

3:17:24 How much goes into planning graduation

3:17:27 for this number of high schools?

3:17:29 Is this event open?

3:17:30 Is it available?

3:17:32 Is, you know, how many times are you having to flip schools?

3:17:35 I gotta move this school to that date now.

3:17:36 If that had to come to the board every time,

3:17:38 is the venue even open now before it gets

3:17:41 onto the next board agenda for approval by the board?

3:17:45 I mean, can you do it?

3:17:45 Yes, I’m sure there are districts

3:17:47 where the school board does it.

3:17:49 But like I said, I didn’t get that deep into it

3:17:52 in the time I was looking at it,

3:17:53 but just the overall structure and scheme of the statutes.

3:17:57 And then I turned to, well, even if it was the school boards

3:18:01 is the school board utilizing it?

3:18:03 And that’s where I looked at historically.

3:18:05 The board has not set those dates here in Brevard.

3:18:08 So I would have said, you guys have delegated that authority

3:18:12 to the superintendent based on past practice.

3:18:15 And the superintendent going into this COVID situation

3:18:18 had no expectation that he needed to clear those dates

3:18:21 prior to, you know, making those decisions.

3:18:24 He did it in May to June.

3:18:26 There was no say, hey, wait a minute,

3:18:27 we need a board agenda approval.

3:18:30 There wasn’t any agenda items saying

3:18:31 we needed to set those dates in May before COVID.

3:18:35 So no, and there was no problems with that.

3:18:37 So to expect that the superintendent

3:18:40 would bring the decision to go from June to July,

3:18:45 because that one’s more controversial,

3:18:46 I would say would be disingenuous

3:18:48 and not fair to the superintendent.

3:18:51 - I guess my question is, and I’m sorry, Madam Chair,

3:18:54 can I go back and forth a little bit here?

3:18:56 So my question is, is that I understand past practices.

3:18:59 Like we’ve never questioned when a school

3:19:01 wants to hold their graduation.

3:19:03 Like that’s just been something that we do.

3:19:05 I think that the policy sets

3:19:07 that we are going to have graduations.

3:19:10 The question that I have is that

3:19:11 under the extenuating circumstances of having COVID

3:19:15 and under the extending circumstances

3:19:17 that we’ve sort of not followed the same policy

3:19:20 because of the way that we’re doing it

3:19:22 and all of those things.

3:19:23 Do you find that that circumstance negates previous,

3:19:30 you know what I mean?

3:19:31 Things that we’ve done to the point

3:19:32 where this is fresh territory.

3:19:34 Here’s the philosophical argument that I ask.

3:19:38 Does the board have the right to interject here?

3:19:42 So the superintendent decides to make a school board meeting

3:19:45 or to have a graduation and says,

3:19:48 we’re not gonna go ahead and graduate in June.

3:19:50 We’re gonna graduate in July.

3:19:52 Should the school board have the opportunity

3:19:55 to speak to that?

3:19:56 - You can certainly speak to it and you guys can all say,

3:19:59 hey, we prefer it if this were looked at

3:20:01 for a June graduation.

3:20:04 If you dig in and say, we’re ordering you

3:20:07 and he says, I don’t believe it’s your authority.

3:20:08 You’re gonna end up in courts

3:20:10 and you’re not gonna have graduation till August.

3:20:13 - If I could clarify for our public.

3:20:20 The board members were notified

3:20:22 that the recommendation was going to be made

3:20:25 that graduation would be postponed until July.

3:20:28 So this is not a situation where the superintendent

3:20:30 reached out to the board and said,

3:20:33 I’m doing this and I don’t care what you have to say.

3:20:36 We all had an opportunity for input.

3:20:39 And if we had said to him, if the majority, right?

3:20:44 Because of sunshine,

3:20:45 we can’t speak to each other on the issue, right?

3:20:48 But if the majority had said to him,

3:20:52 I’m not comfortable with this.

3:20:55 I think it’s important that our public know

3:20:56 that this board has such a relationship

3:20:58 with our superintendent

3:21:00 that he’s not going to overturn the board.

3:21:03 I mean, you guys are almost making it sound like

3:21:06 I’m digging my heels in and he didn’t listen to me.

3:21:09 And now I just, it feels incredibly uncomfortable to me.

3:21:13 And I feel like we’re putting Dr. Mullins

3:21:15 in kind of an icky situation here

3:21:17 because that’s not how it went down.

3:21:20 We all received the notification.

3:21:22 We all had opportunity for input, right?

3:21:25 So, and I get that maybe something came up after the fact,

3:21:29 maybe you’re reflecting your constituents’ feedback.

3:21:32 I absolutely get that.

3:21:33 I just don’t want to give the perception

3:21:36 that Dr. Mullins went against the wishes of the board.

3:21:40 - But how do you know that?

3:21:42 Because I gave my feedback and I was very strong on it,

3:21:45 but because of sunshine,

3:21:46 I have no idea what the four of you said.

3:21:49 I can wonder and guess,

3:21:51 which is why I wanted to bring it up today

3:21:53 because, you know, I’ve seen some things publicly

3:21:56 that Mr. Susan maybe wasn’t too thrilled.

3:21:58 I have no idea what their private conversation was.

3:22:00 Maybe he said, “Go ahead.”

3:22:01 And now he’s like, “I don’t really.”

3:22:02 I have no idea because none of us have ever discussed it.

3:22:06 So yeah, it’s an uncomfortable situation

3:22:08 and we seem to have to do this often,

3:22:10 not usually directed at poor Dr. Mullins,

3:22:12 but because we can’t have private conversations,

3:22:14 our uncomfortable conversations have to be public.

3:22:17 And so, you know, it’s a new territory

3:22:20 like everything else right now

3:22:22 because who’s moved graduations a month

3:22:26 and then another month, nobody ever,

3:22:27 because never had to do it before.

3:22:29 - Historically, it’s not an issue.

3:22:31 - What, I’m sorry?

3:22:32 - Historically, it’s not been an issue

3:22:33 and it’s never come up, but yeah,

3:22:35 this year being what it is, this has arisen.

3:22:38 - So Madam Chair, you’re 100% right.

3:22:40 Dr. Mullins reached out to us

3:22:41 where you just expressed our situations in between.

3:22:44 I think the problem is,

3:22:45 is that the collaborative effort of how those go to be.

3:22:48 I think that, you know, as far as us discussing

3:22:52 the situation, I as a school board member

3:22:55 don’t know that there might be objections,

3:22:57 there might be other things that we need to go to.

3:22:59 And you know, those kind of things,

3:23:01 I think now hindsight going back,

3:23:03 maybe something that we need to have part of our discussion.

3:23:06 And I’ll explain the athletics piece.

3:23:08 I expressed that I didn’t want to move forward

3:23:12 with the athletics piece that we were doing, right?

3:23:14 I wanted to try to open up athletics as fast as possible,

3:23:17 but there was no venue for me to kind of explain the why.

3:23:20 There was no process in place to do that.

3:23:22 And part of that is that we haven’t been meeting,

3:23:25 but once a month, right?

3:23:27 But the other process is,

3:23:28 is that I see it happening right now.

3:23:30 It’s like, it’s catching me because there are decisions

3:23:34 that are being made operationally that affect our community

3:23:36 and affect our citizens and our voters

3:23:38 that I think that we should have input on.

3:23:40 And I think that in during this time, since we’re, you know,

3:23:43 I’m not throwing haymakers or arguing,

3:23:45 I’m just saying that right now we are in a place

3:23:47 where the decisions collectively

3:23:48 should include the board moving forward in athletics,

3:23:53 in graduations, in all of that,

3:23:55 now that we have an opportunity to look at it.

3:23:57 When I looked at the statutes, Mr. Gibbs,

3:24:00 I read the constitution and it says,

3:24:04 school boards shall operate, control,

3:24:07 and supervise all public schools

3:24:09 in their respective districts and may exercise any power

3:24:13 as expressly prohibited by the state constitution

3:24:16 or general law, right?

3:24:18 So those pieces give us that general,

3:24:22 I felt area of control over this area.

3:24:26 And that’s where, when I started looking at this,

3:24:28 I was like, look, there’s,

3:24:29 I’ve never seen a situation where Dr. Mullins

3:24:31 and thank you to him,

3:24:33 that if three board members said they disagree with anything

3:24:35 that he would ever not move forward

3:24:37 and say the hell with you guys.

3:24:38 Like I just, I will give 100%.

3:24:41 I just think that we collaboratively should discuss

3:24:43 the decisions, right?

3:24:44 As we move forward for some of these big topic issues,

3:24:47 including graduation and athletics and stuff like that.

3:24:50 That’s all.

3:24:51 And I think that I would have loved to have heard

3:24:53 your objections or your objections, Ms. Campbell,

3:24:56 or Ms. McDougall, your positives.

3:24:58 Like, look, what do we have as a board?

3:25:00 Because ultimately the people that we represent

3:25:02 are the ones that we’re affecting,

3:25:03 both with work, with athletics, with kids,

3:25:06 with all that stuff, we are responsible to them.

3:25:09 And they don’t come to,

3:25:11 they don’t yell at the school district and people,

3:25:13 they yell at us.

3:25:14 So collectively we should have a voice.

3:25:16 That’s my only opinion.

3:25:18 And I would suggest that moving forward,

3:25:20 we have that opinion in that collective voice,

3:25:23 but I’m only one board member.

3:25:24 And no matter what the statute says,

3:25:25 as long as other board members are willing to do that,

3:25:29 then I can’t win, right?

3:25:30 That’s what my piece was.

3:25:31 - Well, and I would suggest that we,

3:25:33 we did have the collective voice as far as giving directions

3:25:37 to the superintendent.

3:25:39 My, my point, my, I guess my issue of concern is

3:25:44 it almost sounds as though a claim is being made

3:25:47 that the superintendent did not take input from the board.

3:25:49 And I think that he did.

3:25:52 And if any of us question

3:25:54 that he fudged the majority stance on that,

3:25:59 I mean, I don’t think that’s where you guys are going,

3:26:02 but I feel almost like that’s how it’s being portrayed.

3:26:05 Well, we don’t know if three board members

3:26:07 agreed with him or not.

3:26:08 Like that’s, that’s just a really.

3:26:11 - The issue is more if three board members disagreed

3:26:16 or if five disagreed,

3:26:17 did he have the authority to go do that?

3:26:19 That’s where my issue was.

3:26:21 And that was settled with our attorney.

3:26:23 That’s.

3:26:24 - And my issue is, is, you know,

3:26:27 the how and everything else in the past.

3:26:30 I think that collectively we should have a voice.

3:26:33 And where I say that is, is this,

3:26:35 right now there’s actions and teams

3:26:37 and they’re moving and everything like that.

3:26:39 And they’re going forward with a lot of operations.

3:26:41 Like we’re gonna hear about an athletics portion

3:26:43 that we may be doing some different things.

3:26:46 But part of that original process

3:26:48 is where I would like to engage

3:26:50 and give board direction

3:26:51 as to what our feelings are on certain things.

3:26:53 Prior to getting a phone call and saying,

3:26:54 “Hey, we’re moving forward with this.

3:26:56 Do you have any concerns?”

3:26:57 I don’t know what I might miss.

3:26:59 I don’t know if you had something you wanted to say.

3:27:01 That’s all.

3:27:02 I think that, and I was gonna make a recommendation

3:27:05 that we might wanna notice meeting every week here

3:27:07 until this thing crisis comes out

3:27:09 because we don’t know what’s coming.

3:27:11 And I think that having those conversations

3:27:13 and having Dr. Mullins, he’s very open about everything.

3:27:15 He’s not hiding anything.

3:27:17 He’s not sitting there saying, “Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.”

3:27:19 But what he’s doing is,

3:27:20 is that he’s trying to run a district

3:27:22 and he’s trying to do it as best as possible.

3:27:24 And what we’re saying is,

3:27:25 “Hey, we’re the collective voice, the people.

3:27:28 Can we be a part of that voice moving forward

3:27:30 in an open forum, not just on a phone call?”

3:27:33 That was my piece.

3:27:34 - Well, I think sometimes that comes down

3:27:36 to a scheduling issue, which brings your point forward.

3:27:39 That I get.

3:27:41 - But I would ask Mr. Gibbs.

3:27:44 Her original question was,

3:27:45 “If three board members are against something,

3:27:48 do we have the collective right to say no in that situation?”

3:27:52 So Dr. Mullins did not do this.

3:27:54 Please, please do this.

3:27:55 But for moving forward, she asked that point of question.

3:27:57 What is your thoughts on that?

3:28:00 - As it stands, the board, as I said,

3:28:02 there’s no clear yes or no on that.

3:28:04 Just the overall structure.

3:28:06 He’s in charge of operations

3:28:08 and the district has never set those dates.

3:28:11 So again, if you were to say next year,

3:28:13 who sets graduation dates?

3:28:14 I would say you guys have delegated that authority

3:28:17 absent your taking action to the superintendent,

3:28:20 even if it were clearly yours.

3:28:24 - If it’s not something we’re voting on

3:28:25 or have traditionally voted on as a school board,

3:28:28 then it’s his authority.

3:28:29 - You’ve never set those, so that’s where it is.

3:28:31 - Where I wrap my head around this piece is

3:28:34 the traditional part is out the window

3:28:36 due to the fact that we’re in code.

3:28:37 - Right.

3:28:38 - So like that’s the piece that I’m like,

3:28:41 to say to make arguments over based

3:28:42 in proper processes and procedures,

3:28:44 my argument is we’re in a different place right now.

3:28:47 That was the piece.

3:28:49 - It would be my concern with that

3:28:50 and any other operational decisions

3:28:52 that he has to make during the next few months

3:28:54 is that do we really, as a county, want five politicians,

3:28:58 as much as I don’t like being called that,

3:29:00 making operational decisions over all these little things?

3:29:04 Do we want the person who’s tasked

3:29:06 and who has a whole team of people

3:29:07 who are experts in their field making these decisions?

3:29:09 I feel like we wouldn’t even be here

3:29:11 except for people are so unhappy

3:29:12 and I understand why people are unhappy.

3:29:17 But let’s just talk about this board for just a minute.

3:29:20 We were made aware the day that the announcement was made,

3:29:24 which was May the 29th, okay?

3:29:30 We were made aware of that decision on that day.

3:29:33 The governor made his announcement to move us into phase two

3:29:35 if that were to affect any of our decision making

3:29:37 last Wednesday.

3:29:39 If at any time a member of this board

3:29:42 wanted to call into question the decision

3:29:45 that Dr. Mullins made or ask for a recall

3:29:47 considering new information of us being in phase two,

3:29:50 as soon as the governor made that announcement on June 3rd,

3:29:53 any of us could have called a meeting

3:29:55 and we would have had time to advertise

3:29:58 so that we could have a meeting before

3:29:59 and have a voting time today.

3:30:02 Nobody did that.

3:30:04 And so here we are in a meeting where we can’t really vote.

3:30:07 We can have this discussion.

3:30:09 I’ll be completely honest.

3:30:10 Before we could do anything to vote, to overturn,

3:30:12 to override would be next Tuesday.

3:30:15 And at that point we have the June graduations

3:30:17 were supposed to be Thursday the 18th

3:30:19 and then starting with our virtual school

3:30:21 and then graduations on that Saturday.

3:30:23 And honestly, at this point,

3:30:25 even if we were to have made the decision today,

3:30:27 I think it is very unfair of us to ask our team

3:30:32 to have such a quick turnaround

3:30:33 and to yank people’s chains one more time

3:30:35 and understand why people are upset.

3:30:37 But at this point,

3:30:38 when that announcement was made in May 29th,

3:30:40 as unhappy as people were,

3:30:41 they started planning of here’s our graduation dates.

3:30:45 It’s gonna be July and our teams are prepared for that.

3:30:48 And we’re doing all the other things

3:30:49 that we’ve got to do right now.

3:30:51 But then for us to hear on June 10th say,

3:30:53 okay, in eight days or 10 days,

3:30:57 or some of them have a little bit longer,

3:30:58 let’s turn the ship around and get this done.

3:31:02 I just don’t think it’s fair.

3:31:04 And like I said, I understand why people are upset

3:31:07 and some of them have been so vocal in communicating that.

3:31:11 And really lately, the kind of word that I’ve been getting,

3:31:15 let’s just be on it and get it on the table,

3:31:16 is people, let’s do the alternative graduations.

3:31:20 Let’s do this county’s doing this

3:31:21 and this county’s doing that.

3:31:22 But first of all, I feel like our superintendents

3:31:24 move forward with the wishes of the students

3:31:26 that he met with back in April,

3:31:27 who even said, even if it gets pushed to July,

3:31:29 we want an in-person graduation.

3:31:31 And it wasn’t just those students,

3:31:32 ‘cause I don’t wanna put all the pressure on them.

3:31:35 That wouldn’t be fair.

3:31:37 But our school leadership and all that was made collectively.

3:31:42 And so to have an in-person graduation,

3:31:45 and people have done all kinds of creative things.

3:31:47 And I will say this,

3:31:49 I don’t know if you would agree with me,

3:31:50 but I believe the class of ‘22 has been the most celebrated

3:31:53 senior class of all time.

3:31:55 And I know they’ve missed out on so much

3:31:57 and that’s why we poured so much into them,

3:31:59 but across the nation, I think they’ve been celebrated

3:32:01 ‘cause we all recognize how much they’ve lost out on.

3:32:04 But I just would not think that it would be fair at all

3:32:08 to ask people to turn the ship around

3:32:10 in such a short timeframe at this point,

3:32:13 when really as a board, we could have,

3:32:15 either any of us could have called this at an earlier time.

3:32:19 - If I may, I’ve got several issues here.

3:32:22 One, I attempted to,

3:32:25 I inquired about calling an emergency board meeting

3:32:27 and it turned out we couldn’t meet until tomorrow

3:32:29 with notices and stuff.

3:32:30 So it’s at this point, it doesn’t make any sense.

3:32:32 - Can you ask him to explain that process

3:32:35 of how that worked, how that request after you’re done?

3:32:38 - Well, it wasn’t a direct request.

3:32:40 I didn’t get that far.

3:32:41 I said, how would this work?

3:32:42 And he said, I would, he and I had some mixed communications,

3:32:47 which is why there was issues between all of us.

3:32:49 But I said to him, can you send out an email?

3:32:52 Or he said, I would send out an email,

3:32:54 something of that nature, asking if you all wanted

3:32:55 to have an emergency board meeting.

3:32:57 And it turns out he made phone calls instead.

3:33:00 - Special, yeah.

3:33:01 - Yeah, he made it very clear it’s not an emergency

3:33:03 because it’s not a disaster.

3:33:04 It’s a special board meeting.

3:33:07 And anyway, I also at the same conversation asked

3:33:12 about the authority, like, because I wasn’t sure

3:33:14 if we should have a board meeting,

3:33:15 if we didn’t have the authority to do anything,

3:33:16 why call everybody in and scramble if there’s,

3:33:19 if we have no authority to do anything.

3:33:21 And he, Mr. Gibbs kind of ran with it and called you all.

3:33:25 And apparently three of us said we wanted to do it.

3:33:28 But at that moment I was like, oh wait, no,

3:33:29 because at the same time he told me

3:33:30 we really don’t have the authority.

3:33:31 So that’s why there was no special board meeting.

3:33:33 And now we are, I mean, it is getting too close,

3:33:35 which is why I just wanted to take the time today

3:33:38 for Mr. Gibbs to say that.

3:33:39 The thing I take issue with, Ms. Campbell,

3:33:41 is you saying politicians making decisions.

3:33:44 These are big decisions for our community.

3:33:47 And this is our responsibility.

3:33:49 We may be politicians, but we’ve been elected by the people.

3:33:52 We’re the voice of the people.

3:33:53 And I take that so seriously and so intently.

3:33:57 This is, these are public schools

3:33:59 that are supposed to be represented by the public.

3:34:02 And we are the only five voices representing the public.

3:34:05 These are all, well, he’s our employee

3:34:07 and those are all his employees.

3:34:08 They’re not technically responsible

3:34:10 to the public of the public schools.

3:34:13 So to me, this is a huge philosophical debate

3:34:16 and this is kind of what I wanted to get in today

3:34:17 to understand from the five of us

3:34:19 how we look at our positions.

3:34:21 And I think that’s even what Mr. Susan was pointing at

3:34:23 in our training from FSBA or somebody,

3:34:27 how we view our positions.

3:34:28 Are we supposed to just uphold what our employee recommends

3:34:33 because they are the experts?

3:34:34 Or are we supposed to be the voice of the public

3:34:37 in the public schools?

3:34:37 And I think we may disagree on how I view that.

3:34:40 - Well, your point is very well taken.

3:34:42 So Mr. Gibbs, are you saying that she requested

3:34:46 an emergency meeting and that the reason that she didn’t

3:34:49 was because she was told that no matter what,

3:34:51 even if we had the emergency meeting,

3:34:53 we did not have the authority to change the graduation date

3:34:56 even if we had a majority of school board members.

3:34:59 - No, I had to make plans to schedule

3:35:01 the special session for tomorrow.

3:35:04 And she said, no, based upon my information of, you know,

3:35:08 my opinion that it was given to the superintendent,

3:35:11 even if it was yours, as I explained earlier.

3:35:14 When I walked her through that, she was like,

3:35:15 there’s no need for this special work session.

3:35:19 - Two reasons I decided not to.

3:35:20 One, his opinion.

3:35:21 He didn’t say there’s nothing you can do.

3:35:22 It was not that kind of conversation.

3:35:24 He said, this is my opinion.

3:35:26 This is how you’ve done it traditionally.

3:35:27 And that’s precedence.

3:35:28 And I accepted that.

3:35:30 And two, somebody mentioned that the date would have to be

3:35:35 so far out there at this point.

3:35:36 We were gonna meet today and now we’re so close.

3:35:39 You have to have 48 hours notice, right?

3:35:42 The earliest we could get into Florida today was Tuesday.

3:35:46 So 48 hours was Thursday.

3:35:48 You were already coming here today.

3:35:50 So she was, you know, at that point,

3:35:52 happy to discuss it here since my opinion was

3:35:56 that the authority had been given at a very minimum

3:35:59 to the superintendent.

3:36:00 - So I received a phone call, I think on Thursday, was it?

3:36:02 Was it Thursday that started this?

3:36:03 - No, it was a Friday.

3:36:05 - Was it Friday or Thursday?

3:36:07 - Friday. - Friday.

3:36:08 - And then at that point,

3:36:10 it’s a, we would put it inside the newspaper, right?

3:36:13 - You have to advertise it, yes.

3:36:14 - And then they need 48 hours.

3:36:17 They need 48 hours.

3:36:18 - No, they couldn’t get it in the paper until Tuesday.

3:36:23 - Four days to put an advertisement in the Florida today.

3:36:25 - Yeah, that’s–

3:36:26 - Because they don’t work the weekend.

3:36:28 So you’re just talking Friday and Monday

3:36:31 for the ad to run on Tuesday.

3:36:33 - But the Florida today said that they could not get an ad

3:36:36 in the paper until Tuesday because of the way

3:36:39 that their infrastructure works.

3:36:41 - They need two days leeway

3:36:43 and there’s not Saturday or Sunday.

3:36:47 - So the earliest according, because of the restrictions

3:36:49 in the thing would have been Thursday

3:36:51 that we could have done it.

3:36:52 - That’s the earliest we could have gotten it.

3:36:54 - And then, but then it hinges back on your opinion

3:36:57 that even if three board members said,

3:36:59 we want to have graduations in June, we couldn’t do that.

3:37:03 Not barring us being politicians.

3:37:06 - You guys can do whatever you want to do

3:37:08 at the end of the day.

3:37:09 You guys could have held the meeting and said,

3:37:10 hey, all five of us want to change back.

3:37:13 And I mean, you can sit here today and ask Dr. Mullins

3:37:16 to look at June dates and change it back.

3:37:19 - And understand I’m not making this argument right now

3:37:22 over the graduation.

3:37:23 I’m making this argument because we have some serious issues

3:37:26 coming forward before us.

3:37:28 And this sets precedent that the school district

3:37:30 can not make a decision on operations

3:37:34 during a COVID crisis to make it,

3:37:37 even if we’re in the majority.

3:37:38 That’s where I’m going with this, whether it’s athletics,

3:37:41 whether it’s graduations, whether it’s all of that stuff,

3:37:42 even school opening days.

3:37:44 I mean, like, do you, does that make sense?

3:37:46 - If it’s a statutory, well, it’s gonna depend

3:37:49 if it’s a statutorily given right to the superintendent

3:37:52 or it’s a school board area.

3:37:55 I mean, you certainly have the authority to give directives

3:37:58 on areas in your area.

3:38:00 If it’s operational, then it’s statutorily been given

3:38:03 to the superintendent, even the constitution says

3:38:05 you have the authority unless it’s mandated

3:38:08 or given to the superintendent.

3:38:10 So that’s the way it’s set up.

3:38:12 The question here is who has it?

3:38:14 There’s no clear answer, right?

3:38:16 You read it and there’s no guidance anywhere.

3:38:18 It doesn’t say the superintendent has authority

3:38:20 over graduation dates.

3:38:22 Doesn’t say the school board has authority

3:38:24 over graduation dates.

3:38:25 You’re gonna have to read it and infer.

3:38:27 And that’s what I did.

3:38:29 And that’s why I said, even if it was given

3:38:31 to the school board, the school board has never executed

3:38:34 its authority to schedule those dates.

3:38:36 So it delegated, if you had it, you would have delegated it

3:38:40 at some point in history.

3:38:41 Whenever graduation ceremonies came up,

3:38:44 I don’t know how far back it goes,

3:38:46 it was given to whoever was superintendent to schedule.

3:38:50 And that’s how it’s operated.

3:38:54 - I’ve just never seen-

3:38:55 - In an emergency, if you guys wanna do that,

3:38:58 that’s, there’s certainly you could call for certain things.

3:39:02 We don’t have standing meetings like every day

3:39:05 or another county did every day.

3:39:07 They were having meetings to discuss issues as they came up.

3:39:10 If you wanted to implement those, you can,

3:39:12 you’re free to do that.

3:39:13 It doesn’t give you any additional authority

3:39:16 over what area you have.

3:39:18 So if it’s an operational decision,

3:39:20 it would be an operational decision,

3:39:21 which falls on the superintendent.

3:39:24 - Okay, so what I guess I’m getting at is,

3:39:27 we are in a time period where we need to have this discussion

3:39:29 and thank you, Ms. Belford, for bringing it up.

3:39:32 If three board members say

3:39:34 that we wanna have graduations in June,

3:39:37 you’re telling me that that doesn’t matter.

3:39:40 Is that, I’m trying to get to that essence

3:39:42 because we may have these, these are,

3:39:44 and I understand that you’re trying to go around,

3:39:46 but maybe what we need to do is as a board say

3:39:49 that during this COVID crisis,

3:39:50 these issues are what we are going to ask

3:39:53 for collaboration and input on,

3:39:56 but we need to figure this out.

3:39:57 Like, I don’t wanna just kind of let this thing go

3:39:58 and then just, eh, whatever, because this is huge right now.

3:40:01 - If you can ask for collaboration on anything you want,

3:40:04 I’m saying that there’s nothing here,

3:40:07 saying one way or the other, right?

3:40:08 In my opinion, the way it’s set up, it’s an operational,

3:40:12 but even if it were yours, the board has delegated it.

3:40:15 If you want it back, you would need to undertake rulemaking

3:40:18 to say we’re going to approve graduation dates.

3:40:21 There would need to be some form of notice

3:40:24 that says we’re taking it back.

3:40:27 ‘Cause you’ve never exercised that duty, right?

3:40:30 You don’t walk in one day and say,

3:40:31 “Hey, we’re changing graduation dates.”

3:40:36 - Which what I’m hearing, Mr. Susan,

3:40:38 is that it’s a bigger issue than the graduation date.

3:40:40 So to rule make over setting graduation dates going forward,

3:40:45 I don’t think is resolving the concern

3:40:47 that you’re bringing forward.

3:40:48 - No, but I think that, I’m sorry.

3:40:51 - So, I mean-

3:40:52 - I think that this is athletics.

3:40:54 This is school openings, this is procedures.

3:40:57 This is all of that stuff that affects our people.

3:41:00 So when these people say-

3:41:03 - Well, procedure, I wanna click, procedures rulemaking.

3:41:05 So if you have rules on it, those would govern.

3:41:08 There are no rules on graduation dates, like I said.

3:41:11 - So if there’s no in the absence of rules,

3:41:13 then the school board has the authority

3:41:15 to make the decision.

3:41:16 - If it’s a policy decision, you would absolutely have,

3:41:19 but you would have to undertake rulemaking.

3:41:21 - Isn’t policy decision, isn’t it the policy

3:41:24 that we are going under for graduations that we are changing?

3:41:27 So ultimately, if it’s a policy that we are following

3:41:29 to make the change, the date change,

3:41:31 that falls under the school board

3:41:33 because we are the policy holders.

3:41:34 - There’s no reference to graduation dates in policy.

3:41:38 It just says they will be held.

3:41:40 - Okay, so if it’s not in the operation of the,

3:41:43 if it’s not expressively said by the policy,

3:41:46 if it’s not expressively said by the superintendent,

3:41:48 that that type of an operation and duty

3:41:50 falls onto the school board to make the operate.

3:41:53 - Operations. - No, operations

3:41:54 are superintendent, so.

3:41:56 - Operations, day to day operations.

3:41:59 - The board has, the board has directed

3:42:01 graduation ceremonies.

3:42:02 It has not provided any other parameters.

3:42:04 The superintendent has the obligation as the CEO

3:42:07 to implement that policy for graduation ceremonies.

3:42:10 He has done that, he schedules them year after year.

3:42:14 He goes about, make sure they come off.

3:42:17 This year, we got a wrench thrown in with COVID-19

3:42:21 and the CDC guidelines on distancing and everything.

3:42:24 And he considered, you know, met with students

3:42:27 and leadership and everybody wanted the in-person

3:42:30 as Ms. Campbell just said.

3:42:32 So he moved them to the summer.

3:42:34 When he decided, when he made the decision to move it again,

3:42:37 those parameters were still in place.

3:42:40 There’s no guidance.

3:42:41 The school board has not taken any guidance.

3:42:43 If you, the board wants to say,

3:42:44 “Hey, let’s revisit graduation policy and say we want this

3:42:49 and we want to set these dates and approve these dates.”

3:42:51 I will look at that for you.

3:42:54 But in right now,

3:42:55 I don’t know that that’s addressing your thing.

3:42:56 If you’re talking about something else,

3:42:58 facility use, where it’s a school board, right?

3:43:02 Then you can certainly weigh in on that.

3:43:07 So, I mean, the answer to your question

3:43:09 is more complicated than graduation.

3:43:12 I don’t know that we can build the discussion of your issue

3:43:14 around graduation because it’s gonna depend

3:43:16 on who’s right it is.

3:43:18 That’s where I’m trying to get to.

3:43:19 - And I don’t think that this system was set up

3:43:21 with the clause that I read in order to allow decisions

3:43:24 to be made during a crisis without board input

3:43:27 and which is not what happened.

3:43:29 I’m sorry.

3:43:30 Okay, please don’t understand I’m not saying that.

3:43:32 But without three board members approving.

3:43:35 Like I just, I literally have a severe problem

3:43:38 just like you were saying.

3:43:39 And then I understand that we keep saying

3:43:41 that we asked the kids,

3:43:42 but we asked the kids in April was what I heard, right?

3:43:45 I mean, did we ask them in April?

3:43:46 And meaning that May this decision was made.

3:43:50 So if we’re asking them in April,

3:43:52 I don’t understand we keep saying we pulled the students.

3:43:54 We pulled the students and I mean,

3:43:56 I would have thought that we would have pulled the community

3:44:00 with the students, the PTOs,

3:44:01 the other groups that are inside there

3:44:03 and said, graduating class, what would you guys like?

3:44:07 Like, I understand we keep using that

3:44:09 as some kind of a shield that we went to the public,

3:44:11 but was that done?

3:44:12 I’m sorry, and maybe there was a clarification

3:44:14 it was done in April.

3:44:17 - I will clarify because I was part of that discussion

3:44:21 with our student government leaders.

3:44:23 And I agree it does not necessarily fall back on them,

3:44:27 Mr. Susan, because we spoke with the students,

3:44:31 Dr. Mullins and I, and Dr. Sullivan,

3:44:32 and there were several other staff members

3:44:34 that were on the call.

3:44:36 The one thing that the students made very, very clear

3:44:38 was that they wanted a traditional in-person graduation

3:44:41 and they were fine with a date in June

3:44:43 and a date in July at that point in the conversation.

3:44:47 The thing that I will say is that, you know,

3:44:52 Dr. Mullins made the decision to push graduation

3:44:55 based on the recommendations from the CDC

3:44:56 and our ability to both provide a traditional graduation

3:44:59 as well as to be able to provide it safely.

3:45:04 And I’ll throw out there if you,

3:45:07 because I think it’s important,

3:45:08 how many of you have read the actual step-by-step plan

3:45:12 for reopening Florida?

3:45:13 Any of you?

3:45:15 Okay, so here’s a big, big, big, big concern that I have.

3:45:21 And I’ll tell you, you guys know, right,

3:45:23 like I try really hard to take into account

3:45:27 the perspective of all.

3:45:30 Under phase two, although everyone thinks

3:45:32 that the world has been completely reopened

3:45:34 and we don’t have to do anything anymore,

3:45:36 there’s still a very clear recommendation

3:45:39 that senior citizens, anyone with a preexisting condition,

3:45:43 stay at home still.

3:45:45 In phase two.

3:45:47 And so what my mind goes to is,

3:45:51 how many students do we have graduating

3:45:53 whose mother or father is battling cancer

3:45:58 and can’t go to their graduation?

3:46:01 Or is that student gonna be comfortable

3:46:03 going to that graduation and then going home

3:46:05 to someone who’s going through treatment for cancer

3:46:09 and is immunocompromised?

3:46:10 How many of our medically fragile students do we have

3:46:13 that are graduating this year that couldn’t go

3:46:15 to their own graduation right now?

3:46:17 Because they’re technically,

3:46:18 they’re still supposed to stay home.

3:46:20 How many grandpa, we have what, 5,000 grandparents

3:46:25 raising grandchildren in Brevard County?

3:46:27 How many of those students are graduating

3:46:31 that have been raised by their grandparent

3:46:32 and their grandparent would not be able

3:46:34 to go to their graduation right now

3:46:35 under the CDC recommendations?

3:46:38 I just, in phase three, it opens up

3:46:41 and those people who are currently recommended

3:46:43 to stay home then are encouraged

3:46:45 to still utilize social distancing,

3:46:46 minimize exposure to large crowds.

3:46:49 But right now under phase two,

3:46:50 they’re still supposed to stay home.

3:46:53 And 75% of our students, 50% of our students

3:46:57 who are graduating may be completely comfortable

3:46:59 and have no concerns about going to graduation.

3:47:01 But graduation shouldn’t be for 50% of the students.

3:47:04 It should be safe for everyone to attend

3:47:06 and for their families to attend.

3:47:07 And that’s what our students wanted.

3:47:09 They didn’t wanna stay six feet away from their peers.

3:47:11 They wanted to hug them and squeeze them

3:47:13 and jump up and down with each other and celebrate.

3:47:15 And it’s just frustrating to me.

3:47:19 And I get that people wanna move forward,

3:47:21 but I don’t think we’re thinking about every student

3:47:24 that we’re supposed to be serving

3:47:26 and every family that we’re supposed to be supporting

3:47:29 in trying to push this forward.

3:47:31 I just can’t.

3:47:34 - I didn’t think we were gonna have the graduation argument.

3:47:36 That’s why I just kind of asked Mr. Gibbs

3:47:38 so we could not get into pointing fingers.

3:47:40 But with that argument, Ms. Belford,

3:47:42 I have plenty of parents that their students

3:47:45 are heading off to the military.

3:47:46 July 1 seems to be the big day.

3:47:48 So there’s no answer for including everyone

3:47:52 in our graduations with what has happened.

3:47:54 And that’s not anyone’s fault in particular.

3:47:56 That is what’s happening in the times.

3:47:59 And so I wanna stand up for the people

3:48:03 that are also going to miss their graduation.

3:48:05 I don’t think they are saying anything negative

3:48:09 against the people that are too sick

3:48:10 to come out for the graduation.

3:48:11 But they’re gonna now miss their graduation

3:48:13 ‘cause they won’t be here.

3:48:14 So it’s just a really unfortunate situation all around.

3:48:17 - It is.

3:48:18 - Can I, in phase two it’s my understanding

3:48:20 that it’s for 50 or less groups.

3:48:24 Do we have any graduation class that’s less?

3:48:27 I don’t even think Edgewood or West, sure.

3:48:30 - But if you’ve watched, and you’ve been home, Cheryl,

3:48:32 so Cheryl, you’ve been watching a lot.

3:48:34 There’s, you know, you look around the country,

3:48:36 they’ve done 50, they’ve divided up three sessions

3:48:39 of smaller schools, they’ve done six feet on field,

3:48:41 you know, they’ve done, there’s a lot of creative.

3:48:43 - Well, there is creative.

3:48:44 And I’m just wondering for our,

3:48:46 I’m just throwing this out there,

3:48:49 that I know that in one district,

3:48:51 what they did, the students did walk,

3:48:53 but they live streamed the whole event.

3:48:55 So every single parent could go ahead and see that,

3:48:59 whether they could attend or not.

3:49:00 It just, I’m just saying,

3:49:01 because I wanna throw this out there, guys.

3:49:04 What’s gonna happen if we are the same place in July?

3:49:08 - Well, and I think we’re going to have to be prepared

3:49:11 for plan, you know, B or C, if we get to that point.

3:49:14 Absolutely, I don’t, you know.

3:49:18 - I reached out to my grandparents,

3:49:20 reaching grandchildren, representatives.

3:49:22 I’ve got a couple of them, and I asked them, I said,

3:49:25 personally, talk to me about this graduation.

3:49:28 Would it make a difference?

3:49:29 And they said, if we were to go,

3:49:31 it would not make it based upon, you know,

3:49:35 the phase two or the phase three.

3:49:37 They were under the same impression

3:49:39 when I was talking to them that,

3:49:41 and this is just for discussion.

3:49:43 Again, I’m not trying to advocate for things, but I just,

3:49:47 when we say that the, what about those people?

3:49:49 What about those people for cancer?

3:49:50 What about those people for medically fragile?

3:49:53 And that’s their choice to come to this graduation or not.

3:49:57 What I was mostly concerned about was the children

3:50:00 that were actually crossing the stage with the students,

3:50:02 just like was pointed out, was the military,

3:50:05 the kids that are going away to work,

3:50:07 the kids that are going away to colleges

3:50:09 or to already have leases signed for June, July 1st.

3:50:12 I think, and that’s where I come back to the,

3:50:15 let’s have these collaboratively discussed, right?

3:50:18 Because you bring up a good point,

3:50:19 and Ms. McDougall, you do too.

3:50:21 But I think in order for our public,

3:50:23 which is the other piece to it,

3:50:25 I think that we’re kind of missing,

3:50:26 is that the public needs to know all of this.

3:50:29 And a lot of this comes out in public discussion.

3:50:32 So when we make the decision to, we’re gonna go to July,

3:50:36 but the school board did not make a public discussion

3:50:39 over the events, then there’s not the argument.

3:50:42 So like right now, people are gonna hear you say that

3:50:44 and they’re gonna say, look, yeah, I mean,

3:50:45 I have a grandparent and that makes total sense.

3:50:48 But not having that discussion in the public,

3:50:50 not having that conversation does not allow them

3:50:53 to understand that end of it.

3:50:55 And then when we do that, then they get upset

3:50:57 and then they come back.

3:50:58 And then we, as a school district,

3:51:00 didn’t look like we were transparent and stuff like that,

3:51:02 which is, you know what I mean?

3:51:03 Not the case here.

3:51:04 I do, I fundamentally keep going back to two pieces.

3:51:08 One, I think it is the school district’s responsibility

3:51:11 to do things that are during the COVID crisis.

3:51:14 The second one is, is that it behooves us

3:51:16 to our people inside of our community

3:51:18 to have these discussions openly in front of the sunshine

3:51:22 so that all of the issues can be brought out.

3:51:24 Just like we do on everything else.

3:51:26 Dr. Mohns does an amazing job, he comes out,

3:51:28 he presents the budget, he presents the argument,

3:51:30 we debate it, and then we give direction.

3:51:34 That has happened so many times.

3:51:36 And I think that normally, if this was an operation,

3:51:38 everything’s an operation, now that we’re in COVID,

3:51:41 these decisions are affecting huge amounts of people

3:51:45 in different ways.

3:51:45 And I think that that needs to be before the people.

3:51:48 I think fundamentally we need to make that decision

3:51:50 pretty soon, if not today,

3:51:52 that where do we want this one to go as far as direction?

3:51:54 Do we want to give input into the athletics portion,

3:51:58 into the graduation, into not traditional operations

3:52:04 because we’re in COVID or don’t we?

3:52:06 I think that’s the argument.

3:52:06 And it sounds like, you know, Ms. Campbell,

3:52:10 you’re on one side where you’ve made an argument

3:52:12 that five politicians in a room, you know what I mean?

3:52:16 It’s scary.

3:52:17 - I want to clarify that when you’re done.

3:52:18 - Okay, I didn’t mean to say, I’m just saying like,

3:52:21 I believe that the power of the people

3:52:22 is inside the voice of our school district,

3:52:25 that we need to be making decisions in a crisis situation.

3:52:28 I would like to also have them collaborate.

3:52:30 That’s what I would like, that’s all.

3:52:32 - So I think what we need, and I’ll come to Ms. Campbell

3:52:35 for clarification on that comment.

3:52:36 But I think what we need in order to move forward

3:52:38 is what do you want to be run by the school board,

3:52:44 number one, because there are thousands of decisions

3:52:48 being made every single day.

3:52:50 So I think we need clarity on what things

3:52:53 you think should be about before us.

3:52:55 And then I think the second question is,

3:52:57 do we need to alter meeting dates

3:53:00 in order to make that occur?

3:53:03 Because like, I mean, we’re back here next Tuesday.

3:53:05 So surely there’s going to be an opportunity

3:53:08 to discuss some things next Tuesday,

3:53:10 and then we’re back two weeks after that.

3:53:12 So is the frequency of meetings enough

3:53:16 to accommodate those things that you want

3:53:18 the school board to have clarity on?

3:53:20 And I don’t know if that’s something,

3:53:23 I don’t know how we define that.

3:53:24 You know what I mean?

3:53:25 I’m happy to have the discussion.

3:53:26 I’m happy to, I’m not trying to shut you down.

3:53:29 I’m just saying.

3:53:32 - No, I agree with you.

3:53:33 So if we had a meeting every week

3:53:35 and this conversation had happened,

3:53:37 we might be able to give direction.

3:53:41 So meaning that if we had scheduled one for every Tuesday,

3:53:44 we wouldn’t have had to run through this crazy idea

3:53:46 with Florida Today taking four days to put an ad in

3:53:49 and all this other stuff.

3:53:51 So maybe the idea is not so much,

3:53:53 hey, we want to literally oversee every single operation

3:53:55 and all the stuff that’s going on.

3:53:56 I mean, I think that part of that is,

3:53:58 is that we should meet.

3:53:59 And if there’s a big,

3:54:00 I think that in big, tough issues like the athletics,

3:54:04 that that should be discussed in the open

3:54:06 as to why we’re making decisions one way or the other.

3:54:09 And that would give us an opportunity to say,

3:54:11 hey, Dr. Mullins, I’m putting this on the agenda.

3:54:13 Because the main problem we had was,

3:54:15 is that right now you were trying to call

3:54:17 an emergency meeting,

3:54:19 but we didn’t have enough time to give the thing.

3:54:21 And was it, what all these other pieces till it-

3:54:23 - I was inquiring about emergency meeting.

3:54:25 I want to be clear.

3:54:26 I didn’t ever actually say, let’s call an emergency.

3:54:28 - I was called and said that there’s a board member

3:54:30 that is requesting an emergency meeting.

3:54:32 - That’s because Mr. Gibbs and I had a miscommunication.

3:54:34 - Okay, all right.

3:54:35 So that’s what I was going off, I’m sorry.

3:54:38 I would say that a lot of it could be alleviated

3:54:40 by having a meeting every Tuesday.

3:54:41 So that during this crisis, if something comes up

3:54:43 and Dr. Mullins needs board direction,

3:54:45 we can do it in the public.

3:54:46 I also think that by doing that,

3:54:49 we are collectively showing our public what our voices are,

3:54:51 and we can do that here.

3:54:54 And they can understand,

3:54:55 rather than all of a sudden everybody jumping on Facebook

3:54:58 and attacking and assuming and everything else.

3:55:00 And that also doesn’t make Dr. Mullins into a situation

3:55:03 like he’s the evil guy behind the curtain

3:55:05 and Wizard of Oz pulling strings, right?

3:55:07 We’re all open, we’re all transparent,

3:55:09 we’re having the meetings,

3:55:10 and any issue that comes up, we can discuss.

3:55:12 But being limited during a time of crisis

3:55:15 becomes an issue, I think.

3:55:16 And I would recommend that we meet every Tuesday.

3:55:19 - Would you be satisfied if we tentatively scheduled

3:55:21 a meeting on our off weeks in between meetings?

3:55:25 And then if we don’t need them, we don’t have them?

3:55:30 - Is there a concern about meeting?

3:55:32 - Well, no, my only–

3:55:33 - We don’t have enough on the agenda?

3:55:34 - Yeah, my only concern is what?

3:55:36 I mean, if there is a particular issue

3:55:38 that you feel like needs to be discussed,

3:55:39 I’m absolutely more than happy to meet.

3:55:41 But I don’t want to show up and have a meeting

3:55:45 just because we said we were gonna have a meeting

3:55:47 when there’s not really anything pressing.

3:55:49 You know what I mean?

3:55:50 And there’s always things going on, but…

3:55:54 Ms. Campbell.

3:55:55 - So if I can kill two birds with one stone

3:55:57 and answer that last question,

3:55:58 but also just wanna clarify.

3:56:00 ‘Cause, and I’m glad you brought that up.

3:56:01 ‘Cause I, Ms. Deskevich, honestly,

3:56:04 sometimes I tend towards the one side, yes.

3:56:06 But I will say this, I think there are people

3:56:09 in our community who actually think that over the summer,

3:56:12 that this board, the five of us,

3:56:14 are gonna be making decisions on,

3:56:16 are we gonna be wearing masks when we go back?

3:56:18 How, what cleaning products are we gonna be?

3:56:21 I mean, seriously, they think we’re making,

3:56:22 people say, “Wow, you’ve got a lot of decisions

3:56:24 “to make this summer.”

3:56:25 And we do, we have a lot of really important decisions

3:56:27 to make this summer.

3:56:28 But those specifics aren’t the decisions

3:56:31 that this board is tasked with making.

3:56:33 We tasked those, and the legislature has,

3:56:36 to the superintendent.

3:56:38 I don’t think I said that right,

3:56:39 but you know what, you got what I mean.

3:56:41 As far as having the discussion,

3:56:43 you know, we’ve got the reopening task force

3:56:46 that has already been collecting information.

3:56:49 I think they’re up to six, 7,000 comments from the public.

3:56:53 You know, I, and they’re taking in those where they,

3:56:57 they are specifically asking each group of people

3:57:02 to have their input.

3:57:04 And they’re also looking at documents and the CDC guidelines

3:57:06 and all of that, and you know,

3:57:08 budgetary constraints and all that.

3:57:09 You know, I am happy to have whatever discussion,

3:57:12 we’ve had several, you know, hardy ones today.

3:57:17 What I wouldn’t wanna do is hamstring that task force

3:57:21 because they may be looking at the input

3:57:25 of 7,000 different people from our county.

3:57:28 And then the board came in and have a discussion.

3:57:30 And we have the few people,

3:57:32 I haven’t talked to 7,000 people.

3:57:34 I’ve got an email from, on this topic,

3:57:35 an email on this topic, and come in,

3:57:38 and then we might actually override something

3:57:40 that they’re working towards

3:57:43 when they’ve got the larger input, if that makes sense.

3:57:47 And plus they know, you know, what facilities can do,

3:57:50 what transportation can do.

3:57:51 We could come in as a board and say,

3:57:53 we want you to do this with busing next year.

3:57:55 You know, they’ve already been looking at experts and,

3:57:58 so I’m not, I don’t wanna give away our authority,

3:58:01 and I’m not saying that, and you’re right.

3:58:03 Thank you for reminding me to get where I need to be.

3:58:06 But at the same time, I don’t want to hamstring the people

3:58:09 who are doing the job because we as a board might come in

3:58:11 and go, oh no, nevermind, I know you’ve been working on it

3:58:13 for a really long time, and you’ve been listening

3:58:14 to 7,000 people, but we want you to do this.

3:58:18 So I just think we need to be really careful

3:58:19 moving forward this summer in those issues

3:58:22 to not take over when they’ve done a lot of work

3:58:27 in those areas.

3:58:31 - I’ll just, if there’s a second,

3:58:32 we’re not really doing Robert’s rules

3:58:34 in that fashion right now, but I can second Matt’s request

3:58:37 with Missy’s, with your caveat of,

3:58:41 let’s calendar it and put it on there.

3:58:44 I think it shows to the public that we’re engaged,

3:58:46 that we’re up on the issues, and if there’s nothing pressing,

3:58:50 we cancel it, if everyone else is okay with that.

3:58:54 Yes, ma’am.

3:58:55 - Mr. Gibbs, if we advertise for a meeting,

3:59:02 and then we cancel it, we would have to advertise

3:59:04 that we’re canceling it, right?

3:59:07 - You’d have to get it out publicly that it’s canceled.

3:59:11 You couldn’t, like, 5.30 roll around.

3:59:13 We don’t really have anything to talk about,

3:59:15 so we’re canceling it.

3:59:17 So you might as well, at that point, go on and just say,

3:59:19 hey, we don’t really have anything pressing.

3:59:23 - Can you 24 hours before, and is website

3:59:25 and social media enough, or you have to cancel it

3:59:27 in the same manner that you called it?

3:59:28 - The questions that are gonna come up are,

3:59:30 how are you gonna hold these?

3:59:31 Are they gonna be in person?

3:59:32 Are we opening our facilities up to these meetings?

3:59:36 Or are we saying no?

3:59:37 ‘Cause if you’re saying no,

3:59:39 you have to accommodate public comment

3:59:42 if you’re having a board meeting

3:59:44 where you can vote on anything.

3:59:47 So that if you’re not holding in-person meetings,

3:59:51 that means you’re doing the recording.

3:59:53 That’s 24 hours alone right there.

3:59:55 You’ve already got public comment.

3:59:57 So you’re gonna have to hold that board meeting

4:00:00 simply to come on air and say,

4:00:02 we only have public comment tonight, and here it is.

4:00:05 And we’re done.

4:00:07 So that would be a question.

4:00:08 If you’re gonna have public, it might be easier.

4:00:11 You can come in and say, hey,

4:00:12 we don’t really have anything, or you can just let it up.

4:00:14 Is there anybody that has any comments?

4:00:17 And do it that way.

4:00:18 But you’re gonna have people that are invested either way.

4:00:21 So I don’t know if you’re gonna wanna discard

4:00:24 those opinions if they came out.

4:00:26 If you’re holding in public,

4:00:27 are you gonna wanna just say go home at 5.30

4:00:30 because you don’t have anything really to discuss

4:00:33 as a board on that Tuesday, or are you gonna say,

4:00:36 we’re not listening to those public comments this week.

4:00:38 We’ll do it next week when we come on,

4:00:40 if they call in and recorded their conversation.

4:00:43 So those are the kinds of decisions

4:00:45 you’re gonna have to make with that.

4:00:46 If it’s a work session where you don’t need a vote,

4:00:49 just you have something every week

4:00:52 that you can collaborate with the superintendent.

4:00:54 This is what my people are working on.

4:00:57 What’s your opinions on that?

4:00:59 The public gets to sit there and listen to it.

4:01:01 You don’t do public comments generally at work sessions.

4:01:04 This discussion is gonna be had

4:01:07 if there’s a major decision that you wanna vote on

4:01:09 and you wanna ask the superintendent

4:01:11 if he’ll put it on the next agenda,

4:01:12 you would have that opportunity at that point.

4:01:15 You wouldn’t be inconveniencing anybody.

4:01:16 So those are the types of decisions

4:01:18 you’re gonna have to decide

4:01:19 if you wanna hold weekly meetings.

4:01:22 Otherwise my recommendation would be you advertise them,

4:01:24 you hold them if all that is,

4:01:25 is we’re gonna bring the public recording up

4:01:28 and everybody’s gonna listen to it

4:01:29 and we’re gonna say, that’s all we got.

4:01:31 Have a good evening.

4:01:32 We’re adjourned and that’s what you do.

4:01:33 - Our staff is working seven days a week right now.

4:01:36 We are in the middle of a COVID crisis.

4:01:38 I think that we as school board members

4:01:40 can come in once a week and listen to public comment

4:01:43 and discuss any items that we have coming up.

4:01:46 I truly do.

4:01:46 I think that the responsibility,

4:01:48 I think that by us not, and this is my personal opinion,

4:01:51 but us not coming in because we may not have anything

4:01:56 or in the middle of a crisis,

4:01:58 there’s always gonna be pieces and parts

4:02:01 that we need to discuss.

4:02:02 So my recommendation would be to come in

4:02:04 and allow public comment and allow people to speak

4:02:07 so that if there is a landmine out there

4:02:09 that we can address it, that’s all.

4:02:11 And I think that we owe it to our staff

4:02:14 who’s working their tail off too to be part of the team.

4:02:18 - I would just ask consideration Mr. Susan,

4:02:21 but us being here creates additional work

4:02:23 for our staff as well.

4:02:24 So I know it goes both ways, but Dr. Mullins.

4:02:31 - Thank you.

4:02:38 Thank you, Ms. Belfort.

4:02:44 Just gotta frame my thoughts.

4:02:51 I’m gonna take this opportunity to speak publicly

4:02:56 that I work very hard

4:03:01 to keep this board as informed sometimes on a daily basis,

4:03:05 well beyond the hours of a traditional workday.

4:03:10 I accommodate your schedules, your individual needs,

4:03:15 your individual perspectives,

4:03:18 and they consistently and predominantly weigh

4:03:21 into every decision that’s made in this organization

4:03:24 because I honor and revere your role

4:03:27 to represent our community and to represent your constituents

4:03:34 The decision of graduation was not made arbitrarily,

4:03:38 flippantly, or without careful consideration,

4:03:42 realizing that there was no even close to win-win situation.

4:03:50 We went through a deliberate and intentional process

4:03:53 to evaluate graduation when it became evident

4:03:57 that it was not gonna be feasible

4:04:00 at the end of the regular school year.

4:04:05 We presented to the board and the board affirmed a plan

4:04:09 to have graduation in June as a backup

4:04:11 and July as a backup as well.

4:04:14 I took the input of principals who received input

4:04:17 from their students, their seniors, their parents.

4:04:22 Yes, I met with our student government students via Skype.

4:04:27 And got their input.

4:04:30 Everyone understood, at least at the moment,

4:04:33 the implications of the world we’re living in,

4:04:36 the concerns and the safety measures

4:04:38 that would need to be in place

4:04:40 in consideration of each of those dates.

4:04:46 I was presented the realization

4:04:49 that to meet people’s expectations,

4:04:51 the district would have to make a decision by June 1st

4:04:54 for the June dates.

4:04:57 I conferred with staff.

4:04:59 I considered the situation.

4:05:02 We were in phase one.

4:05:03 And no indication of when we were gonna move beyond that.

4:05:09 I met my expectation to the announcement.

4:05:16 Weighed into consideration all of the factors.

4:05:21 And I made the deliberate decision to not put my kids,

4:05:25 our kids, in the middle of a grown-up decision.

4:05:30 I don’t think that’s a fair place to have put them in

4:05:32 because as much difference is represented

4:05:34 in this room right now,

4:05:36 there’ll be as much difference

4:05:37 represented among the students.

4:05:42 My heart is heavy and broken, quite frankly,

4:05:45 for our kids who have not had a traditional graduation.

4:05:50 And my heart is heavy as the father

4:05:52 of a military-bound young man myself

4:05:55 that our kids who are going in the military

4:05:57 may not experience an in-person graduation.

4:06:00 But my first and number one responsibility

4:06:03 to this community, to this organization,

4:06:06 to my role as a superintendent

4:06:08 is the health, safety, and welfare of our kids.

4:06:14 And it may be a long time

4:06:19 before we have universal agreement

4:06:21 on what health, safety, and welfare of our kids

4:06:24 and our community is gonna be.

4:06:28 And we’re gonna continue to struggle and strive

4:06:32 and disagreement on what that is.

4:06:35 At the end of the day,

4:06:37 regardless if it’s my decision to make graduation

4:06:40 when it is or it isn’t,

4:06:41 it will be my responsibility

4:06:43 to answer to the health, safety, and welfare of our kids.

4:06:48 And I would ask my board, our board,

4:06:51 to understand and honor that.

4:06:54 And help me answer to our community

4:06:56 where we’re at and why we’re there.

4:06:59 And we’re gonna continue to work

4:07:01 through the difficult decisions.

4:07:02 This is one of many that’s facing us for August 11th.

4:07:09 I’m gonna take this opportunity

4:07:11 and iterate to our public and to this board,

4:07:13 and I know you know,

4:07:14 but the men and women who are serving this district

4:07:18 right now, through this environment we have faced,

4:07:22 are some of the most admirable, hardworking,

4:07:26 dedicated, committed individuals

4:07:28 I have ever seen and worked with.

4:07:32 I can’t think of a cabinet member

4:07:34 that isn’t working a 12-hour day in this building

4:07:37 Monday through Friday.

4:07:40 And I know some of them and many of them

4:07:41 are working on the weekends

4:07:42 because I’m calling them and sending them emails,

4:07:45 getting clarification, and it’s not Monday morning

4:07:48 when I get a reply.

4:07:54 I am concerned at the proposition and suggestion

4:07:57 of more meetings to discuss.

4:07:59 You have entrusted me to be your CEO of this organization

4:08:03 and to handle the day-to-day operations

4:08:05 and the decisions of this organization.

4:08:08 And I will continue to work valiantly

4:08:11 to uphold my responsibilities

4:08:13 and charge this district forward.

4:08:16 But I have concerns if we’re going to talk…

4:08:21 Mr. Sousa, you’ve mentioned athletics.

4:08:26 My staff has been working

4:08:30 above all of the other responsibilities of the job

4:08:32 to develop a safe and sound process and plan

4:08:36 for students to have access to our campuses,

4:08:40 to resume conditioning in the summer,

4:08:42 which is voluntary and not paid, our individuals,

4:08:46 our coaches are not paid to do it.

4:08:52 So we’re prepared to move forward,

4:08:54 but I’m cautious now because I’m hearing

4:08:58 or it’s being suggested that the board is preparing to

4:09:06 have further discussion around it.

4:09:08 I support our staff’s process

4:09:10 to put together the guidelines.

4:09:12 We were prepared to roll it out

4:09:13 and begin training with athletic directors tomorrow,

4:09:16 but I can certainly pause that

4:09:17 if that’s the wishes of the board,

4:09:18 but I can’t pass up this moment

4:09:21 and not implore that our staff

4:09:28 is working like warriors

4:09:31 to support our community and our students

4:09:34 in a time we’ve all come to

4:09:39 the word unprecedented,

4:09:41 it seems to be redefined every day.

4:09:45 So I understand the concern

4:09:49 and the challenge around graduation,

4:09:52 but I would ask is the board suggesting

4:09:56 a change in our process and our procedure

4:09:59 over the indication of one situation

4:10:05 that could impact the efficiency of the organization?

4:10:11 I will certainly honor and respect the wishes of the board,

4:10:16 but I could not pass up the opportunity to one,

4:10:20 implore to the community,

4:10:23 the work that our employees are doing to support them

4:10:27 and our kids during a time that none of us,

4:10:32 this doesn’t even compare to the movies.

4:10:36 Our goal, our focus, our priority right now,

4:10:38 our mission right now is to open on August 3rd

4:10:43 with a safe and competent environment

4:10:46 for our staff and our students.

4:10:49 Our number one mission is to educate and serve our kids.

4:10:54 And we have an enormous climb ahead of us to do that

4:10:58 and ensure the community confidence

4:11:00 that I can in six weeks confidently sit here

4:11:03 and say before our community, we are ready.

4:11:08 We have got every universal precaution in place

4:11:11 and we’re gonna do everything we can to keep our kids safe.

4:11:14 Let’s get back to the business of focused,

4:11:16 intentional and deliberate learning.

4:11:23 So I would ask of the board

4:11:26 if this is a direction we’re moving in

4:11:28 that I be provided very clear direction

4:11:31 and understanding of what the expectation is

4:11:34 and what the expectation will be upon me

4:11:37 and our staff moving forward

4:11:40 and the information that will be requested

4:11:42 and required at these additional meetings

4:11:45 because it’ll be important that I meet with them

4:11:48 and help them understand

4:11:49 what the additional expectations are.

4:11:53 Thank you.

4:11:56 - Thank you, Dr. Mullins.

4:11:59 - I can follow.

4:12:01 So Dr. Mullins, I think that you pointed out

4:12:04 some great things.

4:12:05 Everybody’s moving.

4:12:06 We’re all going towards the same direction.

4:12:09 Staff is pushing

4:12:10 and they’re making these recommendations and efficiency

4:12:13 and there’s not a single person in here

4:12:15 that would disagree with that.

4:12:16 I think where the main issue that I would say is,

4:12:19 is that just like when I was speaking to you before about,

4:12:21 I said, hey, I have some concerns about the athletics piece,

4:12:25 the groups of kids that are gonna be allowed back,

4:12:27 what sports, all that stuff can we discuss?

4:12:29 That’s awesome, right?

4:12:30 So you and I might be able to collaborate on that one issue,

4:12:33 but everybody in here may be wanting input on that piece

4:12:37 or they may wanna give it to you.

4:12:38 And I may be wrong or right based on information

4:12:41 that I hear from my peers.

4:12:43 One of the, when we go,

4:12:45 the philosophical thing that you just said,

4:12:47 kind of I agreed all the way.

4:12:49 And then the philosophical piece at the end was,

4:12:52 if we have meetings,

4:12:54 we are somehow going to change the health

4:12:58 and wellness of our students.

4:13:00 And I just, my thing was twofold.

4:13:04 I truly believe that the school board should be weighing in

4:13:07 and giving direction.

4:13:08 And if that’s not at the time when it begins,

4:13:11 part of the conversation,

4:13:12 whether it’s all of those pieces of the athletics

4:13:15 that in the beginning we say,

4:13:16 hey, here’s what our concerns are,

4:13:18 or at the end, we need to have some input in there.

4:13:21 And I think that also the people need to understand

4:13:23 the argument from holistically

4:13:24 why we’re doing certain things.

4:13:27 And so when I say that the extra meetings

4:13:29 is to accomplish those two,

4:13:30 it’s actually bringing the school district

4:13:32 into the fold of the decision-making process,

4:13:35 which is statutorily what we’re supposed to do,

4:13:38 and just being a part of the process,

4:13:41 not just sitting here watching it happen

4:13:44 from a 30,000 foot view.

4:13:45 And I think that was what my concern was.

4:13:47 So when I’m making my suggestions,

4:13:49 please understand that it is in no way a vote of confidence

4:13:53 against what you do.

4:13:54 You and your staff do an amazing job.

4:13:56 I just think that during this process,

4:13:59 there’s been some questions that have been raised

4:14:01 as to our role.

4:14:02 And I feel like we have the right

4:14:04 to make those suggestions and those moves.

4:14:07 That’s all.

4:14:07 And I would recommend that we meet every Tuesday,

4:14:10 take public input.

4:14:11 And then if there’s an issue that comes up,

4:14:12 we would like to discuss, we can discuss it there.

4:14:15 But just like right now,

4:14:16 the athletics that you’re gonna,

4:14:17 you supposedly are gonna roll out

4:14:18 with the athletic directors.

4:14:20 I would like to see that prior to it being rolled out.

4:14:22 That’s all.

4:14:23 And I think that that’s a part of the conversation

4:14:25 for us to say.

4:14:27 That’s all.

4:14:31 - Ms. Campbell, would you like to weigh in

4:14:33 on additional meeting?

4:14:44 - I don’t wanna have a meeting for meetings sake.

4:14:48 Not casting, not making a judgment on motives or anything.

4:14:52 I don’t wanna have a meeting so that we are seen

4:14:54 as having the discussion.

4:14:56 I feel like when I have input, I give it.

4:15:00 And to Dr. Mullins and to cabinet,

4:15:03 I’ve sent articles and less,

4:15:04 “Hey, have you seen this?”

4:15:05 And almost every single time it’s been,

4:15:06 “Oh yeah, that’s the document we’re working off of.”

4:15:11 Responding to the public,

4:15:12 directing their input to the people who need it.

4:15:18 Am I willing to come here on Tuesdays?

4:15:21 Is there something we need to talk about?

4:15:22 But honestly, I prefer us,

4:15:26 when Dr. Mullins has something that he needs us to vote on

4:15:28 to move forward, then we come together.

4:15:32 But if the wishes of the board is to meet every week,

4:15:36 I’ll be here, I’ll clear my calendar,

4:15:38 except for the first week of July.

4:15:40 - Ms. Duskovich.

4:15:43 - I am flexible with what the board wants to do.

4:15:48 I can come Tuesdays, no problem.

4:15:52 I also, maybe we should consider the work session version

4:15:56 so that I feel like a board meeting puts staff

4:16:00 maybe at more work, and that would have to be something

4:16:02 Dr. Mullins would have to weigh in on.

4:16:04 But taking, recording public comments,

4:16:07 or them coming in, it just sounds like a lot more work.

4:16:11 But hearing the public voice is important, Mr. Susan.

4:16:14 So again, I just draw back to,

4:16:18 we’re the representatives of the public,

4:16:20 so you reach out and say, send me what you want me to voice.

4:16:24 I think that’s more what it’s about, Dr. Mullins,

4:16:26 for me, I don’t know about Mr. Susan,

4:16:28 it’s not about micromanaging the operations for me.

4:16:31 It’s more about, and Ms. Campbell,

4:16:34 I kind of picked up on what you said,

4:16:36 a meeting for meeting just to,

4:16:39 it sounds a little bit like

4:16:40 just so we can sit out here and talk,

4:16:42 but there’s also a role for that in our form of government,

4:16:46 which is that if 200 people message me,

4:16:50 they wanna hear their voice heard,

4:16:51 and I’m glad, I had forgotten about

4:16:53 the 6,000 public voices, that’s super important.

4:16:56 But if they can’t physically be here,

4:16:59 I’m their representative,

4:17:00 and there’s a role for them to watch it

4:17:03 and hear their concerns.

4:17:05 There’s sickly and elderly people right now

4:17:08 that are thrilled that you spoke up for them.

4:17:10 There’s a military student that’s probably happy

4:17:11 that I spoke up for them.

4:17:12 And there’s a role where they feel heard

4:17:14 when these things are discussed publicly.

4:17:17 If you’ve watched the news,

4:17:18 there’s some other districts in Florida right now

4:17:19 where a district came up and presented to the public

4:17:23 two options for opening,

4:17:25 and all five board members have now publicly come out

4:17:27 and said, “We never heard it, we never saw it.”

4:17:29 I wouldn’t expect something like that to happen here,

4:17:32 but without us touching base more

4:17:34 when stuff is changing so much,

4:17:36 I just wonder if it’s not an opportunity to touch base more.

4:17:39 Again, not to micromanage, Dr. Mullins.

4:17:41 At least, I don’t feel like it’s to micromanage.

4:17:43 It’s to be the public voice with each other

4:17:47 and to touch base with each other

4:17:48 because it’s frustrating that I can’t talk to you all

4:17:50 about everything we’re going through.

4:17:55 Was that a nice, confusing, non-answer for you?

4:17:57 - Ms. McDougall.

4:18:00 - I wanna say, Dr. Mullins,

4:18:03 I certainly have no desire to micromanage you.

4:18:05 I think the team is doing a fabulous job.

4:18:07 This is a very difficult time.

4:18:09 It’s unprecedented, as we say, over and over again.

4:18:13 I understand that it would be nice, certainly for me,

4:18:17 to see you all more often and to talk about things,

4:18:20 but at what point, what do we decide

4:18:22 that we wanna weigh in in?

4:18:24 At what point do we say, “Wait a minute, stop.

4:18:28 “We need to talk.”

4:18:29 Are we going, we’re gonna hinder our staff

4:18:32 to, this is a very short window,

4:18:35 and who knows what tomorrow’s going to bring?

4:18:37 We just don’t know.

4:18:38 It changes all the time.

4:18:39 So a meeting, do we wanna put one on every Tuesday?

4:18:43 I’m not sure, I don’t know if we need that,

4:18:47 but I understand that we are the voice of our public,

4:18:50 and I do want to represent them,

4:18:52 and that’s kinda why I talked about alternative graduations,

4:18:55 because I think we need to be thinking of that,

4:18:58 because I don’t know what July’s gonna bring.

4:19:01 So again, this is a wishy-washy response.

4:19:04 I don’t feel, unless there is something

4:19:07 that we need to weigh in in at this point,

4:19:10 I like the work sessions, I do.

4:19:12 We talk about a lot of different things,

4:19:15 but I can’t say that I think we need every single Tuesday.

4:19:22 - So I’m not hearing that the majority of the board,

4:19:27 I will tell you, I am more than happy

4:19:28 to be here on Tuesdays.

4:19:29 I have no problem coming here and having discussions,

4:19:32 and I think that it can be fruitful,

4:19:34 but I do think that we have to be cognizant of,

4:19:37 I mean, how many people, we have Dr. Mullins,

4:19:39 we have Mr. Gibbs, we have Ms. Escobar,

4:19:41 we have Mr. Francisco, we have Louis,

4:19:44 we have staff on hand in case we have questions,

4:19:47 like us coming here puts a drain on the resources

4:19:53 that are already incredibly strained,

4:19:55 whether we like it or not, it’s just the way it is.

4:19:58 So if I may suggest, and we have to be cognizant of timeline

4:20:04 because Pam has to have a way to advertise,

4:20:07 we are back here together next Tuesday,

4:20:09 so it’s not even a week away, right?

4:20:14 And then we have another one on June 13th,

4:20:17 so it’s only 15 days apart.

4:20:20 Perhaps the better option rather than just scheduling

4:20:23 to be here every Tuesday is if there is an issue

4:20:28 that comes up, any board member can send an email to Paul,

4:20:34 right, and say, I have concerns about this,

4:20:39 or realistically, the best way to handle it

4:20:42 would be to speak to Dr. Mullins and say, Dr. Mullins,

4:20:44 I really feel like we need to get board input on this,

4:20:47 and then he can coordinate scheduling that work session

4:20:51 for the following week, rather than us setting up meetings

4:20:54 and taking up staff time.

4:20:56 And as far as I’m concerned, I trust him to take board input

4:21:03 and be honest in following up with the rest of the board

4:21:07 as far as his actions.

4:21:10 You know, I don’t think he’s ever going to tell us,

4:21:15 oh, only two people felt this way, or you know what I mean?

4:21:18 I think if there is a board request to move in a direction,

4:21:22 he’s going to follow through with it.

4:21:25 And I think perhaps–

4:21:26 - I would never want any of our teams

4:21:28 to stop what they’re doing or to slow down

4:21:30 what they’re doing, because we might meet on a Tuesday

4:21:32 and change the direction, because they’ve got stuff to do

4:21:35 in a really timely fashion.

4:21:38 So would you all be comfortable with just knowing

4:21:40 that the opportunity is there to request that we meet

4:21:42 on and off Tuesday, if there’s something that comes up

4:21:45 that you feel needs urgent?

4:21:49 - First off, if I could request it,

4:21:52 it just seemed like everybody was kind of blue-gray area.

4:21:55 Like, oh, I liked the idea, but not really.

4:21:57 Okay, so I would like to get a yes or no,

4:21:59 if we could, just yes or no.

4:22:01 The second piece is, the answer to your question,

4:22:04 Ms. Belford, is that we’ve already tried

4:22:08 to possibly make a request for a meeting,

4:22:12 which would have slowed down and taken it up.

4:22:14 Like if you make the request on a Friday,

4:22:17 the earliest that we can get that meeting

4:22:19 is the next Thursday.

4:22:21 So if we’re meeting on a Tuesday,

4:22:23 generally everything can usually come up right then.

4:22:27 But by Friday, something might come up.

4:22:29 We can’t meet until the following Thursday.

4:22:32 And then sometimes everybody says,

4:22:33 well, do you really want to come in

4:22:34 because we’re gonna be back here the following Tuesday?

4:22:37 And I just think it becomes that piece.

4:22:40 I truly believe that in no way

4:22:42 is this a confidence vote on Dr. Moles.

4:22:44 And I don’t want that to be this way.

4:22:46 I just truly believe that there needs to be an avenue

4:22:49 for the people to come out and express what they’re feeling.

4:22:51 And I truly believe that we as board members

4:22:54 need to be giving our collective thoughts

4:22:57 on the processes and things that were coming in.

4:23:00 There’s a thousand pieces that are coming.

4:23:02 Like the teacher’s union, if you have to extend days,

4:23:05 if you have like all of these things

4:23:06 need to be collaborated and communicated.

4:23:09 And we’re only meeting, I think,

4:23:11 twice in the next month, I think.

4:23:14 And so a lot of those pieces,

4:23:16 I feel like having a meeting would be good.

4:23:18 Now that’s me.

4:23:19 I just said, I would like to have a meeting,

4:23:21 but I would just ask if everybody could say yes or no,

4:23:25 or give a definitive, I don’t want to meet her, I do.

4:23:27 You know what I mean?

4:23:28 Because what you’re saying is let’s just let everybody

4:23:31 just make a request.

4:23:32 And I think that’s too nebulous

4:23:34 because we still don’t even know what our power is

4:23:36 as far as a school district

4:23:38 and what we can make a decision about, right?

4:23:41 I think that the, like, if we can’t,

4:23:44 if operationally, like if it’s found out

4:23:47 from the state statutes that no,

4:23:48 you are not allowed to say anything about graduation

4:23:51 or that, well, then we are in wrong

4:23:53 by having meetings to try to do that.

4:23:56 I feel that we have the right to oversee

4:23:58 if something’s hicking up as collaboratively,

4:24:01 that’s just me.

4:24:03 - I don’t know that just discussing it, it’s wrong.

4:24:05 So I would say you’re not wrong

4:24:07 to have this type of discussion.

4:24:09 If you wanted, you know, at the end of mid-May,

4:24:13 if it came up, like, when are we going to do?

4:24:15 And you wanted a meeting on, let’s talk this out.

4:24:19 I don’t remember when it went to the board.

4:24:21 Dr. Mullins mentioned it went to the board

4:24:23 as far as approving June and July alternative dates,

4:24:27 but that was an opportunity.

4:24:28 So if you just want to have meetings

4:24:30 to discuss key issues, I mean,

4:24:33 who has the authority is a different question.

4:24:35 If you just want to discuss it,

4:24:36 you guys can sit here and schedule meetings twice a week

4:24:40 to come in and discuss things if you want.

4:24:43 So come in here and discuss all day

4:24:47 and let everybody know what your opinion is.

4:24:49 There’s nothing wrong with that.

4:24:50 You’re going to take up, you might take up resources

4:24:53 if you need staff to come in and provide that input.

4:24:57 - Ms. McDougall, would you like to schedule a meeting

4:24:59 every week, yes or no?

4:25:01 Mr. Susan.

4:25:02 - Yes.

4:25:03 - Ms. Deskevich.

4:25:09 - I don’t think it’s a black and white issue,

4:25:10 but I’m going to say no because I am,

4:25:13 I want to meet when it’s important.

4:25:17 So I said no.

4:25:23 - If it’s a work session,

4:25:24 can we cancel the night before or you can’t?

4:25:27 ‘Cause there’s no public comments.

4:25:29 - I mean, you can cancel them.

4:25:31 It just get posted that, hey, we’re not going to hold it.

4:25:35 - Yeah, and there’s no public comments.

4:25:36 - ‘Cause if you go back out there,

4:25:37 we could have it come out.

4:25:39 - Do we have to advertise a cancellation?

4:25:41 - You’re not going to be able to get an ad in

4:25:44 the day before you’d have to, I would say,

4:25:47 send out a, at least put it on the website,

4:25:49 post it wherever you can that you’re canceling.

4:25:54 - Sorry, I’m not giving you a yes.

4:25:55 I’m going to say yes to a work session

4:25:58 and maybe we just schedule a live right now.

4:26:02 - Ms. Campbell.

4:26:03 - I probably made it a little harder right now

4:26:05 because we had three, this is one of the times

4:26:06 we have three weeks to be doing more meetings.

4:26:09 So not counting today.

4:26:12 - Do we have three weeks between the next two weeks?

4:26:14 - No, we have two in June.

4:26:15 We have two in July.

4:26:18 - Same as usual, just not long.

4:26:20 This was the only one that changed.

4:26:22 This is the long stretch.

4:26:24 So.

4:26:26 - Okay, I’m going to go now as well.

4:26:29 If we would like to have a discussion at Tuesday’s meeting

4:26:34 about, you know, if we feel like there’s anything

4:26:36 on the horizon that we need to anticipate,

4:26:39 then I think we can certainly bring that up,

4:26:43 but I think we need to make sure that it comes up,

4:26:46 you know, in enough time that we can,

4:26:48 Pam can make arrangements for a meeting to be scheduled.

4:26:53 - All right, is there any additional discussion for today?

4:26:58 - Dr. Miles, I think you said you were going to give us

4:27:00 an update on athletics, but then you just said

4:27:03 you don’t want to give us an update on athletics.

4:27:10 - I can give the board an update

4:27:11 on the work that staff has done.

4:27:15 Ms. Moore has met with high school principals

4:27:19 and high school athletic directors,

4:27:22 a small group of them to work through what is called

4:27:26 our return to activity plan, allowing students back

4:27:30 onto campus in a very controlled and environment

4:27:36 with protocols and guidelines of what are expected

4:27:40 to ensure their safety.

4:27:42 Ms. Moore presented it to principals last week,

4:27:46 gave them all an opportunity to weigh in

4:27:48 and provide input to the proposal.

4:27:51 She met with them again yesterday

4:27:54 after my meeting with principals

4:27:56 and solidified the recommendations of return to activity.

4:28:04 We are moving toward or preparing,

4:28:06 we were preparing for as early as a June 22nd,

4:28:10 that’s Monday, June 22nd, access to campus

4:28:15 between tomorrow and next week.

4:28:18 Athletic directors would be trained

4:28:20 and would ensure they had the right processes

4:28:23 and procedures in place.

4:28:25 It would allow coaches on a volunteer basis

4:28:28 to provide conditioning opportunities for their athletes.

4:28:33 No guests would be allowed on campus outside of staff

4:28:36 and the student athletes.

4:28:39 They would be expected to work in groups no larger than 10.

4:28:43 There could be multiple groups at a conditioning session,

4:28:47 but they would be required to work in groups of 10.

4:28:54 We are at this stage of the return to activity plan.

4:28:59 Locker rooms would not be utilized.

4:29:02 Workouts should be conducted with the same groups

4:29:05 of five to 10 students and be adhering

4:29:10 to a minimum distance of six feet

4:29:11 between individuals at all times.

4:29:13 There’s other guidelines and expectations

4:29:16 for facilities cleaning, hydration.

4:29:19 We are prohibiting the use of multiple use water stations.

4:29:24 Students are expected to bring their own water bottle

4:29:27 and not share them.

4:29:30 And then guidelines on equipment, towels, shoes, clothing,

4:29:38 and so on.

4:29:40 So I can, I would suggest at this point

4:29:45 that we not slow the process,

4:29:47 but continue to train athletic directors tomorrow

4:29:49 unless there’s specific direction from the board to pause.

4:29:52 And we will provide the full details of the stage of plan

4:29:55 and wait for further direction.

4:29:59 - Can I ask a quick question?

4:30:01 Dr. Mullins, inside of the gymnasium, for instance,

4:30:05 we have say volleyball or one of those sports.

4:30:09 Am I hearing you correctly?

4:30:10 That if they were to work,

4:30:12 if they’re working out inside,

4:30:15 they cannot have more than 10 people, is that right?

4:30:17 Or is that outside and inside?

4:30:18 I’m sorry.

4:30:21 - Limitations on gatherings.

4:30:22 No gatherings of more than 10 people at a time,

4:30:24 inside or outside, in any one place,

4:30:28 in any one area or place.

4:30:30 Gyms and football fields can be considered

4:30:32 two separate areas or places

4:30:34 if students are appropriately separated.

4:30:37 With appropriate separation,

4:30:38 a track could also be considered a separate area

4:30:40 from a football field.

4:30:41 As many groups as can be supervised by an adult

4:30:44 and that meet all gathering guidelines is allowable.

4:30:47 - So Dr. Mullins, if we have a football team

4:30:49 that has 60 kids,

4:30:51 are they only allowed to have two sets of 10

4:30:55 on the football field?

4:30:56 Meaning that like the football players

4:30:58 or 10 are allowed on the football field,

4:31:00 10 are allowed on the track.

4:31:02 So meaning that they would have to have two coaches.

4:31:04 And if they’re to continue to maybe have them

4:31:07 all at one time rather than all day,

4:31:09 that would be that they would have to have

4:31:11 different locations throughout the school of groups of 10.

4:31:14 Is that what I’m hearing you say?

4:31:16 - After conferring with coaches, athletic directors

4:31:21 and all of the high school principals,

4:31:24 they felt like this accommodated the needs

4:31:26 that they would have for conditioning.

4:31:29 - Okay, but I’m just asking,

4:31:31 so if a football team has 40 or 50 people,

4:31:35 they can utilize the different facilities

4:31:37 throughout the day at the school,

4:31:39 as long as they’re separate in different locations.

4:31:42 So if there’s one on the soccer field,

4:31:43 there’s one on the football field,

4:31:44 there’s one on the track.

4:31:46 That was all I was just asking.

4:31:47 - That’s correct.

4:31:48 A group of football athletes could be as many as 50 or 60,

4:31:53 as long as they are managed in groups of 10

4:31:55 and there’s appropriate supervision.

4:31:57 - So on a football field, 50 yards by 100 yards,

4:32:00 only 10 people can go there.

4:32:02 Is that right?

4:32:03 Just I’m trying to make clarification

4:32:05 so everybody understands.

4:32:06 - Mr. Susan, I’m confident that we would make

4:32:08 those clarifications with athletic directors

4:32:10 when we train them.

4:32:11 I can’t speak specifically.

4:32:13 I can ask Ms. Moore to come and speak

4:32:14 if that’s the request of the board.

4:32:16 - I think what the question there is,

4:32:19 is that part of the concern is the larger teams,

4:32:23 also band, say for instance.

4:32:26 You have your bands that may want to start to condition.

4:32:30 It’s very difficult for one individual

4:32:31 or maybe three or four individuals to take

4:32:34 and condition all of those kids in separates all day long

4:32:38 to accommodate the large size.

4:32:40 So if you have a band that needs to work out at Rockledge

4:32:45 or Viera, then they have 200 people inside of there.

4:32:49 Then you’re gonna be talking about 20 coaches

4:32:51 trying to run an hour worth or whatever that is.

4:32:53 It just, it becomes a piece.

4:32:54 So I would hope that during the conversation

4:32:57 with the athletic directors and everybody else,

4:32:59 that social distancing on a field, which is six feet apart,

4:33:04 could accomplish part of that goal,

4:33:06 maybe in larger numbers than 10, that’s all.

4:33:08 - I will tell you, Mr. Susan, that I asked about,

4:33:11 they had just started a discussion about marching bands,

4:33:14 which happens usually in the summer.

4:33:15 And she said, once they get done with athletic part of it,

4:33:17 that that was what they were gonna be

4:33:19 turning their attention to next.

4:33:21 - Oh, so this doesn’t even include the band

4:33:25 and stuff like that.

4:33:26 This is only athletics.

4:33:27 - I do not believe this includes band.

4:33:30 - Okay, do you know Dr. Mullins of a specific time

4:33:34 certain that we might be able to get back

4:33:35 and have that conversation with the band directors

4:33:38 and stuff like that?

4:33:39 ‘Cause I apologize.

4:33:40 I thought that athletics was also inclusive of band

4:33:43 and possibly because I do know that those kids

4:33:47 need to be in shape too, Ms. Campbell, right?

4:33:49 ‘Cause they’re out there in the heat and everything else.

4:33:52 - Those kinds of things.

4:33:52 I mean, I can’t speak for every school,

4:33:54 but they usually start in July.

4:33:55 - I would just offer to the board that Ms. Moore

4:33:57 is in regular and ongoing conversation

4:33:59 with our school leaders and that includes representatives.

4:34:02 And she’s bringing forward a balanced approach

4:34:07 to providing access to our campuses

4:34:09 while also meeting the needs of the programs

4:34:11 that have made the request.

4:34:13 I can’t tell you at this moment,

4:34:16 Ms. Moore provided this to me at six this morning

4:34:20 when we were in the office.

4:34:22 And I haven’t had a chance to fully read it

4:34:24 since we’ve come to this meeting.

4:34:28 - If I just may real quick, thank you for making that happen.

4:34:33 - Any additional comments, questions, concerns?

4:34:37 All right, then we are adjourned.

4:34:39 Dr. Mullins.

4:34:40 - I just would appreciate direction from the board.

4:34:41 Are you comfortable with us moving forward

4:34:43 or would you like time to review it?

4:34:44 I realize I’ve been keeping informed individually,

4:34:47 but happy to, we’ll get this out to the board and.

4:34:54 - Ms. Campbell, you’re comfortable with them moving forward?

4:34:56 - Yes, don’t pause.

4:34:57 - Ms. Duskovich, comfortable with them moving forward?

4:34:59 - Yeah, open something, anything.

4:35:01 - Mr. Susan.

4:35:03 - Yes, and please get as fast as possible

4:35:05 to those band directors to appropriately open them too.

4:35:11 - Thank you.

4:35:16 - Don’t forget to sign Dr. Mullins.

4:35:19 (upbeat music)