Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL

2020-07-09 - School Board Meeting

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15:25 - Today board members will assemble in the boardroom

15:27 with the exception of Ms. McDougall

15:28 who will be joining us telephonically.

15:31 The public may join us via our usual streaming channels.

15:34 Before we get started with a roll call this morning

15:36 and our pledge of allegiance,

15:38 I wanted to just give our public

15:40 a little bit of information about

15:42 what today really is about.

15:44 Typically when we are under normal functioning circumstances

15:49 the board would have an opportunity to have a work session

15:52 around issues before they come to us at a board meeting.

15:55 And so today is our opportunity.

15:57 The board’s first opportunity to see our reopening plan,

16:00 ask questions and request additional information.

16:04 We’re not making any decisions today on the reopening plans,

16:08 but we are going to dig in and make sure that we understand

16:11 and get any additional information that we need to get

16:14 prior to the reopening plan coming to the board,

16:18 to the board meeting next Tuesday.

16:20 And I think it’s important to note too,

16:22 this has been an incredibly emotional topic.

16:26 There is no lack of understanding for the seriousness

16:32 of our role and the responsibility that we have

16:35 to ensure the health and safety of our students

16:37 and our faculty and staff.

16:40 And while it is emotional, I want to encourage our public

16:43 that we are aware that we have this huge responsibility.

16:46 We have a fabulous team who’s been working to ensure that.

16:49 And at the end of the day, we may have some disagreement

16:52 on how we achieve those health and safety measures,

16:55 but I think it’s important to note that we’re all here

16:58 to ensure that we can bring everyone back safely

17:00 and continue strong quality education in the fall.

17:04 So those are our goals today.

17:07 This time, Ms. Escobar, would you please call roll?

17:15 - Mrs. Belford? - Present.

17:17 - Ms. McDougall? - Present.

17:20 - Mr. Susan? - Present.

17:22 - Mrs. Deskevich? - Present.

17:24 - And Mrs. Campbell? - Present.

17:27 - If you would please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

17:32 - I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

17:35 of America and to the republic for which it stands,

17:40 one nation under God, indivisible,

17:43 with liberty and justice for all.

17:49 - Okay, Dr. Mullins, I believe at this point,

17:51 I’m turning it over to you to begin our discussion.

17:54 - Thank you, Ms. Belford, board members,

17:57 thank you for the opportunity to present to you

17:59 and bring forward for discussion and further consideration

18:04 of the 2020-21 reopening of schools.

18:08 I’d like to start by just acknowledging

18:11 and recognizing the team that came together now

18:15 a few weeks ago and really has been meeting tirelessly

18:19 and in some instances endlessly

18:23 to carefully consider all of the impacts, implications

18:29 to reopening our schools in the midst of what we’re facing

18:34 as a community, a country, and as a nation.

18:39 And I would like to just acknowledge

18:41 that every individual was completely

18:44 and fully invested in the process.

18:47 The team consisted of 14 members across the district,

18:51 a very cross-functional representation

18:54 of every function, aspect, and element of the district.

18:59 In addition, the task force, the team,

19:03 sought aggressively the input and feedback

19:08 from every possible constituent stakeholder

19:12 across our community.

19:14 They stood up a web-based portal for input.

19:19 My last awareness was there was over 13,000 comments

19:24 and inputs provided.

19:26 I want to assure our community and stakeholders

19:28 that every input was reviewed and considered,

19:32 collated, and brought to the task force

19:34 as they continued to work through

19:36 some of the different challenges and situations.

19:41 Our school advisory councils at all of our schools met,

19:45 which, as the board knows, consists of stakeholders

19:50 across the local school community,

19:52 from parents, students, and so on.

19:55 And they provided input along the way,

19:57 which was brought to the task force as well.

20:01 And we met with our union leaders,

20:03 and we met with teachers and considered

20:08 the full array of teacher-type circumstances in our schools.

20:14 When we think of a teacher, we may think narrowly,

20:18 a classroom teacher is a classroom teacher.

20:20 But there is a broad array of the different environments

20:24 that our teachers work in,

20:25 and all of those were taken into consideration.

20:29 So I’d like to just give my very public

20:33 and sincere appreciation to the entire team

20:37 and all of the work that has gone in.

20:39 And clearly, the work has not ended.

20:42 There will be a follow-up after our conversation today,

20:46 for sure, but I wanna thank them.

20:48 But this was on top of all of the other duties

20:52 and responsibilities that they have had along the way.

20:54 Leading the task force, I wanna give special recognition

20:58 and my appreciation to three cabinet members

21:01 who have really carried a tremendous amount

21:04 of the responsibility as well as the work

21:06 to prepare for the information

21:09 that we’re bringing to you today.

21:12 First, Dr. Stephanie Sullivan, Assistant Superintendent

21:16 of Secondary Leading and Learning.

21:18 To her right is Ms. Jane Klein,

21:21 Assistant Superintendent of Elementary Leading and Learning.

21:24 And then again, to her right, Ms. Chris Moore,

21:27 Assistant Superintendent of Student Services.

21:30 And they’ve been working even into the night yesterday

21:35 to prepare for today and the information.

21:37 So I appreciate the opportunity to acknowledge these folks.

21:41 If you look at the end of the presentation,

21:43 all of the individuals that have contributed

21:47 to the task force are listed and represented there.

21:51 I do wanna give special acknowledgement

21:54 to our Department of Health representative.

21:57 Patty, I never get your last name right,

21:59 Seibert is with us today and the health department

22:03 was represented on the task force as well.

22:06 So Patty, thank you for being here today.

22:08 At this time, I’d like to turn it over to Dr. Sullivan

22:11 to get us started in the presentation.

22:13 The board, I provided a handout that delineates,

22:17 we’ve built in pauses throughout the presentation

22:20 for the board to ask questions.

22:24 We thought that would be a better organizational means

22:27 than slide by slide or certainly wait until the end

22:31 because there’s a lot of information.

22:32 So you’ll see that we’ll pause there.

22:34 If you’d collect your questions on the slides

22:36 that are presented, then Madam Chair,

22:39 I’ll turn it over to you to take questions

22:42 from the board members.

22:43 So with that, Dr. Sullivan, get us started, thank you.

22:47 - Ms. Balfour, thank you for your preface.

22:49 That was an important part of what we’re doing here today.

22:53 And thank you so much for our board members being here today

22:56 and helping us flesh out this plan

22:58 before we finalize some decisions prior to Tuesday.

23:02 And finalized decision is a very weak term

23:07 because the climate changes daily.

23:09 The past three days we’ve had different

23:11 Florida Department of Education conferences,

23:13 webinars and information.

23:15 And so as we move forward,

23:18 we’ll be sharing with you today our recommendations.

23:21 We have pens in hand ready to cross off,

23:24 erase and mark up, take your feedback

23:28 and then make those amendments prior to Tuesday

23:31 as we put it out to our community.

23:33 So really appreciate that you’re gonna take the time

23:36 to go through it with us.

23:37 It’s a real testament to your commitment

23:38 and we really appreciate it.

23:40 It is very text heavy as you can imagine.

23:42 We’re handling a lot of complex issues

23:45 and appreciate your willingness to flesh out

23:48 even the tiniest of detail without the team

23:51 to make sure it truly represents the best work

23:54 that we can do in this current situation.

23:56 Something that was really important to us

23:58 as we began this process was to reground ourselves

24:02 in what we believed in in Brevard Public Schools.

24:05 We did not wanna take on the task of reviewing

24:07 the best way to open up the district

24:10 without really reflecting on what were already

24:12 pre-identified priorities of this board,

24:15 the superintendent and our school community.

24:18 And so as we take a look at our strategic plan goals

24:21 and initiatives, I think we can see very easily

24:26 that they don’t change in this circumstance.

24:29 They don’t differ from what we want and hope

24:32 and expect to provide for our students.

24:35 When we look at objectives like ensure every student

24:39 has daily engagement with complex

24:42 grade appropriate curriculum.

24:44 That all of our students have certified skilled teachers

24:48 who hold high expectations for learning.

24:51 Our emphasis on equitable supports,

24:54 our students who have diverse learning needs,

24:57 and of course early literacy.

24:59 Early literacy is paramount to success

25:01 for all of our students regardless

25:03 of their post-secondary goals.

25:06 When we go and look at our objectives

25:08 regarding to exceptional workforce,

25:10 again, every decision that we make

25:13 and plan that we propose is grounded in these ideas.

25:18 We want strong, developed, diverse and skilled workforces.

25:22 We want people to have the appropriate

25:23 professional development.

25:25 And you know what?

25:26 Our priorities this year are different

25:28 than they were a year ago.

25:29 And so we are ready to adjust

25:32 and customize professional development

25:34 based on the needs of our teachers.

25:35 We took a step back and pulled out

25:38 of our district mandated professional development

25:41 during pre-planning because we know

25:43 what our original perspectives were

25:45 don’t necessarily represent the needs

25:47 and desires of our local school communities.

25:50 And then of course community connectivity.

25:53 None of this is possible without a really clear

25:56 collective partnership with our school communities

26:00 including our parents and our students,

26:02 government agencies, local leaders.

26:05 They’ve all been really invaluable to the process.

26:08 And then boy, you would have thought

26:11 we knew this was coming when this first objective

26:13 was written, provide safe, healthy

26:16 and fully equipped working and learning environments.

26:19 And so again, by revisiting what were already

26:22 our organizational objectives, what were already

26:25 our goals, it really helped focus the team

26:28 on continuing the work that the board has done

26:31 in focusing our efforts to improve student achievement

26:35 and overall culture of our schools.

26:39 But of course all of this is anchored

26:41 in an equity framework.

26:44 I think that we have been extraordinarily overt

26:48 in our passion and our commitment to equity

26:51 and revisiting our academic programs, our supports

26:55 that don’t necessarily help us meet that vision.

26:58 And so all of that work didn’t stop ‘cause of COVID.

27:02 And in fact, that work was amplified because of COVID.

27:05 And you can see that we take a lot of pride

27:08 in this statement that we put forward

27:10 on the equity framework because we know that COVID-19

27:14 further complicated and exacerbated social

27:17 and emotional inequities because of the additional impact

27:21 on our workforce, our social systems, housing, employment,

27:26 all of those factors that we know contribute

27:28 to the wellbeing of our children.

27:30 We know that that safety groundwork takes us all back

27:33 to Maslow, so we’ve all read Maslow.

27:36 Boy, it’s never been bolded more than it is right now.

27:40 And we are not minimizing the impact that that has had

27:44 on our students and community.

27:45 So our emphasis on equity was simply amplified.

27:48 It was not derailed ‘cause we were struck with a crisis.

27:51 And so we really wanted to emphasize that for our families.

27:57 Content, resources, and references.

27:59 Well, one Google search will tell you

28:02 that there are no limits to the amount of expertise

28:06 out there on an unknown situation.

28:09 We read it all, we relied on it all.

28:12 We were agnostic when it comes to research.

28:16 If there was information out there, we wanted to read it.

28:20 That being said, what you see in front of you

28:22 are the priority resources that for obviously many reasons

28:27 we really anchored our work in.

28:30 Centers for Disease Control,

28:31 I think that goes without saying.

28:33 Very recently, the American Academy of Pediatrics

28:37 just put out a comprehensive guideline.

28:39 We’re really pleased to get a document like that

28:41 from an organization of medical professionals

28:45 that specialize in children.

28:47 And we felt like that was really important.

28:49 Of course, the Florida Department of Health,

28:51 we’ve all become BFFs with Patty and her team

28:55 at the Health Department.

28:56 And we are so thankful for their gracious time.

29:00 I can’t imagine a public organization busier

29:02 than the Florida Department of Health.

29:05 Every single time we called, which was a lot

29:07 and continues to be a lot,

29:10 they found a way to continue to support us.

29:12 And that generosity is so appreciated

29:18 as we tackle these challenging issues.

29:21 And then of course, from an educational perspective,

29:23 the US Department of Ed and the Florida Department of Ed,

29:27 and of course, because of the dynamic nature of this crisis,

29:31 their guidelines change.

29:33 And do we get frustrated by that?

29:35 Well, yeah.

29:37 However, of course it should change.

29:40 None of us should be in a position where we think

29:43 that the decisions we make today and right now

29:46 are gonna withstand the dynamic nature of this crisis,

29:49 the needs of our families and our communities,

29:52 and what is the right decision at the right time.

29:54 So flexibility is key.

29:56 And so we might grit our teeth a little

29:57 at another daily update, but at the same time,

30:00 we are so thankful that the state,

30:03 that the federal government, that our local officials

30:07 have the courage to change their minds,

30:08 have the courage to say, okay,

30:10 we thought this was a good idea yesterday,

30:12 not so much today.

30:13 And we think that’s important to this process.

30:16 So a little frustrating, sure, essential, absolutely.

30:19 And of course, OSHA, we rely on OSHA guidelines

30:23 to keep our employees safe as they are managing activities

30:28 that could be potentially hazardous.

30:31 Dr. Mullins mentioned briefly our community feedback.

30:36 I’ve spoken about our grounding

30:37 in our organizational objectives and goals.

30:40 I’ve spoken to the robust research

30:43 and information presented to the community,

30:46 but our community feedback has been

30:48 the cornerstone of our work.

30:52 When I say thousands of thousands

30:55 upon thousands of feedback, I’m not exaggerating,

30:58 I have to give a quick pause and credit to Kathy Whittle,

31:00 my administrative assistant, who personally correlated,

31:04 managed, read, organized everyone

31:06 so then I could read them all

31:08 and so that we could take that feedback in.

31:10 I wanna talk about our parents and our legal guardians

31:14 and the feedback that they provided.

31:16 It was genuine, it was passionate,

31:19 it was representative of their hopes and dreams

31:22 for their children and their fears for their children.

31:25 It represented the entire range of emotions

31:29 that everybody is feeling in this climate right now,

31:32 and we were so thankful for it.

31:35 For every one or two that we read

31:37 that felt passionately in one direction,

31:39 there was equal that felt passionately

31:42 in the other direction.

31:43 And having that information is really powerful,

31:46 and we really honor that.

31:48 And Ms. Belford made reference to the fact that,

31:51 boy, we’re not gonna agree on a lot.

31:54 It’s impossible to, because this crisis is so personal,

31:58 and we have personal beliefs,

32:00 we have personal interpretations of things,

32:03 and that’s okay.

32:04 And when it comes to one’s children’s,

32:06 the rules in the book go out the door.

32:08 All logic goes out the door when it’s your baby.

32:10 And so we allow for that, we honor that.

32:13 And so I ask for all of our community members,

32:17 for our board members, everybody in our organization,

32:21 to not be frustrated by the discord,

32:23 to not be frustrated by the differences,

32:27 but to really respect and honor that

32:29 because that’s a robust society.

32:33 And so did it cause us challenges

32:37 in trying to find the right answer?

32:38 Of course it did.

32:40 But we landed on the fact that the feedback was valuable,

32:44 and we tried to put together some options

32:47 that would meet the best needs of our communities.

32:50 Are they perfect options?

32:51 Of course not.

32:53 We don’t have unlimited resources,

32:54 we don’t have unlimited personnel,

32:56 we don’t have unlimited buses, buildings, things like that.

33:00 But we think we found something for everyone.

33:04 And I’m just thankful for that feedback.

33:07 They were long, they were passionate.

33:09 Sometimes they were brief and they were curt,

33:11 sometimes they were kind, sometimes not so much.

33:13 But that’s okay.

33:15 Everybody’s allowed to have those feelings.

33:17 Our teachers and staff,

33:19 boy, we got a tremendous amount of feedback from them

33:22 through various means.

33:23 Many of our teachers and staff took the opportunity

33:26 of using our generic portal,

33:27 and we were able to pull those out

33:30 and realize their feelings and passions.

33:32 And of course, through school advisory council,

33:35 several of our schools,

33:36 when they reported their participation

33:38 in school advisory council,

33:39 they had upwards of 50, 60, 70 teachers

33:42 participate in school advisory council.

33:45 I’m gonna encourage them to keep participating in it

33:47 as the years go on.

33:50 But we got a lot of great ideas from there.

33:53 And of course we have a wonderful partnership

33:55 with our union leaders.

33:57 I can speak for me, Jane and Chris.

34:00 We did not hesitate to pick up the phone and call them.

34:03 They absolutely didn’t hesitate

34:04 to pick up the phone and call us.

34:06 And we love that.

34:06 We wanna know the pulse.

34:07 We wanna know what concerns are weighing on people’s heads

34:10 and which concerns we can help mitigate.

34:13 And our community leaders,

34:15 this was a big surprise for me.

34:17 And I shouldn’t be surprised ‘cause of how far it is,

34:19 but I was surprised at how many representatives

34:23 who did not have children in the system,

34:25 who were not teachers in our school community,

34:27 who were not students themselves,

34:29 took the time to give us great feedback.

34:31 We got feedback from numerous physicians in our county

34:35 and different perspectives,

34:38 even within the medical community.

34:40 And seeing that was important.

34:42 Seeing that this doctor provided this feedback,

34:45 this doctor provided different feedback

34:48 was important to see as well

34:50 and to get the different perspectives of their profession.

34:52 We got a lot of professional feedback.

34:55 We got some great feedback from our partners

34:57 at Patrick Air Force Base.

34:59 In fact, the feedback’s anonymous,

35:03 but they attached their entire reopening plan,

35:07 which was fantastic information for us.

35:10 Our philanthropy groups.

35:12 There was a great insertion at about like 9,000 and something

35:17 from E-Angels, which is one of our great partners,

35:20 that said, “We’re just here to help, tell us what you need.”

35:23 I partnered them with CoCo High and Palm Bay High

35:26 to support their graduation efforts,

35:28 and it was simply because they took the time

35:30 to give us community feedback.

35:33 And so that was really wonderful.

35:36 And finally, our students.

35:37 We had a lot of student feedback, a lot of student comments.

35:41 We especially cherish those.

35:42 I love students that advocate for themselves.

35:44 I love students that are willing to take part

35:46 in the democratic process, provide feedback, engage,

35:50 and that was invaluable.

35:52 There are lots of elements in this plan

35:56 solely based on that feedback.

35:59 There was kernels and snippets that, you know,

36:01 you read 1,000 that sound about the same,

36:04 and then suddenly you’re like,

36:05 “Ah, we didn’t think of that.”

36:07 So I’m incredibly appreciative of all that feedback.

36:10 And even for those that think their feedback

36:13 wasn’t necessarily considered, it was.

36:16 And we took those little things.

36:17 Sometimes it was one little last line

36:19 while a community member was commenting

36:22 that made its way into the plan.

36:24 And so I know that was a long explanation.

36:26 I just thought it was really important

36:29 for everybody to know that none of that time was wasted,

36:32 and we could not have landed on a lot of decision points

36:36 without all of that.

36:38 Finally, I’d like to, not finally, hardly finally,

36:43 Max, I’d like you to take to see the opening guidelines

36:47 that we landed on.

36:48 We had multiple drafts of our own perspectives.

36:51 We potentially hijacked language from multiple other plans.

36:58 We looked at all kinds of different language

37:00 on what are the things that are gonna drive our decisions.

37:03 And the American Academy of Pediatrics

37:05 provided some language that we just couldn’t help

37:09 but use in full and, of course, cite appropriately.

37:12 And you’ll see some of the language

37:14 from the American Academy of Pediatrics

37:16 throughout the plan.

37:18 And whenever we did that, we quoted in full.

37:23 We didn’t think it was appropriate for us

37:24 to interpret somebody else’s language and recommendations.

37:28 We felt it was important that our plan

37:30 had that language in full.

37:33 So I’m just, I’ll pause for a moment

37:34 and highlight a couple of things.

37:36 Of course, flexibility is gonna be key.

37:39 We’re all gonna be tired of that word.

37:40 We’re gonna ban it next year with t-shirts with lines

37:42 through it, but for right now,

37:45 we’re still wearing the flexibility t-shirts

37:47 and continue to live in that framework.

37:51 Obviously, developmental appropriateness

37:53 is very important to us.

37:55 Many of the things that amplify safety

38:00 and health considerations are in direct contrast

38:04 to what we know children need to depend on

38:07 for developmental appropriateness.

38:10 So we’re gonna have to really think through

38:12 some strategies to attack that affective domain

38:17 and their social-emotional considerations

38:19 just for their natural development.

38:21 You know, when we think about the power of play

38:24 in our youngest children’s and tactile experiences

38:28 and the limitations on tactile experiences

38:30 in this current environment, we have to be creative.

38:32 And I believe in the skillset of our teachers

38:35 and their knowledge of developmental milestones.

38:39 And of course, all of the diverse needs

38:42 of our communities and their situation.

38:45 And so those were the guidelines that kind of,

38:47 we tucked away in the back of our head

38:48 when we were at an impasse.

38:50 We went back and looked at ‘em.

38:51 We looked at our guidelines.

38:53 We looked at our equity framework.

38:55 We looked at our goals and objectives

38:57 and everything we said we believe in

38:59 and was this decision consistent with that?

39:05 In the following page, you’ll see the summary statement

39:09 by the American Academy of Pediatrics

39:11 on their belief in schools.

39:13 Again, these statements are taken in full as direct quotes.

39:18 But we thought it was really important

39:19 to share their perspectives on the power

39:21 of the educational experience for the child.

39:31 I’m gonna take a break with the mic

39:33 and turn it over to Chris Moore,

39:36 who’s gonna take you through while we were planning,

39:40 while we were researching,

39:41 while we were considering every bit of data,

39:44 we couldn’t wait to act.

39:46 We had to simultaneously take some important steps.

39:50 And so, Ms. Moore?

39:52 - Yeah, before I jump in,

39:54 do we take a pause for some questions?

39:56 - Oh, sorry.

39:57 - Is there anything that is building out there?

39:59 - Yeah, thank you. - I apologize.

40:00 - Thank you, no problem.

40:02 Ms. McDougald, did you have any questions,

40:05 comments, concerns for the first section?

40:08 - Not at the first section, no.

40:09 - Okay, very good.

40:10 Mr. Stetson? - Later on, yeah.

40:12 - Yeah, due to the, I had one question

40:14 and I just had one request due to the fact

40:17 that I think this is gonna take longer than two hours,

40:20 was making sure that all our other board members are okay

40:22 with just extending it until it’s finished.

40:24 Are we good with that?

40:26 Okay, good, Dr. Mullins?

40:28 And just the one question I have in the beginning

40:30 is not towards this, but I was wondering

40:33 if there was a way that I could get the percentage

40:36 of free and reduced lunch students

40:40 who signed on with their computers during the COVID piece

40:43 from March till the end of school, that’s all.

40:46 Those attendance rates, stuff like that.

40:47 And that can come in an email later,

40:49 I don’t need that today.

40:50 - Absolutely, that’s data we can provide

40:52 and follow up with, no problem.

40:54 - Thank you.

40:55 - Any other board members have questions or comments

40:57 for the first section?

41:00 - I have just one kind of keeping in line

41:04 with Dr. Sullivan, your focus on,

41:06 I think the important message

41:08 that our priorities have not changed,

41:11 that we just have had to maybe adjust the way

41:14 that we approach those priorities in some ways.

41:16 But I just wanna point out,

41:18 along with all of our wonderful community partners,

41:20 we have been very focused on safety

41:22 and provide public schools for some time.

41:24 And I know there’ve been a lot of concerns

41:26 with some of the recommendations

41:27 about how we maintain our commitment

41:29 to the Marjory Stoneman Douglas safety elements,

41:33 even though we may be looking at safety

41:35 slightly differently right now.

41:37 But we are blessed that Lieutenant Brian Neal

41:40 has also been on the task force

41:42 to ensure that we have that lens of safety

41:46 from that perspective as well.

41:47 And so Lieutenant, I know we appreciate your contribution

41:50 and making sure that you guys have your eyes

41:52 on all of the changes that we’re making

41:54 as well as we move forward.

41:56 All right, Ms. Moore.

41:57 - Hey, good morning, everyone.

42:00 So as Stephanie said,

42:02 we’ve been through some rapid shifts.

42:04 We had to scale up a whole different way

42:07 of educating kids basically in a week.

42:10 And as we took this project on

42:13 and started pulling the research on,

42:15 and now what comes next,

42:18 it became really evident to us really quickly

42:20 that we couldn’t wait to start

42:25 implementing some of the things

42:26 that we were reading in the research.

42:28 And Jane and Stephanie worked with their principals.

42:30 Every time we came up with a question like,

42:33 well, what do clinics look like in schools?

42:37 They started a Google Doc,

42:38 sent it out to their schools and said,

42:40 principals, we need to know right now,

42:42 what do your clinics look like?

42:44 And the principals were responsive on a dime.

42:46 And so as we go through this,

42:48 know that it was all of this rolled out

42:52 as research rolled out and as we worked with the schools.

42:54 And so this is all prior to us even going operational,

42:59 going to the opening.

43:01 So under the operational heading,

43:03 as we looked at the research

43:04 and we looked at ways to maximize space

43:08 and mitigate contact,

43:10 we knew immediately our classroom situations

43:12 needed to change.

43:14 We asked all schools to start getting rid

43:16 of anything extra in their classrooms.

43:18 You know, all of us have bits and pieces

43:21 that we brought in to make our rooms homey,

43:24 but the fact of the matter is,

43:26 we need to spread the desks out as far

43:27 and as wide as we possibly can.

43:29 And so that was all taken out of the rooms

43:33 in cooperation with the teachers.

43:37 We knew that because this is an airborne illness

43:40 and it spreads through droplets,

43:41 that although we know educationally,

43:44 it’s better for students to be collaborative,

43:46 it’s better for them to work in groups.

43:49 It is safer now for them to all be facing in one direction.

43:53 And so we asked for all of the tables

43:55 to be seated in that way.

43:56 We asked schools to start looking at their plan

43:59 for traffic patterns.

44:00 The footprint of our schools are so different

44:03 that if all of them were built the same way,

44:06 we could have very easily from up here said,

44:08 and this is the way it shall run.

44:10 But that’s not the case.

44:13 Some schools have very tight corridors.

44:15 Some schools have very few corridors.

44:18 So we asked them to all start working on their plan

44:21 of what their traffic pattern is gonna be,

44:24 what their entrance and exit plan is going to be,

44:28 and so to mitigate contacts.

44:34 One of the questions we quickly asked was,

44:37 what does your front office look like?

44:38 What kind of barriers do you need?

44:40 And from that point on, we realized all of the other areas

44:45 in which a barrier, a plexiglass barrier,

44:48 might need to be needed.

44:50 What you’re gonna see, and that’s a great example,

44:52 is a little asterisk at the end of that.

44:54 Whenever we realized that something was going to need

44:58 COVID CARES Act funds, we’ve shown that with an asterisk,

45:04 that that has been funded through the CARES Act.

45:07 We may have missed some, I’ll be honest.

45:09 As we go through it, we look and we go,

45:10 oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was funded by the CARES Act.

45:12 So if I see any of those,

45:14 or if you guys see any of those, step up.

45:16 One of the things that helped us tremendously

45:19 is as part of our budgeting efforts,

45:21 we were pulling anything back that we possibly could,

45:27 that we recouped due to not being in school

45:32 before we knew what the CARES Act funding was gonna be.

45:35 And we were fortunate enough

45:36 that we were able to set that money aside

45:38 to start purchasing some of those things.

45:40 So our procurement department has been amazing.

45:47 They have, Johnny on the Spot ordered thousands

45:51 and thousands of supplies for us,

45:54 gallons of hand sanitizer and plexiglass

45:57 and face masks and face shields.

45:59 And it was only because we had already started that work

46:03 to call aside some money that we were able

46:05 to put that order in while we waited

46:08 for the CARES Act funding to come in.

46:10 So you’ll see that denoted by that asterisk

46:12 in all those areas.

46:14 We asked schools to look at any area in which

46:17 students congregated.

46:19 We asked them to look at their schedules

46:21 that provided time for them to congregate

46:24 and ask them to mitigate or limit those things.

46:30 You know, as things, I’ll tell you two days ago,

46:33 somebody said, “What about water fountains?”

46:37 So that’s kind of how we have operated

46:41 because as we get into the weeds,

46:43 more things that are of equal importance

46:45 to everything else come up.

46:48 And so as you can see, we’re gonna limit

46:50 water fountain use to just refilling bottles.

46:55 God love ‘em, I don’t think they were really meant

46:58 to be used in a sanitary and clean way.

47:01 So we’re gonna have signage up to limit that.

47:05 Again, I said PPE and hand sanitizer cleaning products.

47:08 We have ordered and they have, some of them have come in.

47:13 We are waiting for others to come in.

47:16 But procurement, Christie Rodriguez and her team

47:18 have done a tremendous job.

47:21 And we have started the work with bus drivers,

47:24 our cleaning staff, our cafeteria staff

47:26 on what the cleaning procedures are and protocols will be.

47:33 Continuing with operational, I wish I could speak

47:36 intelligently about HVAC, but I won’t.

47:39 I will tell you that Suhan can and she has

47:42 and we thank her for it.

47:46 Dr. Miller has been working tirelessly.

47:50 As some of you guys know, our bus runs on our best day.

47:55 We had subs on our buses, sub drivers on our buses,

47:58 three to a seat.

47:59 We said to him, we can’t have that.

48:04 So we have asked them to design routes

48:06 with only two to a seat and added

48:08 additional safety measures in there.

48:12 We have looked at everything, all of our policies

48:15 and procedures as it relates to mitigating student contact.

48:19 If you’re sick, stay home.

48:22 Visitors, thank you, we appreciate your being there.

48:26 But anytime we could tell somebody that we do not want

48:29 an additional contact in our schools,

48:32 we have taken the opportunity to do so.

48:38 That fourth bullet down, adjusting clinic space.

48:42 I will tell you, we knew very early on

48:45 that our clinic was going to be essential

48:48 to the functioning and the well-being of our schools.

48:51 When Stephanie mentioned the time,

48:55 I will tell you, just as praise

49:00 to our local health department,

49:02 I talk to Patty probably no less

49:05 than three to five times a day.

49:07 She helps me problem solve through all the issues.

49:10 If she is not there, I can go to somebody else.

49:13 I have a backup to the backup to the backup.

49:17 And yesterday when I was asked,

49:20 “Hey, do you think a Department of Health member

49:22 “could be here in case there are questions?”

49:25 In the afternoon, Patty said,

49:28 “Yeah, I’ll absolutely be there.”

49:30 And I can assure you all, it wasn’t because

49:31 Patty had five or six hours free today.

49:34 So to talk to the community about the partnership

49:37 that the school system has with the Department of Health,

49:40 I think that’s just exemplified in the fact

49:42 that Patty is here today.

49:45 So we took a look at our clinics and said,

49:47 “How do our clinics have to function?”

49:49 And I know Patty and her health department

49:51 have been working with the school nurses

49:53 on what that’s gonna look like,

49:54 but our principals had to look at what space they had.

49:58 If we have a student that we believe

50:00 may have an infectious illness,

50:02 we can’t have him sitting in the clinic

50:04 or her in the clinic as other students come in

50:07 to pick up their medication for the day.

50:10 So we took a look at all of that.

50:14 We are working on developing videos

50:18 to help teach our kids appropriate hand washing,

50:23 when and how to wear face masks,

50:28 how to avoid and mitigate coming into contact

50:32 with one another, why we use hand sanitizer,

50:36 how to minimize the likelihood of infection

50:40 getting on and off buses and into classroom spaces.

50:44 So we’re working on all of those things

50:46 as well as companion training for our teachers.

50:50 And we’re trying to make sure

50:51 it’s developmentally appropriate.

50:53 So our students who have intellectual disabilities

50:57 understand why we’re not hugging each other.

50:59 Our five-year-olds understand

51:01 why we’re not hugging each other.

51:06 Total 180 from the relationship building

51:13 that our kids might be used to.

51:18 So we’re gonna do some direct instruction on that.

51:20 We’re doing some training videos as it relates to that.

51:26 The last two bullets I think are really important

51:28 and that is the continued work and discussion

51:31 around when we are going to exclude students and employees

51:36 from the work site, when we are going to close classrooms

51:40 and schools and how we are going to handle active cases,

51:43 presumptive cases and contacts to cases.

51:46 That has been ongoing.

51:49 We call the Department of Health on every,

51:52 in fact, I call the Department of Health and I say,

51:55 I know the answer, I talked to you about this an hour ago,

51:57 but because it’s a different school, I’m calling you again

52:00 because I just don’t wanna take the chance

52:03 that I am not relating the exact appropriate information

52:06 to our schools.

52:08 And then the other part of it is that just yesterday,

52:10 just yesterday at around three o’clock,

52:14 we got new guidance from, was it the CDC

52:16 or the Department of Health?

52:17 The CDC, the CDC about cases and contact to cases

52:23 and bringing people, excluding people from areas

52:26 and bringing them back.

52:27 So I don’t ever wanna take the chance

52:29 that something has come to the Department of Health

52:31 that hasn’t made its way to the school board yet.

52:33 So we stay in constant communication

52:35 and we’ll continue to do so.

52:37 Yeah.

52:38 - I relate to what you have to mean to me.

52:40 What we’re going to do is I talk personally.

52:43 - Oh, thank you.

52:45 So,

52:49 I’m tired.

52:50 (laughing)

52:53 I will tell you that when we talk about people standing up

53:00 a whole system of retraining, how we do education,

53:05 and then you stand it up again.

53:08 There are people doing two and three jobs.

53:13 One of the things that I know can’t continue

53:16 as we go into school is for my office

53:22 to be the central line of communication on all cases,

53:26 presumptive cases and contact cases.

53:30 And so after many people said to me,

53:34 “Chris, you can’t keep doing this.”

53:36 It finally dawned on me, I can’t keep doing this.

53:40 And so it was Dr. Sullivan’s idea because she’s a genius

53:44 that we write into the CARES Act a liaison

53:48 to work in our building that is a member

53:52 of the Department of Health.

53:53 And so I called up Patty and I said,

53:55 “Patty, if we do this, can it be done?”

53:59 And she said, “Not only can we do this, Chris,

54:01 “but we were thinking the same thing.”

54:04 So we are working to get a Department of Health nurse,

54:08 she’ll be sitting, or two, she or they, he,

54:12 he or she or they, will be sitting right outside my office

54:16 and will be the first stop of information

54:20 for our principals and will sit on our response team

54:25 as we have to make decisions about excluding kids,

54:28 closing classes, and closing schools.

54:31 So that is going to be a tremendous support

54:34 for the district.

54:37 In addition to the creation of that position,

54:42 which will be paid out of CARES Act

54:43 and connected to our current Department of Health contract,

54:49 we stood up two different teams.

54:51 One is a response team.

54:52 I alluded to it just a second ago.

54:54 I’ll talk more about it later.

54:56 It hasn’t come together yet.

55:00 Our first meeting is next week,

55:02 and that’s a response team that will look at each case

55:06 in terms of when schools will close

55:08 or when students are gonna be excluded in large numbers

55:13 so that it’s not just one person looking at all the data

55:15 but a team, and it’ll be a rapid response team.

55:19 The other team that has been stood up

55:22 and they have actually already been implemented

55:24 is the custodial strike team.

55:27 They are still waiting to hire five custodians,

55:30 but the team is led by Jim Powers and Pete Conica,

55:34 and they have already been implemented,

55:37 been used out at our schools as cases come up.

55:41 They rapidly respond to the head custodian

55:44 and provide support in isolating areas for 24 to 48 hours

55:49 and cleaning them in the manner that is in line

55:54 with the current protocols.

55:57 Is anything on there?

55:59 We’re good?

56:00 All right.

56:01 So again, this is all prior to opening.

56:06 We were looking, we took a look at the early warning system.

56:08 We took a look at the data that was available at the time

56:12 to bring some students in for summer instruction.

56:16 It was both virtual and in-person,

56:19 and I know that Jane could probably speak more about that

56:22 if you guys had any questions,

56:23 ‘cause a lot of it was elementary,

56:24 some of it was student with disabilities,

56:26 and I can speak to that if you’re interested in that.

56:30 The Department of Health has been working all summer long.

56:33 They have pulled all of our documentation

56:36 of medically fragile students.

56:38 They have been creating health plans

56:40 to mitigate as much as we can the likelihood of infection.

56:47 We are now treating those new health plans

56:50 like we do a 504 plan.

56:52 Every teacher has to read them, sign off on them.

56:56 They’ll be meeting with, as a team,

56:58 to discuss what needs to happen

57:01 for those medical health plans to be implemented

57:04 for our medically fragile students.

57:08 We’re also assessing our students with IEPs,

57:11 their progress toward their goals.

57:14 If there is regression there,

57:17 we have written into the CARES Act a ESY,

57:22 and typically you hear of ESY, extended school year,

57:24 as it refers to summer school.

57:28 Actually, ESY can happen before school,

57:30 after school, weekends, and summer school.

57:33 So we’re ready to stand up an ESY plan

57:36 based on students’ progress toward their IEP goals.

57:40 That is different than compensatory time.

57:43 Compensatory time applies

57:45 if a student was not offered services.

57:48 So you may hear them used interchangeably, and they’re not.

57:52 So if you have any questions about that,

57:54 please stop me when we get to the end,

57:56 and I’ll be happy to answer them.

57:58 Russ and his team have been looking

58:00 at assessing tech needs and gaps in schools,

58:03 both hardware and software.

58:05 I’ll tell you, in terms of the team,

58:08 that’s always one of our biggest concerns,

58:11 is if we have to shut a building down

58:14 for three days or two weeks or three months,

58:17 are we gonna be able to provide equitable supports

58:19 for all students, especially when

58:22 it is technologically heavy?

58:24 So he has been working on assessing that with the schools.

58:29 Our teams, both Russ’s team and our leading

58:31 and learning teams have been working

58:32 on creating professional development

58:34 to support that blended learning experience.

58:37 You know, we threw a lot at our schools,

58:39 and although a lot of our digital tools

58:41 have been available a really long time,

58:42 teachers teach, they like to teach.

58:45 And so a lot of them don’t access those digital tools

58:49 because they were uncomfortable and unfamiliar with them.

58:52 When we went remote, they had to learn real quick.

58:55 And so there’s a lot of experimenting going on,

58:59 there was a lot of, you know, is teams better,

59:01 is SCAT better, what’s better, how are we gonna do this?

59:04 So I know that Russ’s team led by Don Bronstein,

59:10 sorry, sorry, Don, by Don Bronstein,

59:12 had been working on training on all of the tech supports

59:17 as well as the platforms that were ready to roll out.

59:22 And finally, our students in transition,

59:26 we have been supporting them all summer long.

59:30 Our transportation department had drivers who provided,

59:37 drove meals out to different areas of the county,

59:40 supplies, social work support, provision.

59:45 I can’t even tell you the efforts that went into

59:49 trying to meet the needs of our students in transition.

59:52 So my resource teacher for that area

59:56 became a bit of a router,

59:58 she became a bit of a everything,

1:00:00 but she continues to work

1:00:01 with the Brevard County Homeless Coalition

1:00:04 and will continue to do so as we go through this year.

1:00:10 We also took a review of our social emotional curriculum.

1:00:12 I alluded to this at our meeting last week,

1:00:16 we have developed a plan to best support our students

1:00:19 or at least to hopefully support our students

1:00:21 as they come in, just based off of the challenges

1:00:25 that were exacerbated by them being out for three months

1:00:27 and now coming back in this really uncertain time.

1:00:30 We created, as I told you last week,

1:00:32 the trauma-informed compassion fatigue.

1:00:37 I was on the phone with somebody crying today,

1:00:40 and it’s not somebody who cries,

1:00:45 but it is really hard.

1:00:46 It is really hard as we deal with

1:00:49 how are we protecting our families,

1:00:51 how are we protecting our staffs,

1:00:52 how are we protecting kids,

1:00:55 and never more so than now.

1:00:57 And so as we talk more about compassion fatigue,

1:01:00 we hope to layer in more there.

1:01:06 We have looked at the scheduling process.

1:01:10 That is used, that allows technology

1:01:12 to be used from day one.

1:01:14 And by that, I don’t mean our scheduler.

1:01:16 I mean we wanna make sure our teachers

1:01:19 are using tech day one,

1:01:22 because we don’t want to worry about the integration of that

1:01:25 to start when kids have to leave.

1:01:28 And when we close the school,

1:01:30 we wanna make sure it’s integrated

1:01:31 and they’re used to using it every single day.

1:01:35 We already did some small group assessments this summer

1:01:38 in ACT and EOC,

1:01:41 and we really looked at identifying ways

1:01:43 to accelerate students.

1:01:46 Our whole goal is to try to mitigate contacts,

1:01:49 as we told you from the beginning.

1:01:51 So there are gonna be some students

1:01:52 that may be able to graduate in December.

1:01:55 We wanna afford them that opportunity.

1:01:57 And again, just mitigate the number of kids

1:02:00 that we have coming in and onto campus.

1:02:03 That doesn’t mean they have to,

1:02:05 it just means that they can

1:02:07 and we can afford them that opportunity.

1:02:14 Are we breaking for questions now?

1:02:16 Okay, so I wanna be just quiet

1:02:17 and give you a chance to read some of that,

1:02:19 because I went through it fairly rapidly

1:02:20 and then ask any questions that you might have.

1:02:25 - Ms. Dustovich.

1:02:26 - I have a couple questions, Ms. Moore.

1:02:28 Thank you so much for all of your work on this.

1:02:31 And Patty, did I get that name right?

1:02:34 Thank you so much for the partnership

1:02:36 with the Department of Health.

1:02:37 I think it’s essential at this time.

1:02:39 I’m curious about the nurse.

1:02:41 Is she, or he, will the nurse be an RN

1:02:45 or what’s the qualifications of the nurse

1:02:47 that will be here if we’ve identified that?

1:02:50 And is it a contract and what’s the contract length for?

1:02:54 And you said the CARES Act will cover,

1:02:56 is it covering the entire cost

1:02:58 or will we have to pick something up ultimately in the end?

1:03:01 - I’ll start with the last question first.

1:03:03 Yes, it is covering the entire cost.

1:03:06 We didn’t put a timeline on that contract right now.

1:03:08 Our DOH partnership is three years.

1:03:11 When we no longer need a CARES Act liaison,

1:03:14 we will no longer have a CARES Act liaison.

1:03:16 So for my purposes, we’re gonna keep that position in

1:03:21 as long as we are handling COVID cases in our schools,

1:03:25 cases, presumptive cases, or contacts to cases.

1:03:29 In terms of the qualifications, that I’ll have to ask Patty.

1:03:36 (audience member speaks off mic)

1:03:54 - Okay. - Can we get Patty

1:03:55 a microphone ‘cause the–

1:03:57 - Yeah, I was just gonna repeat what she said

1:03:59 for those that didn’t.

1:04:00 She responded that the position will be a registered nurse

1:04:03 with a background in epidemiology.

1:04:06 - Epidemiology. - Epidemiology.

1:04:08 - I’ve gotten really good at that word, epidemiology.

1:04:10 - You would think right now

1:04:11 that I’d be really good at that word too.

1:04:13 - Thank you, Mr. Cheatham. - I’d add to the CARES Act

1:04:15 questions, we wrote it in for two years.

1:04:19 The CARES Act allows for funding for this next school year,

1:04:24 the following year, and then it closed out

1:04:26 in the fall of the subsequent year,

1:04:28 fall of September of 2022.

1:04:33 - Okay, thank you, Dr. Sullivan.

1:04:35 And then my next question is about the GEAR program,

1:04:38 which I think started yesterday.

1:04:41 I think it might be for you, Ms. Moore.

1:04:42 I’m just curious, we’ve had two days of students so far.

1:04:46 Have we had any, you said the concerns are coming to you

1:04:50 if there’s a student with symptoms

1:04:52 or something of that nature.

1:04:53 In the first two days, are we good to go?

1:04:57 Or you’ve gotten 28 million calls already

1:04:59 that kids are sneezing and coughing.

1:05:01 What’s our status there?

1:05:03 - So we started return to activity before we started GEAR.

1:05:12 We have had cases and we have had presumptive cases

1:05:16 and we have had contacted cases.

1:05:19 And we have handled all of them in collaboration

1:05:21 and cooperation with the Department of Health.

1:05:25 With our start with GEAR, we have not had a case

1:05:34 we have not had a presumptive case

1:05:37 and we have not had a contact to a case

1:05:40 as of nine o’clock this morning.

1:05:48 - Thank you. - You’re welcome.

1:05:52 (indistinct)

1:05:56 - I can’t see you. - Yeah, okay.

1:05:58 Ms. Deskovitch, I do wanna add one thing.

1:06:02 It makes me very uncomfortable to speak in a public forum

1:06:06 on our employees, our students and or their family’s health.

1:06:10 So I want to make sure that as we ask questions,

1:06:15 and you hear me hesitating, I’m being very clear

1:06:19 that that is not what I’m doing.

1:06:21 And I will not do that.

1:06:24 That is a violation of their HIPAA.

1:06:26 It could be a violation of their FERPA.

1:06:29 And so I will answer really general questions

1:06:32 in a public forum.

1:06:33 And I will answer as specifically as I can if you call me.

1:06:37 And if I have information that I’m allowed to share.

1:06:40 - Thank you, ma’am.

1:06:44 - All right, so just like everybody,

1:06:47 I don’t wanna start asking questions

1:06:49 without taking the time to thank all of you

1:06:50 and the ones who aren’t here for the time

1:06:52 that you’ve put together.

1:06:53 And I just have to say, as I’m listening

1:06:56 to some of these things, and you talk about,

1:06:58 I’ve never already had these three words written down

1:07:03 before you talked about hugs.

1:07:04 But I just, you know, part of this process

1:07:08 is I wrote down grieve the loss,

1:07:11 because I think we have to grieve the loss.

1:07:13 We’re gonna talk about some things later

1:07:14 as I’ve skimmed through the things of changes

1:07:16 that really, they’re gonna be losses.

1:07:22 I mean, we’re grieving the loss of people

1:07:23 in our community and our nation.

1:07:25 But we’re also, for our students, grieving the loss

1:07:28 of some really good things that we’re gonna be missing.

1:07:32 And it kills me to say we’re grieving the loss

1:07:34 of kindergartens wrapping their arms around your legs.

1:07:37 And there’s kindergartener teachers right now

1:07:38 who are probably crying, I’m about to cry.

1:07:41 But I just thank you for taking the time

1:07:44 to acknowledge that this is gonna be a loss,

1:07:46 and hopefully not for very long.

1:07:50 Now back to specifics.

1:07:52 Because I’ve had people from the community

1:07:54 ask some specifics about certain things.

1:07:56 And Ms. Han, if you wouldn’t mind,

1:07:59 when she talked about the HVAC filters,

1:08:02 are these, like, are we getting new kinds of filters,

1:08:05 or doing things differently,

1:08:06 or are we just gonna change them more frequently?

1:08:08 How is, what is that detail?

1:08:11 - Several air conditioning systems,

1:08:12 they have specific filters that go in those systems.

1:08:15 And we looked at, for example, more robust filters,

1:08:19 but they don’t actually fit.

1:08:21 So we have to use the filters

1:08:22 that are assigned to those systems.

1:08:24 So we ordered something along the line of 13,000 filters.

1:08:30 And as a given, we’re deploying them in schools.

1:08:33 - Okay, and those are new?

1:08:35 - These are new filters.

1:08:35 - Okay, great.

1:08:37 And then, I know we’re gonna get

1:08:39 to transportation later, right?

1:08:41 - Yes, ma’am.

1:08:42 - Okay, so I’m not, I know that some of these

1:08:44 were just broad topics,

1:08:45 and we’re gonna get to specific details later.

1:08:51 I think that was it, ‘cause you either answered

1:08:52 all of my questions or we’re coming to ‘em later.

1:08:54 So I’m good, Mrs. Alford.

1:08:56 - Thank you, Ms. Campbell.

1:08:58 Mr. Susan, did you have, Ms. McDougall,

1:09:00 did you have questions you’d like to ask?

1:09:02 - I do, I do.

1:09:05 And maybe this will come down later,

1:09:07 or maybe I’m asking specific questions.

1:09:09 But first, thank you very much

1:09:11 for all the work that everybody’s put in.

1:09:13 I know this has been, in many ways,

1:09:16 a labor of love and concern, and I appreciate that.

1:09:19 But I have also, as Ms. Campbell alluded to,

1:09:23 that many people have reached out to us.

1:09:27 There’s so much that we don’t know yet.

1:09:29 So how will, you know, when you have computer labs,

1:09:33 are we still gonna have computer labs?

1:09:34 Do we clean the computers after everybody goes?

1:09:38 Are we sharing art supplies?

1:09:40 Are we, what happens with PE?

1:09:42 I mean, there’s a lot of things

1:09:43 that I’m getting questions about

1:09:45 that I don’t know if we can answer yet,

1:09:47 but I know we need to be thinking about this.

1:09:49 And more importantly, on page 11 and 12,

1:09:55 and a lot of the great operational things

1:09:58 you have in place, but how do we know

1:09:59 that they’re gonna be done with fidelity?

1:10:01 How do we know that it’s really gonna happen?

1:10:05 And I’m not saying, I’m not pointing fingers to anybody,

1:10:08 but we’re a big organization, and we’re all very busy.

1:10:14 So how do we make sure this really happens with fidelity?

1:10:18 So those are some of my concerns at this point.

1:10:24 - Mrs. McDougall, I’m gonna take the mic first,

1:10:27 because several of those programs you mentioned

1:10:28 operate out of secondary leading and learning,

1:10:30 even in the elementary art and music programs.

1:10:34 In the presentation, you will see some explicit guidance

1:10:38 in some really narrow areas,

1:10:41 and you will see the absence of explicit guidance,

1:10:43 because our teachers will be working together

1:10:45 on some protocols with their principals

1:10:47 and with resource teachers and content specialists.

1:10:51 Our resource teachers and content specialists

1:10:54 have been working all summer through the guidelines

1:10:58 of their national organizations.

1:11:00 And so, for example, Ms. Cindy Johnson sends me

1:11:04 with great regularity.

1:11:06 The national organization just recommended this,

1:11:08 just recommended that, and so some of those things

1:11:11 that are global are in this plan.

1:11:13 Some of those things that are more narrow

1:11:15 will be fleshed out in additional information

1:11:19 to this grant plan.

1:11:21 For example, music is a good example.

1:11:23 Ms. Johnson is working through the national recommendations,

1:11:27 has a team of band instructors that she’s working with.

1:11:32 They’re creating a video and creating some guidelines.

1:11:36 You mentioned computers, the same thing.

1:11:38 Those things are being looked at

1:11:39 by our Career and Tech Ed program

1:11:40 in collaboration with our educational technology.

1:11:44 So, yes, there will be an expectation

1:11:47 that any shared materials are cleaned

1:11:50 before they are shared.

1:11:52 What we can’t put in a plan that wouldn’t be 1,000 pages

1:11:57 is how each item will be cleaned prior to it is shared.

1:12:01 So we’ve also asked schools,

1:12:02 when you get to one of the second last pages,

1:12:06 talks about principal guidelines,

1:12:08 we have some clear expectations

1:12:10 on where we expect schools to work those things out

1:12:14 in terms of whether it is a custodial team,

1:12:17 whether it is a teacher who says,

1:12:20 I wanna clean up myself, give me the spray bottle,

1:12:23 or the older kids that might assist in that.

1:12:26 Every special situation, whether it is a culinary lab,

1:12:30 an auto body lab where they share a wrench,

1:12:34 we have a plan during the week of pre-planning

1:12:37 for those content specialists and resource teachers

1:12:40 to collaborate with the teachers across the district

1:12:43 in that shared occupation.

1:12:45 They’ve already provided us a lot of feedback

1:12:47 on one of those teacher feedback ones.

1:12:51 But again, in some cases,

1:12:53 it’s securing additional resources.

1:12:55 For example, schools might buy more calculators.

1:12:59 There may be a different way of managing things,

1:13:03 but in every school site, in every type of class,

1:13:08 it is a little different.

1:13:09 So we are certainly empowering them

1:13:11 to create policies and guidelines

1:13:13 as supported by the school

1:13:14 and, of course, supported by the district.

1:13:16 So some of those really granular topics

1:13:20 will be fleshed out more prior to the arrival

1:13:22 of the students, but with complete collaboration

1:13:26 with every teacher in that area.

1:13:28 So before any final decisions are made,

1:13:30 Ms. Johnson will collaborate with all the band teachers.

1:13:33 We’ll collaborate, Ms. La Traverse will collaborate

1:13:36 with all of the art teachers,

1:13:38 Ms. Ely with all of the media specialists.

1:13:42 So yeah, they may not be explicit here,

1:13:45 but the plan is in place.

1:13:48 - Right, so if I’m understanding them,

1:13:50 then the district will be able to review

1:13:54 some of those narrow plans, is that correct?

1:13:57 - Oh, sure.

1:13:57 All of those teams are under,

1:14:01 one of the cabinet members stream a flow.

1:14:04 So all of our tech specialists work under Mr. Cheatham,

1:14:09 our resource teachers, whether they’re

1:14:11 the assistive technology resource teacher

1:14:13 and how we work with students

1:14:14 who need assistive technology or art supplies.

1:14:17 So we have dispatched them to that task.

1:14:20 And for example, this week we made the decision

1:14:23 on dressing up for PE because we already had clear guidance

1:14:29 from national and state organizations.

1:14:31 We could not collectively determine a good way

1:14:34 to do that in a locker room.

1:14:36 So we were able to already clearly identify that.

1:14:39 Ms. Winston with her teachers will identify

1:14:42 healthy practices for physical education,

1:14:44 fresh air and those activities within those guidelines.

1:14:48 - Okay, thank you.

1:14:50 - No problem, good questions, thank you.

1:14:53 - I do wanna address the other half of that.

1:14:55 And it was the question of how do we know?

1:14:56 How do we know this is happening?

1:15:00 And I’m gonna address that in two ways.

1:15:03 The first is, first we assume the professionalism

1:15:07 of our staff.

1:15:08 We have to go in with the assumption that our teachers,

1:15:11 our bus drivers, our clerical staff, our custodians,

1:15:15 all the support personnel are operating

1:15:17 under the same level of professionalism

1:15:19 as we expect of ourselves.

1:15:23 And that when we put out guidance

1:15:24 that they’re going to follow it.

1:15:26 The second thing I can address toward that

1:15:29 is that we have to focus on past practice.

1:15:33 And like I said, we stood up our return to activity plan.

1:15:39 One of the scariest things is to have your first plan

1:15:45 roll out be one that’s activity oriented.

1:15:49 Which just by the very nature of what it is,

1:15:52 is an area in which kids interact with one another,

1:15:57 with equipment, with coaches, in large groups.

1:16:00 And when we put out our guidelines

1:16:02 for the return to activity and said thou shalt not,

1:16:07 I wasn’t sure.

1:16:10 I wasn’t sure if we would be able to hold

1:16:13 the thou shalt not.

1:16:16 And in fact, the instances that we have worked through

1:16:20 with schools, we have been able to work through

1:16:23 with schools because they were following

1:16:24 the plan to the letter.

1:16:26 They were evaluating kids as they came in.

1:16:29 They were keeping kids in small groups.

1:16:31 They were keeping kids as separate as they could,

1:16:35 six feet apart.

1:16:37 We were able to mitigate illness because our coaches,

1:16:41 our athletic directors and our administrators

1:16:43 were following the plan.

1:16:45 So I would say that I can’t guarantee anything,

1:16:51 any more than I can guarantee that nobody

1:16:54 is ever going to catch COVID again,

1:16:56 ‘cause I would love to make that guarantee.

1:16:58 But I can say that with the assumption of professionalism

1:17:01 and our past experiences with our people

1:17:04 following the plans that we put out,

1:17:06 I have high expectations and high hopes.

1:17:10 - Thank you.

1:17:11 And I did not mean this as a disparage

1:17:14 against our staff at all.

1:17:15 I know we have great professionals.

1:17:17 I just get concerned.

1:17:25 - Thank you.

1:17:26 - So I have a couple of questions

1:17:27 and I was just gonna go page by page.

1:17:30 The first one is when are the cleaning supplies

1:17:32 gonna get to the schools?

1:17:36 - I can answer that in part.

1:17:39 So the schools should have cleaning supplies.

1:17:42 We had schools order heavily in the spring.

1:17:48 We had our kind of quiet period to close books

1:17:52 and that period has opened now

1:17:53 for them to do additional orders.

1:17:55 Through the CARES Act, we allocated additional resources

1:17:59 to every school beyond what we also ordered for them.

1:18:04 So in CARES Act, we focused on personal items.

1:18:08 We ordered a huge supply of masks,

1:18:11 a huge supply of hand sanitizer.

1:18:14 For example, every teacher will start the year

1:18:17 with a gallon jug with a pump.

1:18:19 So picture a gallon of hand sanitizer.

1:18:22 We ordered face shields for teachers

1:18:25 who would prefer a face shield.

1:18:27 We ordered the plexi and something else

1:18:30 that I just can’t remember at this point.

1:18:31 So we ordered large batch things

1:18:33 that we wanted to make sure were there.

1:18:35 Oh, the thermometers that were there day one.

1:18:38 Separate from that, schools have varying levels

1:18:41 of custodial supplies towards the end of the year.

1:18:44 Jim Powers from Sue’s office communicated extensively

1:18:48 with the head custodians and the teams at the school

1:18:53 on what additional supplies to order,

1:18:55 what would be appropriate for that in-process cleaning.

1:18:59 So as of, I think, today, if I’m not mistaken,

1:19:01 Ms. Lisinski, the accounting system’s open again.

1:19:05 The new money allocated via our CARES Act

1:19:08 is in their accounts for them to order additional supplies

1:19:11 that make sense for their campus.

1:19:13 And so what makes sense for an outdoor campus

1:19:15 might be different than an indoor campus.

1:19:17 And so those allocations are loaded,

1:19:19 and they have the information for anything else

1:19:22 that they may want to purchase.

1:19:24 So some was the school’s bot, some was our bot.

1:19:27 Separately, Ms. Han is gonna talk later

1:19:30 about this fantastical misting product

1:19:35 that we ordered for every school.

1:19:37 Those will be delivered as soon as upon arrival.

1:19:39 But at this point, through procurement,

1:19:41 everything that we’ve purchased for start of school

1:19:43 will be here prior to the start of school.

1:19:45 - Beautiful, thank you.

1:19:46 And that was one of the things.

1:19:49 Did we clean out all of the teacher’s furniture

1:19:51 and everything else?

1:19:52 Have they done that, or is that something

1:19:53 they’re gonna be doing when they get back?

1:19:54 - It’s in progress.

1:19:56 So the schools have been reaching teachers

1:19:58 and handling it with the custodial staff.

1:20:02 I can’t give you a percentage,

1:20:04 but they’ve been working on it since the spring.

1:20:06 - Okay.

1:20:08 The desk’s in the same direction.

1:20:09 When I was looking at that, being a teacher,

1:20:11 I taught Socratic circles, I taught group work,

1:20:13 I did all that stuff, right?

1:20:15 Are we saying that that is not gonna be part

1:20:18 of the curriculum, even if they’re socially distanced?

1:20:20 Or are we saying that they’re allowed to do that

1:20:23 as long as they’re socially distanced?

1:20:24 Does that make any sense?

1:20:25 - The CDC guideline is that desk should all be faced

1:20:27 in the same direction.

1:20:31 - Okay.

1:20:31 - I would, Mr. Susan, I would

1:20:36 suggest that it’s a hard decision to make in general.

1:20:39 In some of our schools, it’s really easy and common

1:20:42 for a teacher to go outdoors and utilize outdoor spaces

1:20:46 for things that aren’t best able in a classroom.

1:20:50 I think, by and large, most of our classroom spaces

1:20:53 could not handle, in a safe manner,

1:20:56 students in a circle in the classroom,

1:20:59 but perhaps that day they utilized the cafeteria

1:21:02 or made an arrangement with their principal

1:21:04 based on cleaning protocols.

1:21:07 So what we wouldn’t want is taking a new space

1:21:11 without working with the principal,

1:21:12 ‘cause we wanna make sure those cleaning protocols happen.

1:21:15 And so, I would suggest that that is a hard question

1:21:22 off the top, but.

1:21:26 - It might all change next week, too,

1:21:28 when the CDC comes out with new guidelines, right?

1:21:30 - It could be changing as we speak.

1:21:32 And so, I just think that the goal of the seats forward

1:21:37 is just, we all know the spits, you know, the droplets?

1:21:41 What’s the right word?

1:21:42 I shouldn’t say spit. - Droplets is the right word.

1:21:43 - Droplets. - Droplets is the right word.

1:21:45 - You know, if we can avoid it,

1:21:46 but if there is a safe alternative, it depends on the school.

1:21:49 In some of our schools, the classrooms,

1:21:52 the safest thing is to keep them the way they are.

1:21:55 We’ve got some unusually large classrooms somewhere

1:21:57 with maybe smaller kids.

1:21:59 We would really trust our teachers

1:22:01 to collaborate with their principals.

1:22:02 - Plus, the viral load is different in age groups, too,

1:22:05 so I agree with that.

1:22:06 Hallway patterns for the face-to-face interaction,

1:22:09 are we allowing them to print out at their schools?

1:22:12 Is that up to the school-based location

1:22:13 on how that’s gonna work,

1:22:14 or is that gonna be something that the print services

1:22:16 and the print services cover for the schools?

1:22:19 Who’s printing those signs?

1:22:20 Who’s doing all that stuff?

1:22:22 - Got it, I lost the question there.

1:22:24 Little bit of both.

1:22:25 So some of our schools have already ordered,

1:22:27 before we even, it was a glimmer in our eye,

1:22:30 the principals had already begun.

1:22:32 Some of our schools already have one-way hallways.

1:22:35 Some of our schools had minor changes,

1:22:37 and because of other reasons, wanted one-way hallways.

1:22:41 Some of them ordered them before we even talked about it.

1:22:43 So Molly Vega is our point of contact on print materials.

1:22:47 We built a budget into the CARES Act for print materials,

1:22:51 so she’s working directly with print shops,

1:22:55 so that there’s not a million different people doing it,

1:22:58 and working with our schools,

1:23:00 and ordering signage for the schools,

1:23:03 and then providing them information

1:23:04 on ordering additional signs.

1:23:06 - And you’ll see throughout my questioning,

1:23:08 my concerns was that a lot of it would fall

1:23:10 on the cost of the school’s budgets and stuff like that,

1:23:12 and I applaud you for everything that you’ve been saying.

1:23:15 Thank you so much.

1:23:16 The ordering, phenomenal.

1:23:17 The money that we’ve packed for CARES Act, phenomenal.

1:23:20 I just wanna make sure, as we’re going through,

1:23:22 that those are checked off.

1:23:23 - Good questions.

1:23:24 - Plexiglass barriers, we’re seeing in offices

1:23:27 and reception areas, did we look at that

1:23:29 in the areas of classrooms that may be smaller?

1:23:33 I know some of my schools are smaller.

1:23:34 So I have some classrooms that are smaller

1:23:36 because of the way they’re designed than other schools.

1:23:40 Have we looked at possibly using those Plexiglass barriers

1:23:43 in those classrooms that are smaller

1:23:45 and have kids closer, basically?

1:23:48 - Yeah, so to start the ordering,

1:23:51 I might butcher this a little bit,

1:23:52 but I’m gonna be pretty close.

1:23:55 For every school, we made sure every school’s front counter

1:23:57 had a pretty large Plexiglass thingy,

1:23:59 so however large this thingy is.

1:24:02 For their front office, our high schools

1:24:06 that also have a attendance office that’s separate,

1:24:10 parents come in, we got another large thingy.

1:24:13 And then we also got large thingies

1:24:15 for the media center circulation desk,

1:24:18 because that’s also another point of contact.

1:24:20 Separate from that, we ordered an additional 10 to 15,

1:24:24 depending on the size of the schools,

1:24:26 smaller thingies that could be moved.

1:24:30 And for the schools to figure out,

1:24:31 just to have them to start, to figure out

1:24:34 where it made sense.

1:24:36 So if a teacher wanted to have one of those

1:24:39 in their classroom, it made sense that the school

1:24:40 could, of course, order it,

1:24:42 which is why we put additional funds in their account.

1:24:44 So we spent some upfront and some additional.

1:24:48 Our procurement folks are putting together

1:24:51 kind of a one-pager for schools

1:24:53 on if you want more of these things, how to do it.

1:24:56 I wanna back up a little on funding.

1:25:01 A significant portion of these supplies and materials,

1:25:05 the cost can be co-split with FEMA and CARES Act.

1:25:10 And so I’ve become FEMA friends

1:25:14 with our friends in risk management.

1:25:16 And so the way the budget works,

1:25:18 if we took $100 and spent them on this type of equipment,

1:25:23 we are budgeting $12.50 of that out of CARES Act,

1:25:29 and the 87.5 will come through FEMA.

1:25:34 And so all of those budgets are running

1:25:36 through my office right now,

1:25:37 ‘cause we don’t have a grant coordinator,

1:25:40 the other duties as assigned.

1:25:43 And so every single purchase that the school makes

1:25:46 will come through my office so that I can track

1:25:50 to make sure every one of those dollars

1:25:53 are reimbursed either through FEMA or through CARES Act.

1:25:56 And so the FEMA portion of it is allowing us

1:26:00 to amplify our CARES Act dollars on all those supplies.

1:26:04 So everything that we’ve discussed and purchased

1:26:07 is not general fund purchases.

1:26:09 They are purchases that will be either reimbursed

1:26:12 through FEMA and/or CARES Act or a combination thereof.

1:26:17 And we set up a pretty tight protocol

1:26:20 to make sure all those expenditures

1:26:21 are being tracked properly and eligible.

1:26:24 And that protocol right now is me,

1:26:27 but we hope to expand that protocol soon.

1:26:30 - That’s amazing.

1:26:31 Dr. Mullins, do you know what the time lapse

1:26:33 on those FEMA reimbursement,

1:26:35 ‘cause I know we were two years behind on that hurricane.

1:26:37 - This is a rapid version.

1:26:40 I assume I asked all those questions.

1:26:43 This is a process that’s slightly different

1:26:45 than with a typical hurricane reimbursement process.

1:26:49 I worked with the folks that do it,

1:26:51 and the state has set those guidelines.

1:26:53 It also works, expecting a rapid replacement.

1:26:57 - Perfect, because we don’t wanna get into a situation

1:26:59 like we were before, we’re two years behind.

1:27:01 - No, this is a very explicit kind of like sub-project

1:27:04 of FEMA that we work together on planning for.

1:27:09 - So what I’m hearing you say is that if a school

1:27:11 has additional requests based upon the fact

1:27:13 that they’re a different setup,

1:27:15 that they can make those not affecting their school budget,

1:27:18 but actually make it, and we can use the CARES Act

1:27:21 and FEMA reimbursement for majority of those things.

1:27:23 - Correct, 100%.

1:27:24 - Beautiful, thank you so much.

1:27:26 Okay, that answers a couple of these other ones.

1:27:31 And then can you explain the school schedules

1:27:33 will be designed to minimize congregation

1:27:35 in communal areas, cafeterias, gyms, courtyards.

1:27:38 School teams will also develop arrival

1:27:40 and dismissal protocols to minimize interaction.

1:27:43 This is a big deal for a lot of the people around.

1:27:45 Can you kind of explain that, how that process–

1:27:47 - We’ll tag team elementary, secondary,

1:27:49 so I’ll let Jane go first.

1:27:50 - And if at any time I ask a question

1:27:53 that may be in-depth referred in the back of the document,

1:27:56 please tell me and I’ll wait until that point.

1:27:58 I just didn’t want to miss it and then not catch it.

1:28:01 I’ve gone through it.

1:28:02 - Let me go a little bit deeper into that.

1:28:04 - Perfect, skip it then, just skip it.

1:28:08 I don’t want to waste time right now

1:28:09 ‘cause I’m thinking about ordering lunch right now.

1:28:14 - We have a principal work group

1:28:18 that is going to be for elementary

1:28:20 who are going to do the work group

1:28:22 actually began on Monday.

1:28:24 And they volunteered to work on

1:28:26 what are best practices for elementary

1:28:29 based on the design of the school.

1:28:31 So not every school in elementary

1:28:33 is going one way or the other.

1:28:36 We’re going down cross paths in those elementary schools.

1:28:39 So what process will take place

1:28:42 is also scheduling to over the age,

1:28:49 the best tips for the learning about how to get through this

1:28:53 or the mind to look for that process.

1:28:58 Also, the power was being used.

1:29:00 We’re going to go a little bit deeper in that later.

1:29:03 - Okay.

1:29:05 - First, for secondary lunch scheduling

1:29:08 is a really good example.

1:29:10 A lot of our schools operate under a power hour.

1:29:13 And as you can imagine, not ideal for social distancing.

1:29:17 So they’re adjusting their lunch schedules.

1:29:19 A school that might have had two lunches

1:29:21 is now operating three lunches,

1:29:23 or sometimes even four lunches

1:29:25 to minimize to the best of our abilities.

1:29:29 Our presidential schools are working together.

1:29:31 Their courtyard areas have some unique challenges.

1:29:35 I do want to emphasize that this is one of those things

1:29:38 that is a multiple commitment.

1:29:42 It is going to be a commitment from parents

1:29:44 and their expectations of their children,

1:29:46 children and their respect for the guidelines that are set.

1:29:50 It is human nature to congregate

1:29:52 around people you care about.

1:29:54 And it’s going to have to be some deliberate steps

1:29:57 to be avoiding of that.

1:29:59 And so I don’t want to suggest

1:30:03 that there’ll be no pictures on Facebook

1:30:05 at a congregation of people, potentially.

1:30:08 Everybody’s going to do the very best they can

1:30:10 in the physical footprint that they can.

1:30:12 But our principals are collaborating, changing schedules,

1:30:15 changing where kids get dropped off and wait.

1:30:18 We have some sort of cattle call areas.

1:30:20 And just adjusting some of those routines and procedures.

1:30:24 - Mr. Susan, I did want to,

1:30:27 you were talking about Plexiglas

1:30:29 and Dr. Sullivan talked about the face shields.

1:30:32 This is a shield.

1:30:34 So teachers will have it.

1:30:35 It’s elastic, foam. - It’s great.

1:30:39 - So super lightweight and you can wear it and teach

1:30:43 and do everything you need to do.

1:30:46 - That’s awesome. - I would mention

1:30:47 that we purchased one for every teacher

1:30:50 and every assistant type.

1:30:52 And if by no means implies they’re required to wear it,

1:30:55 we just wanted to have ample available

1:30:57 at the start of school for any teacher

1:30:59 or instructional assistants that felt more comfortable

1:31:04 and felt that that was a good decision

1:31:05 for their teaching practice.

1:31:07 So those are, I think here or here any minute,

1:31:10 those will be at the schools

1:31:11 and the schools did not have to order those.

1:31:13 We ordered those.

1:31:14 - And when that happened, it was right at the beginning

1:31:17 of the end of the school year.

1:31:18 And I had called ‘cause the shortages on masks were going

1:31:21 and I called and they said, Mr. Susan, we got this.

1:31:24 - We do. - And I just want to tell you

1:31:25 how happy that made me feel that this was already ordered.

1:31:28 Everything’s already been in place.

1:31:30 You guys did a phenomenal job there.

1:31:32 My next question is the communication liaison

1:31:34 for the health department duties and responsibilities.

1:31:36 Have we gotten that job description,

1:31:39 what they’re gonna be doing, what that scope is,

1:31:42 any of that or is that just in flux right now

1:31:43 and we’ll get it?

1:31:46 - I will tell you that right now that is in flux,

1:31:48 although I imagine that the people who are already

1:31:51 being the epi liaisons at the department of health,

1:31:53 they already have that in writing.

1:31:55 So it’s just a matter of us collaborating on who that is.

1:31:58 That person will be an employee

1:32:01 of the department of health, not a–

1:32:02 - Okay, so we don’t need a job description

1:32:04 to come before us. - No, we don’t.

1:32:04 - We don’t need any of that stuff ahead of time.

1:32:05 - Correct. - Okay.

1:32:09 One of the issue that I consistently had coming up

1:32:12 was consistent messaging from one source.

1:32:16 A lot of our parents and individuals

1:32:18 and across the entire district wanted to have one place

1:32:22 to go to so that they consistently went.

1:32:25 Is that the overall theme of what we’re gonna be doing

1:32:27 is one consistent place and that’s gonna come out

1:32:29 of our communications or I remember you saying something

1:32:32 about your team.

1:32:34 - The source for the, I’m gonna hesitate here for a second,

1:32:38 source for what?

1:32:39 I just need more information.

1:32:41 - Well, one of the issues that we have is source

1:32:43 for information coming out of the district.

1:32:45 So if we have school-based decisions coming

1:32:48 out of this place, we have COVID-based decisions

1:32:51 coming out of this place, we have other decisions,

1:32:53 the parents are gonna have difficulty finding that thread,

1:32:56 that pipe. - Understood.

1:32:57 - So the idea would be that we have one consistent place

1:32:59 that all messaging’s coming out from one platform,

1:33:02 one website, wherever that is,

1:33:04 even if it’s multiple departments to go through

1:33:06 on one consistent messaging or a place they can all go.

1:33:08 - Yeah, our communication is gonna come out

1:33:10 through government and community relations.

1:33:11 - So they’ll have a website with everything set up

1:33:13 that they can go to for the messaging,

1:33:15 they’re not gonna have to go to five different websites

1:33:16 to find the information or anything like that?

1:33:18 - Right at the beginning of all of this,

1:33:20 government and community relations stood up a website.

1:33:22 We have put everything that we have produced

1:33:25 in the district on that website and they will continue

1:33:29 to add to that as we move and grow and add more

1:33:34 to our response.

1:33:36 - So parents will be able to go to that one spot

1:33:38 to find out any communication or any issue

1:33:39 that they need and is it going to be in multiple education

1:33:43 or in multiple languages?

1:33:45 How do we deal with the multiple language piece?

1:33:48 - Yeah, it’s currently stood up on our current website

1:33:51 and there’s a function on our website

1:33:54 that translates it into multiple languages.

1:33:56 So that’s already taken care of, so that’s not a problem.

1:34:01 The other question was–

1:34:03 - Well, so, and that’s amazing and you guys did that

1:34:05 and I wanted to thank you ‘cause that was a big deal

1:34:07 at the beginning and I wanted our people online

1:34:09 to understand that ‘cause that was a big thing

1:34:11 coming into this that I kept getting

1:34:12 coming out of my Melbourne area.

1:34:14 The other piece is that we have videos

1:34:16 that we’re gonna be talking about.

1:34:17 We talked about doing all these videos.

1:34:20 Is there a way to engage translators?

1:34:23 I know Ms. Diaz over there was saying

1:34:24 that she may be one of the people,

1:34:26 but is there a way to do that in Spanish

1:34:28 and in some of the other languages that are most prevalent?

1:34:30 - We have a, I don’t know what to call it,

1:34:33 a mini group within the team, within the task force

1:34:37 that is working on that project to include

1:34:41 our primary second languages in Brevard Public Schools

1:34:45 and for them to all be easily accessible.

1:34:49 So yeah, there’s a team working on that.

1:34:51 Nikki Hensley is our liaison

1:34:56 with government and community relations

1:34:58 and is working with the professionals in each area.

1:35:01 So they’re working on transportation videos,

1:35:04 cafeteria videos, hallway videos.

1:35:09 Chris Moore taught us the chamfered

1:35:12 or something like that, she said.

1:35:14 We’re really just showing multiple videos

1:35:16 on behavioral expectations and those will all

1:35:20 be very public on one side, all embedded

1:35:22 within that one current site as well.

1:35:25 So Nikki has joined, Nikki’s an unofficial member

1:35:28 of the task force, but she’s been

1:35:30 in all of our task force discussions

1:35:32 and she and I meet regularly in the communications

1:35:35 task force cross-walking these topics.

1:35:38 - And that’ll go something like a video

1:35:39 with the words across the bottom or something.

1:35:42 Somehow my families will be able to go on there

1:35:44 and see it in the other languages that they have.

1:35:47 You are awesome, thank you, right?

1:35:49 I finished it out, I just said thank you.

1:35:51 - We’re definitely not that awesome yet,

1:35:52 but it’s in the works.

1:35:54 - Everything’s in the works. - It’s in the works.

1:35:56 - If you need any help in those,

1:35:58 there’s a lot of community organizations

1:36:00 that are calling for it.

1:36:01 It would be great to task them to help out in that area.

1:36:03 - Yeah, we are utilizing a lot of resources

1:36:06 that are already available on top of the ones

1:36:08 that aren’t available, creating some that aren’t.

1:36:10 But we have no shame in working with others

1:36:13 and getting those things supported.

1:36:15 - Good, and didn’t just that.

1:36:16 And then we’re gonna talk about the whole piece

1:36:18 where you said in here about what happens

1:36:22 when a student gets sick and what the policy is

1:36:24 and the breakdown. - Several pages

1:36:25 on that later. - In depth.

1:36:26 - Got it? - Lots of detail.

1:36:27 - Just wanna make sure. - In depth.

1:36:27 - I saw it back there, I just didn’t wanna go.

1:36:29 All right, page 13.

1:36:32 One of the issues that I have is that a lot of this says

1:36:35 we’re gonna have policies and procedures for teachers.

1:36:37 We’re gonna have policies and procedures for this.

1:36:40 The time period that we come back

1:36:42 is gonna be a minimal amount of time

1:36:44 to get all of these pieces done.

1:36:46 And we’re talking about,

1:36:48 and here these are all future tense,

1:36:51 we’re going to, we’re going to,

1:36:53 so a lot of these– - So this was all

1:36:55 the prior to school opening.

1:36:56 So that is representing the work we’re doing right now.

1:36:59 So everything on this list is being prepared

1:37:03 for the start of school.

1:37:04 They’re not future, we hope to one day.

1:37:06 These are the things that are already,

1:37:08 we’re in the midst of that will be ready to roll.

1:37:12 So do you have a specific question?

1:37:14 - No, no, no, here’s where it’s gonna come is

1:37:16 is that we’re gonna have a new IEP

1:37:18 that’s gonna be a health piece IEP.

1:37:19 I love that, right?

1:37:21 How does that fit into if a teacher does not follow

1:37:23 that 100%, is it gonna be kinda like the other IEPs

1:37:26 that we have?

1:37:27 Or is that piece right there, does that make sense to you?

1:37:31 - Yeah, I just wanna work on the language just a little bit.

1:37:33 It’s not an IEP, it’s not related to a federally–

1:37:36 - I know, I know, but it’s a piece that–

1:37:37 - It’s a health plan, and we currently have health plans.

1:37:40 And the way we typically do health plans now

1:37:42 is we say they’re in the nurse, the clinic–

1:37:44 - I have a kid that has asthma.

1:37:45 - And you guys come down and you review it

1:37:47 so that you know what it is.

1:37:48 We’ve just changed the process

1:37:50 so that we are more deliberate

1:37:52 in getting it into teachers’ hands

1:37:53 and ensuring that they’ve read it

1:37:54 and ensuring that they’ve signed off on it.

1:37:56 That’s the piece that’s different.

1:37:58 - Okay, then the last piece on this page

1:38:01 that I was gonna ask about is that there seems to be

1:38:04 a log jam at the school level on the forms

1:38:06 that the parents are filling out.

1:38:09 So I have a student that has a health concern

1:38:14 or anything like that, they fill the form out,

1:38:16 and then the process by which it takes

1:38:18 to turn that form in and return that form back

1:38:21 is an extended amount of time.

1:38:22 I heard that from four families from different schools.

1:38:25 So I have a feeling that as students are registering

1:38:29 that we’re going to see an abundance of individuals

1:38:32 coming forward with medically needed situations possibly.

1:38:36 Are we ready for the influx of extra need in that area?

1:38:40 And is that process streamlined to address it

1:38:42 to where that time period may not be as long?

1:38:45 - So they could be talking about several different things

1:38:48 when they bring that to your attention,

1:38:49 so I’m gonna need more information.

1:38:51 They could be talking about a health form.

1:38:53 They could be talking about a 504 plan.

1:38:56 - Nope, health form, health form.

1:38:57 - Or are they talking about a chronic illness form?

1:39:00 - Chronic illness form and a health form

1:39:01 were the two that they were talking about.

1:39:04 - The health form is something

1:39:05 that just stays at the school.

1:39:06 It’s reviewed by the school nurse

1:39:08 and then rolled out to the teachers.

1:39:10 So I’m not sure that there would be a log jam there.

1:39:12 The chronic illness form, there could be a log jam

1:39:15 because it takes several levels of approval to say,

1:39:18 yes, here’s this chronic illness,

1:39:20 and we’re going to waive these absences

1:39:23 because of this chronic illness.

1:39:25 So in terms of that, yes,

1:39:31 I think there are going to be more chronic illness forms,

1:39:34 and we are going to have

1:39:34 the same number of people handling them.

1:39:36 And so we will do the best that we can.

1:39:39 But as long as we continue

1:39:43 to all follow the same health guidelines

1:39:45 and the nurses will triage those chronic illness forms,

1:39:49 we’ll handle the most concerning cases first

1:39:53 and work through them.

1:39:55 If we could get, the more we could get in now, the better.

1:39:58 Our nurses come back.

1:40:02 The day school starts, isn’t it?

1:40:04 - Well, they usually get a day before–

1:40:05 - The day before. - To get their clinics.

1:40:08 We bring them back to doing service.

1:40:12 It’s challenging right now with social distancing.

1:40:14 Instead of doing 120,

1:40:20 we’re going to be able to fragment these issues.

1:40:23 - I will say that we have a lot of students

1:40:27 that have chronic illnesses.

1:40:28 Their forms are on file.

1:40:29 Their plans are in place.

1:40:31 I’m hoping, I’m hoping that as new students register,

1:40:36 we’re going to only be dealing with new students

1:40:39 and that we don’t have a lot of new

1:40:41 and different chronic health conditions

1:40:44 that have appeared in this time.

1:40:47 But if we do, we’ll deal with them.

1:40:49 - Is that form paper or is that form something

1:40:53 that can be digital to speed up the process?

1:40:56 - I can look at that.

1:40:56 That’s a great suggestion.

1:40:58 It is paper.

1:40:59 We’ll look at it.

1:41:00 It does go back and forth between a physician

1:41:03 and the health department and the schools.

1:41:05 And that’s part of what the holdup is,

1:41:08 is that it goes between three different agencies.

1:41:10 We can look at digitalizing that.

1:41:12 That’s not a problem at all, getting that taken care of.

1:41:17 I just, I’m concerned– - I don’t know that it’s

1:41:19 necessarily gonna, it may speed up the process

1:41:21 and we’ll take a look at it and try it.

1:41:22 - And then– - If I could add,

1:41:24 in my experience, when the parent contacts the principal,

1:41:29 they’ll connect him to the nurse liaison

1:41:31 and the nurse liaison will look into that case,

1:41:34 follow up, identify what’s missing and speak to that parent.

1:41:37 See, I said all those words correctly.

1:41:39 And so there is a layer outside of the school nurse

1:41:44 that reviews and processes and follows up on the doctor’s stuff

1:41:48 and in my experience, the nurse liaisons

1:41:51 have been very, very happy to talk to parents

1:41:53 who are midstream and so like many things,

1:41:56 I would certainly encourage a parent to talk to the principal

1:41:59 who can help connect them with a nurse liaison.

1:42:02 - Okay. - And there’s a difference

1:42:05 between what a chronic illness form does

1:42:07 and what a health plan does I think is important.

1:42:09 A chronic health condition is all about attendance, really.

1:42:13 It’s about I have migraines and so I may not get to a doctor

1:42:19 for every migraine because he knows I have migraines

1:42:21 or she knows I know I have migraines

1:42:23 and I may be absent more than normal because I have migraines.

1:42:28 A health plan is one that I have a condition

1:42:31 that all of us need to be aware of

1:42:33 because we have to mitigate any kind of–

1:42:35 - Seizures. - Yeah, that would be

1:42:37 a great example, like a seizure.

1:42:38 So we all need to be aware of it.

1:42:40 We all need to know how to respond

1:42:42 and take precautions because of it.

1:42:43 So our real focus is on those health plans.

1:42:48 Those chronic condition forms,

1:42:51 it’s really all about attendance

1:42:52 and we’ll be working through them.

1:42:54 - So my concern is we have a more than normal amount

1:42:57 that come in, we have a longer time to identify

1:43:01 and I would show some concern there

1:43:05 to see if we can’t allocate some kind of resources

1:43:08 and I’m speaking as an individual board member

1:43:10 to take care of that piece

1:43:11 so that we don’t have students

1:43:12 that are falling through the cracks

1:43:14 when it comes to the form just taking some time

1:43:17 to get around.

1:43:18 I think doing it online would speed up the process like that.

1:43:21 I think that as long as the individuals

1:43:22 that are in the pipe understand

1:43:24 that when they get those to move them through quicker,

1:43:26 I think that that would be great.

1:43:28 That was just one of my major concerns

1:43:30 was that form coming back in the event

1:43:32 that we have a lot of parents that are concerned

1:43:34 about making sure their kids are taken care of

1:43:35 with their attendance ‘cause that’s a whole nother piece.

1:43:38 - Yeah. - If I could add,

1:43:39 later on, you’ll see that we’re gonna have

1:43:42 extreme generosity regarding attendance

1:43:44 for this school year so that might help alleviate

1:43:46 some of those parents’ concerns.

1:43:49 When a parent makes a determination

1:43:51 that it’s in their child’s best medical interest

1:43:54 to stay home, we will be excusing that absence

1:43:57 and so for this year, I think your families

1:44:01 with those concerns can be comforted

1:44:04 to know that we will have a relatively low threshold

1:44:08 of documentation and that threshold

1:44:10 is parent telling us it’s in their child’s

1:44:12 best medical interest.

1:44:13 And so we have that ability through existing statute,

1:44:19 a DOE rule and yeah, so there’s later information on it

1:44:24 but those parents won’t need that form this year

1:44:28 in regards to attendance so that might help.

1:44:30 - Yep, thank you.

1:44:32 - If I could just jump in on talking

1:44:34 about digitizing all these forms.

1:44:37 You’re talking about digitizing and transmitting

1:44:39 digitally information that could be sensitive for students

1:44:43 so I would make sure that anything that we’re doing

1:44:45 goes through IT to make sure the proper encryptions

1:44:48 are being put in place.

1:44:50 - Yep, maybe the same as if we were putting

1:44:52 a telehealth inside each one of the schools

1:44:54 for the teachers, you have to have a dedicated line

1:44:56 to run it through.

1:44:57 - Right and some people don’t understand

1:45:00 that they gotta do it a certain way

1:45:02 and they’ll just transmit stuff with Social Security

1:45:04 and everything else on it over email

1:45:07 and then it’s not properly encrypted

1:45:09 so we need to make sure IT is there

1:45:11 and we’re getting the proper training

1:45:13 for anybody that’s out there that you can’t just email

1:45:16 these documents.

1:45:17 - I think that training should come in general

1:45:20 because we have multiple besides just this.

1:45:22 Like there’s not just a critical incident form

1:45:25 that needs it, Social Security numbers are on

1:45:26 every one of our forms so that should be a training

1:45:29 that is actually done at the schools already.

1:45:32 I would be remissed if we’re not training our people

1:45:34 to watch what they’re sending over their thing.

1:45:36 So thank you, thank you.

1:45:38 - Ms. Belford, can I jump back in real quick

1:45:39 on a related issue to what Mr. Sisson was talking about?

1:45:43 - Mr. Tiedemann, it looked to me like you were getting

1:45:45 ready to respond, did you wanna address?

1:45:46 - Go ahead.

1:45:47 - I was gonna say we inform our schools

1:45:49 but a lot of those emails come from parents

1:45:51 and it’s very difficult to train a parent

1:45:52 how to encrypt and do some of those things

1:45:54 with emails, they just don’t.

1:45:56 - That liability wouldn’t be on us though

1:45:58 if a parent did it, it would be their liability

1:46:00 for coming into us, right?

1:46:02 - We have no, I’m not worried about the parent.

1:46:04 If the parent chooses to email it to us,

1:46:06 that’s their problem, once we get it,

1:46:07 we gotta make sure we’re properly doing it.

1:46:09 So as long as our people know,

1:46:11 like once we transmit it to DOH,

1:46:14 we don’t really control what DOH does.

1:46:16 I wouldn’t be concerned with them either

1:46:18 but if a physician just emails it to us in the open,

1:46:21 that’s not our problem, we don’t control it

1:46:23 but if we email it to DOH unencrypted,

1:46:26 that would be our problem.

1:46:28 - Yep.

1:46:30 - Ms. Kendall, did you wanna tag on to that?

1:46:32 - The clinic issue, we, this year more than ever before,

1:46:36 it’ll be really important to have our clinics fully staffed

1:46:38 and I know sometimes that’s been a problem.

1:46:40 So is there anything that we’re doing differently this year

1:46:43 just to make sure that every day we have a,

1:46:47 you know, someone to run our clinics

1:46:49 instead of having to sub in sometimes.

1:46:51 And I know it may still happen but sometimes our clerks

1:46:53 and secretaries are having to jump in there.

1:46:54 So what, any changes on that front?

1:46:59 - I, well I can speak to half of it.

1:47:01 You jump in, you jump in.

1:47:03 And I said this to the principals the other day.

1:47:09 So we start schools without teachers in classes

1:47:14 because that is what we have to do

1:47:18 and that is what the current hiring

1:47:21 and employee pool forces upon us, right?

1:47:25 You can’t hire teachers if they’re not out there.

1:47:28 The same is true for nurses.

1:47:29 So the Department of Health has,

1:47:32 just like there’s a teacher shortage,

1:47:33 there’s a nursing shortage.

1:47:36 They hire their nursing staff as quickly as they can

1:47:40 and they hire, they actually have allocations

1:47:43 for nursing subs.

1:47:46 And last year we still had vacancies

1:47:48 and we had vacancies in the nursing sub pool

1:47:50 and they continue to put out and hire.

1:47:52 It is why part of our contract is that two people

1:47:55 from every school has to be trained to man that clinic

1:47:58 if there isn’t a nurse there.

1:48:00 We are unfortunate in that we have a 10 month contract

1:48:03 with our clinics and a lot of our nurses

1:48:05 don’t wanna work 10 months.

1:48:07 They want to, they work for us and then they lose some

1:48:10 because they get other jobs in the summer.

1:48:12 This year that was not the case

1:48:14 because almost every single one of our school nurses

1:48:17 was employed all summer long with the Department of Health

1:48:20 because they worked with COVID.

1:48:22 And so we’re actually coming into this school

1:48:24 and you’re in better shape than we have in the past

1:48:27 because we’ve retained all of those nurses.

1:48:30 I think that’s all I’m going to say but Phil, please add.

1:48:34 - No, I think Chris got it.

1:48:35 Right now I just got a report, I think as of two days ago

1:48:40 we maybe had 16 openings and that’s of course the district.

1:48:45 The benefit that we’ve had like Chris said

1:48:47 is ‘cause most of our staff have worked all summer

1:48:50 so they’ve been paid and they haven’t had the opportunity

1:48:53 or the urge to get out and get another job

1:48:56 ‘cause they’re currently working.

1:48:57 Everyone that we have working loves school health

1:49:01 and wants to come back.

1:49:02 But as Chris alluded to in Blue Skies,

1:49:06 we haven’t been in Blue Skies in a long time.

1:49:08 In Blue Skies they work 10 months

1:49:10 and they only work 29 hours a week.

1:49:12 So it’s been challenging to get the amount of staff

1:49:16 that we need at those restrictions.

1:49:22 We have a constant hiring pool.

1:49:24 We are constantly looking for nurses and health support techs.

1:49:30 It is challenging and it’s challenging every year.

1:49:33 This year, similar to what we’re hearing from everyone,

1:49:36 I haven’t had any resignations so far

1:49:39 and usually by this time we’ve had a lot of resignations.

1:49:42 My concern and I voiced it to everybody

1:49:45 is schools open, how many of our staff

1:49:48 are not going to be comfortable coming back?

1:49:50 I don’t know that as of yet.

1:49:52 But so far they have worked and thankfully

1:49:56 we’ve been very blessed that we’ve had

1:49:58 all of our school health staff.

1:50:00 And right now they have been working

1:50:01 frontline COVID response.

1:50:03 So I don’t anticipate or maybe I’m just being Pollyanna

1:50:08 and hoping that it’s not as much of a concern

1:50:11 as I’ve heard it is at other organizations.

1:50:14 They have been working frontline all summer.

1:50:17 And by frontline I mean they have been doing

1:50:19 the actual swabbing.

1:50:20 They have been doing the screening.

1:50:22 They have been doing the registration

1:50:25 for all of these testings that we’re doing.

1:50:28 So they’ve been pretty much in the thick of it.

1:50:31 So hopefully that won’t impact their decision

1:50:33 to come back in August.

1:50:35 - Thank you.

1:50:37 - Mr. Susan, do you have a question?

1:50:39 - Yeah, are we gonna get into that in depth,

1:50:41 that entire process or should we have that conversation now

1:50:44 about the COVID clinics and the nurses

1:50:46 and who covers and all that stuff?

1:50:47 - Yeah, we’ll be talking about it.

1:50:49 There’s a slide coming up.

1:50:50 - I’ll wait until then.

1:50:52 - So just to clarify, we have still 16 schools

1:50:54 that won’t have nurses, is that?

1:50:56 - No, that’s 16 positions open.

1:50:58 Some schools have got two staff in them.

1:51:01 That includes the float staff.

1:51:03 That includes the liaison for epi.

1:51:07 Right now, all of the supervisor roles are filled.

1:51:10 Right now, if I looked at it closely,

1:51:13 every school has at least one person in it.

1:51:16 There may be a few that I’m not up to speed on

1:51:20 as of today, but for the most part,

1:51:22 I think there’s about 16 vacancies.

1:51:24 - Okay, and if someone’s watching right now

1:51:26 and wants to be a school nurse, do they go on your website?

1:51:29 - They can go on their website or they can call me directly

1:51:32 and we will expedite the process.

1:51:35 - Okay, thank you, ma’am.

1:51:36 - You’re welcome.

1:51:38 - Mr. Susan, do you have additional questions

1:51:40 on slide 11 through 14?

1:51:42 - No, I think there’s a lot of it

1:51:44 that we’re gonna cover in a little bit.

1:51:46 - Ms. Belford, can I just tag onto the nurse question?

1:51:52 I don’t know if they can do this,

1:51:55 but will our nurses be able to test on site

1:51:59 if somebody presents with symptoms?

1:52:04 - No, the logistics of doing that is very challenging.

1:52:10 Anyone who’s doing a COVID test,

1:52:11 first of all, we don’t have the rapid test,

1:52:13 so it would have to be done and sent out

1:52:15 to an outside lab source.

1:52:17 They would have to be in full personal protective equipment,

1:52:20 which means they’d have to be somewhere separate

1:52:22 while they’re doing that.

1:52:23 There would be no one to man and to watch the clinic

1:52:27 while they’re doing that, and to have to get a child.

1:52:31 We have done testing at our health department for children.

1:52:37 We’ve been doing the nasopharyngeal,

1:52:38 which means that it goes up the nostril

1:52:40 into the pharyngeal cavity, and that is very difficult

1:52:44 to do on a child.

1:52:46 They’ve just now changed the guidelines

1:52:47 that we can do nasal swabs for children,

1:52:50 but that’s still a little uncomfortable for children.

1:52:54 So no, the answer is we’re not going to be testing

1:52:58 as of today, now things may change tomorrow,

1:53:01 and that would really be a huge change for us.

1:53:04 But any child can get tested at the health department.

1:53:08 - Great, thank you.

1:53:10 All right, are there any additional questions

1:53:12 on slides 10 through, actually I guess 11 through 14?

1:53:19 All right, at this point I’m gonna ask

1:53:20 that we take a brief break and recharge,

1:53:24 and we’re going to come back and get into really

1:53:26 kind of some of the meat and the details of things

1:53:29 that we have touched on up to this point.

1:53:31 So we will recess for 10 minutes,

1:53:36 and we will come back and resume, I think.

1:53:41 (sighs)

1:53:51 (upbeat music)

2:06:25 - All right, we are back in session

2:06:28 after a brief break and I believe we are picking up

2:06:31 with Ms. Klein.

2:06:35 - Yes, we are.

2:06:37 So as Dr. Sullivan alluded earlier,

2:06:41 we’ve been very involved this week in webinars

2:06:44 with the DOE going over the executive order

2:06:48 and what the assurances will be

2:06:51 to meet the state requirements for the reopening plan.

2:06:55 So as you know, we also have to add to this plan

2:07:00 the instructional continuity plan.

2:07:03 So there are seven assurances.

2:07:05 I’m gonna just go through them quickly with you.

2:07:08 The first one is we are required

2:07:12 to open our brick and mortar schools in August

2:07:17 at least five days a week for any student,

2:07:20 any parent who wants that.

2:07:21 So that is a requirement of the executive order

2:07:25 and that is assurance one that we have to complete

2:07:27 on the document that we have to complete by July 31st.

2:07:34 The district will, assurance two,

2:07:37 the district must provide a full array of services

2:07:42 including in-person instruction,

2:07:45 specialized work for our students with IEPs,

2:07:49 our students in the most vulnerable populations,

2:07:53 homeless, foster care, English language learners.

2:07:58 So we’ll have to address in our plan

2:08:00 all of those assurances.

2:08:03 Assurance three is the district must provide

2:08:06 a robust progress monitoring for all students.

2:08:11 So that means we will do our diagnostic,

2:08:15 both elementary and secondary.

2:08:17 We will look at where the student,

2:08:20 if they have any gaps from the delay in school,

2:08:25 from our summer emergency learning as Dr. Sullivan says.

2:08:31 And then we will have to develop innovative

2:08:35 teaching methods to make certain

2:08:37 we’re meeting all those students’ needs.

2:08:40 So we are planning right now to do our diagnostic.

2:08:44 As soon as we can get the doors open

2:08:47 and students rolled into schedules

2:08:49 and teachers established,

2:08:51 we will do a diagnostic comparing where the student was

2:08:55 when they physically left us in March

2:08:58 to where they are when they come in.

2:09:00 And then we will develop lessons

2:09:04 that will not only pick up where they were,

2:09:09 but keep them on track to where they should be.

2:09:13 Assurance four is the district will work with the IEP

2:09:17 to determine any needed services.

2:09:21 We will also work in assurance five

2:09:24 to work with our ELL communities

2:09:26 to identify English language learners who had regression.

2:09:31 So one of the most important parts of this reopening plan,

2:09:37 the Florida Optimal Innovation Reopening Plan,

2:09:41 as they call it, is that we’re meeting the students’ needs.

2:09:46 We are making certain we know where a student is.

2:09:49 We’re providing them a robust educational program

2:09:55 and so that they’re not falling any further behind.

2:09:57 We’re also going to make certain that our students,

2:10:02 as Chris spoke earlier, are students in transition,

2:10:06 are students in greater financial need.

2:10:12 All of our students, we are not gonna,

2:10:14 as our vision says we serve every child with excellence,

2:10:18 we’re going to assure that our work

2:10:22 is that we’re serving every child.

2:10:24 We’re meeting them where they are

2:10:25 and getting them caught back up to where they need to be.

2:10:29 Assurance seven is that we will regularly progress monitor

2:10:34 and we will send that data to the state.

2:10:38 And then assurance seven is we will be collecting

2:10:43 the reopening plans from our charter schools

2:10:47 and they will be vetted through my office for approval

2:10:52 prior to it being part of our district plan.

2:10:56 So there’s been a conversation with our charters already

2:11:00 stating that we will need their plans

2:11:04 and the directions from the state

2:11:08 have changed throughout this week.

2:11:11 There on Monday, we didn’t believe every person,

2:11:16 every district had to do a plan.

2:11:17 If we were going to just open brick and mortar

2:11:20 and not have different options,

2:11:22 they wouldn’t have to do a plan.

2:11:24 Yesterday it became very detailed

2:11:27 in what the template was going to look like.

2:11:30 The template was supposed to be delivered this morning to us.

2:11:33 I have yet to see it, seen it either.

2:11:37 So the template will be coming from the DOE.

2:11:41 Yesterday’s webinar, they went through every assurance

2:11:45 and what the narrative will have to be

2:11:46 in every component of the template.

2:11:50 So I already have a team.

2:11:54 It’s led by Tara Harris and Sherry Bowman from secondary

2:11:58 and Patricia Fontan from ESC.

2:12:01 And the three of them are already working

2:12:04 on making certain that we’re going to meet

2:12:06 the assurances within this DOE requirement.

2:12:09 Like I said, the plan is due July 31st to this day

2:12:15 to include the charter plans.

2:12:18 The other part is the state informed us yesterday

2:12:24 that they will be sending out a survey for every district

2:12:28 on what is your progress monitoring plans,

2:12:31 when the dates, the method,

2:12:34 and then how are you going to look at the data?

2:12:37 So that is coming and that will be due by July 17th,

2:12:41 but the survey hasn’t been received yet.

2:12:45 So let’s talk about elementary options for the fall of 2020.

2:12:54 Of course, based on the DOE requirements,

2:12:56 we are going to offer a full time in person

2:13:00 at all of our schools.

2:13:03 That will be the same brick and mortar

2:13:06 following our standard focus documents

2:13:09 and our pacing guides

2:13:11 and quality instruction in the classroom.

2:13:15 We also offer full-time Brevard virtual school.

2:13:19 That program has been expanded to meet the needs of families

2:13:23 who want to go with the Brevard virtual full-time.

2:13:29 Of course, by state statute,

2:13:30 we also offer a part-time in-person

2:13:34 and a part-time Brevard virtual program.

2:13:37 Very few parents take this.

2:13:39 - Ms. Klein, could you please pull your mic

2:13:40 a little bit closer?

2:13:41 I’m getting notification, not important.

2:13:43 People can’t hear you.

2:13:44 - Oh, dear.

2:13:47 Our Brevard, we always have the opportunity

2:13:51 for a Brevard part-time and Brevard virtual

2:13:55 for part-time and in-person.

2:13:57 Very few parents take advantage of that

2:14:00 because it’s kind of unique.

2:14:03 So suppose you would want to do the 90 minute reading block

2:14:07 for elementary at home through Brevard virtual

2:14:11 and then come to school for math, science

2:14:14 and social studies and your activities or the reverse.

2:14:18 So that is an opportunity

2:14:20 and has been available for some time.

2:14:23 We are excited to offer a e-learning from school at home

2:14:30 and so that will be pending the DOE’s approval

2:14:34 on our plan that we will submit.

2:14:38 So let me talk to you a little bit more

2:14:40 about this full-time e-learning from school at home.

2:14:45 So the vision of this is we know

2:14:49 that there are parents who are like,

2:14:51 I’m just not ready to send my child back to brick and mortar

2:14:56 but I want to be connected to my school.

2:14:59 I want to be part of Viera Elementary

2:15:04 and I want my child to be connected to that school

2:15:08 but I’m not quite ready.

2:15:11 So what we are proposed

2:15:13 and I have an amazing work group of principals

2:15:17 and directors working on this plan.

2:15:22 The teacher will work from the classroom.

2:15:27 The student will work from home

2:15:30 and so we will provide the same robust instruction

2:15:35 that you would receive in your classroom at your home.

2:15:40 It will not be the same that we offered

2:15:43 when we had emergency distant learning.

2:15:47 So this will remain e-learning from home.

2:15:50 So the title will be Viera Elementary e-learning at home.

2:15:56 So every school will be attached to their name.

2:15:59 The student will be attached to the teacher’s roster.

2:16:02 The student will be attached to the school population

2:16:06 and will be part of the school’s FTE.

2:16:11 So I’ve put in here a couple part of our plan.

2:16:17 This is not a complete list

2:16:19 but this is some of the options that we’re looking at.

2:16:23 The parent would consider it in nine week increments.

2:16:29 However, we’re gonna be flexible

2:16:31 because I might think that I’m ready

2:16:34 to be the mom who’s working from home

2:16:36 and have my child at home working on a digital platform

2:16:42 during the structured school day.

2:16:44 And after about a week, I realized that’s not gonna work.

2:16:48 My child needs to go back to brick and mortar.

2:16:51 So I have that flexibility.

2:16:53 I can work with the school principal

2:16:55 to say this is not working.

2:16:57 Another part of this is after we do the progress monitoring

2:17:01 and as we continue monitoring,

2:17:04 if the data doesn’t show that the child

2:17:06 is excelling with this digital platform,

2:17:11 then we as a school and the school district,

2:17:15 we have to have the conference with the parent

2:17:18 to say your child is not being successful in this program.

2:17:23 We need them to look at a different program.

2:17:26 And so that is one of the components of the assurances

2:17:30 that we have to provide to the state

2:17:32 that we will progress monitor the child

2:17:34 and meet the needs of the child

2:17:37 to provide their quality education,

2:17:39 whether it be in brick and mortar or at the home.

2:17:43 We were asking, we will be asking parents to set up a space,

2:17:47 an actual place in their home for this e-learning.

2:17:54 We will ask the parent to have the supplies

2:17:56 and the materials they’re ready for this child to use.

2:18:02 The schedule, it will not be do the work

2:18:06 when you’re ready to do the work.

2:18:08 The teacher will begin class just as if she’s,

2:18:12 well, she will be in the classroom,

2:18:14 that every student will log on.

2:18:17 We’re looking at teams.

2:18:19 And the reason we like the teams approach

2:18:23 for our live instruction

2:18:25 is that we can put a background behind the child.

2:18:28 So we’re not looking into the privacy

2:18:30 of the child’s home and the environment.

2:18:33 So we will have a background that will go in.

2:18:36 So we’re not invading in anyone’s home privacy.

2:18:43 We will ask our parents to help our children get online

2:18:47 and do the daily attendance and be there to support.

2:18:53 We will ask parents to make sure they have the teams

2:18:57 downloaded on their device.

2:19:00 Our teachers are going to plan with their grade levels.

2:19:04 They’re going to provide standard aligned instruction.

2:19:11 The lesson plans will follow the pacing guides

2:19:14 and the standard focus documents

2:19:16 that we have for elementary.

2:19:19 They will ask the teachers that are chosen

2:19:21 or are volunteer to do this work

2:19:24 to attend some online training on e-learning.

2:19:28 And our friends in ET, our Russell’s team, Dawn Bronstein,

2:19:34 oh my, she is amazing.

2:19:37 And so Dawn Bronstein has been working with Tara Harris

2:19:42 and Patricia Fontan on ways that they can deliver

2:19:47 quality instruction using teams, using the blended platform.

2:19:52 You heard Chris say earlier the importance

2:19:55 of blended learning from day one.

2:19:58 So whether they’re doing the e-learning or in the classroom,

2:20:01 that blended learning has to be a component

2:20:04 of every teacher’s world.

2:20:07 A teacher’s gonna have a very scheduled day.

2:20:11 And so the teacher will say, you know,

2:20:14 taking roll at eight o’clock and we’re going into our ELA,

2:20:19 our 90 minute reading block.

2:20:22 And we’re gonna take our recess at 10 o’clock.

2:20:27 And so the teacher will say to the children,

2:20:30 you have a break, take, you know,

2:20:33 you’re gonna go do 20 minutes of activity,

2:20:36 come back, we’re gonna have a schedule for,

2:20:39 you know, you’ll have your lunch schedule.

2:20:43 We’re working with food service to try to do a pickup meal

2:20:47 for families who need a meal.

2:20:51 But that will be part of the scheduled day.

2:20:55 There’ll be a schedule in there for activity, for recess.

2:21:00 But the family will follow a very scheduled day

2:21:05 as if the children were in a brick and mortar classroom,

2:21:08 that they’re gonna be in their homes.

2:21:11 So the day is going to mirror that of the traditional day.

2:21:18 The student will follow the routines.

2:21:23 They will work without distractions,

2:21:26 which is, you know, going to be unique,

2:21:30 but every family will need to set up that,

2:21:32 that it is an environment where it is conducive

2:21:36 to quality learning.

2:21:39 The parent has made the choice to work,

2:21:42 have their child engage in the education from home,

2:21:47 but they’re going to have to set those parameters

2:21:49 so that it’s not a distraction from the learning environment.

2:21:55 And the student is going to have to let the teacher know,

2:21:59 I need your help, I don’t understand this.

2:22:02 And, you know, just as in the classroom,

2:22:06 when we do small groups,

2:22:08 the child may need to do some independent reading

2:22:12 while the teacher pulls virtually

2:22:14 some students around the small group.

2:22:17 So it’s going to be something different, something new,

2:22:23 but we’re really excited to offer this to our students.

2:22:28 We are expecting the student also,

2:22:32 and the parent, to have the flexibility for the diagnostic

2:22:36 that we would create an environment at the school base,

2:22:40 at the brick and mortar base,

2:22:41 where we might bring three children in to do the diagnostic,

2:22:46 or we would provide a secure location at home

2:22:49 to do the diagnostic,

2:22:51 so that we’re getting valid results

2:22:56 and authentic work from the child.

2:22:59 So these are our working in progress

2:23:03 on the elementary school e-learning.

2:23:07 The first next step is exciting for our parents.

2:23:11 So after this workshop today,

2:23:15 we will be sending out a site-specific,

2:23:20 thanks to, again, Russell’s tech team,

2:23:24 who has worked to make a survey

2:23:27 that is school-specific.

2:23:30 All 57 of our elementary schools

2:23:32 have a site-specific survey.

2:23:36 The surveys will go out.

2:23:38 The parent, the first question is,

2:23:40 what is your name, what’s your student’s name?

2:23:43 Do you want to be part of this?

2:23:45 If you do not, it’s just going to,

2:23:48 once you get down through the questions,

2:23:49 if you want to stop, it will let you stop.

2:23:52 Yeah, this was not for me.

2:23:56 But every parent, and we’re gonna run this for two weeks

2:23:59 to see how many parents are actually excited

2:24:03 about this opportunity and want to take advantage of it.

2:24:06 So we will provide this survey this afternoon.

2:24:12 It will go out site-specific.

2:24:14 The principals will be able to monitor it in real time

2:24:20 every one that’s completed for their school.

2:24:23 So then the principal can determine

2:24:26 how many teachers they’re going to need

2:24:29 for the e-learning and how many teachers

2:24:31 they’re gonna need for brick and mortar.

2:24:34 So it’s going to help us with our staffing plan

2:24:37 for our elementary schools.

2:24:41 I said a lot very quickly.

2:24:48 - All right, so I’m getting a nod from Ms. Campbell

2:24:51 that she has some questions on there, Ms. Campbell.

2:24:54 - I do.

2:24:55 - All right.

2:24:56 - And some of this may be preliminary,

2:24:58 and if it is, you can let me know.

2:25:03 Hang on.

2:25:08 So I’m excited for the technology aspect of it.

2:25:13 Thank you for doing the research.

2:25:14 Microsoft Teams in the background,

2:25:15 ‘cause I know that was a concern a lot of people had.

2:25:17 Why aren’t we doing Zoom?

2:25:18 Why can’t we do Zoom during the distance learning?

2:25:20 But it was all about safety and privacy concerns,

2:25:22 and it’s great that we can have that option.

2:25:24 And it’ll still require, I’m sure, right, Mr. Cheatham,

2:25:28 some signing off.

2:25:29 - Yes, and Zoom’s still being considered.

2:25:31 We’re looking at the options.

2:25:32 Zoom has, they’ve done a lot over the past year.

2:25:35 So it’s still being considered, and we’re still looking at it.

2:25:37 - Okay.

2:25:38 - So all these things could still change, but.

2:25:40 - Good, thank you.

2:25:40 And I know you guys were behind that,

2:25:42 but a lot of people didn’t understand why we couldn’t do it.

2:25:44 And it was really about the safety and privacy of students

2:25:46 and their families and anybody else

2:25:48 who might be running around in their underwear at the house.

2:25:50 So, sorry, had to bring a little levity when I can,

2:25:55 because it’s the truth.

2:25:56 - Yeah, we might have seen that.

2:25:58 - Right.

2:26:00 So is there a certain number of students

2:26:02 that are gonna be required to make this happen

2:26:05 at each grade level?

2:26:07 I mean, are you anticipating like one e-learning teacher

2:26:10 at each grade level, or if, I mean, if there’s not,

2:26:12 what’s the magic number to make it happen?

2:26:14 - So we are following class size, regardless of where.

2:26:21 The students are located.

2:26:24 That is why we need this window

2:26:26 of how many are actually interested.

2:26:29 We’ve heard a lot, you know,

2:26:31 and when we read all the comments,

2:26:35 yeah, I want my child back.

2:26:37 The state says it’s about a 50/50

2:26:40 on their global survey of where parents want to be.

2:26:46 So we really need this survey back to decide.

2:26:51 It might be one school that they’re like,

2:26:54 “No, I wanna be back, I wanna be in my building,

2:26:57 “I want my kids to be there.”

2:27:00 Or it might be 75% at another school.

2:27:07 So we have to get some additional information

2:27:10 before we can make the final decision.

2:27:13 I hesitate to do multi-age,

2:27:17 but just like with class size,

2:27:19 occasionally we have to do that.

2:27:21 If we have, we don’t have the allocation

2:27:24 and we have to make adjustments.

2:27:27 That would, that is not my hope.

2:27:31 I hope that we can do it

2:27:35 through a full classroom.

2:27:39 The other thing that’s swirling in my head,

2:27:42 if you just wanna know where my mind is,

2:27:45 is for example, I may have 10 third graders at Myla

2:27:53 and eight third graders at Tropical.

2:27:56 So I haven’t made a full class,

2:27:59 but I could use the one teacher to do eLearning

2:28:04 and those students could be connected to their school,

2:28:08 but it would be, they would be in one class,

2:28:11 one teacher, but can teaching at or two schools.

2:28:16 - And that’s a lot of logistics

2:28:17 and it’ll mean a lot of extra work for the teams.

2:28:19 I hope everybody in the public realizes

2:28:21 how much extra work all of this is,

2:28:23 but to have that option, I’m just,

2:28:26 I’m glad you’re thinking that you have

2:28:27 that swirling in your head,

2:28:28 ‘cause there are some situations

2:28:29 where we might only have 10 third graders at Myla,

2:28:33 but those 10 parents are like,

2:28:35 “This is it and it has to be it.”

2:28:37 And we need to have that option for them.

2:28:39 - Yeah, so lots of things are swirling in my committee

2:28:44 that they are just nonstop with their minds

2:28:50 of what do we need to do?

2:28:54 - Ms. Campbell, Ms. Klein, just if I can interject,

2:28:58 keep in mind we’re on daily webinars with the DOE,

2:29:01 literally one yesterday until four o’clock

2:29:04 related to the emergency order and the expectations

2:29:09 and the requirements around the assurances.

2:29:12 So to Ms. Klein’s point, we need to collect the data.

2:29:18 We have to submit our plan to the state.

2:29:20 And one of the things that they have consistently

2:29:22 communicated is a robust learning consistent environment

2:29:27 that allows for the transition of continuity

2:29:31 of a student from an e-learning

2:29:33 or what the state is calling an innovative learning option

2:29:37 back into a brick and mortar school.

2:29:39 So there may be limitations based on what is approved

2:29:43 from the state with our plan.

2:29:45 So the ability to assign students across schools

2:29:51 is still in great question.

2:29:53 It appears like that may be prohibited or maybe a limitation.

2:30:00 But again, we’re exploring all of the options

2:30:04 and looking at what that could look like.

2:30:07 - Thank you.

2:30:07 And I understand ‘cause we said flexibility.

2:30:11 You did mention about this scenario

2:30:13 where a parent may start e-learning

2:30:15 and then say, no, this is not for me.

2:30:17 But in the expectations, it looked like you were asking

2:30:21 parents to commit to nine week increments.

2:30:25 So I’m just curious if parents kind of wanna trickle in

2:30:28 as the semester starts, where will we,

2:30:31 will those students join a brick and mortar classroom

2:30:33 or what is that potentially gonna look like?

2:30:35 - So just as Dr. Mullins just said the most important thing

2:30:38 and so the assurances changed yesterday

2:30:43 from the time we had this draft

2:30:46 to giving more flexibility to parents to come in and out.

2:30:52 And that’s why it has to be standard aligned,

2:30:55 robust instruction that is the same

2:31:00 that you’re gonna get in the classroom.

2:31:02 We can’t be using a different platform

2:31:07 for one venue that we’re not using for the other

2:31:10 because every child will have this opportunity

2:31:15 and flexibility.

2:31:17 - So we may have students kind of moving in and out.

2:31:20 And I know we’re gonna get to some of that later

2:31:22 when we talk about cases and things like that.

2:31:24 Thank you.

2:31:26 Oh, one real quick question on the assurances.

2:31:29 Do those charter school plans have to come

2:31:31 to the board for approval or that just goes to your office

2:31:33 and then they’re lumped in with–

2:31:35 - So they are not, they do not have to be board approved

2:31:40 but they have to be district vetted

2:31:43 for that our office will make certain

2:31:48 that the assurances have all been met.

2:31:51 And then the COE will be the liaison

2:31:56 if there are concerns with a charter schools plan.

2:32:01 - Thank you.

2:32:06 - Is that a real comment?

2:32:07 - I’ll wait now.

2:32:12 - Quick questions.

2:32:15 Ms. Campbell touched on this

2:32:16 but just for a little more clarification

2:32:18 and you might say we don’t know yet.

2:32:20 So as a teacher is assigned,

2:32:24 I’m concerned about the teacher in this specific role.

2:32:27 She or he has decided or volunteered

2:32:30 to do these at home full-time e-learning

2:32:34 from school at home and students have started coming back.

2:32:40 The other classes are full.

2:32:41 Is there a possibility we will then have a teacher

2:32:44 that’s expected to have a camera on them e-learning at home

2:32:50 and have live students at the same time?

2:32:54 - I hope not.

2:32:56 To be honest, what I believe will happen

2:32:59 is that if enrollments declines on the e-learning,

2:33:06 then we will transition that teacher back

2:33:09 to a brick and mortar classroom.

2:33:13 Again, the assurances yesterday

2:33:19 were a little bit more flexible.

2:33:22 I find it interesting we haven’t received

2:33:24 that template yet today.

2:33:27 So I know that yesterday on the call

2:33:30 they said they were making adjustments to the plan

2:33:34 based on feedback from districts.

2:33:37 So my hope is that as we plan with teachers,

2:33:46 number one, it’s gonna have to be a teacher

2:33:48 who wants to do this but it’s going to be that conversation

2:33:52 with the school principal.

2:33:55 This is the number of students.

2:33:58 Say I’m the principal of Viera Elementary

2:34:02 and I have four fourth grade classes planned

2:34:06 and now I have two full classrooms

2:34:10 that wanna go e-learning.

2:34:12 So I’m gonna sit down with those four teachers

2:34:14 and say here’s what we have.

2:34:16 Now to understand with the e-learning,

2:34:18 these children may go back and forth.

2:34:21 They may say but we’ve got to maintain class size.

2:34:25 So there’s going to be a lot of planning,

2:34:28 a lot of commitment on everyone’s part

2:34:31 and a lot of flexibility that,

2:34:33 and there’s that word again,

2:34:35 the no flexibility right t-shirt coming up.

2:34:39 We are going to have to be very flexible

2:34:42 as we provide quality instruction

2:34:48 but provide it in a method that makes parents feel safe

2:34:54 and comfortable for their child

2:34:56 and make certain that that student is progressing

2:35:01 at the same rate they would be in the classroom.

2:35:04 That is gonna be key, that progress monitoring

2:35:07 and we as a district, we will be monitoring the students

2:35:11 that are not successful and have to have that conversation

2:35:15 with the parent, this is not, your child is not progressing

2:35:18 at the rate they should in this environment.

2:35:23 - Thank you.

2:35:24 So I get that the state has asked us to be flexible

2:35:26 and I agree that that’s important

2:35:28 but I do like where you stated in the presentation

2:35:31 that we would like parents to commit

2:35:33 to at least nine weeks of, and circumstances change

2:35:37 but I’m hoping it’s still fair for us to ask,

2:35:41 ask that of our parents to commit to that,

2:35:45 assuming something could happen

2:35:47 but I think we’re really gonna need that

2:35:50 to be able to do our best to serve our students.

2:35:54 - I agree and that’s why I put it in there first

2:35:57 is I truly believe that we need to be looking at this

2:36:02 at every nine weeks.

2:36:04 The state is actually looking at it for the first semester.

2:36:08 So I think it’s fair and a good task

2:36:15 but we can’t require them to stay in it.

2:36:18 And it might not work, we don’t want our children

2:36:21 to fall behind if it’s not working

2:36:24 and we don’t want a child that’s sitting in brick and mortar

2:36:28 who’s having anxiety or what is it, the trauma thing,

2:36:35 trauma fatigue, so we may need to make adjustments

2:36:43 just like we do in the beginning of the school year,

2:36:45 every year, we have to make adjustments

2:36:49 based on enrollment, projection, class size

2:36:54 but now you have to make them every week.

2:36:58 Okay, a couple of questions,

2:36:59 is the progress monitoring for elementary school,

2:37:01 is that going to be iReady

2:37:02 or is that a combination of iReady and some other things

2:37:05 and hold on, iReady was gracious last spring

2:37:09 to allow us access, full access for little or no cost

2:37:14 if I recall, do we have that same agreement now

2:37:17 or is that good, they’re good graces, has that ended

2:37:21 and what is this going to cost?

2:37:22 - They’re good graces have ended.

2:37:24 But we are fortunate that through CARES Act,

2:37:29 the hefty purchase agreement is in place

2:37:35 is coming your way very soon,

2:37:37 it’s in my inbox to review today

2:37:40 for the purchase of iReady instructional

2:37:44 and diagnostic through CARES Act

2:37:48 because that progress monitoring is a component

2:37:51 of a requirement in the assurances

2:37:56 so it falls very nicely into the CARES Act

2:38:01 so we are purchasing that and adding

2:38:06 on the instructional piece

2:38:07 and that instructional piece will be key

2:38:11 if we have to go to distant learning

2:38:14 or looking at my good colleagues here,

2:38:20 emergency distant learning,

2:38:21 we would still have the same platform.

2:38:24 - Okay, and then one last question

2:38:26 and I think I know the answer,

2:38:28 if we are going to be using Zoom

2:38:30 or something of that nature,

2:38:33 that’s something else that we don’t currently purchase,

2:38:36 Mr. Cheatham, so is that going to be covered

2:38:38 in the CARES Act if we,

2:38:41 we’re obviously going to have to purchase something,

2:38:43 some new plan?

2:38:48 - Sorry, I feel like I’m in front of it,

2:38:50 I’m not even a teacher but when I’ve subbed, right,

2:38:52 the kid is not paying attention,

2:38:53 you asked them the question.

2:38:54 I didn’t mean to do that to you.

2:38:55 - You have a lot of notes.

2:38:56 - I’m sorry, no, I was just asking about

2:38:59 if we have to purchase Zoom or something,

2:39:01 which we are going to have to purchase,

2:39:02 you guys just said, is that coming out of CARES Act funding

2:39:04 and do we have any idea of the expense,

2:39:07 the magnitude of the expense there?

2:39:09 - Yes, we do and it would come out of CARES funding

2:39:12 if we move forward with it, we’re discussing it now.

2:39:14 It’s about $66,000 or so.

2:39:18 - So is it a per user?

2:39:20 Is it a per user thing? - Correct.

2:39:21 - Okay, great, thank you so much, appreciate it.

2:39:23 - Mr. Deskovich, I do want to add on the eLearning survey.

2:39:27 We asked the question, does your child have a device

2:39:32 or do you have internet at home?

2:39:35 Because we also need to find out how many devices,

2:39:39 because our devices are limited,

2:39:42 how many devices we will need to provide

2:39:45 for families who choose the elementary eLearning option.

2:39:49 - So I guess that brings up another question then,

2:39:51 will we be providing like we did in the spring

2:39:54 to those that want to choose to stay home,

2:39:56 will we be providing hotspots and laptops and such?

2:40:00 - And that’s really what we have to figure out.

2:40:02 So when it comes to devices,

2:40:03 we’re still working on getting devices back.

2:40:05 We still have about 2,600 or so out.

2:40:08 - That have not been returned?

2:40:10 - Correct, that’s upwards to like a $1.3 million out still.

2:40:15 - Say that, I can’t, can you talk?

2:40:16 You gotta put your mouth like practically on the microphone.

2:40:19 What was the dollar value of devices

2:40:21 that have not been returned to our district?

2:40:23 - About $1.3 million worth of devices out

2:40:25 and that’s not including the damaged devices

2:40:28 that we have to make sure,

2:40:29 the ones we can get back into rotation

2:40:30 versus the ones that we can’t.

2:40:33 But we’re still working our way through that.

2:40:34 So it’s very difficult to start,

2:40:38 to do a full assessment in calculating

2:40:39 what we can get back out

2:40:41 when we’re still missing that amount.

2:40:43 And naturally we had some device issues before all this hit.

2:40:47 So there’s a lot of variables in that

2:40:49 as we’re trying to determine what we can do,

2:40:52 turning right back around it and doing it

2:40:54 without having these devices back yet.

2:40:56 - Who’s responsible for,

2:40:58 I’m assuming you’re gonna tell me the principals,

2:41:00 but do we have a device collector out there

2:41:02 knocking on doors?

2:41:03 How are we getting, what’s our plan to get these back?

2:41:05 - Ryan Neil, we work with leading and learning

2:41:08 for our principals to actively put some pressure,

2:41:11 I guess is a good word on our families

2:41:14 to get those devices back so that we can,

2:41:16 there’s a lot of cleanup, there’s a lot of re-imaging,

2:41:19 there’s a lot we have to do to those devices

2:41:20 to have them ready for our schools to be in school.

2:41:24 Nevertheless, to get them back out

2:41:25 for people that might need them that way.

2:41:28 And then there’s gonna come the assessment

2:41:29 of if we’re giving devices out,

2:41:31 what would the students that are in the school

2:41:33 have available to do the diagnostic and things like that

2:41:36 that we’re talking about as well?

2:41:37 It’s gonna be difficult.

2:41:40 - Sorry, one more question.

2:41:41 If we find that devices are gone,

2:41:47 lost, no response, not getting it back,

2:41:50 are we just gonna write that as a loss

2:41:52 or are we doing something legally or?

2:41:55 - Through CARES Act funding, there is some funds

2:41:58 to help us kind of rebuild our inventory.

2:42:03 But working through the actual lost devices

2:42:05 or the devices that aren’t returned,

2:42:08 we do have some funds for damaged devices as well.

2:42:11 But we’re gonna have to work through that process.

2:42:13 We had about a week to get them out.

2:42:16 That didn’t allow us to put great processes in place

2:42:20 on the other end of it.

2:42:21 We just wanted to get them in the hands of our students.

2:42:24 And hotspots is a whole nother topic altogether.

2:42:27 That is a very expensive endeavor,

2:42:30 upwards from 60 to $70,000 a month for the district.

2:42:34 So we’re gonna try to use data that we found out

2:42:36 as we did this the first time

2:42:37 to see what we really need moving forward.

2:42:41 But that’s pretty expensive when you think

2:42:43 of over a long period of time, starting the new year.

2:42:46 - Thank you, sir.

2:42:47 - One of the things that we’re asking families to do

2:42:50 is we learned that we had families who asked for devices

2:42:59 who didn’t necessarily need a device.

2:43:02 They just wanted an additional device at home.

2:43:06 So it’s a really a need of a device,

2:43:10 not just a want for another device.

2:43:15 - I don’t know how we can guess,

2:43:19 but I don’t think we can know that.

2:43:21 - No, but we can request that is this really a need

2:43:25 instead of we had some,

2:43:28 we were very flexible in handing out devices.

2:43:32 - Yeah, that’s the first time I’ve heard

2:43:35 that we still have $1.3 million worth of computers

2:43:37 out there in the community.

2:43:38 It feels a little bit like we just donated $1.3 million

2:43:41 maybe to some families that are now happy

2:43:44 that they have a new computer in their house to use.

2:43:46 - I’m hopeful as we start school,

2:43:48 we’re gonna get a good chunk of those back.

2:43:51 It’s data that I’m accessing.

2:43:53 Some schools may not finish,

2:43:54 they may not be finished putting the data in, hopefully.

2:43:57 I have a lot of hopes and dreams in this area.

2:44:00 - Okay, thank you, sir.

2:44:03 Yes, sir.

2:44:05 - What I wanna add that Mr. Cheatham didn’t allude to

2:44:08 is we did have a thorough process

2:44:12 in identifying the student and families

2:44:15 who were checking the device out.

2:44:16 So it’s not a matter of us not knowing who has them.

2:44:20 We do know that.

2:44:21 It’s just the responsiveness over the summer.

2:44:24 Families are in transition.

2:44:25 It’s a difficult time for everyone.

2:44:27 So the responsiveness is what we’re working through now,

2:44:30 but as students and families return to school,

2:44:33 we know exactly who the students are

2:44:35 who have not yet returned the device.

2:44:37 So we have the ability to continue to work with families

2:44:40 to retrieve them.

2:44:41 It’s just–

2:44:42 - Have you ever tried to get all the field trip notes back?

2:44:45 (laughing)

2:44:45 - And that’s just a piece of paper.

2:44:47 So, I mean, I wish us luck.

2:44:50 - Thank you.

2:44:51 - Ms. McDougall, you’ve been incredibly patient.

2:44:53 You have questions, I believe.

2:44:55 - Yes, I do, thank you.

2:44:57 A couple things.

2:44:59 I wanna talk about, and apply.

2:45:02 First, I really like this.

2:45:03 I’m very excited about this learning.

2:45:06 Let’s say somebody’s in the brick and mortar,

2:45:07 and if I heard you right,

2:45:09 and I just wanna make sure I heard you right,

2:45:10 that they say, “Oh my goodness.”

2:45:12 Let’s say, for whatever reason, let’s hope not,

2:45:14 they got sick, they got the flu.

2:45:16 Let’s say, we’ll talk about the flu.

2:45:19 And they’re at home.

2:45:20 Can they jump in virtually, or in an e-learning?

2:45:24 While they’re, let’s say they’re not totally incapacitated,

2:45:27 but they could still work,

2:45:29 they might have a low grade fever.

2:45:31 I mean, is that something that, were that flexible?

2:45:33 Or no?

2:45:35 - So Ms. McDougall, we’re working out plans

2:45:39 for all the different varieties of learning

2:45:44 that are gonna be available.

2:45:45 Is that the right way to say this more?

2:45:48 So, we’re trying to develop procedures

2:45:53 for each type of situation.

2:45:57 - Okay, and so my next question is,

2:45:59 being one of the newer board members,

2:46:03 and I’m curious, so teachers, who will,

2:46:08 and how will, classroom assignments be situated?

2:46:14 Like, who picks, and would we ever consider

2:46:18 possibly giving maybe our more vulnerable teachers,

2:46:22 some that are older, maybe high risk, priority?

2:46:26 I don’t know how that all works.

2:46:28 - So, it’s a building level principal’s decision

2:46:32 of placement of teachers.

2:46:35 And this will be a very open conversation.

2:46:39 For example, if I have four teachers,

2:46:41 and now only need two for brick and mortar,

2:46:44 and two for e-learning in a grade level,

2:46:48 I would hope that the grade level would sit

2:46:51 with the principal and work that out.

2:46:53 So, it’s not going, it’s not additional allocation

2:46:57 to this school.

2:46:58 It’s going to be worked

2:47:00 within the school’s current allocation.

2:47:05 - So, what I’m hearing is, it’s really gonna be

2:47:07 with the team, if it’s a fourth grade team,

2:47:09 or a third grade team, this is what I need,

2:47:11 and then they would work as a team

2:47:13 to decide with the principal.

2:47:15 You know, I’m 65 years old, let’s say, somebody says,

2:47:18 and we probably do have teachers that are,

2:47:20 that dedicated and older,

2:47:22 and they are in that different risk category.

2:47:25 Do you think they would get priority,

2:47:27 or is that something that’s school by school?

2:47:30 - It’s gonna all depend on the teacher’s desire to teach.

2:47:37 Using a remote learning device,

2:47:42 and the teacher’s flexibility on using these tools

2:47:47 that we use to teach,

2:47:50 because it’s definitely gonna be different

2:47:53 than when you’re pulling a small group.

2:47:57 You may be pulling a small, one small group virtually,

2:48:03 and the rest is doing independent work,

2:48:06 but they’re not gonna be there in your classroom

2:48:09 for you to keep eyes on, and monitor what everyone’s doing.

2:48:13 So, it’s going to take a teacher

2:48:16 who desires teaching virtually,

2:48:20 and the skillset to teach virtually.

2:48:25 - Great, thank you, I appreciate that, thanks.

2:48:28 That’s all I had, Ms. Delford.

2:48:29 - Thank you, Ms. McDougall, Mr. Susan.

2:48:33 - Ms. Klein, I wanna say thank you,

2:48:35 because I think that that piece that we’re all discussing

2:48:37 is the most important part for elementary,

2:48:39 for us to keep our kids inside of our schools.

2:48:42 I also think it’s the most important

2:48:44 to make sure that we don’t have a mass exodus

2:48:46 of teachers from the schools to Brevard Virtual,

2:48:49 and then have to have them come back.

2:48:51 I applaud you in all the efforts.

2:48:52 I know that it’s so difficult to put all of this together.

2:48:56 I know that it’s not perfect right there,

2:48:57 because you’re trying to find, at the last minute,

2:48:59 teachers who can do it online,

2:49:02 teachers who are dynamic,

2:49:03 and sometimes those are the people

2:49:04 that are your best inside the brick and mortar classes

2:49:06 are gonna be your best on the virtual.

2:49:08 So there’s just that dynamic that works in there.

2:49:10 So I applaud your efforts, and I wanna say thank you.

2:49:14 The survey, I almost feel like it should be mandatory,

2:49:17 because I don’t know if, and I know, please,

2:49:20 the thing is, is that if we don’t know,

2:49:23 then we don’t know how many teachers we’re going to need,

2:49:28 which means our par numbers are off, which means everything.

2:49:31 So if we know that you’re going to keep your kid at home,

2:49:34 or we know that you’re going to come back,

2:49:35 then we know that we have those numbers,

2:49:38 because the next step of this

2:49:39 that not many of the parents understand,

2:49:41 that they have to take a responsibility here,

2:49:42 because this is very difficult,

2:49:44 and I know that we’re throwing it at them

2:49:46 at the last minute, and I know everybody’s gonna say

2:49:48 that this is, but this is the most important piece,

2:49:51 because if they let you know what you do,

2:49:52 and you can prepare and plan,

2:49:54 then the fidelity of their education is going to be higher,

2:49:57 and I wanted to applaud you

2:49:58 for everything you’re doing there.

2:50:00 - On the page, I’m sorry, I wrote over the top of it, 16,

2:50:04 it references the department,

2:50:06 and I’m guessing that’s the Department of Education, right?

2:50:11 Assurance number six.

2:50:13 - Yes, that’s the department.

2:50:14 - A lot of what I heard was the department is telling us,

2:50:19 this might not, well, how can we help that?

2:50:21 How can we lobby the Department of Education

2:50:24 for the things that we need?

2:50:26 Because to me, this is the most important piece

2:50:29 that we’re looking at to attract our parents

2:50:32 to create the school within the school,

2:50:35 to create all of the bond of the school,

2:50:37 the same education, the same teachers, the same everything.

2:50:39 My daughter, she’s upset because she doesn’t know

2:50:42 which teacher she’s getting next year.

2:50:43 She’s already got which teacher she likes,

2:50:45 because they all know the teachers.

2:50:46 So when they’re telling them that this may not work

2:50:49 because of this, how do we help you?

2:50:52 Is there a way for us, as elected officials,

2:50:54 to help you through this process?

2:50:56 - At this time, I think that the state is trying

2:51:01 to meet the needs of every district,

2:51:06 and they have not, you know, the timeline?

2:51:11 Sure, July 31st is tomorrow in my book,

2:51:15 but I understand the why of why, you know,

2:51:18 they need these plans approved, and then back to us

2:51:23 to say, yes, you can go with your Brevard eLearning

2:51:27 for elementary.

2:51:28 So it is truly, they are very available

2:51:33 to answer questions and support.

2:51:36 You can email Jacob Oliva, and he might personally

2:51:40 just call you right back up, Dr. Sullivan.

2:51:44 So they are, really have been partners.

2:51:48 I’ve seen a huge change in the relationship

2:51:52 with our Department of Education partners in supporting us.

2:51:57 - He was great when he was speaking.

2:51:59 I think the key to hear is that if this is done

2:52:02 to fidelity and strong, I feel that the students,

2:52:05 if we have to shut down a class, if we have to shut down,

2:52:08 to be able to transition back and forth like that

2:52:10 is the most important, and for them not to give us

2:52:13 the approval would be, I think they’ll be there.

2:52:15 I just wanted to know if there’s anything we need

2:52:17 to be doing to help you and support you in this adventure

2:52:19 in that route, please let me know,

2:52:20 because I would be there for you.

2:52:22 - The next thing is, is the charter schools.

2:52:24 Did you say, I think I heard you say there’s a date

2:52:26 that they have to turn those in, those charter school plans?

2:52:29 - Their plan has to be part of our plan.

2:52:32 So when we submit to the state by July 31st,

2:52:37 so we have asked that their plans to be to us a week prior.

2:52:43 So Ms. Archer is working with the charters.

2:52:50 She was on the call to learn all about the assurances

2:52:53 for charter, and she’s working directly with them

2:52:56 and with me on getting those plans.

2:52:59 - Can you email those to us when you get them?

2:53:02 - If I get them, yeah, that’s fine.

2:53:05 - Thank you.

2:53:07 And then I wanted to kind of tell real quick,

2:53:09 there was some conversations about the students

2:53:13 that haven’t turned them in as far as the computers

2:53:15 and stuff like that.

2:53:17 I want everybody to hesitate for a second

2:53:19 before we start saying that there’s kids

2:53:20 that are trying to take this for their own stuff.

2:53:24 We have a lot of students through my mobile feed sites

2:53:26 that I was feeding down in the Melbourne area

2:53:28 in the Ogallic corridor, where kids were at one feed site,

2:53:32 were at another feed site.

2:53:33 And I would ask them, how’d you get here?

2:53:35 And well, my cousin, my aunt, my whatever had to go to work.

2:53:39 So now I’m living with my, right?

2:53:42 So there’s a lot of us chasing down those devices.

2:53:45 So for the public that’s listening, before we decide

2:53:49 that we’re going to start saying

2:53:50 that kids are taking these things,

2:53:52 there’s a very large population of students

2:53:54 that we are still trying to track down

2:53:56 because during this COVID crisis,

2:53:57 there’s individuals that receive those

2:53:59 that may not be living in the same address.

2:54:01 And that’s a very difficult thing.

2:54:02 And the parents that they’re living with

2:54:03 don’t have the contact information

2:54:05 in order to get those back.

2:54:06 So I wanted to just make that known.

2:54:08 The other thing I would like everybody to understand also

2:54:10 when you’re making your decisions

2:54:11 on who gets multiple laptops or who gets a laptop,

2:54:15 we have some families that have three or four kids.

2:54:18 And the bottom line is, is that they can’t share one computer

2:54:21 because otherwise there’s no way for them all to use it.

2:54:23 So there may be need for students

2:54:26 that are inside multiple student families

2:54:29 to sit down and have multiple computers

2:54:31 just based upon the time-lapse.

2:54:32 We were running into a situation

2:54:34 where some students needed,

2:54:36 some parents needed multiple laptops for their children

2:54:40 that were then consolidating with other parents.

2:54:44 And what had happened was that you had six or seven children

2:54:47 trying to use two or three laptops during a day

2:54:50 on multiple platforms with different areas.

2:54:53 So please understand that in some of those

2:54:55 low socioeconomic areas that we have,

2:54:57 there may be a bigger need than just that for the families.

2:55:00 So thank you for that.

2:55:01 And then I wanted to ask this.

2:55:04 It might be something to think about.

2:55:07 Do we have like a parent guide for parents

2:55:10 for the e-use?

2:55:11 Like I’m a parent, right?

2:55:13 My kid’s gonna get ready to do this.

2:55:14 Do we have a, here’s how this X, Y, and Z?

2:55:17 Do we have that?

2:55:18 - That is part of the work that we’re working on.

2:55:21 I believe you received a one page front and back draft

2:55:26 of what the parent’s responsibilities.

2:55:31 And like I said, the work team is still working on

2:55:38 fleshing out all the components, I kind of asked this team

2:55:43 to come together like, I don’t know, eight days ago,

2:55:46 maybe seven, and said, “Hey, what if, and let’s try.”

2:55:52 And they have been amazing in pulling this together.

2:55:56 One of the things I did want to emphasize about the survey,

2:56:00 we’re asking that that be completed for each child.

2:56:05 So if you have multiple children,

2:56:07 you’ll need to do one of those for each child in your home.

2:56:11 - And needs to be driven home, the fact that we are,

2:56:14 we literally have teachers who are waiting to find out

2:56:18 what their decisions are gonna be

2:56:19 at their school-based location based upon those surveys.

2:56:22 And it behooves those teachers or those parents

2:56:24 to fill those out immediately so that we can start preparing

2:56:27 for their kid’s education.

2:56:28 That is a massive thing.

2:56:29 So anything I can do to help you there.

2:56:31 And so you said that we’ll have some kind of a parent guide

2:56:33 for these parents that may not be the best at their thing.

2:56:37 - Okay.

2:56:37 And I think that I’ll get back into the COVID,

2:56:40 the stuff internally later on.

2:56:42 So I’m good.

2:56:43 - Can I clarify on the-

2:56:44 - Do we have an additional question?

2:56:46 - Can I clarify on the devices?

2:56:47 I didn’t mean that to be negative.

2:56:49 It was just, I just wanted it to be clear.

2:56:50 It’s hard for us to do an assessment

2:56:52 with that many devices still out.

2:56:54 And then not having those devices in school.

2:56:56 Sometimes those devices are used by 10, 15 students

2:56:58 through the course of a day.

2:56:59 So not having it at the school,

2:57:01 it’s gonna affect a lot more students

2:57:03 that are actually in the school.

2:57:04 - And you guys are amazing, Russell,

2:57:06 for all the work that you did during that transition.

2:57:09 Rapidly deploying, what was it, 15,000 devices?

2:57:12 And how many hotspots?

2:57:15 Yeah, in that amount of time, it was amazing.

2:57:18 So thank you.

2:57:20 - Ms. McDougall?

2:57:23 - About the survey.

2:57:23 Ms. Klein, I wanna just kind of mention,

2:57:26 so this survey is gonna be on our webpage,

2:57:30 or is that, how is that gonna be sent out?

2:57:32 ‘Cause I get concerned if it’s all online,

2:57:35 that some of my communities,

2:57:38 some of my parents may not have access.

2:57:40 And I’m assuming it’s going to be also in Spanish.

2:57:45 I just wanna make sure that

2:57:48 some of my meatier communities have access to that,

2:57:54 and they understand that.

2:57:55 I get concerned if it’s just gonna be online.

2:57:59 - So Ms. McDougall, the survey will be sent out

2:58:03 by each school, so it’ll be sent out

2:58:08 ‘cause there’s site-specific surveys.

2:58:11 We can make the survey available paper or pencil

2:58:15 if they wanna make an appointment

2:58:17 to come by the school and pick those up.

2:58:19 But it will go out through all the communication tools

2:58:22 that we currently have for families.

2:58:25 So the Blackboard, through email,

2:58:30 we’re going to do a mass distribution of that

2:58:34 at the conclusion of today.

2:58:36 Also, I’ve talked with Nikki Hensley,

2:58:39 and Nikki’s gonna do a lot of advertisement

2:58:42 about this on Facebook.

2:58:44 But to give us accurate information,

2:58:47 it has to be site-specific.

2:58:50 And that way, the principal knows exactly

2:58:54 who’s filling it out

2:58:55 and how it’s gonna impact their allocations.

2:59:00 - So I mean, I get that it’s site-specific,

2:59:03 and which leads me to some of my sites.

2:59:06 Some of my sites, this may sound odd,

2:59:09 but would we even go to the home

2:59:12 if we don’t hear from them?

2:59:15 I’m just, I know this COVID is,

2:59:17 but if we wear masks and we’re protected,

2:59:20 would we ever do something like that?

2:59:22 - So it will go to cell phones as well.

2:59:26 So anyone with a cell phone can complete this survey

2:59:30 via a cell phone.

2:59:31 And our principals,

2:59:38 - They’re amazing.

2:59:40 - I can’t even think of a word

2:59:42 to describe how amazing our principals are.

2:59:46 They have gone,

2:59:49 they are working like,

2:59:55 makes me emotional.

2:59:58 They’re amazing.

2:59:59 And they’re doing that unbelievable work

3:00:02 to reach every family.

3:00:04 So they are still in all of this,

3:00:11 going out to homes, visiting families,

3:00:15 checking on kids that they’re worried about,

3:00:18 checking on families they just haven’t heard from.

3:00:23 Our principals haven’t taken a break.

3:00:27 And I’m very proud of them.

3:00:32 - As you should be, I think we’re very blessed

3:00:35 to have the principals that we do have.

3:00:37 So thank you, Ms. Klein.

3:00:41 - Mr. Susan.

3:00:43 - That’s all I have.

3:00:44 - Sorry, Ms. McDougall.

3:00:45 So are we doing e-learning for pre-K through sixth,

3:00:51 or is it just going to be K through six?

3:00:53 How’s that working as pre-K?

3:00:54 - I knew you were going to bring up something for pre-K.

3:00:58 So yesterday on the webinar,

3:01:04 there was a question about what about pre-K for e-learning?

3:01:09 And the answer is the Office of Early Learning

3:01:15 will provide us additional information at a later time.

3:01:23 - Do we know what time that later time is?

3:01:25 - No, Mr. Colucci and I have had several conversations

3:01:29 about our VPK and our early head starts

3:01:36 and all those programs.

3:01:37 And so we’re waiting on additional information

3:01:41 from the Office of Early Learning.

3:01:45 - Do you have an address for that place

3:01:46 so I can go visit them?

3:01:48 - Yes, they’re in Tallahassee.

3:01:50 - There’s a local one here too.

3:01:52 - But the local is only a,

3:01:56 that’s our Office of Early Learning

3:01:58 who gets their direction of the Office of Early Learning

3:02:02 out of Tallahassee.

3:02:05 - Okay.

3:02:07 And then sixth grade, is it the same curriculum

3:02:12 in elementary school that’s not being moved up

3:02:14 to middle school because of the way we are,

3:02:17 the district it has still in elementary school, right?

3:02:21 - Our curriculum for sixth grade is…

3:02:24 - Elementary right now.

3:02:26 - But it’s the sixth grade standards.

3:02:28 - Right, I’m just making sure

3:02:30 that there’s nothing gonna happen.

3:02:31 Okay, all right, that’s it, thank you.

3:02:35 - All right.

3:02:39 Ms. Klein, what happens if our charter schools

3:02:41 don’t submit their plans to you?

3:02:47 - That will be a personal phone call first

3:02:49 to say where are your plans?

3:02:54 So I’m working through this charter school processes

3:03:01 and the communication plan with them.

3:03:06 Ms. Archer is working on the communication with them.

3:03:11 If in fact we do not get a plan from them,

3:03:17 that’s when the DOE will get involved as the liaison.

3:03:23 The DOE said yesterday that they don’t want us to be the,

3:03:33 they want us to have conversation

3:03:34 and work with charter schools on their plan,

3:03:36 but if it becomes something

3:03:38 that they’re not turning in things,

3:03:41 they want us to contact the DOE

3:03:43 and let them be the liaison if we can’t move them forward.

3:03:47 - So will we still be able to turn in our plan

3:03:50 if we don’t have all of the charter school plans?

3:03:52 Have they–

3:03:54 - My understanding from yesterday’s call is yes,

3:03:57 we will turn in what we have

3:04:01 before the July 31st deadline.

3:04:04 - Okay, and then I feel like there’s an elephant in the room

3:04:10 that just needs to be addressed,

3:04:12 and that is Assurance 1.

3:04:16 And that is that we will assure

3:04:20 that all brick and mortar schools are open in August,

3:04:21 at least five days per week for all students.

3:04:23 And I know there’s been a lot of media coverage

3:04:27 that some of our friends to the south are,

3:04:31 I think the initial one was Broward came out and said,

3:04:34 “We are not going back to brick and mortar schools,”

3:04:36 but I think he has backtracked a little bit since then.

3:04:40 I think there was a Palm Beach that came out.

3:04:42 And obviously our constituents, or at least my constituents,

3:04:47 I don’t know if everyone’s hearing from everyone,

3:04:48 but there are lots of questions

3:04:50 as to why Broward does not have the option

3:04:53 to not go back to brick and mortar right now

3:04:55 and continue just our online learning.

3:05:01 Certainly from the board member perspective,

3:05:03 I think there are some elements there,

3:05:05 but I didn’t know if anyone wanted to speak to that.

3:05:09 I feel like it’s kind of an answer that we owe our community

3:05:13 so that they can understand why what we’re dealing with

3:05:15 might not be the same as what they’re seeing

3:05:17 in some of those media stories.

3:05:20 - Yeah, so I can address or try to respond to that.

3:05:23 In our conversations with the Department of Education

3:05:26 and their direction, the language,

3:05:29 the expectations have been very clear

3:05:31 for districts moving towards reopening brick and mortar.

3:05:35 I think we have to keep in mind that South Florida

3:05:37 has been in a different place,

3:05:40 in a different circumstance all along.

3:05:43 They were closed before other places were across the state.

3:05:47 They are in a different place and stage

3:05:49 in the governor’s reopening plan.

3:05:52 The DOE has, in all of the conversations

3:05:55 beginning with the session on Monday,

3:05:57 which was the first webinar received,

3:06:00 acknowledged that South Florida districts

3:06:02 were being given different considerations

3:06:06 than other places across the state.

3:06:07 And I would suggest we are one of the other places

3:06:11 across the state in implementing the emergency order

3:06:14 from the Commissioner of Education.

3:06:16 So we have not been given that place

3:06:20 to give other considerations at this time.

3:06:22 And we’ve been literally on webinars every day

3:06:26 since Monday with the DOE going through the expectations

3:06:30 and going through the plan and expectations and so on.

3:06:34 - Thank you, Dr. Mullen.

3:06:39 Ms. Klein, will the full-time e-learning from school at home

3:06:43 also encompass our choice schools?

3:06:46 - Yes.

3:06:47 - So even regardless of what elementary school

3:06:49 they’re going to, that option should be available.

3:06:52 - Ah, 57 elementary schools.

3:06:54 - Thank you.

3:06:56 And with regard to our full-time in-person,

3:07:00 and I’m guessing this will,

3:07:02 I know you said that we have to meet class size amendment.

3:07:05 Will we be decreasing the number of students

3:07:08 that we are putting into a classroom,

3:07:09 or do you feel confident at this point

3:07:13 that we can, within class size amendment,

3:07:16 maintain six-foot social distancing in the classrooms?

3:07:21 Do we need to cap our numbers, I guess,

3:07:23 is the easiest way to ask that.

3:07:25 - So we’re gonna get deeper into the classes,

3:07:29 the layout of the classrooms,

3:07:31 but, and from the American Pediatric Association,

3:07:36 the six-foot is not necessarily the requirement

3:07:40 for in-classroom, it’s more of a three-foot.

3:07:43 So we are working to that to maximize the classroom

3:07:49 as much as we can, but maintaining class size

3:07:53 and maintaining the social distancing

3:07:56 that we can within the classroom.

3:08:00 And that’s the same thing with the bus,

3:08:02 having to do a seat on the bus,

3:08:05 we’re gonna get more into transportation here

3:08:07 in a little bit.

3:08:10 - All right, thank you.

3:08:13 Any other board members have any questions

3:08:15 on this particular section before we move on to our next?

3:08:19 - If I could just clarify, I had forgotten about that.

3:08:22 South Florida, you said was in a different,

3:08:24 I don’t know if they call them stage or phase,

3:08:25 I can’t remember, but are they still in phase one,

3:08:29 and the rest of us are in phase two, right?

3:08:31 Is that the, or stage? - That’s my understanding.

3:08:32 - Okay, that’s it, thanks, Dr. Melitz.

3:08:36 - All right, then I believe we are moving on to Dr. Sullivan.

3:08:41 - Yes, thank you.

3:08:42 I’m happy to talk about our secondary options.

3:08:45 We’re fortunate in Brevard that we already have

3:08:48 a rather robust array of options,

3:08:51 but in all fairness to our parents,

3:08:54 who may be surprised from some of these options,

3:08:56 we haven’t always amplified the use of the flexibility

3:09:01 that we currently have.

3:09:03 And so there are a lot of options for our students

3:09:06 and their parents, and as opposed to in other years

3:09:10 where we might have been really like reserved

3:09:12 and controlling about flexibility,

3:09:15 we’re throwing caution to the wind

3:09:16 and supporting flexibility.

3:09:18 So first, of course, as mentioned,

3:09:20 the DOE required full-time in-person at school.

3:09:24 I do wanna flip back to the assurances rather quickly.

3:09:29 The assurances are necessary before the department

3:09:36 will consider approving an alternate option.

3:09:40 And so they’re literally hierarchical

3:09:44 in that if you don’t do this, we won’t approve that.

3:09:47 And so I just wanted to clarify that.

3:09:50 So your creative, or they’re using the term innovative–

3:09:53 - Innovative. - option won’t be approved

3:09:55 unless you can guarantee all these things.

3:09:57 So just a little point of clarification there.

3:09:59 - Thank you.

3:10:00 - Full-time Brevard virtual school, as we know, is an option.

3:10:05 A couple of questions that continue to come up.

3:10:07 Our virtual school curriculum

3:10:09 is Florida virtual school curriculum

3:10:12 run by Brevard Public Schools teachers

3:10:15 within a Brevard Public School.

3:10:18 And so students who do full-time Brevard virtual school

3:10:22 are full-time students of a school,

3:10:24 an accredited school on a degree-earning pathway.

3:10:28 Something that there’s a lot of questions about

3:10:31 with Brevard virtual school

3:10:32 and some potentially misinformation or misinterpretation

3:10:35 of how the information is presented

3:10:38 is it is a smooth transition

3:10:40 for a Brevard virtual full-time student

3:10:43 back into the regular school.

3:10:46 There’s a little misinformation out there

3:10:48 that it has to be all or nothing at the semester,

3:10:51 and that’s true for part-time, but not full-time.

3:10:55 Full-time Brevard virtual students

3:10:57 do meet instructional minutes.

3:10:59 So if a parent did full-time for a month

3:11:03 and then wanted to return into the school,

3:11:05 they would get transfer grades and returned into the school,

3:11:09 just like a student transitioning

3:11:10 between two of our standard schools.

3:11:13 And there seemed to be a lot of confusion around that,

3:11:15 so I thought I’d emphasize that.

3:11:17 Any parent with any questions

3:11:19 regarding Brevard virtual school

3:11:21 should absolutely call the school.

3:11:23 They are returning every single call.

3:11:25 They are on a couple days delay

3:11:27 because they are experiencing quite a number of interests,

3:11:30 which we’re thrilled about, but they will get back to you.

3:11:33 They have an excellent FAQ on their website as well,

3:11:36 and we certainly encourage parents to take a look at that.

3:11:40 Part-time in-person and part-time Brevard virtual school

3:11:44 is a very, very common occurrence around our district.

3:11:47 It is not uncommon for a student

3:11:49 to take one or two classes at their home school

3:11:52 and then choose the rest of their day to be virtual school.

3:11:55 We work with that all the time.

3:11:57 Again, we may not have encouraged it,

3:12:01 but now, of course, we’re gonna be more encouraging

3:12:04 of that option.

3:12:05 So for example, a student who really struggles in math

3:12:09 that really wants that person

3:12:11 being able to help ask questions,

3:12:14 perhaps their IEP is focusing on some processing deficits

3:12:17 and related to math, they really wanna have

3:12:19 that instructional assistant help them,

3:12:22 they might come into campus, take one math class,

3:12:25 and then do the rest of their virtual school at home

3:12:27 so the parent can choose to minimize their child’s contact

3:12:33 beyond full-time, provided they’re still meeting

3:12:36 a full caseload of classes,

3:12:38 and we’ll talk a little bit more about that as well.

3:12:40 It’s not uncommon for students to do virtual class

3:12:44 and then come in sixth or seventh period

3:12:47 and do a couple of in-person classes.

3:12:50 It’s very common.

3:12:51 It often happens with ROTC or some of those classes

3:12:54 that those parents often wanna engage in.

3:12:57 So right now, without approval from the state,

3:13:00 without waiting on additional information,

3:13:02 our parents can choose that combination that suits them.

3:13:07 If they take at least one class at the home school,

3:13:12 they are still attached to that home school.

3:13:15 And so for example, if a student from Merritt Island

3:13:19 High School is concerned about a lot of access,

3:13:24 they might choose one course on campus

3:13:26 attached to Merritt Island,

3:13:28 and then the other courses virtual.

3:13:31 Conversely, that class on campus,

3:13:34 dual enrollment also counts.

3:13:37 So picture a child who might choose

3:13:40 one dual enrollment class.

3:13:42 These would be students that are eligible from 10th, 11th,

3:13:45 and 12th grade, one dual enrollment class,

3:13:48 and maybe they choose it virtual.

3:13:51 And then they choose the rest of their case also virtual.

3:13:56 They are still attached to Merritt Island High School.

3:13:59 And so there is a lot of flexibility there,

3:14:03 particularly in 10th and 11th and 12th grade

3:14:05 for our students who can also access dual enrollment.

3:14:08 So a student could be off campus all day

3:14:11 from 10th grade on who qualify for dual enrollment

3:14:14 and have an integrated experience

3:14:16 and still be attached to their original school.

3:14:19 And so again, that may not have always been clear

3:14:22 to our families that that has always been available,

3:14:25 but we wanna make certain now especially that they know it.

3:14:29 We’ve spoken to all of our school principals

3:14:31 and assistant principals, and have asked them

3:14:33 to speak with their guidance counselors

3:14:36 and make sure that every family

3:14:38 that wants to discuss their personal situation

3:14:41 is given all the combinations that are eligible to them,

3:14:45 not necessarily just the ones we would advise.

3:14:48 We’re gonna still give our advice,

3:14:50 but we’re gonna of course let them know

3:14:52 everything that’s available to them.

3:14:54 And so that final bullet there of course

3:14:56 mentioned dual enrollment.

3:14:57 So some of our seniors are eligible

3:15:01 to be full-time dual enrollment right now.

3:15:05 They could do an early admissions year

3:15:07 through Eastern Florida, begin their college career

3:15:09 or end their college career depending on how far they are.

3:15:13 We did have an earlier deadline for early admissions,

3:15:17 but through our great partnership with Eastern Florida,

3:15:19 they’ve agreed to continue to accept students

3:15:22 in early admissions who qualify.

3:15:25 So maybe a parent right now originally thought,

3:15:28 no, I still want my child on campus some

3:15:30 even though they qualify for early admissions.

3:15:33 That answer may have changed.

3:15:34 Eastern Florida has been very flexible

3:15:37 and they’re gonna continue to accept those students.

3:15:40 And so that combination of dual enrollment,

3:15:44 the combination of Brevard Virtual School

3:15:48 and in-person class gives our parents a really like,

3:15:53 there’s a math formula I’m sure that tells me

3:15:56 how many iterations there are,

3:15:59 but I know it involves like an exclamation mark,

3:16:01 but that’s all I know.

3:16:02 And so, I’m social science teacher, sorry.

3:16:04 So we wanna encourage that.

3:16:07 We wanna encourage the parent that wants to make it work,

3:16:09 maybe still has work obligations,

3:16:11 but doesn’t want their child there all day.

3:16:14 And so we will make that abundantly clear.

3:16:17 In the last couple of days,

3:16:18 we’ve really amplified our information to our counselors.

3:16:21 We’ve given our school counselors additional summer hours

3:16:24 that was in one of the slides there,

3:16:27 but I don’t think we spoke to it through CARES Act again.

3:16:31 I know how to get blood out of a stone.

3:16:32 So we’ve given our school counselors additional hours

3:16:36 to be accessible for our families.

3:16:38 And in elementary school,

3:16:39 we also added assistant principal hours

3:16:41 because they normally don’t even have assistant principals

3:16:43 in the summer.

3:16:44 So we looked at the programs

3:16:46 where our parents need more access.

3:16:49 So I’m gonna move on to the next page,

3:16:52 which is gonna be new for people to see and think about.

3:16:58 Seven classes a day has weighed very heavily on me.

3:17:02 It is a situation that offers a lot of transition,

3:17:09 a lot of student contact, student to student,

3:17:13 student to teacher, teacher to student,

3:17:15 every combination thereof.

3:17:18 It generally creates a really like exciting, robust,

3:17:22 interesting, interactive day.

3:17:24 But again, in thinking about the safety

3:17:26 of our students first,

3:17:28 I had to put aside some other concerns.

3:17:31 So every situation we face,

3:17:33 I had to weigh what makes more sense

3:17:35 in that given situation.

3:17:37 So at this point, I’ve asked all secondary schools

3:17:40 to examine the feasibility of a block schedule

3:17:44 for the 2020-2021 school year

3:17:47 under our current staffing plan.

3:17:49 And I wanna explain

3:17:50 what that single powerful statement means.

3:17:54 One, right now we’re simply examining the feasibility.

3:17:57 I’m asking the schools to see if they can pull this off

3:18:02 with their current staffing plans.

3:18:05 Every time we talk about less students in a class,

3:18:09 more students in a class,

3:18:10 we’re talking about teachers and every teacher,

3:18:13 we’re talking about a million dollars, right?

3:18:14 So everything comes with a cost.

3:18:17 Block schedule is typically significantly more expensive

3:18:21 than a six out of seven period.

3:18:23 It is less economy of teacher units,

3:18:27 and so therefore it requires more teacher units.

3:18:30 However, with the flexibilities that we have in high school,

3:18:35 we are anticipating a significant portion of students

3:18:40 not requiring all eight blocks on campus.

3:18:44 And so for example,

3:18:45 if a school already has several hundred students

3:18:48 who do dual enrollment,

3:18:50 several hundred students who regularly engage in virtual

3:18:53 school, I’ll give you an example.

3:18:55 Last year, we did well over 5,000

3:19:00 part-time virtual school courses,

3:19:03 and that was pre-pandemic.

3:19:06 And so if a school has students

3:19:08 that are going to still be a part of that school,

3:19:12 but opt out of needing all blocks,

3:19:15 that allows the school some flexibility

3:19:17 in potentially filling all their needs cost neutral.

3:19:22 It’s a big, bold statement that I’m making,

3:19:24 and I can’t make any guarantees at this point.

3:19:31 The value of minimizing the risk to the students,

3:19:35 to me, is worth attempting that.

3:19:37 I want to be clear,

3:19:38 it’s on the backs of our administrators right now.

3:19:40 This was a tough conversation,

3:19:42 asking them to re-look at

3:19:44 what is one of the single biggest jobs they do in the summer.

3:19:49 Like Jane, our principals are unbelievable.

3:19:53 The work they’ve done is indescribable.

3:19:55 Our teachers, our custodians,

3:19:58 every person a part of the school operation

3:20:00 has been impacted and their job has doubled.

3:20:02 I’m just gonna say it, I believe it’s at least doubled.

3:20:05 And this is no small ask,

3:20:11 but I feel strongly about minimizing impact

3:20:15 to the safety of our faculty and our staff.

3:20:19 This is a recommendation only for 2021,

3:20:23 because again, it is typically a very costly recommendation

3:20:26 that would require all kinds of meetings

3:20:29 and budgets and discussion.

3:20:31 And that’s why we want to be clear

3:20:33 that this is a single year recommendation.

3:20:37 The configuration I’m most concerned about is middle school.

3:20:40 Our middle schools will likely not have as many students

3:20:45 taking advantage of the flexibility

3:20:47 that our high schools are traditionally used to.

3:20:49 Although there’s no reason why in a middle school,

3:20:52 a student could take a math block, an English block,

3:20:58 go home for lunch, and then two virtual classes.

3:21:01 We would certainly encourage our middle schools

3:21:04 to start looking at flexibility

3:21:06 that’s already offered more robustly.

3:21:09 And we are gonna, again, be more vocal

3:21:11 about those flexibilities that are out there.

3:21:14 But given we expect less students

3:21:17 to opt out of in-person blocks,

3:21:20 we know there might be a financial impact to middle schools,

3:21:23 which is why we are at this point simply examining it.

3:21:28 If I were a guessing person, and I don’t like to guess,

3:21:32 I would suspect that our traditional 11 middle schools

3:21:37 might need an extra teaching unit in order to make it work.

3:21:44 And so, again, that’s simply a guess at this point.

3:21:46 There’s a lot that goes into it,

3:21:48 and parents choosing alternate options is part of the story.

3:21:51 Before I go on, I realize I left something

3:21:54 out of Eastern Florida.

3:21:57 Eastern Florida has just released their fall schedule,

3:22:00 and their schedule is full of a variety of options

3:22:05 of online, synchronous and asynchronous,

3:22:08 hybrid and in-person.

3:22:10 So normally we would have done some high school scheduling

3:22:13 by now with fall dual enrollment,

3:22:16 but because they too are facing the COVID crisis,

3:22:19 we actually haven’t done that yet.

3:22:21 So we’re right at a sweet spot in time

3:22:23 on making this decision,

3:22:25 because the schedules haven’t been created yet.

3:22:28 There are also more students eligible

3:22:30 for dual enrollment classes

3:22:31 than typically take advantage of it.

3:22:34 We have the 3.0 standard requirement

3:22:36 for our associates of art students,

3:22:39 but there’s additional students

3:22:41 that could take advantage of it with a 2.5,

3:22:43 and even students with a 2.0

3:22:45 that are interested in a vocational certificate.

3:22:48 Although we’ve tried to amplify

3:22:51 the communication around those options,

3:22:52 I find that a lot of families still don’t understand

3:22:55 that even though their student might not meet

3:22:58 what they’ve imagined

3:22:59 as the traditional dual enrollment student,

3:23:02 the dual enrollment student can be any kind of student

3:23:05 interested in the offerings of Eastern Florida,

3:23:07 and we encourage people to ask

3:23:09 if their student can meet those requirements,

3:23:11 and all of that’s outlined on our dual enrollment pages.

3:23:14 So that said, I’d like to everybody take a look

3:23:17 at the information that has swayed me

3:23:21 to push our already overworked administrators

3:23:24 to take the time out to look at this.

3:23:26 Our students would enroll

3:23:27 in four 90-minute classes per semester.

3:23:31 And so they would be taking a year-long course

3:23:34 within a semester.

3:23:37 What that means is at the end of the school year,

3:23:39 they will have had actually eight opportunities

3:23:42 for a course versus seven.

3:23:44 And given the challenges that many of our students faced

3:23:48 or the desires that students have to accelerate,

3:23:51 an eighth block gives them that opportunity.

3:23:54 And so perhaps they need to retake a course

3:23:57 that they were not successful in.

3:23:59 It gives them that flexibility.

3:24:01 Perhaps they wanna add a learning strategies course

3:24:03 that they couldn’t put in their schedule before.

3:24:06 It gives them that flexibility.

3:24:08 Or a student that might want to accelerate

3:24:11 to graduate early also has that flexibility

3:24:14 with an additional block.

3:24:17 They’d have decreased exposure.

3:24:18 We’re cutting their exposure in half.

3:24:20 We’re cutting class change in half.

3:24:22 That’s a big number for me

3:24:24 in how we’re decreasing contact.

3:24:28 Smoother transition when distance learning

3:24:30 becomes necessary.

3:24:31 And I didn’t say if, I said when.

3:24:35 For common language, we are choosing distance learning

3:24:40 to represent learning when students

3:24:43 who have opted for a traditional experience

3:24:46 have an interruption in that

3:24:48 because of COVID-related circumstance.

3:24:51 Could be they themselves test positive or fragile,

3:24:56 somebody in their class.

3:24:57 We may need, the school may need to close for three days,

3:25:00 two weeks, all those iterations that we expect to be coming,

3:25:04 we expect to sometimes be short

3:25:06 or longer term interruptions.

3:25:08 All those students of course will be served

3:25:10 through distance learning with their regular teacher

3:25:12 like they’ve done.

3:25:14 But now we have so many more skills at our disposal.

3:25:17 So a student, one of the complaints we heard of course

3:25:20 is seven classes, that’s a lot.

3:25:22 And so four teachers, four classes,

3:25:25 a much smoother transition in and out in that circumstance.

3:25:30 It also allows for extended class time

3:25:32 for those that require more protocols

3:25:34 such as CTE, music, science lab and other hands-on classes.

3:25:41 I know our Career and Tech Education Department

3:25:43 when they heard we were looking at this,

3:25:45 they were incredibly excited.

3:25:47 That is a dream schedule for a Career and Tech Ed program.

3:25:50 Block scheduling is not uncommon at all

3:25:53 in Career and Tech Ed because of the time.

3:25:55 But beyond having their kids

3:25:57 for that extended period of time,

3:25:59 it allows for more cleaning protocols.

3:26:01 It also allows for credentials and courses

3:26:05 to be completed in a semester

3:26:07 and potentially allowing more students

3:26:10 to do pre-apprenticeships or internships in the spring

3:26:14 and allows us some flexibility there.

3:26:16 As we look at our teachers,

3:26:22 my heart is heavy for how our teachers

3:26:25 are going to be expected to be magicians.

3:26:29 And they are in all reality,

3:26:35 they are going to have their class loads of students.

3:26:38 Within that class loads,

3:26:40 they’re gonna have little Tina

3:26:41 that was on quarantine yesterday,

3:26:44 Sally whose grandmother is now sick

3:26:46 and now is this level of quarantine.

3:26:48 And since those are standard students in their class,

3:26:51 they’re gonna have to continue to support them

3:26:54 and juggle a little with distance learning.

3:26:56 Sometimes for some students,

3:26:58 sometimes for their whole class,

3:26:59 they themselves may get ill.

3:27:01 And to cut them from six sections of 25 students

3:27:08 for that juggling act to three blocks of intense support

3:27:14 for half the number of students,

3:27:17 I think is really important.

3:27:19 More likely for a teacher to be able to manage that

3:27:22 within that 90 minute block.

3:27:24 But more importantly,

3:27:25 it gives those teachers a 90 minute planning period.

3:27:29 And 90 minute planning period is still not enough

3:27:32 for what our teachers do,

3:27:34 but it allows more time for that juggling

3:27:36 of those students who are ill,

3:27:38 them continuing to fine tune their skills

3:27:41 in blended learning and instruction.

3:27:44 And so it gives them half those total number of students

3:27:48 and an increased amount of time for planning,

3:27:51 which again is still a fraction of the time

3:27:53 that our teachers spend on trying to meet the needs

3:27:56 of all their students.

3:27:58 It cuts the teacher’s exposure in half.

3:28:01 That’s a big number.

3:28:02 Again, this is a big lift, a big ask

3:28:04 to try to pull this off cost neutral in our schools.

3:28:07 But cutting their exposure in half

3:28:10 is something that I can’t ignore.

3:28:13 Changes average total number of students

3:28:15 a teacher’s managing.

3:28:16 And why is this important?

3:28:19 I’m just using average numbers.

3:28:22 Most teachers have about 150 total students.

3:28:25 That means a lot of teachers have large numbers

3:28:28 of students with IEPs,

3:28:30 large numbers of students with health plans,

3:28:31 large numbers of students with 504s,

3:28:34 and all of the undocumented, unwritten plans,

3:28:37 special unique needs of their kids.

3:28:39 And they have quick, rapid fire chances

3:28:42 to impact them in class and then move on to the next.

3:28:45 In a block scheduling,

3:28:46 their total would be about 75 students,

3:28:49 meaning, again, minimizing all those percentages.

3:28:53 And given all the other juggles

3:28:54 we’re asking of the teachers, we think it’s important.

3:28:57 And for our ESC support facilitators,

3:29:00 instructional assistants, again,

3:29:02 rotation fewer in between classes.

3:29:05 If you look at the next page,

3:29:06 I just identified a few other opportunities and challenges.

3:29:10 Again, fewer class transitions,

3:29:13 less students in a space throughout the day,

3:29:16 thus, less shared materials.

3:29:18 And of course, more opportunities to accelerate,

3:29:22 allowing for more mid-year graduates.

3:29:25 Lot of reasons are students who accelerate

3:29:27 are in school for the entire full senior year

3:29:30 is English 4, and this would allow a student

3:29:33 to complete it first semester if they chose,

3:29:35 and to work towards it,

3:29:37 maybe go early admission second semester,

3:29:40 or maybe take that diploma and begin their careers

3:29:43 in productivity in our community.

3:29:47 There are some challenges.

3:29:49 Hurricanes, we haven’t even mentioned the H word.

3:29:54 We haven’t mentioned the fact that every so often

3:29:59 we’re closing schools for the H word,

3:30:01 and that’s a double in instructional minutes

3:30:04 when we have to track instructional minutes.

3:30:08 Obviously, professional development is an issue.

3:30:12 I certainly, I’m gonna say this,

3:30:16 I hope it sounds the way I mean to say it.

3:30:18 I’m gonna say it as a compliment to our teachers.

3:30:21 It’s honestly less of my concern than other things.

3:30:25 Our teachers didn’t get certified to become teachers

3:30:28 because they thought 47 minutes.

3:30:30 They came certified to become teachers to be teachers,

3:30:33 and I know most of them would cherish

3:30:35 the extra instructional minutes.

3:30:37 We will absolutely share best practices and strategies

3:30:40 on how to double up content in that time period,

3:30:43 and I believe our teachers will be

3:30:44 really receptive to all of that.

3:30:46 Testing offers some unique challenges,

3:30:48 so I do want to talk about that a little bit.

3:30:52 In our secondary schools, we test a variety of assessments.

3:30:57 In state level testing, we have traditional FSA assessments,

3:31:01 and that would be in ELA,

3:31:04 and then also in seventh or eighth grade math

3:31:09 for students who are not taking high school courses.

3:31:13 Those assessments would be continued

3:31:15 to only be administered in the spring,

3:31:18 and so for some of our schools,

3:31:21 they’re just a little concerned about the disconnect

3:31:23 for students who may take a course in first semester

3:31:25 versus testing in assessment in second semester.

3:31:28 Unfortunately, we’ve had several schools

3:31:30 in Ferrari Public Schools use block over the years,

3:31:33 and they have done some great strategies.

3:31:35 For example, a student who’s a struggling reader,

3:31:39 they would do a block one semester in ILA,

3:31:42 our intensive language arts class,

3:31:43 and they would have their ELA in a second block

3:31:46 during second semester.

3:31:48 That way, the student is in a really

3:31:51 text-rich environment all year long,

3:31:53 so they have some strategies to combat that.

3:31:56 For our AP courses,

3:31:58 the administration is only second semester,

3:32:02 so again, there’s some unique challenges in there.

3:32:05 Some of our schools have talked about

3:32:07 the amplified resources by College Board.

3:32:09 They’ve done a tremendous job

3:32:11 of putting practice resources online,

3:32:14 maybe using eighth block second semester

3:32:18 for students to be able to engage in some practice content

3:32:21 for courses they took first semester.

3:32:24 IB and ACE operate differently.

3:32:27 They do offer a semester assessment

3:32:30 for students in a block schedule.

3:32:32 It’s a little earlier.

3:32:33 The classes would have a little less content,

3:32:35 but those students could test it mid-year

3:32:39 as well as in the spring,

3:32:40 so there’s a little bit more flexibility with IB and ACE.

3:32:45 I think I covered all those iterations,

3:32:47 and so we really thought about all the different courses.

3:32:50 Industry certifications could be administered all year long,

3:32:53 enrolled in earlier.

3:32:55 I’ve got a great middle school principal that’s like,

3:32:58 I could have a student do pre-algebra and algebra

3:32:59 in the same year, who is really motivated,

3:33:02 and so our principals are really looking

3:33:04 at those flexibilities.

3:33:06 So for right now, our schools are living in two lands.

3:33:09 They’re living with their traditional work

3:33:11 that they’ve done towards their seven-period schedule,

3:33:14 and they’re working in the land that they’ve known about

3:33:17 for about three days

3:33:21 of me encouraging them to look at

3:33:25 if we can make block schedule work.

3:33:29 There are risks and benefits to every situation,

3:33:32 but when I think about flexibility,

3:33:35 the word that we keep living on,

3:33:40 and I think about minimizing risk to our teachers,

3:33:44 lessening the number of students they have,

3:33:46 increasing their planning time,

3:33:49 it’s an option that I just can’t ignore.

3:33:51 And so we’re working hard on the feasibility of it.

3:33:55 Once I have a better handle on how many of our schools

3:33:59 can pull it off and what additional support they may need,

3:34:04 I’ll be sharing that with Dr. Mullins,

3:34:06 because again, support means money.

3:34:08 We always have to be direct about that,

3:34:10 and we will go from there.

3:34:13 Normally, it would be super easy for me

3:34:15 to give you a cost estimate.

3:34:17 It’s simple math, I could do it.

3:34:19 However, I think we can cut that cost

3:34:22 because of the flexibility in high school.

3:34:24 And so these are the models that we’re looking at.

3:34:28 I know that there’s not a definitive answer

3:34:31 for you there yet, but our principals,

3:34:34 our school administrators, our counselors, our clerks,

3:34:36 everybody that you can imagine is working hard.

3:34:39 The schools will be looking to identify from their students,

3:34:44 and I’m saying the word identify

3:34:47 because it’s different at each school,

3:34:49 how many students intend to take advantage

3:34:51 of virtual or dual enrollment options

3:34:55 while still being attached to their school.

3:34:57 So we can determine how many blocks that frees up,

3:35:01 and a block is a section

3:35:02 that needs a teacher attached to it.

3:35:04 And I ask them to not communicate that ‘til after today,

3:35:09 because of course, moving forward on that,

3:35:11 I would only want to task our administrators

3:35:14 to continue that exploration

3:35:16 if it met the interest of the board, of course,

3:35:20 and so I ask them to wait in soliciting feedback

3:35:22 from their school communities.

3:35:24 None of these plans that I described

3:35:27 will require DOE permission,

3:35:31 and because they are all using

3:35:33 previously employed approved strategies,

3:35:38 so I don’t have that pending board approval notation.

3:35:42 These are all accepted,

3:35:44 already previously vetted strategies

3:35:48 that the Department of Education supports.

3:35:52 And I’m ready for questions.

3:35:56 - Good questions.

3:35:57 All right, board members,

3:35:58 questions on the secondary options?

3:36:01 - I’m ready. - 22 through 24.

3:36:04 - She saw me lean forward, she knew I was coming.

3:36:07 - And I’m leaning back.

3:36:08 (all laughing)

3:36:10 - So I taught in a block schedule school for two years,

3:36:14 and it was an A/B block, which is very different

3:36:16 because you still have six to seven classes

3:36:19 that you’re responsible for,

3:36:19 and I think some people are, oh, why can’t we do that?

3:36:23 Because then we can kind of stay the same,

3:36:25 ‘cause it reduces how many students

3:36:27 you’re exposed to each day,

3:36:29 but you still have the repetition, so.

3:36:31 - Yeah, we were trying to picture,

3:36:35 did that student start the sniffles on Monday or Tuesday?

3:36:37 - Right, right, when they were in my class

3:36:39 or on the other class?

3:36:40 - And it doesn’t minimize the risk for our teachers.

3:36:42 - And it doesn’t do the other important thing,

3:36:44 which is to minimize the load for the students

3:36:47 and the teachers when it comes to the amount of work.

3:36:51 And I know having two secondary students myself,

3:36:54 you know, even in distance learning,

3:36:55 it was a lot to juggle,

3:36:57 did I get through all seven courses of my work?

3:37:01 And sometimes they were more successful.

3:37:02 - You mean your students’ work, right?

3:37:04 - My children, my children, right.

3:37:06 Sometimes they were, yeah, oh yeah, right.

3:37:09 I’m speaking of their, yeah.

3:37:10 There was no mom helping with anything for my two girls.

3:37:15 So I really appreciate the benefits

3:37:20 of the block schedule option,

3:37:23 but my music teacher heart just hurts thinking of this.

3:37:29 And I’m just, I’m gonna be Pollyanna too,

3:37:31 like a couple of us have been,

3:37:32 and this is just for this year,

3:37:33 and then we’re all gonna be past it.

3:37:34 But it really, because this is the kind,

3:37:37 we just need to be aware.

3:37:38 This is what’s gonna happen for our choirs

3:37:40 and orchestras and bands.

3:37:40 And I’m sorry if I’m leaving out other subjects

3:37:42 that are similar, but my mind thinks towards Music First,

3:37:46 that, you know, if you’re in beginning band,

3:37:48 you’re only gonna be in beginning band for one semester.

3:37:51 If you’re the advanced orchestra,

3:37:53 you’re only gonna be in one semester,

3:37:55 and we’ve gotta juggle.

3:37:56 Are you gonna go first semester, last semester?

3:37:57 And I know some of the things have changed this year.

3:37:59 I know we just got the announcement yesterday

3:38:01 that there will be marching band MPAs this year,

3:38:06 and so some of the competitions will be different,

3:38:08 and they’re all gonna be flexible.

3:38:09 We’re all gonna be flexible all year long.

3:38:10 - If I could speak to that, Ms. Campbell.

3:38:12 Fortunately, we have a phenomenal example

3:38:15 in Brevard Public Schools at Titusville High School.

3:38:17 Titusville High School is currently

3:38:19 on this block structure, and Titusville High School,

3:38:23 without question, has one of the district’s

3:38:26 most exemplary music programs.

3:38:28 - They absolutely do, I agree.

3:38:29 - Their band program is phenomenal,

3:38:32 and it belies the concerns that people have

3:38:37 with music programs, and of course,

3:38:40 I share that with my band mom, too.

3:38:42 However, Titusville, we have an exemplar in our own county,

3:38:49 several students double up, and so that happens now,

3:38:53 the students who wanna take jazz, and beginning,

3:38:56 and regular, I would imagine Mr. Schwinn,

3:39:01 who is already one of the prime mentor educators

3:39:06 in our district on music, could teach a master class

3:39:09 on block and music, and so I feel really confident

3:39:13 that if, again, the board pushes this direction,

3:39:18 that when it comes to those programs that concern people,

3:39:21 Titusville belies the logic.

3:39:25 ROTC, some of those other programs that get people nervous,

3:39:29 we have our own in-district exemplary program.

3:39:33 - Well, and I would, thank you for reminding me of that,

3:39:35 ‘cause I would say, I don’t know about

3:39:36 all the music programs, but I would say the same thing

3:39:38 about their choirs, I know they have been fantastic–

3:39:40 - They’re phenomenal.

3:39:41 - Through the years, and I was actually not aware

3:39:44 that that’s the kind of block schedule that Titusville

3:39:46 belongs to, that’s, I’m in the south end, you know,

3:39:48 we stick down to the south, but I wasn’t aware

3:39:50 that that’s the kind of block, so thank you.

3:39:54 But there’s gonna be some big changes and adjustments,

3:39:57 and again, everybody, if that’s what schools choose,

3:40:00 gonna have to just hold on for this year,

3:40:02 and we can all make it through.

3:40:05 Just the other thing that I would ask, oh,

3:40:09 one quick question, I think this is pretty easy,

3:40:10 but what about one semester classes,

3:40:12 would that be like careers, would that be a one, nine,

3:40:15 first nine weeks, second nine weeks, anything?

3:40:16 - Yes, ‘cause semester classes are completed in nine weeks,

3:40:20 and that’s a huge advantage, again, we have Titusville High

3:40:23 as our example, and what we have found amazing

3:40:28 for those programs is students have time to redo

3:40:30 where they weren’t successful, and they could easily

3:40:35 redo another semester if necessary, so yes,

3:40:38 semester courses are nine-week courses

3:40:41 and backed up against them.

3:40:42 - Okay, just going back to the first page of the secondary,

3:40:48 because I don’t think this is somewhere else

3:40:50 in the presentation, just for the conversation

3:40:55 that you and I had a little while ago

3:40:56 about the choice schools, so if we have a family,

3:40:59 in elementary, it’s a little bit simpler,

3:41:01 because the e-learning option, if you’re at one

3:41:03 of our choice schools, or you’re at ELO,

3:41:07 you’re going out of area, your school,

3:41:09 if your e-learning is attached to the school

3:41:11 that you’re registered for right now,

3:41:14 but with our choice schools and our choice programs,

3:41:18 whether it be West Shore, Edgewood,

3:41:19 or the Cambridge program at the Cambridge schools,

3:41:22 or IB, whatever, if a parent is concerned

3:41:26 they want to stay enrolled in that choice school

3:41:29 or choice program within a school,

3:41:32 but they’re not comfortable, full brick and mortar,

3:41:35 what is their option to hold their spot?

3:41:39 ‘Cause I’ve heard from a lot of parents

3:41:40 who are concerned about losing their spot.

3:41:42 - Sure, I’m gonna give a couple answers,

3:41:45 because every scenario is different,

3:41:48 and I don’t want anybody to presume

3:41:50 that my response right now is exhaustive,

3:41:52 because just when I think it was,

3:41:54 the next story is entirely different than the first story.

3:41:56 So first and foremost are students

3:41:58 with documented medical concerns.

3:42:01 Those are the students that obviously we would prioritize,

3:42:05 and we would ask all those parents

3:42:07 to please contact their school principal

3:42:09 if they have documented medical concerns

3:42:12 and want to discuss are there alternative options.

3:42:16 There are many of our families, of course,

3:42:18 with concerns that don’t necessarily meet that criteria,

3:42:22 but their concerns are equally valid,

3:42:23 kind of like I mentioned in the beginning,

3:42:25 everybody’s opinion’s a right opinion.

3:42:27 Again, we would encourage them to talk to their school.

3:42:30 It would simply need one class at your school

3:42:33 would count as still being attached to that school,

3:42:37 and that class could be a virtual dual enrollment course,

3:42:40 for example, and so we would encourage parents

3:42:45 to contact their schools.

3:42:48 We can’t make a blanket statement

3:42:50 and say seats would be available,

3:42:52 because if 50 students chose virtual school

3:42:58 or home school or non-one,

3:43:00 we can’t leave teachers there staffed

3:43:03 and waiting with no students to staff that school,

3:43:06 ‘cause again, that’s costs, right?

3:43:09 And so there’s not an easy blanket answer,

3:43:14 but we want to make something work,

3:43:16 and we want to make something work

3:43:18 for our families in those circumstances.

3:43:21 Again, that’s why I wanted to emphasize

3:43:26 maybe not with the West Shore Edgewood situation,

3:43:28 but in other spots, the Brevard Virtual School

3:43:31 is a seamless transition back into your school,

3:43:35 but call the principal,

3:43:36 and they will talk through the creative options.

3:43:39 Have you thought about this?

3:43:40 We could attach this to that course.

3:43:43 The student would have to have

3:43:44 some technical attachment to the course,

3:43:47 and one course will do it.

3:43:49 Again, that’s always been true.

3:43:51 We haven’t sang it from the rooftops before,

3:43:54 but we’re singing loudly now that that is a flexible option,

3:43:58 and so if a student is eligible for dual enrollment,

3:44:02 I would suggest do one dual enrollment virtual class,

3:44:07 and you’ve secured your attachment to that school.

3:44:10 So we are going to be as flexible as we can

3:44:15 within the guidelines that we have.

3:44:17 Secondary’s obviously a little different than elementary

3:44:19 in that we run about 500 courses,

3:44:22 each requiring unique certifications

3:44:25 and combinations and numbers

3:44:27 to warrant that teacher attachment to the section.

3:44:31 So there’s a lot of complexities

3:44:33 in really being able to guarantee

3:44:34 a viable high-quality curriculum

3:44:37 without adding another spinning plate

3:44:41 to the teachers that already have

3:44:43 a bunch of those spinning plates.

3:44:45 And so we want them to take advantage

3:44:48 of all those legal options and help us work with them

3:44:51 on what works for their family.

3:44:52 - Right, and let me just take what you just said

3:44:55 and re-explain it in layman’s terms,

3:44:56 ‘cause a lot of people who are watching–

3:44:58 - Sorry. - Who have said,

3:44:59 no, no, no, you said it clearly,

3:45:00 but I just, the teacher in me wants to not dumb it down,

3:45:04 but just to amplify it just a little bit,

3:45:06 because there’s a lot of people who have said

3:45:08 why they want an e-learning option

3:45:10 like we’re doing for elementary,

3:45:11 they want it for everybody,

3:45:13 and I just want to just clarify

3:45:14 why we can’t necessarily, I can’t,

3:45:17 it’s what a challenge it would be

3:45:19 to do something similar for our secondary,

3:45:21 because unlike elementary where there are

3:45:23 every elementary school’s offering the same courses,

3:45:25 when we get to our secondary classes,

3:45:27 there’s not an unlimited,

3:45:29 but there is such a huge variety

3:45:31 at every single school of courses offered,

3:45:33 it would be next to impossible

3:45:35 to offer an e-learning option from the school

3:45:40 and the brick and mortar at the same time

3:45:43 with separate teachers or, you know,

3:45:45 unless short of putting the camera on the teacher

3:45:46 and that’s just not gonna work

3:45:48 and it’s too much to ask for our teachers,

3:45:49 so there’s such a variety we might have at one school,

3:45:52 one section or two sections of a class,

3:45:54 let’s say European history at Heritage High School,

3:45:56 they usually offer two sections,

3:45:58 and, you know, to have those in the school building

3:46:04 and also, you know, it’s just too much

3:46:06 because of the variety, so we can’t do at the secondary

3:46:08 the same as we can do at the elementary

3:46:10 because of the complexity of the courses offered,

3:46:12 which is a wonderful thing to offer our students so many.

3:46:16 - And I would say that what we know about children

3:46:20 also is different, and the needs of an elementary school

3:46:23 parent and family and what we look for

3:46:27 in terms of resiliency and grit in our secondary students

3:46:30 is also a little different, too.

3:46:32 - Right, thank you.

3:46:33 That’s all I’ve got.

3:46:38 - You mentioned early graduation,

3:46:40 so any plans to encourage, I’m guessing,

3:46:45 a bunch of our soon-to-be seniors–

3:46:47 - Very aggressively. (laughs)

3:46:49 - Like, oh, look, you have enough credits,

3:46:51 here’s your diploma, are we gonna be trying

3:46:54 to facilitate that? - Absolutely.

3:46:57 Basically, we want to make the information clear,

3:47:03 so I don’t wanna encourage a student not to be in school,

3:47:06 I don’t wanna encourage a student to stay longer

3:47:08 than they have to, I want them to know

3:47:11 that they can do this if that’s what works

3:47:13 for them and their family, and again,

3:47:16 it de-densifies our schools, and so we may not

3:47:19 have sang it loud from the rooftops before,

3:47:22 but before, we didn’t have a primary objective

3:47:25 of de-densifying our classrooms.

3:47:27 So yeah, we will make certain every eligible person

3:47:32 knows that it’s a good option, it’s a viable option.

3:47:34 I wanna add some questions that I know people

3:47:37 are probably posting somewhere if they’re listening to this,

3:47:40 but honestly, I hope they’re not listening four hours later.

3:47:44 By law, by district policy, early graduates

3:47:49 are entitled to all the benefits of a senior.

3:47:52 So for example, we could have a senior,

3:47:55 because of maybe needing a semester course

3:47:58 done in October or done in January,

3:48:01 that senior is entitled to grad bash, prom,

3:48:06 graduation, all of those extracurricular benefits

3:48:11 that come to our seniors.

3:48:13 It’s a question that comes up all the time,

3:48:15 so I was assuming some of these fingers

3:48:17 were typing that question somewhere.

3:48:20 That is, without question, the right of a student,

3:48:24 and so we definitely don’t want our students

3:48:27 to not exercise that option.

3:48:30 For some of our students, though, early graduation’s

3:48:33 not the best fit, full-time dual enrollment is,

3:48:37 because if they’re interested in Eastern Florida

3:48:39 and interested in going in there,

3:48:41 we would encourage them to stay on with us

3:48:43 but do it full-time dual enrollment.

3:48:45 So each situation is a little different

3:48:48 depending on their goals.

3:48:49 Some students are ready, their family’s moving,

3:48:52 they wanna get graduation done,

3:48:55 or just minimize the risk for the students.

3:48:57 Some are joining the military earlier.

3:49:00 We can support those goals.

3:49:02 We always have been able to support those goals,

3:49:04 we just don’t think we have done the very best job

3:49:08 of amplifying all those rights that students have.

3:49:12 Students have the ability, you’ll see in another slide,

3:49:15 to test out of courses that isn’t necessarily amplified

3:49:18 from the rooftops, we can all remember CLEP, right?

3:49:22 You probably thought CLEP went away, CLEP didn’t go away.

3:49:25 Students could CLEP out of courses.

3:49:27 Students could take an accelerated 18-credit option

3:49:31 to graduate early.

3:49:33 We always give a handout that ends up

3:49:35 probably in a backpack, and they’re on our website.

3:49:40 All these things have always been true,

3:49:43 but they haven’t been at the forefront of,

3:49:46 that weird option I remember hearing at some point in time,

3:49:48 we should probably take that.

3:49:50 So we’re gonna make all that flexibility incredibly clear.

3:49:53 - Will it go on our COVID website under FAQs or something,

3:49:56 where people can just– - It concerns that,

3:49:58 I’m gonna write that down right now.

3:49:59 - I think that’s a good idea. - And in fact,

3:50:01 I might, for the sake of clarity,

3:50:04 add a slide to that for this document, like an appendix,

3:50:09 and then that way, if people are just looking at this,

3:50:10 they can reference it as well.

3:50:12 - Perfect, thank you.

3:50:13 So back to the, or we’re still on it,

3:50:15 but the early graduation, what’s the credit number

3:50:18 where we’re gonna be strongly encouraging,

3:50:21 questioning, supporting that?

3:50:23 Because we have our credit number,

3:50:25 and then there’s the state, which is less,

3:50:26 and then from my own experience,

3:50:28 I know that there’s an even lower number

3:50:30 that potentially can be used.

3:50:31 So are we gonna– - Yes.

3:50:34 - Be flexible, more flexible than ever,

3:50:36 and be like, oh, you have this, you could by state,

3:50:38 even though we’d encourage you, X, Y, Z.

3:50:41 - Yes, we graduate a significant number of students

3:50:45 every year under all different grad plans.

3:50:47 We probably have about 15 different grad plans,

3:50:50 and that’s probably not doing it justice.

3:50:52 And so, yes, we do that now.

3:50:55 We graduate a lot of students at 24 credits.

3:50:57 We graduate several students at 18 credits,

3:51:00 several students at 26 credits,

3:51:01 several students at 30 credits,

3:51:03 and students at 28 credits in our choice schools.

3:51:06 Again, I think the mystery is we have not been screaming it

3:51:13 from the rooftops, and given the current situation we’re in

3:51:16 and the power of de-densifying campuses

3:51:19 and minimizing students’ contact,

3:51:20 we’ll be singing it more from the rooftops

3:51:23 of all of those possible configurations,

3:51:25 and the block amplifies those possible configurations

3:51:28 ‘cause courses can be done in a compressed period of time.

3:51:31 - Perfect, hopefully the graduation number two

3:51:35 will also be put on the FAQ page.

3:51:38 You mentioned possibly 11 extra teachers for middle school,

3:51:41 once you’re potentially, I know the CARES funds

3:51:46 are not this unlimited pie in the sky

3:51:47 that we could just keep charging things to,

3:51:49 but could that potentially cover the cost

3:51:51 of those 11 teachers?

3:51:52 - It could potentially cover the cost of one more, some,

3:51:57 many, it really depends.

3:51:59 - So we haven’t depleted the CARES,

3:52:01 and we just keep saying, oh, that CARES is gonna pay

3:52:03 for that, and at some point it’s gonna be empty.

3:52:05 Have we depleted it?

3:52:06 - From my grant experience, kind of let you know

3:52:10 where I believe there’s an opportunity

3:52:12 to capture some of those expenses.

3:52:14 When we budget, we have to budget for maximum costs.

3:52:17 We have to assume big numbers.

3:52:20 And in fact, we had to make up some numbers

3:52:22 ‘cause we didn’t know how much stuff was gonna cost.

3:52:25 And so we always know that there’s going to be

3:52:29 a bucket of flexibility at some point in time

3:52:31 that’s unencumbered.

3:52:33 And in that case, we submit an amendment to our grant.

3:52:37 And so it’s not written in our current iteration

3:52:40 because, again, it’s not an identified cost or expense.

3:52:44 We know some places in our grant that are not likely

3:52:48 to max where we have them at right now.

3:52:51 And so I would suggest that there is a decent possibility

3:52:55 to capture a chunk of that, any necessary costs

3:52:58 with the CARES Act, it would absolutely qualify

3:53:02 on the scopes of work that are in the grant.

3:53:06 We are living, breathing, and dying those scopes of work,

3:53:08 so I feel really confident it’s a qualifying expense.

3:53:11 And I feel really confident that there will be

3:53:13 some offsetting that will be available

3:53:16 because we knew we budgeted high in some cases.

3:53:20 Because you have to.

3:53:21 So you have to budget maximum, but you also know

3:53:24 that not all those things cost at maximum expenses.

3:53:30 We, at the time, we had no idea

3:53:31 how much a plexiglass thing would cost.

3:53:34 We didn’t even have a ballpark.

3:53:36 So we had a really high number there

3:53:38 that we know is a little high.

3:53:40 And so, yes-ish.

3:53:45 - Okay, and this gets in the weeds a little.

3:53:47 Tell me if we’ll get to this later.

3:53:48 And I know we’re gonna talk about transportation later,

3:53:50 but I’m super curious about middle school,

3:53:53 probably because I have an incoming middle schooler.

3:53:56 If he chooses to do half day, half day,

3:54:00 first of all, I think that’s gonna give him options

3:54:02 for more foreign languages, potentially,

3:54:04 that the school may not offer.

3:54:06 So I’m very interested in that.

3:54:09 Is transportation still available?

3:54:11 Obviously not in the middle of the day,

3:54:13 but say he’s done, say he doesn’t do the morning

3:54:19 and I have to take him at noon or whatever,

3:54:22 transportation is still available home, yes?

3:54:24 As long as we’re like– - Absolutely.

3:54:25 And thank you for asking that.

3:54:27 I wanna be clear, absolutely.

3:54:29 - But there’s also, to be clear to the public,

3:54:31 transportation in the middle of the day

3:54:33 because you choose one or the other class

3:54:35 or an hour in between, we can’t, as a district,

3:54:38 provide random transportation.

3:54:40 It’s still gonna run at the same time

3:54:42 and preferably if you were gonna do half day,

3:54:44 half day, you would, so that–

3:54:46 - Right, block schedule makes that nifty too.

3:54:49 Two blocks in the morning, two blocks in the afternoon.

3:54:52 So that makes it really easy, I think,

3:54:54 for a parent to choose a flexible option.

3:54:57 - Okay, I think that’s my questions for now.

3:54:59 Thanks so much.

3:55:01 Oh, one more thing, just, thank you.

3:55:03 To you and Ms. Klein, not to leave you out, Ms. Moore,

3:55:07 but just with these two, you know,

3:55:10 we’ve looked at the thousands of comments

3:55:12 and we’re watching the debate go on

3:55:14 and I think the options that we’re giving our community

3:55:19 and within the parameters, I am extremely grateful

3:55:25 that we’re allowing parents and families and students

3:55:31 to choose where they feel safe,

3:55:34 where they’re still gonna get a quality education.

3:55:36 You know, all the things I’ve learned

3:55:38 this past few years on the board

3:55:40 kind of are coming together here

3:55:43 where you can get distracted over here

3:55:45 and distracted over there

3:55:46 and a pandemic is certainly distracting,

3:55:48 but you all seem to be laser focused on,

3:55:52 especially the students that maybe don’t have

3:55:55 an English speaking parent at home

3:55:56 and they haven’t heard a word of English since April

3:55:58 or they haven’t seen a book since April,

3:56:02 I think this gives them opportunities

3:56:04 to get the quality education that they deserve,

3:56:06 so thank you.

3:56:10 - Ms. McDougal.

3:56:13 - Sullivan, I have a quick question here.

3:56:15 It’s related to the ID program.

3:56:19 I think I have some parents that are concerned,

3:56:22 how will that look, a black schedule, the ID world,

3:56:27 especially if they’re a senior at this point?

3:56:30 - Yeah, what I can tell you

3:56:34 is that I don’t believe it won’t work.

3:56:37 And as an IB mom just had an IB senior,

3:56:40 I know exactly what an IB senior schedule looks like.

3:56:44 The students are taking six mandatory sections

3:56:51 and the IB framework allows for semester by semester block.

3:56:58 I should amplify to the board

3:57:00 that they are on a rather tight deadline

3:57:02 for us to make a decision

3:57:04 because they have to be able to commit

3:57:06 to first semester testing.

3:57:08 So a student in block would still have those six courses

3:57:12 with the IB program.

3:57:14 They’d actually have two additional courses

3:57:16 and I’m gonna speak to you as a mom.

3:57:18 I had an IB child myself who her senior year

3:57:21 had to drop band because she was choosing

3:57:24 between band and science research.

3:57:27 And our IB students don’t have a ton of flexibility

3:57:31 in their schedule and this actually gives them

3:57:34 another course and I have been part of the program

3:57:38 for the last four years

3:57:39 and around all the students in the program,

3:57:42 I believe the students will really appreciate

3:57:44 having a flexible course for their passions.

3:57:47 And so testing will be a little unusual.

3:57:51 I’ve already reached out to at least one IB coordinator

3:57:55 and there are lots of schools throughout the country

3:57:59 that are currently on block

3:58:01 and we would hope to connect our school leaders

3:58:04 and same with Cambridge.

3:58:06 We’re gonna set up some focus teams

3:58:08 between the Cambridge and IB personnel.

3:58:11 Our coordinators, Molly Vega is the director

3:58:13 that’s over all those accelerated programs

3:58:16 and connect with high performing schools

3:58:18 that are on block throughout the country.

3:58:21 - Right, I really appreciate that.

3:58:23 Thank you very much for answering that.

3:58:24 - Of course.

3:58:27 - Is that it, Ms. McDougald?

3:58:30 - Yeah, let me just throw this out

3:58:34 and I don’t know if this is a true thing,

3:58:36 but for band, Ms. Campbell brought up the band

3:58:42 with block scheduling.

3:58:43 So somebody brought up the example

3:58:47 that teachers working an unpaid block schedule

3:58:52 but would that be a true statement?

3:58:54 Would that ever happen?

3:58:57 Does that make sense?

3:58:59 - If you said the words unpaid, I would say no.

3:59:04 - Okay.

3:59:05 - I would certainly encourage a person with that concern

3:59:08 to contact my office.

3:59:11 - Okay, good.

3:59:12 - Yeah, there are teachers where we have a win-win

3:59:17 on decreasing costs through extended day.

3:59:21 And so there are teachers who would want

3:59:24 to teach a fourth block

3:59:25 and they would receive the extended day supplement

3:59:29 and teachers wanting extended day

3:59:32 and it being a synergy to what the school requires,

3:59:37 it’s a much lower expense for the district.

3:59:40 It is a fraction of the cost of another teacher

3:59:44 for those same three blocks.

3:59:46 Again, we have Titusville as an exemplar.

3:59:49 Astronaut was also recently on a block.

3:59:51 Sometimes a teacher might do an extra block

3:59:54 just one semester, sometimes both semesters

3:59:57 and that helps with the schedule as well.

4:00:00 And teachers of certain courses want that option

4:00:04 and we try to find a win-win where they want it

4:00:07 and the school requires it.

4:00:11 - Okay, thank you very much.

4:00:13 I appreciate it.

4:00:15 That’s all my questions.

4:00:17 - Thank you, Ms. McDougall.

4:00:18 First thing is, is it, it’s 1245.

4:00:22 I didn’t know if we kinda wanted to put together

4:00:24 a plan for lunch, being the fact that we’re only

4:00:26 on slide number 22 and we have 45 to go.

4:00:30 Does anybody else have the feeling?

4:00:32 I’m eating power bars over here like crazy

4:00:34 and I don’t think that’s gonna last me a couple more hours.

4:00:36 - I’m always hungry, so whenever you ask that question,

4:00:39 assume there’s a yes from Sullivan.

4:00:42 - Would there be a direction of the board

4:00:44 that possibly after this set of questioning,

4:00:46 we could do something or would we like to order food

4:00:49 and deliver it?

4:00:49 What do you guys think?

4:00:51 Would you like to just keep pounding and do that

4:00:52 or you wanna take a break and come back?

4:00:54 How do you guys wanna do that?

4:00:55 ‘Cause we gotta eat.

4:00:58 - Ms. Campbell, what’s your preference?

4:00:59 - I’m also usually hungry, so I’d go for a 30-minute break

4:01:04 for everybody to run and still ask if we have to do whatever.

4:01:08 - I, whatever, I mean, I’ve been, you know.

4:01:11 - I’m full of chocolate as usual.

4:01:15 - ‘Cause that’s all I eat is chocolate, chocolate.

4:01:18 It seems like maybe we should order and then it’ll be here

4:01:23 and we can eat on a 30-minute break

4:01:25 ‘cause I don’t know that we can all get out and back.

4:01:27 - Yeah, the meat of this is–

4:01:27 - ‘Cause cafeteria’s not open, correct, food services?

4:01:31 - It is open. - It is open.

4:01:32 - The cafeteria’s open, Mr. Novelli’s gonna make a run

4:01:35 and see if they can make some accommodations quickly.

4:01:37 - ‘Cause they close now, right?

4:01:39 - The meat of this is–

4:01:40 - That would be ideal.

4:01:41 I mean, I don’t, if we all have to leave,

4:01:43 it’s just gonna take forever, but yeah.

4:01:46 - That’s my two cents, cafeteria food.

4:01:49 Our delicious food services team food.

4:01:54 - All right, Mr. Susan, if you wanna go on

4:01:55 with your questions while Mr. Novelli

4:01:57 is checking in for our options.

4:01:58 - Sure, so the first one is, okay,

4:02:00 full-time Brevard virtual school sports activities.

4:02:05 - Yep.

4:02:06 - Homeschool, kinda like the homeschool option

4:02:08 where where you sit is where you go?

4:02:10 Is that how it works?

4:02:12 - Ish. (laughs)

4:02:13 - Okay.

4:02:14 - I like the Ish t-shirt, yes.

4:02:16 So for students who are full-time Brevard virtual school,

4:02:20 they are eligible for athletics,

4:02:23 just like any other non-traditional student.

4:02:26 So they would still go through

4:02:29 all those qualifying procedures, there’s no limitations.

4:02:32 I’m saying Ish because of activities.

4:02:36 They wouldn’t be able to take a class,

4:02:38 and some activities are attached to class.

4:02:41 So activities, I’d rather those be one-on-one questions,

4:02:44 and so I’m just pausing on activity.

4:02:47 But athletics, yes, that’s already a practice.

4:02:51 It’s already, it wouldn’t be something new

4:02:54 for us to figure out.

4:02:55 - Right, it just kinda follows the same–

4:02:57 - There’s a non-traditional student set of guidelines,

4:03:00 so they can still be attached to athletics

4:03:03 at their homeschool, no problem.

4:03:05 - And then how does the part-time,

4:03:11 half-and-half work with attendance for sports?

4:03:14 How are we checking on a Friday

4:03:16 to make sure that they’ve attended their class?

4:03:18 - That’s a great question, and we do that all the time now

4:03:21 with our dual enrollees and our virtual.

4:03:24 We, obviously, a lot of those courses

4:03:26 don’t have an attendance requirement.

4:03:28 So if a student is, let’s say, three periods on campus

4:03:32 and four periods off campus,

4:03:35 the off-campus courses, if they’re virtual school,

4:03:38 they don’t have an attendance requirement,

4:03:39 so they don’t count, and we would count the ones

4:03:42 where they’re on with attendance with us.

4:03:45 I say that with a slight clause,

4:03:48 because there are some cases with dual enrollment match

4:03:51 where that might be a factor,

4:03:53 but we don’t manage the attendance at dual enrollment.

4:03:56 So we are accountable for the attendance with us.

4:04:00 - And I taught block schedule also at Space Coast,

4:04:03 and I actually roamed one of the years in between,

4:04:05 so I’m familiar with it.

4:04:07 How does it work with dual enrollment?

4:04:09 How does it piece up?

4:04:10 How does that line up?

4:04:11 - Yeah, that’s actually a really good question.

4:04:13 I’m glad you brought it up.

4:04:14 Right now, again, we have Titusville as our exemplar,

4:04:17 thank goodness.

4:04:18 Our students take two dual enrollment classes per open block,

4:04:23 and so a student might have three classes at the school,

4:04:29 two dual enrollment classes.

4:04:31 One of the things that we are investigating

4:04:34 is do we do that out of practice,

4:04:37 or is that a required part of the minutes?

4:04:39 And that we’re not sure.

4:04:40 We do it in practice that way at Titusville High,

4:04:44 and what we’re trying to break down,

4:04:47 is that practice or is that required?

4:04:49 And so our team is looking at that.

4:04:52 So again, luckily we have a model for that,

4:04:56 and it’s right now two dual enrollments per open block.

4:05:00 - Got it, okay.

4:05:02 So I started looking, because we got this,

4:05:05 and I started last night putting my head around

4:05:07 trying to figure out, okay, I’m a teacher.

4:05:10 And there was a couple of angles that I was moving here.

4:05:12 How did this work?

4:05:14 And I remember my classroom when I was a teacher

4:05:18 teaching American history for the block schedule.

4:05:21 And the reason that I asked earlier

4:05:22 about the Socratic circles and all of the other pieces

4:05:25 is because the only way I could keep the fidelity

4:05:27 of my classroom in a 90 minute block

4:05:29 for social studies class was to move those kids around.

4:05:32 I couldn’t lecture to them.

4:05:34 I couldn’t have them sit in seats.

4:05:35 I couldn’t do that.

4:05:36 It was almost impossible for me to do that.

4:05:40 I mean, I would lecture for seven minutes,

4:05:41 then I had an activity, then I moved into,

4:05:43 I mean, it was just constant movement, right?

4:05:46 With the COVID plan, I have extreme concerns

4:05:49 over that going to block with the fact

4:05:51 that you have those kids who have the highest number,

4:05:54 so you have students who don’t do well

4:05:57 in a classroom studying to begin with

4:05:59 that need to be moving around,

4:06:00 that are now gonna be locked into sitting in the seats,

4:06:03 and they’re not gonna be able to be doing the group work

4:06:06 and everything else as far as the Socratic circles

4:06:08 and the different pieces.

4:06:12 What is the piece, like, was there any concern

4:06:15 about the students that have difficulty

4:06:18 getting through a 90 minute period

4:06:19 and having them basically sitting still like that?

4:06:23 Does that make sense to you?

4:06:23 - Yeah, of course, that’s a super valid concern,

4:06:26 and that is the difference in what we are having

4:06:29 to deal with right now in this current situation.

4:06:31 I think I mentioned earlier what we know is really great

4:06:35 and vibrant for an exciting learning environment

4:06:38 is contrary to what we have to prioritize

4:06:41 in terms of student safety right now,

4:06:43 and there’s not a magical solution to it.

4:06:46 I will suggest that the perception sometimes

4:06:51 is that a struggling learner would be more difficult

4:06:54 in that situation, and I would suggest

4:06:57 that that is not necessarily true.

4:06:59 I think some kids, the constancy of the change

4:07:04 and the rapidity of it isn’t necessarily better for them,

4:07:08 and some students need to decompress for a minute

4:07:11 and then potentially engage.

4:07:13 So I would absolutely agree that for some learners,

4:07:17 it’s not gonna be ideal.

4:07:20 For some learners, they’ll love less transitions,

4:07:23 and I am banking on our teachers,

4:07:28 and I don’t, it’s not an easy answer.

4:07:34 It’s what we’re dealing with trying to educate students

4:07:38 in a school in the midst of a global pandemic,

4:07:40 and sure, I would much rather those teachers

4:07:42 in a block do everything that you just said,

4:07:46 but we want to keep people and our teachers safe too.

4:07:50 So yeah, is this gonna be difficult for some of our kids?

4:07:54 No question.

4:07:59 But this is a hand we’re dealt,

4:08:03 and I believe our teachers are gonna utilize

4:08:05 their maximum toolkits and their strategies

4:08:08 to really savor those minutes.

4:08:12 I think there’s students who don’t wanna leave that class

4:08:17 as much as the students who do wanna leave that class,

4:08:20 and hopefully with the skillset that we have,

4:08:24 we can try to do the best we can,

4:08:26 but your concern is dead on, yeah,

4:08:28 every one of those concerns, of course,

4:08:30 is run through our head.

4:08:32 I just, I know my, I know a lot of the kids

4:08:34 that are in some of the areas that we have,

4:08:37 where we have our discipline problems,

4:08:40 and one of the specific common threads,

4:08:42 whether it’s diagnosed or not, whether it’s ADHD

4:08:46 or any of the other issues, becomes very prevalent

4:08:48 when you start putting them into a block schedule,

4:08:51 and when we were talking about dealing

4:08:53 with our discipline policy, this becomes a piece,

4:08:57 and to be true, I mean, I taught two years,

4:09:00 and I only wrote, I think, three referrals

4:09:02 during the two-year period, so it’s manageable.

4:09:05 I’m not saying it’s not.

4:09:06 I’m just saying it’s part of your factors,

4:09:08 if you would put it in.

4:09:09 - 100%, and I think we will be pleasantly surprised

4:09:15 at the students that actually respond

4:09:17 to the longer block of time, too.

4:09:19 We have several courses right now in our schools

4:09:21 that operate on a double block,

4:09:23 primarily in career and tech ed.

4:09:25 The students double up and are doing 90-minute blocks

4:09:28 right now, and those are often those same students,

4:09:31 and we can’t drag them out of there.

4:09:33 We have a lot of students double-blocked in ROTC,

4:09:36 and we can’t drag them out of there,

4:09:38 and so in some cases– - And I love that.

4:09:42 - It’ll give students more of the environment

4:09:44 that they thrive in, and then maybe the environment

4:09:48 they less thrive in, a little bit more palatable.

4:09:51 - And you gave specific examples of what I would love

4:09:55 to see more kids be a part of if we were in block schedule,

4:09:58 which is the ROTC, career and technical,

4:10:01 because the problem is is that those kids

4:10:03 that don’t wanna sit in that classroom would thrive

4:10:05 in the ones you just said because of exactly

4:10:07 what you said, they’re hands-on.

4:10:09 And when we take away that hands-on option

4:10:11 inside of a block schedule is where I started

4:10:13 getting concerned.

4:10:14 The other concern I was gonna ask you

4:10:16 if you had looked into– - So, Susan,

4:10:17 can I stop you for one second?

4:10:18 I just wanna check and see if we need to take action

4:10:21 on getting to the cafeterias, our food services team.

4:10:29 - They’re available, they have food for you right now.

4:10:35 - Based on that, Mr. Susan, do you mind

4:10:36 if I interrupt your questioning?

4:10:38 I just don’t wanna keep the food services staff

4:10:40 later than necessary to accommodate us.

4:10:42 - Do we have options, or?

4:10:44 - I don’t know, we’ll find out when we get there.

4:10:45 So we are going to go ahead and recess

4:10:48 for approximately 30 minutes so we can get some sustenance

4:10:51 and we will plan on resuming approximately 1.25.

4:10:57 Is that right?

4:10:59 Great.

4:11:14 (upbeat music)

4:41:38 (muffled speaking)

4:41:46 - Yup.

4:41:49 (muffled speaking)

4:41:52 Can you hear me?

4:41:53 Am I on?

4:41:54 We good?

4:41:55 Okay.

4:41:56 And Ms. Belford, that was not an interruption in any way.

4:41:59 Anytime you offer food at any time that I’m speaking

4:42:03 or in doing anything,

4:42:04 that is definitely a well-received interruption.

4:42:06 So I just wanted to say thank you.

4:42:08 Okay, getting back to the block.

4:42:11 So the next thing that I was gonna ask you about is,

4:42:15 when we, Dr. Sullivan,

4:42:17 when we,

4:42:19 one of the issues that I had was pacing as a teacher.

4:42:22 So in social studies, we had,

4:42:24 I was an American history teacher

4:42:26 and we always found ourselves stuck somewhere

4:42:30 between World War II and the Vietnam War on a block schedule

4:42:34 because the pacing was difficult.

4:42:36 There’s only so much that you can actually put

4:42:38 into a classroom with content

4:42:41 where they’re gonna absorb it, right?

4:42:42 So you find that balance.

4:42:45 But I did notice that there were a lot of teachers

4:42:49 that transferred in from other schools

4:42:50 that were not on block

4:42:52 that were not used to that actual pacing, right?

4:42:56 So when we talk about moving

4:42:59 from a seven period day to a block period day,

4:43:03 I felt like there needed to be,

4:43:05 have you guys put together like how that pacing guide works,

4:43:08 how we transition teachers to it?

4:43:10 Because I think I had some concern in that area.

4:43:14 That’s all.

4:43:15 - Yeah, those are really good concerns.

4:43:17 Again, we’ve been working on it for about three days.

4:43:20 So right now our principals

4:43:24 are examining the feasibility of it.

4:43:26 And so I’ve asked them to turn their schedules upside down.

4:43:30 And I imagine those challenges will be true.

4:43:35 You know, again, I wanna restate,

4:43:36 this is a one year recommendation given the current climate.

4:43:41 And so just like you said, Mr. Susan,

4:43:44 I’m my own worst angel devil,

4:43:46 like what’s better, what’s worse.

4:43:48 And then whatever the argument was on this hand

4:43:52 was always beat by half the contact, half, half, half,

4:43:57 minimizing the safety.

4:43:59 So those are definitely hurdles that we will work through.

4:44:02 I might feel really good about our team of content experts

4:44:05 and resource teachers who are hearing it

4:44:08 for their first time only if they’re listening

4:44:10 and they don’t even know yet.

4:44:12 Because again, we started doing

4:44:14 some just behind the scenes feasibility.

4:44:17 We didn’t wanna do anything more aggressive

4:44:19 until we presented this suggestion to the board.

4:44:22 And so all I’ve done is asked principals

4:44:25 to start looking at their course requests and their blocks,

4:44:28 try to potentially tomorrow get a handle

4:44:31 on parents opting for other options.

4:44:34 So no, depending of course on the board’s informal,

4:44:38 keep going or whoa, slow down Sullivan

4:44:41 is where we will go next.

4:44:44 I think you know the vast majority

4:44:45 of our secondary resource team,

4:44:47 I believe they can make the best out of anything.

4:44:52 Are we still gonna have some of those problems?

4:44:54 There’s not a doubt in my mind that we will,

4:44:57 but I think they will really adjust resources

4:45:00 to try to minimize some of those problems.

4:45:04 Yeah, we were weighing that.

4:45:05 Like there’s, when it comes to academics,

4:45:07 you guys know that’s my big hat.

4:45:11 And I had to turn my hat a little

4:45:13 just to really support safety.

4:45:16 And so I believe in the team.

4:45:18 They don’t know this yet that we’re even considering it

4:45:22 ‘cause we felt like the board should be

4:45:24 the first formal discussion of it.

4:45:28 And minus three days ago asking the principals.

4:45:32 - Gotcha.

4:45:33 And then that was the other piece was is that I remember,

4:45:37 this was years ago, putting together a schedule

4:45:41 is really, really difficult.

4:45:43 And I at the time was married to somebody

4:45:45 who was in charge of putting that schedule together.

4:45:48 Building it out for that seven period day

4:45:50 was really, really difficult.

4:45:52 And when I heard this in the time period,

4:45:54 it was do we have those individuals?

4:45:57 I mean, I remember her putting that together

4:46:00 and just being, it was a lot of work, right?

4:46:02 There was a lot of PT from the help from the district

4:46:06 and everything like that.

4:46:07 But is there, how would we build out a schedule like that,

4:46:12 a master schedule on a block schedule

4:46:14 when they had never done that before

4:46:16 in the time that we have, is that a concern?

4:46:18 - That is a huge concern.

4:46:21 And I wanna thank Chris.

4:46:24 He said something the other day as we were

4:46:26 as a cabinet grappling with do we bring this forward?

4:46:29 And she was quoting a principal

4:46:31 who had just gotten off the phone with me

4:46:33 and hearing this, oh, by the way,

4:46:35 I know you’re planning your third version of graduation.

4:46:38 I know you’re planning this.

4:46:39 I know you’re planning that.

4:46:42 And where we landed is hard,

4:46:49 is not something we want to get in our way

4:46:51 of something that we really think

4:46:52 is important for student safety.

4:46:54 And it took a lot for me to say it to the principals.

4:46:57 I know how hard they’re working.

4:46:58 I’ve built those schedules.

4:46:59 I know exactly what you’re talking about, Mr. Susan.

4:47:04 It took a lot for me to come to terms with

4:47:08 and asking our principals to pivot

4:47:10 in the middle of everything we’ve asked of them

4:47:13 and to maybe just talk to their assistant principal

4:47:16 and don’t even tell anybody yet,

4:47:17 but turn upside down thousands of course requests.

4:47:21 Russell Cheatham’s team is a critical part

4:47:24 of master scheduling.

4:47:26 It’s gonna be taxing on them.

4:47:29 All of it will be taxing.

4:47:30 I’m not gonna minimize that.

4:47:32 This is gonna be a heavy lift.

4:47:35 And it took a lot for me to ask that of our leaders

4:47:39 in the midst of everything they’ve done.

4:47:43 But in the end, when I thought about

4:47:46 our organizational values,

4:47:48 when I thought about our strategic initiatives,

4:47:50 when I thought about everything that we stand for,

4:47:54 I had to not use hard as a reason not to.

4:47:58 It’s gonna be all hands on deck.

4:48:00 We’re gonna be relying on our friends at Titusville

4:48:02 a lot.

4:48:03 Our friends at both Madison and Astronaut

4:48:09 were recently on block.

4:48:11 So we have some skills there.

4:48:14 We’ve only got one new curriculum assistant principal.

4:48:18 So we’re gonna rely on the fact that

4:48:20 even though block is a pivot,

4:48:22 there’s already some skillset built there in scheduling.

4:48:24 We’re gonna rely on the directors in the division.

4:48:29 Again, right now we’ve just asked them feasibility.

4:48:31 I didn’t even wanna tell them to go too far.

4:48:34 Obviously the board’s perspective was critically important

4:48:37 to how aggressively we followed this path.

4:48:40 So it is going to be a big lift.

4:48:43 And they will have to work extra hard

4:48:49 to put up a schedule before the start of school.

4:48:51 And I absolutely believe in them.

4:48:55 I’m confident that they will succeed.

4:48:58 But I’m also confident that it’s a big ask.

4:49:01 - And I appreciate you thinking outside the box,

4:49:03 and I really do.

4:49:05 I’m not, please don’t find this in any way.

4:49:08 I enjoy being innovative.

4:49:10 So thank you for that.

4:49:12 - Your questions are my questions.

4:49:14 - Yeah, and I was just, I’m trying to work through it.

4:49:17 The other thing is is that I was,

4:49:18 I mean in the short amount of time,

4:49:20 and I’m sorry, I mean I got scratched all over here

4:49:22 trying to figure it out.

4:49:23 But I was gonna ask,

4:49:25 I was trying to do the numbers in my head

4:49:27 and it just didn’t add up with how many classes

4:49:30 and everything else.

4:49:30 - Sarah, is there, I know that when I was on block,

4:49:35 I taught four out of four.

4:49:36 And I think that you had mentioned earlier

4:49:38 that there was gonna be a request.

4:49:41 The teachers that are standing out there right now

4:49:43 are saying, wow, that’s a great 90 minutes.

4:49:45 But how many of them,

4:49:47 how many teachers would you have to hire

4:49:49 if you didn’t actually go on block on average,

4:49:52 say for every thousand kids?

4:49:53 Or how many teachers are gonna be asked

4:49:55 to teach that extra class?

4:49:57 That was all.

4:49:58 - Yeah, and we don’t know.

4:50:00 Normal, in a normal year, I could give you those numbers.

4:50:02 Simple math.

4:50:03 It would normally take,

4:50:06 we use two additional units at Titusville.

4:50:09 And so we’ve got, again, we have a model.

4:50:13 So on average, that’s a good framework for you.

4:50:17 What’s different is the number of students

4:50:20 that won’t require all eight blocks

4:50:22 because of the flexibility with virtual school,

4:50:24 dual enrollment, early graduation.

4:50:27 And so that’s why the first thing the principals

4:50:30 are going to do is inquire from their families,

4:50:34 these were your original course requests.

4:50:37 As we’re building out the schedule,

4:50:39 what do you plan to do in terms of virtual

4:50:42 and dual enrollment?

4:50:43 Because then those are two sections

4:50:45 that they don’t require for every 25 kids who do it.

4:50:49 So it is a guessing game right now

4:50:53 because of the fact of COVID

4:50:55 and people increasing their use of the flexible options

4:51:00 provided for them.

4:51:01 And in part because of COVID

4:51:03 and in part because we’re gonna be more transparent

4:51:06 and vocal about all the flexible options.

4:51:09 So that was a long answer to say.

4:51:11 - No, no, no, but you had,

4:51:13 I don’t know what the population of Titusville school is,

4:51:16 but the– - About 1,500.

4:51:18 - Okay, so you’ve got two extra teaching units,

4:51:20 but I think the key is how many of those teachers

4:51:24 are actually teaching four of four,

4:51:26 because that’s the key.

4:51:26 - Yeah, I don’t have that number off the top of my head,

4:51:29 but it’s a really manageable number.

4:51:32 It’s, I wanna say for sure low single digits.

4:51:38 And I don’t have that in front of me

4:51:40 and I apologize– - No, and I wouldn’t

4:51:41 expect you to. - But it’s manageable

4:51:43 and again, it’s where when we do extended day,

4:51:47 whether it’s seven out of seven or four out of four,

4:51:51 I go back to the principals, is this what this teacher

4:51:55 wants to do? - Right.

4:51:57 - And the answer has always been yes.

4:52:01 And as opposed to is the teacher willing to do you a solid?

4:52:04 Like we want that yes, this is what the teacher wants to do.

4:52:08 - And I signed up for it every time too.

4:52:10 I just don’t know the availability of what it would be

4:52:13 in the middle of the COVID tornado

4:52:15 that teachers would be signing up for the actual period.

4:52:17 - We have no idea.

4:52:20 - And then, so I’m still trying to wrap my head

4:52:22 around the numbers because every time I do it,

4:52:24 does this mean that there will be larger numbers

4:52:28 in like activity classes?

4:52:30 I mean, is that, I’m trying to do it

4:52:32 and I can’t figure it out.

4:52:34 - And we’re all feeling the same way right now.

4:52:38 So what the schools will do is for the students

4:52:41 who do eight blocks, right now they’re looking

4:52:44 at seven course requests.

4:52:45 They’re gonna go to the students eighth course request

4:52:48 ‘cause we do rank alternatives and use that kind of

4:52:51 as a base to try to build out a schedule.

4:52:53 In a normal world, that would mean more sections

4:52:56 for the school, ergo more teachers.

4:52:59 Again, in a non-normal world, it’s gonna rely

4:53:03 really heavily on the choice options for the students.

4:53:07 We’re doing some double checking on that dual enrollment

4:53:09 like I mentioned in terms of what’s required

4:53:12 versus what our practice is in instructional minutes

4:53:16 and review that.

4:53:18 So super easy for me to tell you what it would cost you

4:53:23 and what it would take in non-COVID.

4:53:25 Not easy now, I think we have a really strong possibility

4:53:29 in our high schools of at least half the students

4:53:32 not doing a full day at the school.

4:53:34 I think that is a very reasonable guess.

4:53:41 - Okay. - But it’s only a guess,

4:53:43 Mr. Susan. - No, I understand.

4:53:44 I don’t wanna convey confidence in the numbers.

4:53:48 I’m happy to convey confidence in the concept

4:53:51 but I don’t have confidence in the numbers right now.

4:53:53 - Absolutely, no, and I appreciate that.

4:53:56 If the CDC changes its guidelines next week,

4:53:58 would that change the impact

4:53:59 of moving to a block schedule or not?

4:54:02 Does that weigh into anything

4:54:03 that you’re making a decision on?

4:54:06 - Well, I guess it depends on which way

4:54:07 they change their guidelines.

4:54:10 I haven’t seen anything.

4:54:14 That would suggest that cutting the teacher’s exposure

4:54:18 in half and the student’s transitions in half

4:54:20 would be a bad idea in this emergency.

4:54:24 But it only works, again, on the presumption,

4:54:27 it only works financially on the presumption

4:54:29 that students will take advantage of those opportunities

4:54:31 to minimize their contact.

4:54:33 So could changes change that?

4:54:38 For sure. (laughs)

4:54:40 I don’t know how many people are changing.

4:54:43 From what I read in those 11,000 comments,

4:54:46 I don’t know that teachers’ emotional appearance,

4:54:49 perspectives would change as readily

4:54:52 as CDC recommendations might change.

4:54:54 - I just, I didn’t know if,

4:54:59 because I know that we’re trying to throw a dart

4:55:00 in the middle of the dark and hit a target,

4:55:03 but if we decided to move to a block schedule

4:55:06 and then all of a sudden,

4:55:07 all of the kids decided to come back in a secondary,

4:55:11 then that becomes a situation of–

4:55:12 - 100%. - Problem, okay.

4:55:15 And then,

4:55:18 the other thing is is that are we going to offer zero blocks

4:55:22 in because that was part of,

4:55:24 and I know that Titusville’s banned,

4:55:26 one of the reasons they’re successful

4:55:27 is they have a zero block, right?

4:55:30 What is the thoughts on that?

4:55:32 - Yeah, the Titusville makes it work

4:55:34 within their schedule.

4:55:35 Schools do zero blocks now within their schedule.

4:55:38 Sometimes a teacher might, out of their standard six,

4:55:43 a zero block might be one of their standard six,

4:55:45 or a zero block might be an extended day.

4:55:48 And so those decisions are absolutely,

4:55:51 continue to be up to the discretion of the principal.

4:55:55 It’s usually gonna come down

4:55:57 to availability of section and seats,

4:55:59 and can I give up you not teaching that block

4:56:02 in the regular school day?

4:56:04 And are there enough students that maximize it?

4:56:07 So principals would continue to have discretion with it

4:56:11 like they do now.

4:56:12 We have zero block, zero period in several classes.

4:56:16 The difference with zero block

4:56:18 is there’s not enough minutes for it to actually count

4:56:20 as a whole semester, but there are solutions to that.

4:56:24 - And then is there less course offerings

4:56:27 because of the block schedule?

4:56:28 - No, more.

4:56:29 In fact, our middle schools are working with us right now

4:56:34 on how to increase ‘cause students take an eighth period.

4:56:37 And so there’s actually more course offerings.

4:56:40 - Okay.

4:56:42 I think that that’s, that portion of it,

4:56:44 I’m pretty good on.

4:56:46 The other question I had that I wrote down here

4:56:48 was Brevard Virtual.

4:56:51 So the question is, is that if we have all of our schools,

4:56:54 our high schools and middle schools on block,

4:56:57 is Brevard Virtual on block?

4:56:59 - Yeah, Heather Price and Brevard Virtual

4:57:01 is part of our team, so she’s in the same loop

4:57:03 of potentially pivoting to block as well.

4:57:06 - Oh, so they have a possibility

4:57:08 of taking the virtual schools

4:57:09 and turning them to block schedule.

4:57:11 - Yep.

4:57:12 The virtual school courses are actually already built out

4:57:15 for the student to select a 36 week pace or an 18 week pace.

4:57:22 And so a student could select the 18 week pace

4:57:25 and the modules are paced out for the student

4:57:27 to complete it more aggressively.

4:57:30 That’s actually the easiest pivot of all is that site.

4:57:34 - Okay. - Yeah.

4:57:35 - And just to bounce off of that one really quickly,

4:57:36 it almost seems like if we’re gonna do this,

4:57:38 it has to be all or nothing.

4:57:40 You know, so if we have students transferring

4:57:42 from one school to another.

4:57:44 - Yeah.

4:57:44 - We can’t, you know what I mean?

4:57:46 I mean, it’s gonna happen

4:57:47 if they’re coming in and out of county.

4:57:48 - That’s a decision point for the board, for Dr. Mullins.

4:57:52 - Every school has to do it.

4:57:53 - That’s one of the decision points.

4:57:56 You know, at this point, like I said,

4:57:58 I’ve directed schools to explore it.

4:58:01 I believe that it should be district-wide

4:58:04 or I could be convinced not.

4:58:07 Again, we’re,

4:58:11 I believe that the benefits outweigh the disadvantages

4:58:15 in this year, in this circumstance right now

4:58:17 based on what we know today.

4:58:21 So our recommendation right now

4:58:23 is the exploration district-wide.

4:58:26 But it’s not unreasonable to suggest not.

4:58:30 Right now, we have students transferring

4:58:31 between these schools all the time

4:58:33 where some students are on Block Not.

4:58:35 It’s messy, it’s icky, we deal with it now.

4:58:38 Astronaut Titusville swaps students with great regularity.

4:58:42 Space Coast, even when I was at Cocoa High,

4:58:44 we’d get students from Titusville and Astronaut on Block.

4:58:46 So counselors, schools are accustomed to that.

4:58:51 I’m not gonna say they love that,

4:58:54 but they are accustomed to that challenge.

4:58:58 - And then the testing schedule you had gone through.

4:59:02 - Yep.

4:59:02 - If a student takes an AP course

4:59:04 or anything in the first semester,

4:59:05 they still have to test first-aid standards

4:59:07 in the second half.

4:59:08 - Yes, sir.

4:59:09 - So what we used to do is just double those up

4:59:11 and put a semi-clout, you just ran them through

4:59:13 from one to the next.

4:59:14 So like in some blocks, they would have

4:59:16 like an American government and then the AP government

4:59:18 or something like that.

4:59:19 Is that kind of what your thought process is there?

4:59:21 - Ish, you get another ish answer.

4:59:24 In some schools, yes.

4:59:26 In other schools, it’s not possible

4:59:28 because the volume of AP courses students take.

4:59:31 We have schools with 27, 28 AP course offerings

4:59:35 and students take a really heavy load.

4:59:37 So government’s a great example to do that

4:59:40 ‘cause it’s really only a semester course.

4:59:42 It’s an actual AP semester course.

4:59:44 So when schools do that, they’re providing students

4:59:47 additional content and that’s a really common model.

4:59:50 Other students might have a full array of AP courses

4:59:54 students at.

4:59:55 Our big AP schools, of course, West Shore, Edgewood,

4:59:58 Satellite, Viera, Merritt Island,

4:59:59 they have huge AP enrollments.

5:00:02 That’s not necessarily gonna be possible in that framework

5:00:06 and that’s where I mentioned we’d be looking at

5:00:08 that potential eighth block, second semester

5:00:11 to provide students an opportunity to engage

5:00:13 with practice materials in preparation of the exam.

5:00:16 - Okay, thank you.

5:00:17 And then I had just one more.

5:00:19 Did we look at, and I’m sorry if I get slayed on this one.

5:00:25 When I was teaching, I started the teaching academy

5:00:28 at Space Coast.

5:00:29 That was our, we wrote the curriculum.

5:00:31 We were part of the adoption process to the DOE

5:00:33 and then I taught it and in that class,

5:00:36 we had the students stay inside of a wheel

5:00:39 so that we all taught the same kids.

5:00:41 So meaning that the same kids that were inside my classroom,

5:00:45 those 25, 30 kids went to, they were a cohort

5:00:48 that moved through.

5:00:49 Did we look at, and I know this is kind of

5:00:52 outside the box thinking, but have we looked at

5:00:55 setting up tracks, classes of academies,

5:00:59 meaning that if you’re a teacher, if you’re a student,

5:01:01 these are the classes that you can take

5:01:03 and then you’re on that together.

5:01:04 Did we look at possibly putting as many of those kids

5:01:07 in cohorts together like that?

5:01:08 That scheduling to me on a seven day

5:01:11 seemed a lot more than the transition here.

5:01:14 Did we look at that?

5:01:15 - So we do some cohort pathways right now

5:01:18 and those are typically four classes a year

5:01:21 and all of our academies by design have cohort pathways.

5:01:27 However, with a cohort pathway comes a limitation

5:01:30 of options and choice and in just my interpretation

5:01:37 of what this board and district has stood for,

5:01:40 choice and flexibility has always been high on the list

5:01:43 and so our students that choose the academies

5:01:47 opt into that cohort plan and it’s a really great fit.

5:01:50 It creates a common culture but a lot of students

5:01:53 and families really want to have the flexibility

5:01:55 and choose the courses that they want to choose

5:01:57 and they also have math is always a unique situation.

5:02:01 We want to make sure courses are leveled for students.

5:02:04 We don’t want to, some students are really strong

5:02:07 in the language arts.

5:02:09 They might want advanced placement there

5:02:10 but they might really struggle in mathematics

5:02:12 or the sciences and so a cohort pathway

5:02:16 assumes commonality in choices and commonality in levels

5:02:21 and so yeah, we absolutely thought about those things.

5:02:25 However, I’m always weighing things.

5:02:28 I weighed with what I’ve seen as this board

5:02:31 always really championing choice and options.

5:02:35 So again, in a COVID crisis we’re,

5:02:40 and I’m happy to pivot in my recommendations as well

5:02:45 and so in preparation for today,

5:02:47 I just keep in mind what I’ve seen and heard from the board

5:02:51 and tried to honor what I’ve seen

5:02:52 as the value of our district.

5:02:54 But again, nothing’s off the table.

5:02:58 - Right, no and I agree with you.

5:03:00 So you’re looking today for a recommendation from us

5:03:03 of whether we want to move forward with exploring this option

5:03:06 and would you like that at the end?

5:03:08 What are you asking from us today over this?

5:03:14 - I will not pretend to understand like protocol

5:03:19 but I believe Dr. Mullins and I in general, the team,

5:03:22 the entire group on different points

5:03:24 just keep working the direction.

5:03:26 We want you to pivot on that direction.

5:03:28 I think there’s a process the way you guys consensus

5:03:31 what you tell him to do.

5:03:34 I’m gonna assume you’re gonna tell me as a group,

5:03:36 if you don’t want me to proceed down that option

5:03:39 or whatever, I’ve got my pen in hand, I’m ready to go

5:03:43 but I’m gonna defer to the boss, Mr. Gibbs and you all

5:03:47 on what that looks like.

5:03:49 - Dr. Mullins.

5:03:51 - So yes, by the end of our conversation,

5:03:54 by the end of the workshop today,

5:03:56 we do need clear direction from the board

5:03:59 that we proceed down the path that we presented

5:04:02 or we put something on pause and look at another direction

5:04:09 or the board makes an explicit decision

5:04:12 that we want this wording or this expectation

5:04:16 or this requirement to change so that we can do the work

5:04:20 that needs to be done in preparation for Tuesday

5:04:24 at the board meeting when we present the final

5:04:26 ‘cause everything you are receiving today

5:04:28 and the public is hearing is in draft.

5:04:32 - So I’m sorry I’m taking a lot of time on this.

5:04:35 This is just my area that I lived, right?

5:04:39 We’re supposed to tell you kind of what you would like us

5:04:43 to move forward or not.

5:04:44 You’re gonna go back to your principles and say,

5:04:46 “Guys, you’ve thought about this, give me the feedback.”

5:04:50 And then some of the questions that we have

5:04:53 will get answered between now and then

5:04:55 and then we come back on Tuesday for a technical vote.

5:04:59 But if over the weekend, two or three of us

5:05:02 change our minds and we come to that meeting,

5:05:04 at that meeting would be the discussion point

5:05:06 of whether we would be able to pivot at the meeting

5:05:09 from one to the other or you looking at once we do this,

5:05:13 that recommendation’s coming and you’ve put so much into it

5:05:15 that we gotta make that decision there.

5:05:17 - Well, I would suggest that every day

5:05:21 we’re prepared to pivot.

5:05:22 I mean, ‘cause that’s what we’ve been living

5:05:24 for three months.

5:05:25 So we would ask for the best direction the board can give us

5:05:28 at this time in preparation for Tuesday.

5:05:31 We would bring forward what that represents

5:05:34 and if for some reason there is new direction

5:05:37 or there is different direction

5:05:39 from other external circumstances or sources,

5:05:43 we would have to do that anyway.

5:05:46 Dr. Sullivan with her administrative team

5:05:48 is continuing to explore and examine

5:05:52 the feasibility of the block recommendation.

5:05:56 I can’t tell you today that that is even gonna make it

5:05:59 to Tuesday, but that’s what we’re working toward.

5:06:03 If that is something the board is not supportive of

5:06:06 at this moment, we’d appreciate feedback from the board

5:06:10 today so we can just put that aside and not move forward.

5:06:15 I would at the same time ask the board to be cognizant

5:06:19 of how many additional directions we’re requested to take

5:06:25 because the capacity of our team is really taxed

5:06:32 at this time and time is of the essence.

5:06:34 We’re down to approximately three and a half weeks

5:06:37 before teacher’s report and three and a half weeks

5:06:42 and two days when typically we start providing schedules

5:06:47 to students for first round when they return,

5:06:49 particularly to secondary schools.

5:06:51 So at the same time, we were just presented

5:06:55 from the Department of Education confirmation of funding

5:07:00 for innovative learning options that our elementary team

5:07:05 is putting together and so on.

5:07:06 So at the same time, we are a very malleable organization

5:07:13 at this time, but we’re running out of time to become,

5:07:17 continue to be super flexible just because logistically

5:07:21 meeting the demands of all of the details

5:07:25 of what we need to do is running short.

5:07:27 So is that what you’re looking for, Mr. Seuss?

5:07:31 - Yeah, so the plan is due on the 31st to the state.

5:07:36 The 14th is our board meeting next week.

5:07:38 I just didn’t, I mean, this is a plan

5:07:40 that we just proposed today.

5:07:42 That’s asking the district principals and everybody else

5:07:44 to make a decision in five days to switch.

5:07:47 - Mr. Susan, let me clarify what’s due the 31st.

5:07:52 Our plan is inclusive of a number of things

5:07:55 that has nothing to do with the state requirement.

5:07:58 The state requirement is really targeted

5:08:02 at instructional models differ than what is normal.

5:08:06 So in this case, it’s primarily

5:08:08 the elementary e-learning model.

5:08:11 That is what needs to be to the state for approval.

5:08:15 And so all of our documentation on it

5:08:17 will be how that meets those assurances

5:08:20 of a high quality education.

5:08:23 All of these other things are local decisions.

5:08:26 - No, and I appreciate that.

5:08:28 Dr. Mullins, one of the greatest things about you and I

5:08:30 is we’re kind of a yin and yang on the things

5:08:32 about making decisions fast and then thinking about them

5:08:34 and going through the process, right?

5:08:36 It scares me to think that in five days

5:08:38 we would flip the entire district to a block

5:08:41 and make that decision without really thinking it through.

5:08:44 Like I just, while we were sitting here,

5:08:46 now I’m gonna ask is what about ESC push-in

5:08:49 and all that stuff at the schools?

5:08:50 We have some of the higher ESC population schools.

5:08:54 How does that work?

5:08:55 How do they work on block?

5:08:56 How does that? - Yeah, good question.

5:08:57 So all of those services, of course,

5:09:00 will continue to be provided for students.

5:09:02 There is one risk to a data indicator,

5:09:06 so I wanna be clear about that.

5:09:08 One of the measures that we look at to make sure students

5:09:11 are being served in the least restrictive environment

5:09:14 is their number of minutes with non-disabled peers.

5:09:18 And it is calculated based on the percentage of their day

5:09:22 in with non-disabled peers.

5:09:24 And so typically in most of our high schools,

5:09:28 we would want our students in the vast majority

5:09:31 of their schedule with non-disabled peers,

5:09:33 typically six out of their seven classes.

5:09:35 Maybe they have one class that’s learning strategies.

5:09:38 That’s all students with disabilities.

5:09:41 That percentage in a six out of seven

5:09:43 is still a really high percentage.

5:09:45 So a huge percentage of their day

5:09:46 is still with non-disabled peers.

5:09:49 In a block schedule, if they have a period

5:09:52 of learning strategies or social-emotional learning

5:09:56 or a class that’s really designed to provide

5:09:58 targeted support for students with disabilities,

5:10:01 it is inherently a greater percentage of their day.

5:10:04 And so in a case I gave,

5:10:09 where LRE is the number we use,

5:10:12 least restrictive environment,

5:10:14 in a six out of seven with that one class,

5:10:17 that’s a high percentage.

5:10:19 In a block schedule,

5:10:20 that’s automatically gonna be down to 75%.

5:10:23 So again, this being a one-year recommendation

5:10:28 for the district, it would be something

5:10:30 we’d probably have to explain and justify.

5:10:33 But there is an explanation.

5:10:36 We didn’t start putting kids in more restrictive classes.

5:10:40 The framework of the district changed.

5:10:42 And there would have to be

5:10:44 some creative professional development,

5:10:45 along with Chris’s team.

5:10:47 Again, learning from our friends at Titusville

5:10:49 and astronaut on some best practices.

5:10:53 But there would be no elimination of services.

5:10:55 We would just have to turn our heads a little bit.

5:10:58 And Chris, anything you wanted to add to that?

5:11:00 - No, I mean, the IEP teams are gonna need to meet.

5:11:04 We discussed this at length.

5:11:06 It’s hard.

5:11:08 The pivot’s gonna be hard.

5:11:09 And the fact of the matter is,

5:11:15 when first this came to me,

5:11:17 I was going through my head of all the reasons

5:11:20 why we couldn’t do it.

5:11:22 But after dealing with COVID cases

5:11:25 for the past two or three months

5:11:28 and ever-increasing stories of it,

5:11:32 here or near here or in our schools or near our schools,

5:11:36 and thinking about what that’s gonna be like

5:11:38 when we have 2,200 kids that show up at a school

5:11:42 and we have to start talking about excluding kids

5:11:45 from school and kids that they came into contact with,

5:11:51 I have to weigh safety over hard.

5:11:53 And so it’s going to be a challenge

5:11:57 if that’s the direction that we go.

5:11:58 And it is gonna have an impact on the work

5:12:00 of the people who work with students with disabilities.

5:12:03 But as far as the services to them,

5:12:07 you should not see a change in that.

5:12:09 You should see that students are still being supported.

5:12:12 IAs are still gonna push in.

5:12:13 Support facilitation is still gonna happen.

5:12:16 Classes are still gonna meet.

5:12:18 It’s gonna be a matter of IEP teams meeting,

5:12:21 LRE being an issue,

5:12:23 working with the state to make sure they understand that

5:12:25 and don’t penalize us.

5:12:26 But I think you summed it up well.

5:12:31 - Thank you.

5:12:32 I think Ms. Belfort said that we’re gonna,

5:12:34 I guess we’ll give you that direction

5:12:35 at the end of the meeting.

5:12:36 Sorry to go with the, it’s just this is my thing.

5:12:39 - Please don’t.

5:12:40 My response is the same to all the comments.

5:12:43 Like this is what we’re here for.

5:12:44 And I’m so thankful of the board’s time.

5:12:46 This is not something, this is hard.

5:12:50 This is not something that we’re gonna sit and say,

5:12:51 we should do this, it’s the right answer.

5:12:54 It is let’s keep massaging these answers

5:12:56 to try to do the best we can in the situation we’re in.

5:12:59 - And then I just had one last one was on page or slide 25.

5:13:04 Schools will identify students not equally supported

5:13:07 in self-assessment at home and develop a plan.

5:13:10 - We haven’t gotten to that one yet.

5:13:12 I’m turning that one over to Chris Moore.

5:13:13 Hang with me.

5:13:15 - We’re ahead of the game, Mr. Sussan.

5:13:18 - Ms. Daskovich.

5:13:22 - The more we’re talking about this,

5:13:23 I’m concerned about, was it AP classes you said

5:13:27 that you can only test at the end of the year, right?

5:13:29 It was an IB year.

5:13:31 So I just keep thinking about West Shore and Edgewood

5:13:34 and I’m wondering if block scheduling is gonna be,

5:13:38 what is the percentage of,

5:13:39 I think all their students take AP classes

5:13:41 and some of them, if I recall,

5:13:42 have pretty much all AP classes at some point.

5:13:45 So is this gonna be a harder fit for them is question one.

5:13:50 And two, Ms. Campbell said that it’s kind of

5:13:53 an all or nothing thing.

5:13:54 Is that, or she thought maybe it would be

5:13:56 an all or nothing thing.

5:13:57 Is that true or could there be an exception

5:13:59 for West Shore and Edgewood?

5:14:00 Or would that look inequitable?

5:14:03 How could that play out?

5:14:04 Could we single out two schools?

5:14:05 Because they’re smaller schools, too.

5:14:07 They’re not facilitating 2,500 kids.

5:14:10 - Yes, yes, yes and yes.

5:14:12 I mean, that’s obviously a direction

5:14:13 that we would look at at the direction of the board.

5:14:17 No question.

5:14:19 So yeah, it presents unique challenges in those two schools.

5:14:25 So the question is, what’s the bigger risk?

5:14:29 So again, I wrote down something Ms. Campbell said earlier

5:14:34 that grieving the loss, right?

5:14:35 So that it’s in my mind.

5:14:39 We keep doing this dance of,

5:14:42 I still wanna do this, but we have to do this.

5:14:43 I still wanna do this, I have to do this, right?

5:14:46 And it’s normal.

5:14:47 It’s normal that you guys are going back and forth.

5:14:49 We have been living this dream, our principals have.

5:14:52 And so at some point we have to say,

5:14:55 if we’re trying to suggest West Shore and Edgewood

5:14:57 could look exactly the same,

5:14:59 it would imply that they’re insulated

5:15:02 from all of these other issues

5:15:03 that are causing us to make these recommendations.

5:15:06 And so if we were not in a global pandemic,

5:15:11 I wouldn’t be making this recommendation.

5:15:13 And so the question is,

5:15:14 what is more important in those students and those families?

5:15:19 Less contact, less transition, less class change,

5:15:22 less touch or preserving what they’ve always done.

5:15:28 I will leave the five elected officials

5:15:32 along with my boss to try.

5:15:34 We’ve weighed out our recommendation,

5:15:39 painting over exactly what you’re saying.

5:15:41 So will it look and feel differently?

5:15:43 Yes.

5:15:44 Will it be exactly what they’re used to?

5:15:47 No.

5:15:48 Will there be some things that are better for some students?

5:15:51 Yes.

5:15:52 As parent whose children have been through these programs,

5:15:57 there’s also a lot to be said

5:15:58 when you have seven of them at the same time, right?

5:16:01 So having four of them at the same time

5:16:04 with the load that they have,

5:16:05 there’s also a positive to that too.

5:16:08 And I would imagine in our West Shore

5:16:09 and our Edgewood communities,

5:16:11 much like the community feedback we’ve gotten,

5:16:14 there’s gonna be very different opinions and perspectives

5:16:17 within the teaching population.

5:16:19 One teacher may want to be unwavering

5:16:22 on the way we’ve done it.

5:16:24 It’s really worked well for them.

5:16:25 It’s effective.

5:16:26 Another one, the concerns about contact

5:16:27 may outweigh their desire to keep it the same.

5:16:31 And that’s the challenge that we’re in

5:16:33 as public educators right now,

5:16:35 that every human being experiencing this pandemic

5:16:40 has a very different feeling on the right fit for them.

5:16:44 So it’s your recommendation

5:16:46 that this is all secondary schools go to block scheduling?

5:16:49 It’s my recommendation that if we can make the schedules work

5:16:54 that all do because of the protection of less context,

5:16:58 less class exchange, less class change,

5:17:00 and the safety to our students and staff

5:17:05 given the calls I know that Chris Moore gets,

5:17:10 given the fact that that AP teacher

5:17:13 that wants those seven classes and those kids may get ill,

5:17:18 given that it’s not all things equal,

5:17:23 given all those unknowns,

5:17:24 this school year is going to turn us all upside down.

5:17:28 And as much as we think we can anticipate what it brings us,

5:17:32 and you would think the three of us more than anybody

5:17:34 would be able to feel it ‘cause we live every comment,

5:17:38 we’re just beginning the unknowns.

5:17:43 So will it make some people unhappy?

5:17:46 Of course.

5:17:48 But again, I pick safe.

5:17:50 - Okay, just one more question.

5:17:51 And this actually goes back to Ms. Cline.

5:17:52 We can go back 15 pages or whatever.

5:17:56 - Only four. - I think it was like three.

5:17:58 - It feels like 15 pages.

5:18:00 I was thinking about in our elementary schools

5:18:02 how some and not all switch classes by sixth grade.

5:18:06 They rotate around.

5:18:08 That didn’t seem to be addressed in here.

5:18:09 Maybe are we doing something in that area?

5:18:12 Liminating to just two switches

5:18:14 or are we still letting them switch for all classes

5:18:16 or how’s that gonna work?

5:18:17 - So we wanna minimize the risk for our teachers as well.

5:18:22 And so we are in discussion whether we allow teachers

5:18:30 to departmentalize because that’s putting a teacher

5:18:34 with four different groups of students.

5:18:37 So that’s adding more exposure to our elementary teachers.

5:18:42 Everything we’re trying to do is minimize the risk

5:18:46 to not only our students but the adults.

5:18:50 Every adult in our building.

5:18:53 So when you think of things that keep us up at night,

5:18:56 it’s that safety of everyone.

5:18:59 It’s the safety of everyone in this room

5:19:02 because we laugh and joke, the three of us,

5:19:05 that if one’s going, we’re all going

5:19:08 because we’ve been together way too much lately.

5:19:11 But we have to think every person we’re in contact with

5:19:16 and we’re not totally socially distancing

5:19:19 or we’re not wearing our mask, we’re at minimum.

5:19:25 So when you’re in contact with me, I’ve been in, my husband.

5:19:29 So there’s me, my husband and now Stephanie and Chris.

5:19:35 So now I’ve exposed my home to them through what’s on,

5:19:40 so I don’t want exposure, I wanna minimize the exposure

5:19:44 to all of our teachers.

5:19:46 So we’re debating and really debating

5:19:49 and the team that’s working on that on this e-learning,

5:19:56 it’s been in great conversation with them

5:19:58 because we don’t want anyone to become ill.

5:20:04 We don’t want a child exposed, I don’t want a teacher,

5:20:07 I don’t want a cafeteria worker, our custodians.

5:20:10 All these people, Brevard Public Schools is one, we’re one.

5:20:19 And it doesn’t matter how long we are

5:20:21 and how narrow we are, we’re one voice, we’re one community

5:20:25 and we support each other.

5:20:29 We don’t all agree and we’re not always going to agree

5:20:33 on most things, but we do agree for one thing

5:20:38 and that’s we take care of each other.

5:20:40 So if nothing else, we have to take care of,

5:20:44 I have to have the responsibility of taking care

5:20:47 of the 57 elementary schools and the contact

5:20:53 that we’re having with others.

5:20:54 So long drawn out answer is we are taking departmentalizing

5:21:02 under consideration, we’re also taking under consideration.

5:21:08 Some of the activity classes and where do we have

5:21:11 the teacher move or the students move?

5:21:14 Do we have kids moving down the hall

5:21:16 when it’s not necessary?

5:21:17 All of those things are swirling in our heads.

5:21:21 - So I just wanna add some context and some numbers to that

5:21:25 so that you have this in the back of your head

5:21:27 as you weigh out these decisions.

5:21:32 If there is a student who is COVID positive, we may,

5:21:35 and I use the word may because there’s a lot of factors

5:21:39 that weigh into it, have to close a building down

5:21:41 for three days, 24 to 48 hours so that the rooms are safe

5:21:46 to go into before cleaning and then a day for cleaning.

5:21:50 All of the contacts to that case would then be excluded

5:21:54 from school for 14 days.

5:21:57 So when you look at students transitioning

5:21:59 through four fifth grade teachers,

5:22:04 that means every fifth grade teacher would be excluded

5:22:06 from school for 14 days.

5:22:08 That means all of those students would be excluded

5:22:12 from school for 14 days.

5:22:15 And that’s why the minimizing contacts is so important

5:22:18 because it’s the difference between possibly shutting down

5:22:20 a school for three days for cleaning and excluding

5:22:24 a small group of students from school for 14 days

5:22:27 and giving them services through our continuity

5:22:30 of instruction plan or having a large group

5:22:35 of people have to be excluded from school for 14 days

5:22:38 and then having to shut the building down

5:22:40 because we don’t have enough people to safely operate it.

5:22:43 And I’ll be talking more about that when we get

5:22:45 to my, the COVID section, but it does weigh

5:22:49 into this decision making as we talk

5:22:51 about why minimizing contacts are so important.

5:22:55 - Thank you both.

5:22:59 Anyone else have questions to revisit?

5:23:08 Dr. Sullivan, one of the things that,

5:23:11 and first let me say, I appreciate immensely

5:23:15 the work that you have done with your team

5:23:17 and the tough decisions that you’re making, all of you.

5:23:23 What is our, how does Brevard Virtual

5:23:28 versus in-person, in-building versus dual enrollment

5:23:33 impact our funding per student?

5:23:37 - So we earn FTE on all those enrollments.

5:23:42 And so where we don’t earn FTE is on Florida Virtual School.

5:23:47 Florida Virtual School is very hard on our budget.

5:23:51 And so we certainly want any students who,

5:23:54 and parents who are exploring a virtual option

5:23:57 to consider Brevard Virtual School.

5:23:59 And it’s our teachers, there’s a principal to reach,

5:24:03 all those things that are really powerful in a school.

5:24:06 So homeschool and Florida Virtual School

5:24:10 are the two greatest hits to our funding.

5:24:13 There are some minor tweaks in all of the rest of it.

5:24:17 So I can’t give you a perfect breakdown,

5:24:20 but the way dual enrollment works is we earn the FTE

5:24:23 for the student in that dual enrollment class.

5:24:26 And then we pay Eastern Florida for that class.

5:24:30 And so we earn it and then we pay.

5:24:33 And it’s not a perfect dollar equal.

5:24:36 And there’s some discrepancy in that.

5:24:39 So yeah, increasing flexibility has a potential

5:24:42 for some impacts to our budget.

5:24:46 I don’t believe dramatically, but we’ve,

5:24:49 this is new territory of sort of exploding flexible options.

5:24:54 And I can promise you that weighs very heavily

5:24:57 on Dr. Mullins.

5:25:00 He has paced down to my office more times than I can count

5:25:05 on those very same questions.

5:25:07 And so we’ll be doing a little bit more exploring

5:25:09 with our FTE team here and the DOE.

5:25:12 And sometimes the public communication

5:25:18 on how that’s funded is fuzzy.

5:25:20 So we are pulling it apart to make it unfuzzy

5:25:25 on how the state communicates it.

5:25:28 That being said, this year will be the first year

5:25:32 there’ll be bonus funding for dual enrollment.

5:25:35 So that’s a positive as well.

5:25:37 We do receive bonus FTE in certain circumstances

5:25:42 and bonus FTE for dual enrollment is something

5:25:45 we anticipate this year that we have not had in the past.

5:25:49 And they’ve also added bonus FTE for capstone.

5:25:53 And that increases the student’s potential

5:25:57 with another block and block scheduling.

5:25:59 So there are some things that might be a stressor

5:26:02 on the budget.

5:26:03 There’s other things that might actually assist the budget

5:26:05 because of student’s ability to take more accelerated

5:26:07 courses, student’s abilities to pass

5:26:09 more industry certifications.

5:26:11 So that’s why it’s a, some of the things that cost us

5:26:14 also help us.

5:26:15 And so that’s why the math is a little difficult to assess

5:26:20 in that circumstance.

5:26:22 - Thank you for that explanation.

5:26:25 One of the things that just in trying to think

5:26:29 outside the box,

5:26:34 and you probably have looked at this and probably can tell

5:26:36 me why I’m ludicrous to think that that would be feasible.

5:26:42 Looking at our classroom situation and just trying

5:26:45 to make all of these pieces fit while addressing

5:26:50 the contact issue, right?

5:26:53 Minimizing contact, minimizing exposure.

5:26:58 If we have a classroom, say,

5:27:02 I’ll say a middle school algebra class, right?

5:27:05 And typically that middle school algebra class

5:27:07 would have 28 kids in it.

5:27:10 Would that, 28, 30, something like that, maybe?

5:27:12 - I’d like to say 25, but it’ll be a–

5:27:15 - 25? - A whole bunch of teachers

5:27:16 telling me otherwise.

5:27:18 - Okay. - On average, 25.

5:27:21 - Okay.

5:27:24 So just from, just a numbers crunching game, right?

5:27:30 It would seem to me like if we could get

5:27:35 13 of those students to want to stay home,

5:27:40 but participate in the live classroom

5:27:43 with the other 13 students that are in the class

5:27:47 and that teacher, it would seem to me like

5:27:50 that would decrease our contact,

5:27:54 the number of interactions that we have,

5:27:55 the number of people that we have,

5:27:57 the number of bodies in the class,

5:28:00 but would still maintain that student’s ability

5:28:03 to be a part of that class to,

5:28:06 we would still be well within class size

5:28:09 and it wouldn’t shift so much funding

5:28:12 and was there any consideration given to that

5:28:15 when you were looking at our options?

5:28:17 - Oh, for sure.

5:28:18 So a situation like that in a secondary setting

5:28:22 would only work if every teacher in that child’s schedule

5:28:29 is serving all those purposes.

5:28:33 And I can assure you, Dr. Mullen,

5:28:36 I have talked about that scenario at great length.

5:28:39 So for example, that math teacher

5:28:42 would be servicing the kids in front of them.

5:28:46 We absolutely need them to serve the kids in front of them

5:28:49 who are in a weird state of distance learning

5:28:53 and provide an equally assurance-driven, robust experience

5:28:58 for those kids in their classroom at the same time.

5:29:03 And so picture the math quiz, the math test,

5:29:05 picture some of those things that we know

5:29:09 in terms of integrity around authentic student work

5:29:12 went a little by the wayside

5:29:15 in our emergency at-home learning

5:29:17 and that’s a really big lift of the teacher.

5:29:22 And so given all the other adjustments,

5:29:29 the fact that that teacher might be out themselves

5:29:32 for 14 days and then I have a sub, if I can get one,

5:29:40 doing that live and synchronous and this child’s story

5:29:46 and I just landed at reasonableness

5:29:50 is the only way that works in a secondary

5:29:52 is if every teacher in that student state does it

5:29:54 because of all the different courses,

5:29:56 unlike our elementary friends have come up

5:29:58 with a great solution that makes sense

5:30:00 with a K-6 certification.

5:30:03 And so again, we’ve talked about it a lot

5:30:08 and I can certainly take whatever feedback

5:30:14 the board provides.

5:30:16 I don’t know that we have the capacity

5:30:18 to stand up another option but I was uncomfortable

5:30:24 with what that would require of our teachers

5:30:27 and we would have to ensure that child at home,

5:30:32 part of those insurances are they’re getting

5:30:34 their therapies, they’re getting their supports,

5:30:36 like the DOE will only support it if all of those aspects

5:30:42 are guaranteed for those students.

5:30:49 - The other two considerations on that

5:30:51 were if we’re doing a live class and streaming,

5:30:54 there’s an equipment concern that also has an expense

5:30:58 attached to it and there’s also a FERPA concern.

5:31:01 The teacher would not be able to address kids by name,

5:31:03 the camera could only be on them.

5:31:08 There were a couple of other layers of concerns

5:31:10 added to that as well, just to keep in mind.

5:31:12 - It would be the capacity of our teachers,

5:31:15 the asks of them when they too are concerned

5:31:19 about their own medical fragility

5:31:21 and just all of that combined, I think was the challenge

5:31:26 where we landed at that not being our key recommendation.

5:31:30 - Okay and then follow up to that and similar,

5:31:33 you had mentioned, so what if the teacher is out?

5:31:37 If we have a teacher who has to go out,

5:31:39 is there an opportunity for that teacher

5:31:41 to continue to teach from home with another

5:31:43 responsible adult in the classroom rather than,

5:31:46 like I, trust me when I say I know it’s not ideal, right,

5:31:49 but if we have the opportunity to have a skilled teacher

5:31:53 who is willing and able to teach their content from home,

5:31:57 I would think that that would be a better solution

5:31:59 than to have a substitute who’s unfamiliar with the content

5:32:02 or have you–

5:32:05 - So I’m gonna say when a teacher goes out.

5:32:08 - Yeah and I really think it goes to Beth Betty

5:32:10 because yeah, where I was gonna say is

5:32:13 those are all kinds of terms that I,

5:32:17 I don’t know how, what is appropriate when a person is home

5:32:21 on leave and all those kinds of things, there’s,

5:32:24 so I’m gonna defer to Dr. Thady on that question

5:32:29 and I would imagine it’s a question in progress.

5:32:33 - Thank you, Dr. Sullivan.

5:32:34 It is a question in progress and I,

5:32:35 if COVID has taught us anything,

5:32:37 it’s taught us that there are things we can do

5:32:39 that we haven’t considered in the past.

5:32:42 It’s a good question.

5:32:43 It’s something that we have thought about.

5:32:45 Some of it has bargaining implications

5:32:47 that we would have to work through.

5:32:50 But it depends, we want our teachers

5:32:52 to be safe and healthy also and if somebody’s ill,

5:32:55 having them teach at home is probably not the best idea.

5:32:59 But we’ll have scenarios where somebody’s quarantined

5:33:02 but they’re asymptomatic and they never become symptomatic

5:33:05 and I believe that’s what you’re talking about.

5:33:07 I think those are all things under consideration.

5:33:10 - Okay, thank you.

5:33:16 - I think that that was all of the questions

5:33:18 that I had for you, Dr. Sullivan.

5:33:19 Does any board member need to circle back

5:33:21 with Dr. Sullivan on any issues of the secondary plan?

5:33:23 - Thank you.

5:33:24 Thank you so much. - Of course.

5:33:25 - Thank you.

5:33:26 - Of course.

5:33:27 - We appreciate you and your team

5:33:28 and all that you’re doing.

5:33:29 - And thank you for changing your schedule

5:33:31 all day long for this.

5:33:32 - She’s amazing.

5:33:33 - Yeah.

5:33:34 - I already texted her and said I’m really sorry.

5:33:36 (laughing)

5:33:41 - I think we need to ask you some questions.

5:33:42 - I do.

5:33:43 Yeah, we are getting, I have lots of questions for Patty.

5:33:46 (laughing)

5:33:48 - Should we start thinking about dinner, Dr. Mullen?

5:33:50 - No, Mr. Susan, we should not.

5:33:52 - We’re only halfway.

5:33:56 - All right, I think Ms. Moore, we are coming back to you.

5:34:00 - All right, this next section, it has a lot of things

5:34:04 that we grappled with in a lot of different areas.

5:34:07 And so, just so that you know,

5:34:09 we looked at several different factors.

5:34:13 One was the community input, of course.

5:34:15 The second was the feedback from medical professionals.

5:34:19 But two of the other factors that we had to consider

5:34:21 was our ability to implement and our ability to manage.

5:34:27 And so, when we start talking about things

5:34:30 like health screenings and face masks and transportation,

5:34:37 oftentimes, our conversation rolled around

5:34:42 to our ability to implement and our ability to manage.

5:34:46 And then, the final factor is, of course,

5:34:48 school board input.

5:34:49 So, it won’t surprise you to hear me say

5:34:51 that there are several things in this section

5:34:53 that you guys are gonna grapple with

5:34:56 and hopefully come back to us

5:34:58 with a strong direction on which way to go.

5:35:04 So, the first area is health screenings.

5:35:07 And one of the things that we know is that we are dependent.

5:35:10 We are absolutely 100% dependent

5:35:14 on our community and our families.

5:35:18 All of this starts in the home,

5:35:20 parents taking precautions with their kids,

5:35:23 parents or guardians ensuring that if their child

5:35:27 is in contact with somebody who is case positive,

5:35:30 that they know what to do and know how to inform us.

5:35:35 And for health screenings is the fact

5:35:37 that parents will start their day with a health screening.

5:35:40 Now, yesterday at four o’clock,

5:35:42 the CDC sent out new guidelines for health screening.

5:35:45 So, that’s not included in this.

5:35:47 I’ve already forwarded it to Mike Alba

5:35:49 because he’s developed the,

5:35:50 him and his team developed the screenings for employees.

5:35:54 And we wanna stay consistent and use the same screening.

5:35:58 So, we’ll be already modifying this

5:36:02 based on the CDC guidelines that we got last night.

5:36:05 But one of the things that I think everybody

5:36:06 needs to be aware of and jump in here

5:36:09 and correct me if I’m wrong,

5:36:11 but the last number I heard was 50%

5:36:13 of our COVID positive cases, they don’t run temperatures.

5:36:19 Thank you.

5:36:20 So, that temperature check that everybody,

5:36:24 that I’m reading about and that everybody’s asking for

5:36:27 is not necessarily gonna be the thing

5:36:29 that’s the indicator that a child is sick.

5:36:32 And so, one of the things that we ask is,

5:36:35 parents, you guys know your kids best.

5:36:38 You know when they’re just not feeling well.

5:36:40 Maybe they’re a little bit paler.

5:36:42 Maybe they’re a little bit listless.

5:36:44 But if they’re not feeling well, keep them at home.

5:36:48 We also know that they’re going to be students

5:36:50 with different levels of support at their family.

5:36:54 Their parent might work a late shift and be sleeping.

5:36:58 There might not be the necessary supplies at home

5:37:00 to take a temperature.

5:37:02 So, one of the things that we said is,

5:37:04 all right, we’re gonna depend on parents

5:37:08 to do the first level of health check

5:37:10 and we’re gonna give them the questions to ask

5:37:12 and the steps to take.

5:37:14 But we know that there are gonna be students

5:37:16 coming to school every day

5:37:17 that aren’t necessarily asked those questions.

5:37:20 And so, those are the group of students

5:37:21 that we’re gonna identify

5:37:22 and each school is going to set in place

5:37:26 a process for making sure those students get screened.

5:37:31 We are dependent on the nurturing of our schools

5:37:38 and the understanding

5:37:40 that this is a very private health screen.

5:37:44 So, we are going to manage that at the front of the house

5:37:48 and not at the back of the house at the classroom level.

5:37:50 So, that’s step numbers one and two.

5:37:54 The second thing is we wanted to make sure

5:37:56 that parents knew if your child is sick

5:37:58 and you keep them home, that’s an excused absence.

5:38:01 We are not giving any awards for perfect attendance.

5:38:06 I apologize to those parents

5:38:08 who are looking at a long stretch

5:38:12 of a perfect attendance award

5:38:14 that is not happening next year.

5:38:19 There’s not a school in the district

5:38:20 that’s gonna do it.

5:38:23 And so, back to your point about the chronic illness form,

5:38:26 we need to make sure we’re getting the message out

5:38:28 long and clear, loud and clear.

5:38:31 Parents, you are going to be the determinant factor

5:38:36 of whether your child is excused or not

5:38:38 from attendance that day.

5:38:45 For those students who are asymptomatic,

5:38:49 they either are sent home because they’re ill

5:38:52 and are awaiting testing or have been tested

5:38:54 and are asymptomatic, we’re gonna make sure

5:38:56 that we have a continuity of instruction plan for them.

5:39:00 We’re gonna have so many different scenarios.

5:39:02 To Stephanie’s point when she talks about

5:39:08 all of the ways in which we already serve students,

5:39:10 we’re gonna have students that are out

5:39:12 because routine normal illness.

5:39:14 We’re gonna have students that are out

5:39:16 and they’re too ill to work.

5:39:18 We’re gonna have students that are out

5:39:19 for three days, for 14 days.

5:39:21 We may have a school shut down

5:39:23 and we need to be responsive to all of that.

5:39:26 And so, one of the things that we have said repeatedly

5:39:29 is as soon as we get this plan done,

5:39:31 then we have to look at all of those scenarios

5:39:34 and how we are gonna work with those students.

5:39:38 And finally, on this page is just that

5:39:41 we wanna prioritize health.

5:39:43 We wanna prioritize health over anything else.

5:39:46 We’re gonna work in the background

5:39:47 to make sure that instruction happens

5:39:49 and we’re gonna be doing monitoring.

5:39:51 We’re gonna do our best to meet all of the services

5:39:53 that students are required to get.

5:40:01 And through all of that, the context has to be

5:40:04 we’re protecting the health of that student,

5:40:06 we’re protecting the health of our employees,

5:40:08 and we’re protecting the health

5:40:09 of the rest of the students in the school.

5:40:13 But all of that kind of depends, not kind of,

5:40:15 it does depend on our parents

5:40:18 and our parents being responsive.

5:40:20 And so, we wanted to make sure to list out

5:40:23 some of the things that we just have to have.

5:40:25 The first thing we have to have

5:40:27 is absolutely accurate information on parents’ contact lists.

5:40:31 You know, some of those lists are,

5:40:34 you could call six phone numbers and none of them work.

5:40:40 And so, one of the big asks is

5:40:42 make sure our contact list is accurate.

5:40:44 The second thing, and probably the thing

5:40:47 I’ve been questioned about the most, quite frankly,

5:40:50 besides my COVID questions, has been,

5:40:53 well, what do we do if a kid is sick

5:40:57 and the parent just doesn’t come and get them?

5:41:00 And so, that is another area in which we have got

5:41:03 to have parents responsive to the schools

5:41:06 and cooperate with the schools.

5:41:08 If we call you and your child is ill,

5:41:11 we need you to come and pick that child up

5:41:13 as soon as you can or to make arrangements

5:41:15 for your child to come and pick up as soon as you can.

5:41:19 In the meantime, the schools are gonna be working

5:41:21 on a management plan for that.

5:41:23 But, you know, one student is manageable.

5:41:27 Two students, we’ve now crossed a bridge

5:41:30 where we can no longer have a functioning clinic

5:41:36 and manage two ill children and keep them separate

5:41:39 because we have now just exhausted the three people

5:41:41 that we have that are trained to do anything for the clinic.

5:41:46 We need to make sure that our parents are completing

5:41:48 accurate medical information for our schools.

5:41:51 Every year, they complete a medical card.

5:41:54 And as you guys know, sometimes as we go

5:41:57 through elementary school, things are really specific

5:41:59 and detailed, and then as we get up through middle school,

5:42:02 less so, and by high school, some of our information

5:42:04 is not at all as complete as it needs to be.

5:42:07 We wanna encourage parents to really take the time

5:42:09 to make sure that medical information is filled out

5:42:12 absolutely correct.

5:42:14 We wanna ensure that if parents are leaving town,

5:42:17 that they complete it in the local parentis form,

5:42:20 and we know who’s responsible for that student.

5:42:23 There are any numbers of occasions when students are sick

5:42:26 and we try to call and reach a parent,

5:42:28 and we find out that mom or dad or the guardian

5:42:31 is out of town for, you know, for work or for whatever,

5:42:36 and that they’re staying with somebody else.

5:42:38 And that somebody else, we don’t have authority

5:42:41 to just hand a sick child off to.

5:42:43 So we’re going to make sure we push out to parents.

5:42:46 If you have to leave town and you leave your child

5:42:49 in somebody else’s care, we absolutely have to have

5:42:51 in a local parentis form done.

5:42:54 And finally, it goes without saying,

5:42:56 all medications do need to be brought in directly

5:42:58 to the clinic by the parent as needed.

5:43:01 That’s always been our policy.

5:43:02 It’s just a helpful reminder to everybody.

5:43:08 As we began looking over face coverings

5:43:11 and reading the feedback from parents,

5:43:16 we were pretty much straddling the line between 50/50.

5:43:22 You should know that when the first,

5:43:24 and I don’t know that Dr. Sullivan said this,

5:43:26 but she said it in every meeting I’ve been at,

5:43:29 so she probably did.

5:43:30 As we began to ask for information,

5:43:36 we were running pretty much 50/50 on any issue.

5:43:38 50/50 on face masks, 50/50 on temperature checks,

5:43:41 50/50 on school starting.

5:43:43 As we’ve gotten deeper into the crisis in Brevard County,

5:43:46 there has been a shift in some of that feedback.

5:43:48 And I imagine you guys have felt it

5:43:50 and heard it in your offices.

5:43:53 We included the American Academy of Pediatrics

5:43:56 information on face masks.

5:43:57 I don’t know if you’ve had a chance to read it yet,

5:44:00 but we included it in there so that you can have it.

5:44:06 And I’ll be quiet for just a minute

5:44:08 to give you a chance to at least skim it.

5:44:36 (silence)

5:44:51 And so this is one of those areas that we need,

5:44:55 we really need to hear the will of the board.

5:44:57 We really need to hear what your input and feedback is.

5:45:01 Currently, our recommendation is that we strongly recommend

5:45:05 our employees and our students to wear face masks

5:45:08 and that there are going to be certain circumstances

5:45:10 in which it is required.

5:45:12 Face masks will be required in certain CTE labs,

5:45:15 certain instructional settings.

5:45:18 Face masks are expected on the bus.

5:45:21 Face masks are required if somebody,

5:45:25 for example, as critical infrastructure workers,

5:45:30 if a teacher is a contact to a case,

5:45:33 it doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re going

5:45:35 to be quarantined at home for 14 days,

5:45:37 because as critical infrastructure workers,

5:45:39 they are allowed to come back and teach

5:45:42 as long as they take a health screening

5:45:44 in the morning at the school and wear a face mask.

5:45:47 In those cases, it will be required.

5:45:52 Any student who was sent to the clinic

5:45:53 and is exhibiting symptoms will be required.

5:45:56 required to wear a face mask, and we will have those face masks

5:45:59 available both for children

5:46:01 and adults at school, the disposable ones, if students come in

5:46:06 and want to wear a face

5:46:07 mask and one isn’t available to them from home. There is also

5:46:13 going to be face shields

5:46:14 available to all faculty members, as Stephanie said earlier. Did

5:46:17 I miss anything on face

5:46:18 masks? We’re not implying that all classes all the time. We’re

5:46:33 suggesting that a teacher

5:46:35 could have a lesson where it puts the kids in a vulnerable

5:46:38 situation. We’re picturing

5:46:40 a culinary lab, and so we’re picturing they might center around

5:46:44 a work block, I’ll be

5:46:46 working on food product. In that case, we would anticipate the

5:46:49 teacher for that lesson

5:46:51 having the students put on a face covering. We do that in a lot

5:46:54 of our CTE labs now, some

5:46:55 safety precautions. I’m picturing the group of kids under the

5:47:00 car in auto body, and so

5:47:02 our teachers will have discretion if a lesson is better served

5:47:08 in that. And to some of Mr.

5:47:10 Susan’s points earlier on some of those activities that are

5:47:13 better than spread out, that might

5:47:14 be a situation where a teacher says to the principal, hey, I

5:47:17 want to do this activity

5:47:18 if they wear face masks. So we could see a non-required

5:47:24 situation in general, but a teacher

5:47:28 being able to make a decision to be able to conduct an activity,

5:47:33 especially in some of

5:47:34 our career prep courses that require certain things have to be

5:47:38 done in order for the students

5:47:39 to earn those credentials. Sorry, Ms. Moore. » No, no, no, I

5:47:43 appreciate it. And I think

5:47:45 it’s really important to talk about the word strongly, strongly

5:47:48 encouraged, because it

5:47:49 means different things to different people. The number one thing

5:47:53 that we know is going

5:47:54 to make a difference is if it’s modeled. When you walk around ESF,

5:47:58 I know for people who

5:47:59 may be watching the live streaming, they’re looking at all of us

5:48:01 saying you’re not wearing

5:48:02 your masks. When we walk around ESF, the building here, we all

5:48:08 wear masks unless we’re in a

5:48:11 situation like this where we’re talking, presenting. So we know

5:48:16 that number one, we’re going to

5:48:18 ask that our leadership model that. Number two, we’re going to

5:48:22 make sure that we put

5:48:23 out lots of information about how face masks do mitigate the

5:48:30 illness. We have the information

5:48:32 from the CDC and the Department of Health that shows that me

5:48:35 wearing a face mask protects

5:48:36 you, you wearing a face mask protects me, and the two of us

5:48:39 wearing a face mask when

5:48:40 we’re with each other protects everyone. So we’re going to make

5:48:43 sure to put that message

5:48:44 out very strongly to our community and our kids. But like I said,

5:48:49 this is one of those

5:48:50 areas that we knew we needed to kind of hear the will of the

5:48:52 board to know what direction

5:48:53 you wanted us to head in for this. The next year –

5:49:10 » Ms. McDougall, we have our next question and answer session

5:49:15 coming up after slide 33.

5:49:18 So we have Ms. Moore from 25 to 32, and then we have Ms. Han at

5:49:24 33, and then a Q&A session.

5:49:27 » Okay. Yes. So it’s not going to surprise you to see hand

5:49:32 washing on here and that it

5:49:34 is one of the best ways to protect ourselves and our families

5:49:37 from getting sick. We’re

5:49:39 going to make sure that we spend some time teaching our

5:49:41 elementary students the proper

5:49:42 way to hand wash. And believe it or not, we’re going to take

5:49:46 some time to present to our

5:49:47 secondary kids the proper way to hand wash. We’re going to build

5:49:50 in time in the day to

5:49:51 make sure that they are – have the ability to hand wash, and we’re

5:49:55 going to make sure

5:49:56 that every school – every classroom has sanitizer. It’s going

5:49:59 to be a concerted effort that as

5:50:01 kids enter and leave a room, they hand sanitize. So you can

5:50:04 expect, you know, when we always

5:50:06 say to the teachers, we want you at the doorway greeting kids,

5:50:09 it’s going to be a greeting

5:50:11 and pump a hand sanitizer, and then they’re going to see the

5:50:15 same as they leave. We’re

5:50:17 going to make sure that hand sanitizer is available in all the

5:50:19 common areas, in the

5:50:20 gym, the courtyards, in the cafeteria. We’re going to make sure

5:50:23 the bathrooms are fully

5:50:24 stocked with soap and the supplies needed to wash their hands,

5:50:28 and we’re going to make

5:50:29 sure that the outside areas have different stations for hand sanitizer.

5:50:36 Transportation.

5:50:39 It absolutely provides some unique challenges for social distancing,

5:50:44 and everybody is going

5:50:45 to need to work together to make sure that this is a safe

5:50:49 environment. So we really want

5:50:51 parents to enforce with their students what appropriate social

5:50:55 distancing would be at

5:50:57 bus stops. That’s an area that we don’t – we don’t really

5:51:01 manage, and so we really need

5:51:03 to make sure that parents are working with their students on

5:51:06 that. Students are expected

5:51:07 to wear masks on bus. The only exception to that would be

5:51:11 students that already have a

5:51:12 documented medical condition that requires them not to, or

5:51:16 students that have a sensory

5:51:18 issue that is already documented as well. Again, we’re going to

5:51:24 have hand sanitizers

5:51:26 on the bus, and I talked to Dr. Miller, and I’m like, “I saw a

5:51:29 YouTube video where one

5:51:30 caught on fire,” and he’s like, “Yeah, we’re not using that one.

5:51:33 We’re using the right

5:51:34 one.” I’m like, “Okay.” So they will have hand sanitizer as they

5:51:38 get in and off the

5:51:39 bus. Students will be assigned a seat, and they will be expected

5:51:44 to sit in that assigned

5:51:46 seat, even more importantly. We were – we’re going to work with

5:51:50 our bus drivers and our

5:51:52 students to ensure they know what proper distancing is, entering

5:51:55 onto a bus, and more importantly,

5:51:58 exiting off of a bus. The seats will be wiped down in between –

5:52:02 in between the routes,

5:52:04 and when weather permits, we’re going to ask that the buses

5:52:08 operate with open windows.

5:52:11 As always, as always, any misconduct on a bus will be brought to

5:52:16 the school and could

5:52:17 include a suspension from the bus. Food and nutrition services.

5:52:25 I think that you guys

5:52:26 have all seen that probably one of the most vital – I may say

5:52:31 the most vital program

5:52:33 that we have in our schools is our food and nutrition services.

5:52:37 You know, you go back

5:52:38 to what Dr. Sullivan said about Maslow hierarchy of need. They

5:52:41 can’t learn – need. They cannot

5:52:43 learn if they are hungry. And Kevin Thornton – and I don’t know

5:52:47 if you guys have heard

5:52:47 this number – him and his team stood up 2.2 million lunches. 2.2

5:52:53 million during this time.

5:52:55 And so we want to make sure that they were an integral part of

5:53:00 this plan, and so he has

5:53:02 met with us on a couple of occasions, and this is their plan.

5:53:07 They will wear masks and

5:53:08 gloves during all preparation. There will be hand sanitizer, as

5:53:13 I said there. They really

5:53:14 would like to minimize the exchange of cash money, that passing

5:53:19 of dollar bills, and so

5:53:21 they really want for parents to utilize the Meal Play Plus

5:53:26 program so that it can be – you

5:53:28 know, that there is no – that touch interaction isn’t happening.

5:53:34 They have moved or are trying

5:53:35 to move to all prepackaged items so that there, again, isn’t a

5:53:40 whole lot of touch moving back

5:53:42 and forth. And the lines, much like the line you see in our own

5:53:45 ESF cafeteria, have been

5:53:47 rearranged to minimize contact as well. I already talked about

5:53:54 the grab-and-go meals,

5:53:58 and do – oh, and in between each of the lunches, those areas

5:54:01 will be cleaned. All those high-touch

5:54:04 surfaces will be clean. And then, of course, there will be a

5:54:09 deep clean every day on that

5:54:10 area. We are planning to do a mobile lunch. At least he’s

5:54:15 looking toward that for our

5:54:17 e-learning and distance learning, our e-learning option out of

5:54:21 elementary, and if we have to

5:54:22 go to distance learning because of school closures. Needless to

5:54:30 say, school nurses are

5:54:31 a pivotal role in bridging that healthcare education gap. We

5:54:37 reiterated here, parents

5:54:38 are that first level of health checks, and we’re going to keep

5:54:41 saying that. Clinics are

5:54:42 going to be cleaned throughout the day and at the end of the day.

5:54:47 Actually, the way it

5:54:47 was described to us is different areas have been designated with

5:54:51 priority levels, and

5:54:53 the clinic is the – in the highest priority level. We, again,

5:54:57 want our students and staff

5:54:59 who are sick to stay home, and we want our parents to understand

5:55:03 that any student that

5:55:05 presents with symptoms of COVID will be sent to the clinic, and

5:55:08 they will have a mask put

5:55:09 on them, and they will be screened by the clinic, and if there

5:55:13 is a temperature over

5:55:15 100, they will be sent home. We all have to keep in mind – I

5:55:21 don’t know how many of you

5:55:22 guys have woken up and you went, “Oh, my throat is scratchy.

5:55:27 What does that mean?” I can just

5:55:29 tell you that I’ve had any number of conversations with the

5:55:32 people around this table where we

5:55:34 went, “Oh, I had a cough. What does that mean?” We all have to

5:55:38 remember, all of us, our parents,

5:55:40 our teachers, our community, that kids get sick, and it doesn’t

5:55:46 mean they have COVID.

5:55:48 We get sick. It doesn’t mean we have COVID. So we cannot react

5:55:53 in the extreme every time

5:55:55 we think – we think something might be COVID, if a kid coughs

5:56:00 or if somebody comes in and

5:56:02 says, “My nose is dripping.” It is part of why we rely on our

5:56:07 healthcare professionals.

5:56:09 They have a saying called the worried well. The worried well.

5:56:16 And I think we’re all reaching

5:56:17 that point. So it’s really – I’m grateful every day that we

5:56:21 have actual healthcare professionals

5:56:23 in our clinics that are going to help us kind of discern who is

5:56:27 the worried well from who

5:56:29 are the truly ill. Again, we expect – we just have to rely on

5:56:35 our parents to pick up

5:56:36 students when they are ill. And that child will be, while we are

5:56:41 waiting for that pickup,

5:56:42 isolated in a separate area, monitored, not alone. But we cannot

5:56:48 have a child that may

5:56:50 be COVID positive to be in a room where other kids are coming to

5:56:53 pick up medicine and they

5:56:54 may be medically fragile. And then once the child leaves that

5:56:59 ill area, custodian will

5:57:01 come in right after that and deep clean that area. Speaking of

5:57:07 deep cleaning, I’m going

5:57:07 to pass it over to Sue. Good afternoon, everyone. Good afternoon,

5:57:14 everyone. I guess from the

5:57:16 custodial perspective, a couple things I wanted to just

5:57:19 highlight for everyone is that keeping

5:57:21 our schools clean has always been important. And really the ways

5:57:27 in which we are keeping

5:57:29 our schools clean have already been in place. We have products

5:57:32 that have been validated

5:57:34 for keeping our schools clean. So from the custodial perspective,

5:57:37 the things that really

5:57:38 are changing are more along the lines of the frequency of

5:57:42 cleaning, some of the tools that

5:57:44 we’re using for cleaning, and some of the ways that we

5:57:48 prioritize what’s being cleaned.

5:57:51 Where dusting my desk might have been a priority last year at

5:57:55 this time, it’s definitely not

5:57:57 a priority this year at this time. So with limited resources, we’re

5:58:01 having to look at

5:58:02 how we are prioritizing our efforts in keeping our schools

5:58:06 healthy and safe for our students

5:58:09 and our staff. So in that respect, there aren’t a lot of changes

5:58:15 in the custodial practices

5:58:17 other than the ones that I mentioned. What we’re doing from a

5:58:20 district-wide perspective

5:58:22 is our environmental health and safety team, Jim Powers, Pietro

5:58:25 Nivka, and Jeb Bynum, and

5:58:27 the guys in the HNS have really done a good job trying to

5:58:32 communicate protocols. They’ve

5:58:35 written things down that our schools can use, our head custodians

5:58:39 can use, our technology

5:58:41 folks can use. How do you clean computers? How do you clean

5:58:44 business machines? Things

5:58:45 like that so that there are reference materials available for

5:58:49 folks to use when they’re doing

5:58:51 really what is standard cleaning protocols. We have more

5:58:58 materials. We have more hand

5:59:02 sanitizers, hand sanitizer stations. We’ve experimented

5:59:07 successfully with, it’s a small

5:59:10 machine that looks like about a half-size R2D2 machine that has

5:59:14 a wand so that you can

5:59:16 get under spaces like, after I leave this area, you can use the

5:59:20 wand to wipe underneath

5:59:21 the ledge. And it is a way to quickly deep clean a surface. When

5:59:27 we have a positive case,

5:59:29 we have some protocols that we can use to do some deep cleaning.

5:59:35 And each school will

5:59:36 be getting one of these small machines to help them do more

5:59:40 intensive cleaning when

5:59:42 that situation is warranted. But really as Chris and Dr.

5:59:46 Sullivan and Ms. Klein have

5:59:47 been saying, the responsibility for health and safety is really

5:59:51 shared among the custodial

5:59:53 staff, the school administration, students, teachers, everybody

5:59:56 is going to have to be

5:59:57 diligent and it’s going to have to be thinking a little bit

6:00:00 differently and behaving differently

6:00:01 than they have in the past for all of us to be successful

6:00:04 together. But our team, our

6:00:06 EH&S team as well as the rest of the facilities team, we have

6:00:10 been and will continue to be

6:00:11 a support team for the leading and learning side of the house

6:00:15 and for student services

6:00:17 and just to make sure that we are there to support them in

6:00:21 whatever ways they need in

6:00:22 order to deliver education to our kids and our community. So,

6:00:27 thanks.

6:00:29 » I think just for – oh, I’m sorry. I think just for our

6:00:32 community’s sake, when we have

6:00:35 a case or a contact to a case, and I’ve said this before, but I

6:00:38 think it’s important to

6:00:40 reiterate, we know what the action plan looks like. The area in

6:00:47 which that person was and

6:00:49 we do a contact tracing ourselves, where were you, who were you

6:00:54 in contact with, all of

6:00:56 those questions, that gets shut down for 24 to 48 hours. Jim

6:01:01 Powers, Pete Trinca and his

6:01:02 team contact the head custodian and the principal, make

6:01:05 arrangements to go out to that area,

6:01:08 deep clean that area. I don’t think you talked about the mister.

6:01:10 » I did.

6:01:11 » Do you want to – you did? Oh, I blanked out on you for a

6:01:15 minute, Sue. They can – in

6:01:18 larger areas, they can bring those pieces in. We have a plan and

6:01:24 a process in place

6:01:25 and we have actually already been implementing it. So, I am

6:01:30 interested when we get the strike

6:01:33 team up and running, as soon as we get those five people hired,

6:01:36 I know it’s going to be

6:01:37 a huge help to our schools.

6:01:41 » Thank you, Ms. Moore and thank you, Ms. Han. I must say that

6:01:45 I think that we probably

6:01:48 have the best, most mission committed facilities team that I

6:01:53 think exists throughout definitely

6:01:56 the state, if not the nation. We are so very appreciative of

6:02:00 your – your entire team just

6:02:03 has really wrapped their head and their hearts around the

6:02:05 mission of the district. So, thank

6:02:06 you for all that you do all the time as well. Ms. McDougall, I

6:02:10 believe that you had indicated

6:02:12 that you had some questions based on the section of slides. Do

6:02:15 you want to go ahead and go?

6:02:16 » I do. Thank you. First, let’s go back to page – excuse me,

6:02:21 26, which is the responsibilities

6:02:24 of parents and legal guardians. And I think we all know that –

6:02:32 I won’t say oftentimes.

6:02:35 There are some parents who feel for whatever their circumstances

6:02:40 are that they have to

6:02:42 bring their child to school. And they will do whatever they can

6:02:46 to make sure that child

6:02:47 goes to school. So, let’s say the student comes back and has a

6:02:51 few symptoms. And of

6:02:52 course, you know, it may not even be COVID. It could be

6:02:57 something else. We don’t have

6:03:00 any consequences when they don’t pick up their kids. And it’s

6:03:03 still, you know, 3.30, 4 o’clock

6:03:05 and the poor student is still sitting in the clinic. Or not in

6:03:10 the clinic, in the room

6:03:11 that’s separate from the clinic. So, do we have any consequences?

6:03:17 Is there anything that

6:03:20 we can do? Or is that just like we’re going to trust them to do

6:03:23 what’s right? And I want

6:03:25 to – most of our parents do do what is right. But I am

6:03:30 concerned of what about the parents

6:03:33 that left the students there all day. » Yeah, we –

6:03:37 consequences, I don’t – yeah,

6:03:39 we don’t have the ability to have consequences. But we do have

6:03:44 tools. And so, you know, we

6:03:47 have social workers who help us in areas where, you know, some

6:03:51 of the reason why parents maybe

6:03:53 are unable to come and get their student is because they don’t

6:03:56 have transportation or

6:03:58 because they’re not even – I mean, we have some parents that

6:04:00 work in jobs where they’re

6:04:01 not even allowed to take a phone call, literally are not allowed

6:04:04 to take a phone call. And

6:04:06 so, working with our social workers to figure out what the impediment

6:04:09 is for them picking

6:04:10 up their child, it goes a long way to building relationships.

6:04:14 But we – but you are correct.

6:04:16 We also have some parents that – that that’s not the case. We

6:04:23 do work closely and collaboratively

6:04:25 with our partners at Children and Families if children are in

6:04:28 our schools and are at

6:04:29 risk and aren’t being taken care of. We have good relationships

6:04:33 with our school resource

6:04:35 officers as needed. If students – for some students who are

6:04:39 left after hours for a lengthy

6:04:40 period of time, they help us get those students home into a

6:04:44 responsible family member. So

6:04:46 we have tools, but I would not say we have consequences.

6:04:50 » Okay. Kind of along the lines – let’s say we do have a

6:04:55 student that shows symptoms

6:04:58 of COVID. And they’re symptomatic, they can’t smell, they might

6:05:02 be running a fever, they

6:05:04 may not be running a fever. What’s the – how do we know that

6:05:10 either they got tested or

6:05:12 that they’re symptom free? How do we – how do we deal with that?

6:05:18 How are we going to

6:05:19 handle that situation before returning back to school?

6:05:26 » So again, that is one of our biggest challenges. It’s a great

6:05:30 question and it’s our biggest

6:05:32 challenge because, again, kids get sick. And so we can’t

6:05:37 necessarily assume every child

6:05:39 that’s sick has COVID. And to be frank, I’ve had a lot of

6:05:43 conversations with our partners

6:05:45 in the Department of Health. They cannot force anybody to be

6:05:50 tested. We cannot force anybody

6:05:52 to be tested. What we can say is we can determine if there is a

6:05:57 presumptive case, and we’ll

6:05:58 talk about this in a little bit. But a presumptive case is you

6:06:02 have had contact with somebody

6:06:04 who is COVID positive and you have some symptoms. We do not have

6:06:10 to wait on a test to tell us

6:06:12 that you should be quarantined at home for 14 days if you have a

6:06:17 presumptive case. So

6:06:18 we can make some decisions based on symptoms. But we – it is

6:06:22 one of our biggest challenges

6:06:24 that there are going to be factors that are protected by HIPAA

6:06:29 and that we have no control

6:06:31 over. And so we’ll work with our Department of Health partners

6:06:34 and we’ll work with our

6:06:35 clinics and we’ll work with our families and we will still have

6:06:40 cases that we have to deal

6:06:42 with later.

6:06:43 » Okay.

6:06:44 » That’s a horrible answer, Ms. McDougall. I’m sorry.

6:06:47 » No, no, no. It is what it is. And I just think people need to

6:06:52 know some of the things

6:06:54 that we struggle with. So here’s one that I know that will be

6:07:00 very divisive for many

6:07:02 people, but I feel I need to bring it up. And, you know, we are

6:07:08 an organization that

6:07:11 bases things on data. We’re data-driven in so many ways. And so

6:07:17 now with the data showing

6:07:20 that if people wear face masks that it mitigates the disease, I

6:07:27 don’t understand why we are

6:07:30 strongly recommending. And I know I will upset so many people.

6:07:35 But on the other hand, I know

6:07:36 other people won’t be upset. So if students in Great Britain, if

6:07:42 students in Japan, if

6:07:44 students in other – in Korea can seem to wear face masks and

6:07:50 their teachers can, are

6:07:52 our kids less capable? I really don’t understand how we – how

6:07:58 some people feel that our kids

6:07:59 are less than able to learn like everyone else. I have been –

6:08:06 when I go out I simply

6:08:07 wear a face mask and I salute the admin that people will start

6:08:12 wearing face masks. Because

6:08:14 I think it’s important. We’re protecting each other. And safety

6:08:18 is our primary concern along

6:08:20 with educating our children. And we can’t educate them if they

6:08:24 are sick. So I am really

6:08:25 concerned that we’re just strongly recommending. So that’s my

6:08:31 soapbox for face masks. But I

6:08:33 feel that I needed to bring it up and needed to talk about that.

6:08:38 My last issue is the cafeteria. I can’t imagine how that’s going

6:08:44 to look. I’ve been in the

6:08:46 cafeteria and kids are sitting side by side. They’re talking.

6:08:49 They’re having fun. This

6:08:51 is one time where they get to interact with each other. I don’t

6:08:57 envy our principals in

6:08:59 trying to solve this. But there’s a question. Are we going to

6:09:03 have – I heard, I think,

6:09:05 bagred lunches. Some schools might have picnic tables. But even

6:09:10 picnic tables, you get two

6:09:11 to a table. You can’t really get six. You don’t want six anyhow.

6:09:14 Because again, you’re

6:09:15 not the minimum three to six feet apart. But anyhow, I just

6:09:20 wonder how that’s going to

6:09:22 look. So those are my concerns and my questions at this point.

6:09:27 » Ms. McDougall, this is Jane. I can answer what we have done

6:09:32 with elementary cafeterias.

6:09:34 Mr. Thornton and his team and I went out to Creole Elementary

6:09:40 and used that as a sample

6:09:43 school where we set up that cafeteria to minimize students

6:09:49 sitting next to each other. And so

6:09:53 because of the elementary cafeteria tables or the bench type

6:09:59 seats, we can separate those.

6:10:02 You can get three to a side. No student is facing face to face.

6:10:07 We’ve flipped them around

6:10:10 so they’re basically in rows just like in classrooms. And then a

6:10:16 four feet space between

6:10:18 the rows. Also in the cafeteria line, there are some items that

6:10:24 will be prepackaged and

6:10:26 some items that will be served. Everything will have a covering.

6:10:33 I was extremely impressed.

6:10:37 I thought we were going to just discuss how they were going to

6:10:41 lay out things. And they

6:10:43 had a full plan with how cookies are going to be packaged, how

6:10:51 everything down to the

6:10:53 way students gather items on the line. And on the cafeteria line,

6:11:01 there are actual kind

6:11:04 of not stickers, but spots along the line where a kid needs to

6:11:10 stand so that they’re

6:11:12 minimizing distance within the cafeteria line. There’s a hand

6:11:19 sanitizer system right before

6:11:22 you walk into the line, students go in. Typically where milk has

6:11:27 always been first in the line,

6:11:29 it’s last in the line. So the order in which the food service

6:11:35 team has put things together,

6:11:39 I know that Mr. Thornton and his team are actually working now

6:11:44 to get some mock plans

6:11:46 up for our secondary schools for some alternate locations. We

6:11:51 also have the opportunity, he

6:11:54 was able to purchase, they’re not carts, but they’re more like

6:12:01 probably six foot by three

6:12:04 foot mobile devices for grab and go meal options and grab and go

6:12:11 breakfast so that students

6:12:14 don’t always have to come into the cafeteria to get their

6:12:17 breakfast. We can put different

6:12:19 distribution spots out. So the plan for the cafeteria is a lot

6:12:27 further down the planning

6:12:30 than I had anticipated and it is well thought out. And the food

6:12:36 service team here at the

6:12:38 district is working with all the cafeteria managers to make

6:12:42 certain that everyone understands

6:12:44 the process. Of course, we’re going to have to do some teaching,

6:12:48 but that’s what we do.

6:12:50 We’re going to teach our students the processes of going through

6:12:53 the cafeteria line. We’ll

6:12:54 have one entrance into the cafeteria, one entrance out of the

6:12:59 cafeteria. So the cafeteria

6:13:01 processes are well thought out. » Excellent. Thank you. Thank

6:13:06 you, Ms.

6:13:07 Klein. » Other board members have questions, comments

6:13:10 for this particular section? Ms. Campbell? » I’m going to go

6:13:13 backwards just because

6:13:15 I think that’ll be easier. If I can start with Ms. Hand. We have

6:13:19 some staff and probably

6:13:20 students as well who can be sensitive to cleaners. So I think I

6:13:25 heard you say this, but are we

6:13:27 basically going to be using the same type of – same products

6:13:29 that we’ve been using

6:13:30 all along just more frequently? » Yes, ma’am.

6:13:31 » Okay. Thank you. That helps with that. Thank you, guys, for

6:13:36 talking about the worried

6:13:38 well because one of my concerns in all of this, and I’ll touch

6:13:42 on it again when I will

6:13:44 give my thoughts on the mask issue, is that we’re going to have,

6:13:47 you know, mental health

6:13:49 – the importance of mental health and what we’ve been talking

6:13:52 about over the last several

6:13:53 years nationwide, globally, I guess, really, of our students.

6:13:58 That doesn’t go away. And

6:13:59 if anything, it’s ramped up. And I have a specific concern that

6:14:03 we all have been living

6:14:04 this for the last three or four months, that we’re so warped

6:14:08 that it becomes a, oh, my

6:14:10 gosh, she’s not doing it. Oh, she’s using – and we’re all going

6:14:13 to get ourselves so

6:14:14 warped on our students. And I – you know, I have a particular

6:14:18 child who he is absolutely

6:14:20 a reflection of the emotions of the people around him. And if

6:14:24 everybody is getting all

6:14:25 up all the time, it’s going to just be disaster for many of our

6:14:28 students. And so I just appreciate

6:14:30 you making that comment. I think we’re going to have to

6:14:32 continually train our brain and

6:14:34 encourage one another and remind one another to just breathe and

6:14:39 not count coughs. You

6:14:41 know, I mean, we need to be responsible, but we just – we just

6:14:46 need to just realize that

6:14:49 there is – there is – we live in Florida. Nine months out of

6:14:51 the year are allergy season

6:14:52 for my family. You know, I worry about that sometimes with

6:14:56 people thinking, oh, my gosh,

6:14:58 your kid’s got a runny nose. Well, sorry, it’s the same runny

6:15:00 nose every day. It’s allergies.

6:15:01 But we just – that’s just something that we’ll have to

6:15:04 continually preach as well along

6:15:06 with all this other stuff that every kid who coughs, every kid

6:15:09 who sneezes is not someone

6:15:10 you need to send to the clinic. On the bus, transportation. We

6:15:24 – no, I think I’m – yeah.

6:15:27 So that for masks first. It says for the safety of everyone on

6:15:30 the bus, it is expected that

6:15:32 all bus riders wear a face covering while on the bus. So that

6:15:35 sounds like more of the

6:15:37 mandate there than in other situations. Are we providing those

6:15:41 if the students don’t already

6:15:43 have them, if we’re going to mandate on the bus? Anything we

6:15:46 mandate will – and again,

6:15:47 we didn’t use the word mandate, but yes, anything we expect we’ll

6:15:50 make sure to provide the supplies

6:15:52 for. Okay. Okay. So now I’m just going to end with my thoughts

6:15:59 on the mask. I – we

6:16:02 – this has been the thing that we’ve probably gotten more

6:16:04 emails out this week than anything

6:16:06 else is masks along with, you know, alternative virtual programs

6:16:11 and things like that. You

6:16:13 know, I haven’t been in too many situations in the last few

6:16:16 months where I’ve had to wear

6:16:17 a mask all day long. I know many employees around the county are,

6:16:20 especially if you’re

6:16:21 in food service or health or whatever, and so I know it can be

6:16:24 done. It’s – but I have

6:16:25 had recently an opportunity for my children to have to wear a

6:16:30 mask for an extended period

6:16:32 of time, and it’s hard. It’s very difficult. And there are times

6:16:37 when I have looked at

6:16:38 my child and said, “Hey, just pull it off for just a second so

6:16:40 you can breathe,” because

6:16:41 I could just see that buildup of tension, and actually, honestly,

6:16:44 he was getting a little

6:16:45 pale. And so I know – I hear Ms. McDougall, I hear you about

6:16:50 people in other countries

6:16:53 and all that, but I just – can I just – you know, a lot of

6:16:59 times, people are saying it’s

6:17:03 political. It is not political, okay? My opinion of mine is my

6:17:06 opinion, and it’s not based

6:17:07 on what anybody told me, because nobody from any political party

6:17:10 sent me an email or text

6:17:11 or phone call and said, “Hey, by the way, you need to say this

6:17:13 about masks.” This is

6:17:14 my thoughts and my input and the research that I’ve done, and

6:17:17 some of it’s just personal.

6:17:19 I just – when we start to say, “You must,” then we’re not – we’re

6:17:25 going to be in those

6:17:27 places where if a kid just needs to breathe for a minute, unfiltered,

6:17:32 just breathe and

6:17:33 have that space, that’s going to be a no-no. Can’t do that. We’re

6:17:38 going to have students

6:17:39 looking at other students who have these medical reasons why

6:17:43 they can be excused from wearing

6:17:45 masks and say, “Why don’t they have to wear a mask?” And we can’t

6:17:47 really tell that kid

6:17:48 why not, because we can’t reveal medical personal information. I

6:17:52 think we’re going to have a

6:17:53 lot of students who do, and I honestly was pleasantly surprised

6:17:56 at how my children have

6:17:57 dealt with it when they’ve had to wear it for a long time. They

6:18:00 dealt with it. But it’s

6:18:01 just – there’s so much – and as much as we have had people be

6:18:05 very vocal in our county

6:18:07 about wanting mandated masks, I have also heard from parents who

6:18:10 have said, “If that

6:18:12 is required, I’m going to find another option, because I’m not

6:18:14 sending my kid to school if

6:18:15 we have to wear a mask all day.” Now, nobody thinks that anybody

6:18:19 else thinks differently

6:18:20 from them, but that is the case. So I just – I feel like this

6:18:27 is good as far as strongly

6:18:29 recommending. I don’t like the idea of mandating for all the

6:18:32 reasons that I just stated. My

6:18:34 only question to – as far as masks go is, are we going to limit

6:18:39 in our recommendation

6:18:41 what kids are allowed to wear? Are we going to limit the types

6:18:44 and kinds of masks?

6:18:45 » Yeah. You’re – we’re putting it in the student code of

6:18:48 conduct, and you’re going

6:18:49 to be getting a policy change from me about face masks. It was

6:18:52 never an issue before.

6:18:54 So we ask that it can only cover half of the face. The student

6:18:58 has to be identifiable.

6:18:59 We ask that it complies to the other – the other requests of

6:19:02 the student code of conduct.

6:19:04 It can’t have an inappropriate image or saying just like we

6:19:08 wouldn’t allow any other – a

6:19:10 T-shirt or a hat to have on it.

6:19:12 » Well, I thought it was because, you know, you go out and you

6:19:14 see people with the medical

6:19:16 looking ones, you see people with ones they sewed at home, go

6:19:18 behind the ears, whatever,

6:19:20 or then there’s the really cool ones that are – you can wear

6:19:21 around your neck all the

6:19:22 time, you scarf. It still only covers half your face and

6:19:25 actually goes down pretty good.

6:19:27 So you know, are we – if we’re going to make it flexible so

6:19:30 that, you know, a bandana,

6:19:32 whatever it may be –

6:19:33 » Well, a bandana would be against dress code. But our friend

6:19:36 Brian Neal was the one

6:19:37 that came over and said it’s a safety issue. We need to be able

6:19:40 to identify students. So

6:19:42 we do have – we have the language in our code of student

6:19:45 conduct, but we have to get

6:19:46 the policy in front of you as well.

6:19:48 » Okay. Good. All right. Well, I think – sure.

6:19:53 » I just want to add a little to transportation because it’s

6:19:57 been a really robust discussion

6:19:59 point amongst all of us, and we chose the word expected with a

6:20:07 lot of deliberation because

6:20:11 this is a unique situation where the driver’s primary objective

6:20:16 is eyes on the road, not

6:20:18 if Katie in row 18 took her mask off. And so in terms of like

6:20:23 department and safety

6:20:24 and people and the fact that a bus is a uniquely extra

6:20:28 vulnerable situation, it is expected.

6:20:32 However, it’s also expected that our bus driver’s primary

6:20:35 responsibility is eyes on the road

6:20:37 and safety of children. And so we’re not going to ask our bus

6:20:42 drivers to deter from that

6:20:44 either. And so it’s a really delicate balance. We definitely

6:20:48 think a bus is one of those

6:20:50 special circumstances where we should say even if you’re not

6:20:53 taking the strongly recommended

6:20:55 for the rest of the day, we really expect you to do it in this

6:20:58 environment, but we’re

6:20:59 not going to have a bus driver not allow a five-year-old on the

6:21:02 bus because they don’t

6:21:04 have a mask. And so we were very deliberate in the choice of

6:21:10 expected because we think

6:21:12 even all of the varying opinions that are true and valid and

6:21:17 meaningful to families,

6:21:20 I think everybody recognizes the additional vulnerability on a

6:21:24 bus. And so we do not want

6:21:28 to give the impression that a bus driver would be deterring from

6:21:32 their primary objective

6:21:33 of eyes on the road. Just like all of us as parents know the

6:21:37 annoyance of our children

6:21:39 behind us, imagine your children behind you for 18 rows. And so

6:21:46 at no point is that more

6:21:51 important even though we expect it and believe that even in

6:21:57 other environments we think most

6:22:00 people would agree that’s a pretty extra vulnerable situation.

6:22:04 » Thank you. » Correct, ma’am. But we will also provide

6:22:09 masks for students as they board on our buses in the event that

6:22:12 they don’t have one to meet

6:22:14 that expectation. » Any additional comments or questions, Ms.

6:22:22 Campbell? » No, I’m done. Thank you.

6:22:24 » Ms. Duskovich, do you want to go next? » I don’t have any

6:22:29 questions. But I’m thinking

6:22:31 I guess I have to weigh in on my opinion on this whole segment,

6:22:34 including the masks. And

6:22:36 I know it’s a controversial topic. I am amazed at what a great

6:22:43 job you all did. I think it

6:22:46 strikes the right balance of expectations. I think our community,

6:22:50 parents and students

6:22:51 are going to have to step up and have some serious personal

6:22:54 responsibility here in doing

6:22:56 what’s right at the right times. We’re going to have to have a

6:23:00 lot of common sense, which

6:23:01 isn’t necessarily always very common in the world. But we’re

6:23:05 going to have to have it

6:23:06 in each of our classrooms by all of our leaders, by all of our

6:23:11 teachers and by our parents.

6:23:14 I do hope that we’re going to provide masks, especially in the

6:23:17 classes where Dr. Sullivan,

6:23:18 I think you mentioned that there might be activities where you

6:23:21 have to get closer together.

6:23:23 I hope that we have masks available for those situations. But I

6:23:27 don’t have a ton of comments.

6:23:31 I like the balance. I like that in the buses where we’re closer,

6:23:36 you have higher expectations.

6:23:38 The truth is you all have offered a whole smorgasbord of options

6:23:42 for families and parents.

6:23:44 More than honestly I thought we were going to be able to come up

6:23:48 with. There is a place

6:23:50 for families that are still really worried, and rightfully so,

6:23:53 worried with the status.

6:23:55 There’s multiple places for them. They can, within our system,

6:24:00 they can virtual school,

6:24:02 they can e-learning at home, there’s so many places for those

6:24:06 that are still really concerned.

6:24:09 And the only option for people that are a little less concerned

6:24:12 and ready to get their

6:24:13 kids back to some normalcy, and kids that are maybe struggling

6:24:16 with isolationism right

6:24:18 now and maybe a little bit of anxiety just from being alone, and

6:24:22 the only option for

6:24:23 them to get back in is to go to a brick and mortar school. And

6:24:26 if you’re going to mandatory,

6:24:28 mask them mandatory, make it already more uncomfortable, it’s

6:24:32 already going to feel

6:24:33 weird. I mean, there’s a lot of stuff in here with only walking

6:24:37 one way in a hallway. It

6:24:38 may not sound like a big deal, but for kids that have been in

6:24:41 the school since kindergarten,

6:24:42 it’s now third and fourth grade, and they’ve been out of school

6:24:45 for months, so now you

6:24:46 can’t go that way, you have to walk this way. No, you can’t turn

6:24:49 your desks around, you

6:24:50 can only face this way. These are all things that are already

6:24:53 going to feel stressful and

6:24:54 uncomfortable to them, and so a mandatory mask on them I think

6:24:59 is, I just don’t think

6:25:01 that’s fair. I think parents that want to send their kids back

6:25:05 want a more normal environment

6:25:07 as much as we can, still keeping them safe. And I think you guys

6:25:10 have provided this, and

6:25:11 so I am thankful for all the work. I can’t imagine the hours of

6:25:15 debate and discussion

6:25:16 and what ifs, but the decisions have to be made, and this is the

6:25:20 option for those that

6:25:21 are ready to move to this. Those that aren’t ready, there’s

6:25:25 still two, three other options

6:25:26 for them. So thank you.

6:25:28 » Ms. McDougall, you indicated you had an additional question.

6:25:34 » I did. I just want to put out there, I know that Hillsboro is

6:25:38 mandating masking their

6:25:39 schools, but I also know that Cocoa Beach has mandated in their

6:25:46 city that if you’re

6:25:48 in businesses or out and about, you must have a mask. So will

6:25:54 that impact our school at

6:25:55 Cocoa Beach? Or Roosevelt? » Yeah, so we actually, as we have

6:26:03 received

6:26:04 those orders, we have sent them to your wonderful legal

6:26:09 department, and so I know that Mr. Gibbs

6:26:13 is ready to speak to that. » Yes, Jen. As far as cities and

6:26:26 other entities

6:26:27 regulating us, we are our own entity, and I do not believe that

6:26:32 they can mandate us

6:26:33 to require masks while in our schools. We are not a public

6:26:39 business. You know, Joe Smith

6:26:42 walking down the street can’t say, hey, I want to go into that

6:26:45 elementary school and

6:26:46 check out their kindergarten classroom. They aren’t allowed. So

6:26:49 we are not open for business

6:26:51 like Publix or your gas station on the corner, so they don’t get

6:26:56 to say your school has to

6:26:58 have masks on or your students while they’re in your school.

6:27:03 This body determines what

6:27:06 its students are going to have to do while they’re in their

6:27:09 schools. So that’s my opinion

6:27:12 based on the statutes and the interpretations there. We are our

6:27:16 own governing entity. They

6:27:17 don’t get to do that. I know Leon County had issued a directive

6:27:21 that even included schools

6:27:23 directly, and their attorney called them up and said, hey, we’re

6:27:27 our own legal entity.

6:27:29 You don’t get to regulate us, and they are amending their

6:27:33 ordinance now to exclude schools

6:27:35 for that very reason. So I think that that conversation is

6:27:38 taking place, and the entities

6:27:41 are working it out amongst themselves. So I don’t anticipate

6:27:44 anything. I know one of

6:27:45 the other cities has a mandate just for public – it’s like

6:27:49 specifically for public places,

6:27:51 like stores, and I think they said they had like six in their

6:27:54 entire city. So it’s like

6:27:56 we are not a public location as that’s defined normally. So I’m

6:27:59 not concerned with any of

6:28:01 those ordinances coming out. Now, if they’re out walking down

6:28:06 the street, once they’re

6:28:07 off our campus, they might get hit by the cop when they’re

6:28:10 driving down the street if

6:28:12 they’re not wearing a mask. We can’t control that.

6:28:15 » Absolutely. Thanks, Mr. Gibbs. And I guess, you know, my

6:28:21 thought about masks is there

6:28:24 will be time – if our students are truly social distanced in

6:28:29 the classroom, I don’t

6:28:32 foresee them always wearing the mask if they’re sitting there

6:28:35 quietly doing their work. I

6:28:36 just don’t see that. That wasn’t what I envisioned. But I do

6:28:40 feel that when there’s conversation

6:28:43 and there’s interaction that this is for the safety. This is for

6:28:48 the safety of the people

6:28:49 and themselves. So I struggle with people thinking that it is

6:28:55 unreasonable. Like I said,

6:28:56 it seems like other countries can do it. I don’t know what’s

6:29:00 wrong with – I know there’s

6:29:01 nothing wrong with our students. I know they’re very teachable

6:29:03 and I know they’re learnable.

6:29:04 And you’re absolutely right, Ms. Zeskiewicz, things are going to

6:29:07 be different. And I’m

6:29:08 sure that things right now for students at home are different

6:29:12 also. And I’m assuming

6:29:13 that parents are talking to their children about some of the

6:29:17 changes that are going on.

6:29:18 If you’ve been out to the supermarket and you’re wearing your

6:29:21 mask, you look around

6:29:22 and you’ll see kids in masks. It’s not a new thing for some of

6:29:26 our kids. So I just – as

6:29:29 you can see, I’m very passionate about this. But anyhow, because

6:29:33 I care about the safety

6:29:34 of our teachers and of our students at this point. So I will

6:29:40 stop. And that’s all I have

6:29:42 to say on this issue.

6:29:43 » Thanks, Ms. McDougall. Mr. Susan, I think you’re up.

6:29:47 » Thank you. I just wanted to run through – I’m more of a

6:29:51 visual type follow through.

6:29:53 So I think I’m going to wait for the whole COVID shutting down

6:29:56 schools and all that stuff

6:29:57 to kind of run from beginning to end through that. What I would

6:30:00 like to ask is we deployed

6:30:02 a series of these touchless thermometers that are going to be at

6:30:05 the school. The process

6:30:06 of those kids coming off the bus and doing all that stuff, would

6:30:09 that be appropriate

6:30:10 to ask now or talk about that later on? I saw the other slides.

6:30:13 When do you think that

6:30:14 would be to ask that question? How that process is going to work?

6:30:17 » Yeah, that process is going to be different at every school.

6:30:19 The schools are coming up

6:30:20 with their own plan. What we knew – and when I talked about our

6:30:23 ability to implement and

6:30:24 our ability to manage, what we knew is in a school of 2,000 kids

6:30:28 or even in a school

6:30:29 of 800 kids, we don’t have the personnel to screen every student

6:30:34 every day. And in fact,

6:30:36 even if we put all of our people out there to screen students

6:30:39 every student every day,

6:30:41 then what isn’t being done? Because those people are going to be

6:30:44 pulled out of monitoring

6:30:50 the kids in the hallways, in the cafeteria, doing cafeteria

6:30:53 services, you know, all of

6:30:55 those pieces. So what we depend on is each school developing

6:30:59 their plan. How are kids getting off of buses? How are we

6:31:03 figuring out which of these students

6:31:06 need additional screening? How are we doing it in a respectful

6:31:10 and private way? How are

6:31:12 we managing if a student is sick and getting them to the clinic?

6:31:17 I mean, all of those pieces,

6:31:18 that student walk from the minute they get on the bus to the

6:31:22 minute they get back on

6:31:23 the bus and go home, we’re trying to walk through in our head.

6:31:28 And one of the projects

6:31:28 that we didn’t talk about today was out of government and

6:31:32 community relations. They were

6:31:33 waiting for this plan, and then they’re creating a video. And

6:31:37 the video starts with the student

6:31:39 at the bus stop. And the expectations there, what the bus looks

6:31:43 like, what getting off

6:31:44 the bus looks like, what it might look like if you get screened

6:31:47 at the school, and then

6:31:49 it takes you kind of through that student’s day so that

6:31:52 everybody, exactly what you said,

6:31:53 has a visual, a picture in their head of what looks different

6:31:56 now.

6:31:57 » No, I appreciate, that was actually one of my follow, my

6:32:01 final requests was to do

6:32:02 a video from soup to nuts from beginning to end of the day to

6:32:06 show them what this looks

6:32:07 like and everything else. That’s great that they’re doing that.

6:32:10 The team’s great. How

6:32:12 many – Ms. Han, I apologize. How many of those guns did we

6:32:18 deploy and by what number

6:32:20 did we determine each school gets? Was there a factor of formula,

6:32:25 something like that?

6:32:27 » If you heard some of our formulas, you would die.

6:32:31 » This formula is – oops, I’m sorry. This formula is easy.

6:32:37 Every school is getting one.

6:32:39 The high schools are getting a bigger capacity tank, so they

6:32:43 have a little bit more capacity

6:32:45 of material and we’ll see how often we use them and should we

6:32:48 need more, we’ll certainly

6:32:50 order more.

6:32:52 » Are you talking about thermometers?

6:32:55 » That’s not a hand question.

6:32:58 » Oh, sorry, sorry.

6:33:00 » We thought you were talking about the misting machine?

6:33:02 » Oh, no, I don’t want to talk about that. I want to know how

6:33:04 many thermometers we gave

6:33:05 to each school and what the reason was behind the theory or the

6:33:08 equation.

6:33:09 » So we made it up. So we have ordered – we have dispatched

6:33:17 about 700 already and have

6:33:21 a couple hundred more on hand to work through departments. I

6:33:27 think our minimal is five and

6:33:29 that would be at our smallest elementary schools up to just shy

6:33:34 of 20 at Viera High or Mell

6:33:36 High. Our high schools were given considerably more so that in

6:33:43 extracurriculars, the sports

6:33:46 or the band teacher or whatever could have some additional

6:33:50 resources available after.

6:33:52 The elementary received enough for their aftercare programs. We’re

6:33:58 certainly prepared to order

6:34:00 more. We’ve got a good contract in place for those. So we made

6:34:07 it up.

6:34:09 » No, it sounds like –

6:34:10 » Less for small, more for big.

6:34:12 » No, no, no, it sounds – if I did the numbers, 20 at Viera,

6:34:15 that’s 2,000 students there.

6:34:17 Five at the elementary schools, it’s looking like it’s about one

6:34:19 per hundred or something

6:34:20 like that.

6:34:21 » That’s exactly what we did. That was the formula.

6:34:23 » We did. Our formula is three academics in a room was we

6:34:28 started with a minimum of

6:34:30 two at 300 students plus additional for extra aftercare. For any

6:34:37 one above 300, that was

6:34:41 another one in those increments and then a bunch more.

6:34:48 » It’s just for me one of the number one ways to identify that

6:34:53 we’ve seen across the

6:34:55 country is to use the thermometer check. Individuals are coming

6:34:59 in and it would seem to me that

6:35:01 if there was a way to deploy more to do more tests to block the

6:35:04 actual spread to do that,

6:35:06 it would be advantageous. How much are these things a piece?

6:35:09 » They’re about $60 each. We’re actually down to –

6:35:13 » What?

6:35:14 » Yes, because Don Richer in procurement is amazing. We’re down

6:35:19 to about $46 a thermometer.

6:35:22 » But just remember from earlier, about 50% of the positive COVID

6:35:28 cases do not have a

6:35:29 temperature. So if we’re reliant on that – and that’s my

6:35:33 biggest concern is that we get reliant

6:35:35 on one thing. If the kid doesn’t have a temperature, then they’re

6:35:39 well. Yeah, you have to monitor

6:35:42 across a lot of the symptoms. So, you know, nobody here thought

6:35:47 that we were done ordering.

6:35:48 Not a single one of us. We figured as soon as we stand up school,

6:35:50 we’re going to be like

6:35:51 none of us thought of that. But there have been many of us that

6:35:56 have woken up at 2 in

6:35:57 the morning and come in the next day and said we forgot to talk

6:35:59 about this. And I will tell

6:36:00 you that almost every time one of us had already thought about

6:36:04 it and put in the order and

6:36:06 taken care of it. So, yeah, to your point, if we need to order

6:36:10 more thermometers, we’ll

6:36:11 order more. I just want to be cautious that that’s not the –

6:36:15 that’s not – that’s not

6:36:17 the most reliable factor. It’s about – it’s a case in about 50%

6:36:21 of the positive cases.

6:36:23 » Are we requiring right now in every activity that happens for

6:36:26 our coaches to give a test

6:36:28 thermometer test?

6:36:29 » That is correct. Yeah.

6:36:30 » Okay.

6:36:31 » If I could – but it’s not just a test. They have to – they

6:36:34 have several questions

6:36:36 that they go through with each student. So it is the temperature

6:36:40 plus I think it’s five

6:36:41 or six other questions that students get screened on daily if

6:36:44 they’re in the return to activity

6:36:46 plan. And it had – I’m sorry.

6:36:53 » We felt that when something is optional and extra, that we

6:36:59 could really look at that

6:37:01 circumstance and situation and have some restrictions around its

6:37:05 option. But compulsory education

6:37:07 as our requirement to provide for all students a free and

6:37:11 appropriate public education, so

6:37:14 we waffled in that land, right? Like what makes sense for

6:37:17 somebody who wants to put

6:37:18 themselves in this additional risky situation with a coach

6:37:22 versus our obligation to educate

6:37:24 all students? I don’t know if that makes sense because we had

6:37:30 these discussions at

6:37:31 strange hours. But, you know, we wanted to make sure every

6:37:34 student could be adequately

6:37:36 educated. I don’t know if that makes sense, but that’s what we’re

6:37:43 thinking about.

6:37:44 » I just – we have the thermometers. We’re using them. It

6:37:48 comes down to some person saying

6:37:50 I think that person might have a temperature. I’m going to run

6:37:53 up and check them. I don’t

6:37:54 understand the process there. Like what – why do I have a thermometer

6:37:57 if we’re not checking

6:37:58 the kids when they’re coming in? What is that process? Like what

6:38:01 are – how are we identifying

6:38:02 those children coming in to check their thermometer, to check

6:38:05 them? Like what is that? Like what

6:38:06 do we have them for if we’re not checking every kid as they come

6:38:10 in?

6:38:11 » So it’s not just the tool. It’s the personnel. That’s the

6:38:16 first thing. The second thing is

6:38:18 that what you asked is how are we identifying the students? So

6:38:25 every single school has a

6:38:27 child study team. And every single child study team has students

6:38:31 that they know are more

6:38:32 vulnerable than others, that they know may not have the

6:38:36 foundation or the support of

6:38:38 others. And that would be the first place we turn to to say can

6:38:42 you identify the students

6:38:43 that you know may need an extra screening or may need any

6:38:47 screening because they might

6:38:48 not be being screened at home. That might be in some schools two

6:38:53 kids. That might be

6:38:55 in some schools 200 kids. And then they have to determine how we’re

6:39:00 going to do it, where

6:39:02 we’re going to do it that protects their privacy and is done in

6:39:07 a respectful way. And then

6:39:08 they have to decide who’s going to do it. So in the case of let’s

6:39:13 just say 200 kids,

6:39:15 if we’re at a large high school and we have to screen 200 kids,

6:39:19 who are our available

6:39:20 people, well, our teachers all have a very solid contract that

6:39:23 says what their work hours

6:39:25 are. But they also shouldn’t have to perform a medical screening

6:39:31 on a student before hours.

6:39:33 We do have clinics. We do have a support team. We do have

6:39:38 administrators. But all of those

6:39:41 people have jobs before and after school. So we can manage 200.

6:39:47 We can manage probably

6:39:49 more than that. We can’t manage screening 2200 kids. And so when

6:39:55 we look at what we’re

6:39:56 able to implement and then what we’re able to manage, screening

6:40:01 2200 kids daily is outside

6:40:04 the scope of what we can physically do. If that is the wish of

6:40:09 the board, we’ll figure

6:40:11 it out. But then something else goes because something else goes.

6:40:21 And I guess we’ll have

6:40:23 to figure out what that thing is as well. We felt confident that

6:40:27 our child study teams

6:40:29 in each school could identify our vulnerable students. And we

6:40:32 felt confident that our principals

6:40:34 would develop a process that was fair and respectful and private.

6:40:38 And so that’s why

6:40:39 we wrote it up the way we did. » Is anybody – maybe the DOH

6:40:45 can answer this.

6:40:47 Are you finding that more children that are in areas that have

6:40:50 maybe not the parental

6:40:51 support or having higher COVID rates than kids that are in high

6:40:55 socioeconomic areas,

6:40:56 is there anything there? » I don’t think that one is turned on.

6:41:18 Thank

6:41:18 you, Russell. What we’re finding is most children that are

6:41:26 testing positive, and we are getting

6:41:28 more and more children that are testing positive, most of them

6:41:30 are because it’s a familial group.

6:41:33 Someone in the family, for whatever reason, they’re exposed at

6:41:35 work, they’re exposed at

6:41:36 home, whatever, they come in and they bring it home and we’re

6:41:40 finding a lot of positives

6:41:41 in family clusters. The thing with temperatures, you know,

6:41:47 temperature is, as Chris was saying,

6:41:50 is not an indicative symptom right now. Yes, it is definitely in

6:41:56 the older population,

6:41:58 but in the younger population, temperature is only within about

6:42:02 50% of children. And

6:42:04 with a child, you run into a couple of things. If a child or

6:42:09 even a teenager gets Tylenol

6:42:11 at home or gets some kind of fever-reducing, then temperature is

6:42:15 pretty much, taking temperature

6:42:17 is useless. » We’ve all done that. We’ve sent our kid

6:42:19 to daycare by packing them full of ibuprofen and hoping they can

6:42:22 make it through the end

6:42:23 of the day. » Then that’s exactly, and we see that in

6:42:25 the clinic all the time. So the temperature is really not the

6:42:30 guiding force of what we

6:42:31 decide the kid has to be sent to the clinic or should be sent to

6:42:35 the clinic. You know,

6:42:37 in my years of nursing, when a kid is sick, a kid is sick, for

6:42:41 the most part. You do get

6:42:43 some that, you know, that try to, for a better word, scam. But

6:42:50 when a child is sick, a child

6:42:52 is sick, and they usually don’t play games. And you can tell by

6:42:56 looking at a child, you

6:42:58 know, I’ve had kids that have had 104 temp, haven’t been as sick

6:43:02 as a child that has 100

6:43:04 degree temperature. So a lot of it is an assessment, a visual

6:43:07 assessment. Does that kind of answer

6:43:11 the question? » Yeah, no, no, no. That’s a great question.

6:43:13 Can somebody tell me what that visual assessment looks like? I’m

6:43:16 a teacher right now. I’m getting

6:43:17 ready to start the class day. What am I looking for in my visual

6:43:22 assessment?

6:43:23 » If a child is sick, sometimes they’ll be listless. Sometimes

6:43:26 they’ll be, they can be

6:43:27 pale, they can be sweating, and a kid who’s running around is

6:43:31 going to be sweating. So

6:43:32 you have to, you know, their eyes get kind of glassy, just like

6:43:35 most of us see with our

6:43:36 own children when they’re sick. What I always tell everybody and

6:43:39 what I tell the clinic

6:43:40 nurses, you know, look at your child. If the child is acting

6:43:45 sick, if the child is listless,

6:43:47 if the child is just sitting there, or if the child is just not

6:43:50 themselves and our clinic

6:43:52 nurses get to know their children in the school, as do the

6:43:56 teachers, that’s where I would say,

6:43:59 you know, look at the child. If the child looks sick, call the

6:44:03 parent. Heir on the side

6:44:04 of always putting the child’s health first. So it’s kind of, you

6:44:10 know, when every child

6:44:11 is different, every child presents differently. Obviously, if a

6:44:15 child has a fever, then that’s

6:44:16 entirely –

6:44:17 » My son, my daughters, they will literally hit 103 fever, and

6:44:21 you can’t even tell.

6:44:22 » Correct.

6:44:23 » They’re running around the house, their fevers are up. But

6:44:26 unless I check them, they

6:44:27 won’t know. And so I need to have – Ms. Moore, I need to have

6:44:31 Moore here. Like, I need to

6:44:33 know – I need to know that there’s – because identification is

6:44:37 the key, right, to before

6:44:39 and everything else. And if we’re only truly trying to check the

6:44:43 kids that we leave it

6:44:44 up to the teachers and people to identify, and maybe some of the

6:44:48 kids that we think are

6:44:50 in areas that we don’t have are, you know, these students that

6:44:55 we’ve identified, I think

6:44:58 I feel – and I’m only a board member – that there needs to be

6:45:00 a stronger plan there. I

6:45:02 don’t know, do you guys want to – care to weigh in on that?

6:45:05 That, to me, like, would

6:45:07 you allow a school, if they wanted to screen every kid that came

6:45:10 in for temperatures, would

6:45:12 you give them more of these thermometers?

6:45:13 » Well, can I just – I mean, I just want to offer some

6:45:16 perspectives. You know, we talked

6:45:18 about security, we talked about metal detectors. And the reason

6:45:22 why our sheriff in particular

6:45:24 and many other sheriffs don’t recommend metal detectors is

6:45:27 because you create that – what’s

6:45:29 the word I’m looking for? When you’re all – yeah, you got a

6:45:32 bottleneck and we’re getting

6:45:34 people through. I think we create the same situation here, which

6:45:37 not only is a security

6:45:39 issue because you’ve got 800 kids standing out line, then you

6:45:42 also have 800 kids standing

6:45:44 very close together while you wait to – and those things are

6:45:48 pretty fast, but still you’ve

6:45:50 got 800 kids. So even if you had the personnel and even if we

6:45:53 did it, you know, we’re creating

6:45:56 problems that actually are working against the problem we’re

6:46:00 trying to avoid. So if you

6:46:03 have a kid who’s positive and has a fever standing in the midst

6:46:05 of 50 other kids because

6:46:06 how are you going to – six feet apart, 800 kids waiting to get

6:46:10 into the building? It’s

6:46:11 just not feasible.

6:46:12 » So I would argue that if you had a thermometer for every

6:46:15 teacher before the student came

6:46:17 into the class, they could temperature check every one of their

6:46:20 kids. I do them. I bought

6:46:21 one of these thermometers. I checked it. It’s the second and a

6:46:23 half that it takes. It would

6:46:25 take less than five minutes. You could socially distance the

6:46:28 kids. I just think that when

6:46:29 we turn around and say that, well, we’re going to have 800 kids

6:46:32 standing in one location,

6:46:34 we know that’s not going to happen and we know we can – I feel

6:46:36 we can do better there.

6:46:37 I think that there needs to be a stronger answer to that barrier

6:46:41 to that. I don’t think

6:46:43 – and I’ve been in schools. I mean, I’ve been in schools with 2,000

6:46:45 kids. I taught

6:46:46 at the era. There’s multiple exits. There’s multiple points.

6:46:49 There’s never a point where

6:46:50 when the kids are coming in that you’re going to back up 600

6:46:53 kids, especially if you have

6:46:54 multiple areas. I just – I truly believe that we can’t wave the

6:46:58 white flag here. I

6:47:00 think that this is an area that needs to be stronger. I think we

6:47:03 need to identify these

6:47:04 kids before they come in. I think they need to be sent over to

6:47:08 the area to be quarantined

6:47:09 if there’s an issue and then go. And I think that also that we

6:47:12 need to have a stronger

6:47:15 what that looks like for our teachers right now that are coming

6:47:17 in. If the teachers are

6:47:18 going to be sitting there and we give them the thing that, hey,

6:47:21 if they look sick, send

6:47:22 them down, man, that’s got to be stronger. We’ve got to be

6:47:24 better there. So that’s – I’m

6:47:26 just – some red flags are coming up right now on this thing. So

6:47:29 what is – are the board

6:47:32 members okay? I mean, you want to talk about it, Ms. Deskovich?

6:47:37 Ms. Moore said something about we can’t require teachers to do

6:47:40 checks. Is that in contract?

6:47:42 What can you – I think that’s what you said. Can you expand on

6:47:45 what you said?

6:47:46 » We typically have not been able to require teachers to do any

6:47:50 medical procedures unless

6:47:52 it was in the health plan.

6:47:54 » So I – Mr. Susan, I’m not saying that’s a horrible idea, but

6:47:59 I don’t know how that’s

6:48:01 going to go play out with BFT. Maybe it’s an optional thing.

6:48:05 Like would you be comfortable

6:48:06 with we would provide a thermometer to any teacher that wants to

6:48:10 check their students

6:48:11 every morning on the way in? Like I think that’s a fair thing,

6:48:13 especially if the teacher

6:48:14 wants to protect themselves. We as an organization can provide

6:48:17 that for some screening. But I

6:48:19 don’t know how we make that mandatory without approval from BFT.

6:48:24 And I don’t – you know,

6:48:25 that’s a whole other problem.

6:48:26 » I just think it – and you’re right. To mandate certain

6:48:30 things is very difficult in

6:48:32 the multiple areas that we have, different school settings,

6:48:36 different class segments.

6:48:38 But I truly believe that if there is a group of individuals or

6:48:40 schools that would like

6:48:42 to create that, I would like to give them that option. And as

6:48:44 far as making BFT do something

6:48:46 or not, I think that if I’m a teacher and I wanted to make sure

6:48:49 that the students that

6:48:50 were inside my class, if I could use a thermometer check as they

6:48:53 walk in and it was legal, I

6:48:55 wouldn’t have a problem with that. But it’s just an option. I

6:48:57 can’t speak to BFT. I just

6:48:58 – I’m literally looking at this right now, but it’s a huge

6:49:01 concern that if we have an

6:49:03 individual come into the school and we’re talking about

6:49:05 classrooms being shut down and

6:49:07 schools being shut down, that we need to do everything we can at

6:49:10 the perimeter of that

6:49:11 school to make sure that those students aren’t coming into that

6:49:13 school. Because once they’re

6:49:14 in, then all of a sudden it’s like the popcorn effect where one

6:49:17 school does the cafeteria,

6:49:19 everything else starts to happen. So if we’re so concerned about

6:49:21 turning an entire secondary

6:49:22 program into block scheduling, then I think that one of the

6:49:25 other things that we can try

6:49:26 to do is a stronger perimeter defense as far as identifying kids

6:49:30 inside the thermometer

6:49:31 checks. That’s all. So –

6:49:34 » Does anyone – maybe Mr. Gibbs or I don’t know, maybe – I

6:49:38 know your name, Dr. Thady.

6:49:40 It’s going to be a lot of hours. Is there any concerns with if

6:49:46 this was random, like

6:49:47 class A, B, and C gets screened every morning because those

6:49:51 teachers choose, but class D,

6:49:52 E, and F doesn’t get screened because those teachers choose not

6:49:56 to? Is there any kind

6:49:57 of – is there any legal problem there? Or does it look like we’re

6:50:01 calling out certain

6:50:03 kids and only screening them? Or, you know, is there any issues

6:50:06 that you see with that

6:50:07 legally?

6:50:08 » And add on that extra screening that we’re talking about.

6:50:11 » To what end? Are we sending them home? Every kid that comes

6:50:15 in that’s got a 99 or

6:50:16 100, we’re sending them home? I mean, I could see this turning

6:50:20 into I want to screen kids

6:50:21 so I don’t have 20 kids in my class every day.

6:50:24 » There’s not a single teacher, Mr. Gibbs, in this school

6:50:26 district that would temperature

6:50:27 check kids to try to get them not to come into their classroom.

6:50:30 » I think that that standard maybe come from that.

6:50:33 » Right on.

6:50:34 » Ms. Patty over there, right? You would – what’s the standard

6:50:36 temperature that you

6:50:36 say is sick? I mean, I’ve read, you know, we –

6:50:40 » DOH says 100.4. The school district’s gone to 100 just to

6:50:44 make it a little bit more

6:50:46 clarified for the schools.

6:50:49 » Well, the other thing is that those pointless thermometers

6:50:53 are almost a degree less than

6:50:56 the underarm and undertongue thermometers.

6:50:58 » So I have – I’m just going to lay out concerns. And I know

6:51:02 that we’re getting feedback.

6:51:06 Two big concerns are we take – for our screenings that we do

6:51:10 now, our vision screening, our

6:51:12 hearing screening, we go to great lengths to protect students’

6:51:18 medical privacy. And

6:51:20 I don’t know, given the scenario that you gave, that I could say

6:51:24 that same thing. The

6:51:25 other piece of it is that once those temperatures are checked,

6:51:30 then those students have to go

6:51:33 somewhere. And in elementary school, we don’t send kids alone

6:51:37 anywhere. And so if a teacher

6:51:39 has one student, they’re sending that one student and a second

6:51:44 down to the clinic. And

6:51:45 if we have 10 kids that on that any given day have a temperature,

6:51:50 it doesn’t mean they

6:51:52 have COVID. It means they have a temperature. And now our clinic

6:51:56 staff has 10 kids down

6:51:57 there. So there’s some logistics there in terms of what is

6:52:03 happening there. My biggest

6:52:05 concern remains to be the availability of staff to do that while

6:52:12 they have other tasks

6:52:14 that are supposed to be done in the morning. And my bigger

6:52:18 concern is the private, respectful

6:52:20 screening of children.

6:52:23 » If a student is identified as sweating and sick and

6:52:26 everything else, what’s the process

6:52:28 when they walk into the classroom?

6:52:31 » Well, there’s more to the student is, you know, if a student

6:52:35 comes into my classroom

6:52:37 sweaty, I have to look over and say, well, he’s sweaty because

6:52:39 he was just running, or

6:52:40 he’s sweaty because he looks sick. And then typically, I mean, I

6:52:43 could just tell you typically

6:52:44 a teacher will say, are you okay? And if the kid says I’m

6:52:47 feeling sick, him and a partner

6:52:49 in elementary school walk down to the clinic together. That is a

6:52:52 safety measure. In this

6:52:54 case, it’s not really what we want, is it? But that is what we

6:52:57 do. That’s – yeah, go

6:52:58 ahead.

6:52:59 » And that, you know, I don’t mean to minimize the assessment

6:53:05 of a student, but I guess what

6:53:07 everyone has to – you know, what do you do on a normal day when

6:53:11 a child is sick in the

6:53:13 school? The teachers decide when to send them down. Is that – I’ve

6:53:19 never been a teacher

6:53:20 in a school. So it’s the teacher in the classroom who decides

6:53:24 without taking a temperature based

6:53:27 on what child needs to be sent down to the clinic. I envision

6:53:32 the same level of assessment

6:53:34 from a teacher, not that they have to decide is this a COVID

6:53:39 positive or is this a varicella

6:53:41 or is this something else. It’s just if the teacher knows in

6:53:46 previous COVID that this

6:53:48 child is sick, I don’t think that should change or even suspects

6:53:53 that this child is sick.

6:53:54 I don’t think that should change what they do now that we’re in

6:53:58 a COVID situation. They’re

6:53:59 not – it’s not the teacher’s job to decide who is truly sick

6:54:04 and who is not. That’s the

6:54:05 clinic’s job.

6:54:06 » We just went through a process where we said that the teacher

6:54:09 would be able to identify

6:54:10 via training if there’s a student that exhibits certain symptoms

6:54:14 to get – to be sent down.

6:54:16 » Exactly like they do now.

6:54:17 » Exactly. And at that point, they just say are you not feeling

6:54:19 good and you should go

6:54:20 down, right?

6:54:21 » Correct.

6:54:22 » And what that says is that if I have a thermometer check and

6:54:24 I’m checking those students,

6:54:25 what’s the difference between saying that you don’t look good

6:54:27 and hey, you do have a

6:54:28 temperature, go down. The entire process that you just walked

6:54:31 through where you said I’m

6:54:32 not sure if we really want to walk them down, you’re saying that

6:54:35 that’s what’s going to

6:54:36 happen anyway if the COVID test is positive through that

6:54:39 evaluation. What’s the difference

6:54:41 between the thermometer doing the same?

6:54:46 » We – our recommendation was on the aggregate of information

6:54:53 on what we heard from our health

6:54:57 department, what we know of routine clinic operations, the

6:55:01 feedback we’ve gotten, the

6:55:04 research we’ve done. But we with absolute certainty, the three

6:55:11 of us as leading the

6:55:13 task force are presenting you our recommendation based on that

6:55:18 information. We believe that

6:55:20 every aspect of these preventatives, there’s, again, all sides

6:55:24 to it. And we will absolutely

6:55:26 respect the direction of the board. And we wanted to provide

6:55:31 where we landed after many

6:55:33 – we talked about teachers. We talked about all of those things.

6:55:37 We were actually a little

6:55:39 uncomfortable requiring it of our teachers. But we absolutely

6:55:45 respect the board’s direction

6:55:46 on this topic. This isn’t a topic that we’re drawing a line in

6:55:51 the sand because the information

6:55:54 every day is different, right? Kind of like with masks. And so

6:55:58 we are here to support

6:56:00 what the board directs Dr. Mullins on this topic. And I feel

6:56:06 like we discussed this in

6:56:09 advance because we knew, right? We knew this is a tough one to

6:56:14 decide how and where we

6:56:16 draw the line on our level of screening in the schools. And we

6:56:20 are not surmising for

6:56:23 a second that we have the right answer because we don’t know

6:56:26 that there is a right answer.

6:56:28 It was our recommendation just based on the aggregate of

6:56:30 information. But we totally recognize

6:56:34 some of the questions you’re asking are valid and reasonable and

6:56:38 not illogical. And so –

6:56:40 » I just – did we – when we required the coaches to do a test

6:56:45 and do a checklist, did

6:56:47 we check in with BFT to make sure that that was okay? Because

6:56:50 that’s what –

6:56:50 » These were extra events. These are – this is not part of –

6:56:54 remember the summer workout

6:56:56 is voluntary conditioning. » Okay. But what I’m saying is that

6:56:59 I am asking

6:57:00 to be able to do something that is already in place in policy

6:57:04 and being required of athletic

6:57:06 coaches at a number that is higher than the actual numbers of a

6:57:09 classroom. And you’re

6:57:11 coming back to me and saying that the – that it’s – that we

6:57:13 would have difficulty with

6:57:15 BFT, that we wouldn’t be able to do it because of time

6:57:17 constraints, that we would have people

6:57:19 that are backed up because of – I’m trying – what I’m trying

6:57:23 to do is find out if there’s

6:57:24 one – if we’re allowing it or enforcing it to be done on one

6:57:27 end, why is it that we’re

6:57:29 not on another end? » Mr. Susan, may I answer – add to that?

6:57:35 We have summer school going on live and right now 13 of our

6:57:40 elementary schools and we are

6:57:42 not doing temperature checks. » Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t.

6:57:45 » No. But I just wanted to let you know that the athletics is

6:57:49 different to the instruction

6:57:51 that’s occurring right now. We are transporting students and we

6:57:58 are not doing temperature

6:58:00 checks. The thermometers are available in the school right now

6:58:04 at all these sites as

6:58:05 well as hand sanitizer. And we’re seeing if any of – any of

6:58:12 these processes that we’ve

6:58:14 developed are actually working in real time. So I just wanted

6:58:18 you to be aware we are not

6:58:20 doing them right now. » Also, Mr. Susan, may I – we are

6:58:25 meeting

6:58:26 with BFT and we’re meeting with them I believe a week from today.

6:58:29 And I know this will be

6:58:30 a topic of discussion and, you know, so I don’t want it to be

6:58:33 surmised that we’re going

6:58:35 to have trouble with that because I don’t believe that to be the

6:58:37 case. I think it’s

6:58:39 ultimately the guidance that we get from the CDC and the DOH and

6:58:42 guidance from the board

6:58:44 and direction from the board on what you want us to do. But BFT

6:58:47 is part of the conversation

6:58:48 and we are absolutely meeting with them next week to work

6:58:52 through an MOA. So I just wanted

6:58:53 you to be aware of that. » Is there any way to meet with them

6:58:55 prior

6:58:55 to us actually implementing the plan and asking them if they’re

6:58:58 going to have any pushback

6:58:59 on us actually allowing our teachers to temperature check at the

6:59:03 doors? Here’s – and I’m sorry

6:59:04 to keep beating a dead horse, but if we know that 50% of the

6:59:07 cases that are coming into

6:59:09 our schools are going to have a temperature, right, and we’re

6:59:13 not identifying a solid plan

6:59:14 to identify those with either thermometers or whatever it is,

6:59:18 then I think we need to

6:59:20 do a better job there. And if we’re already requiring our

6:59:23 coaches to go through a format

6:59:25 list of all this other stuff with teams that are actually larger

6:59:29 size than the classrooms,

6:59:31 I would argue that we are not in an area that that is an issue

6:59:36 to require it.

6:59:37 » If I may, I just keep thinking back to two years ago when I

6:59:41 was having a fit about

6:59:42 our lice policy, and – you remember this, Ms. Cline?

6:59:46 » I do, and I had already had – we’ve had that conversation.

6:59:49 » The same discussion. Like, the school was not allowed to tell

6:59:52 us even which classroom

6:59:53 the student was identified in that had lice so that the other

6:59:57 students could be aware.

7:00:00 It’s still a ridiculous policy to me. But the reasoning you all

7:00:03 told me, you said it

7:00:04 came from the Department of Health, I think. » No, that policy

7:00:07 didn’t come from DOH. That

7:00:09 came from the American Academy of Pediatrics, the CDC’s

7:00:12 recommendation.

7:00:13 » Some of the reasoning was the student’s privacy and I guess,

7:00:16 you know, historically

7:00:18 other students now pick on that student because they – and we

7:00:20 couldn’t pull the student out

7:00:22 right then. I mean, it’s a huge deal for lice. And I know these

7:00:27 are very different circumstances,

7:00:28 but if we have a line of students at the door and we pull Joey

7:00:33 and Susie, you hear it right

7:00:36 now, right? Ooh, they got the Rona. You could hear the kids.

7:00:39 Kids are kids. And so now they’ve

7:00:41 been identified. Then they don’t come back for 14 days. I’m not

7:00:45 saying we don’t do it

7:00:46 because of that, Mr. Susan. I’m just saying is this now a

7:00:50 concern? Because you guys – I

7:00:51 think you all told me the lice thing was violating their privacy

7:00:55 rights. Does this violate their

7:00:57 privacy rights? Or if we’re going to allow teachers – I don’t

7:01:02 think – I’m not comfortable

7:01:04 with the mandating. If BFT wants to come forward and put in

7:01:07 their contract the teachers they

7:01:09 want us to require, then I’m okay with that. But I like the idea

7:01:13 of maybe us providing

7:01:15 if a teacher wants one for their classroom, but not if it’s

7:01:18 going to violate the privacy

7:01:19 rights of the student. There’s my –

7:01:21 » I think there’s that balance there with privacy rights of

7:01:23 students because, you know,

7:01:24 I do recall the argument over head lice and I know exactly where

7:01:28 the policy came from

7:01:29 and it is CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics. And, you know,

7:01:33 I think there’s further discussion

7:01:35 that needs to happen. I think we’ve got – we are on – we’re on

7:01:39 the two sides of the fence

7:01:41 on that on safety and health of everybody around and maintaining

7:01:45 privacy of teachers

7:01:46 and students and staff members. And I think it’s a delicate

7:01:49 balance. And we just have

7:01:50 to work through all those balances to make it work in our

7:01:53 schools.

7:01:54 » And I couldn’t agree with you more because I know that that’s

7:01:55 what’s going to happen

7:01:56 if an individual is identified. But I feel that we have to be

7:01:59 stronger here in this part

7:02:01 of the thing. I think that there needs to be some way of

7:02:03 identifying these kids. Because

7:02:05 if you’re saying that we’re not – if you’re saying that we’re

7:02:08 not identifying kids as

7:02:09 they’re coming in, you’re saying that we can’t pull them out, we

7:02:12 can’t send them down, we

7:02:13 can’t – I mean, then all of a sudden everything we’re trying to

7:02:15 do to protect the kids from

7:02:17 COVID becomes, you know, not as valid as what we could be. So

7:02:21 all I’m asking is, is that

7:02:23 if you guys can find a way to – and maybe I’m speaking as an

7:02:27 individual, not for the

7:02:29 board, but just to find a way to set up a stronger perimeter to

7:02:32 try to stop any of this

7:02:33 – a way to catch the kids before they’re coming on. I don’t

7:02:38 know. I mean, I don’t know,

7:02:41 buses?

7:02:42 » If I can just summarize where we’re at, just, you know, so we

7:02:45 know the direction of

7:02:46 the board and moving forward. I don’t believe we have a

7:02:51 reference card or a reference sheet

7:02:54 of typical symptoms or signs to be aware of and look for for

7:02:59 illness. Perhaps we could

7:03:02 work with the health department to put that together to make

7:03:04 that resource available to

7:03:05 our teachers, you know, that Patty referenced to some things as

7:03:10 well. The committee met

7:03:12 obviously worked through a lot of the same struggles and

7:03:15 challenges that have been presented.

7:03:17 We’re presenting the recommendation based on all of that

7:03:20 consideration. But clearly

7:03:24 this is why we’re here for the discussion, is to receive the

7:03:27 direction of the board if

7:03:28 we – if it is the wishes of the board to move in either a

7:03:32 different direction, a modified

7:03:35 direction or so on. I would – I’ll perhaps dangerously speak on

7:03:40 behalf of the team. I

7:03:42 believe it is feasibly very challenging to daily screen every

7:03:49 student as they walk into

7:03:52 the school just by sheer numbers, whether it’s a small school

7:03:55 and the availability of

7:03:56 staff or a large school and the availability of staff. Is it

7:04:01 manageable once they reach

7:04:03 their classroom? That seems like it could be more feasible than

7:04:10 otherwise. It would

7:04:12 require discussion with BFT agreement from them. I think that

7:04:18 conversation – I don’t

7:04:19 see any reason why we can’t at least have a conversation with

7:04:22 union leadership prior

7:04:23 to Tuesday. I don’t have a problem with that. And we could

7:04:27 certainly pursue that. The only

7:04:29 other element that I want to make the board aware of for the

7:04:33 discussion and then ultimately

7:04:35 direction, if we move in the direction of additional thermometers

7:04:40 for staff, rough estimate

7:04:42 at $46, $45 to $50 apiece for the additional teachers who would

7:04:46 require them outside the

7:04:48 ones we already have, it’s probably a hundred – just under a $200,000

7:04:52 investment. Could

7:04:53 it be paid for out of CARES Act? I fully suspect it could. Quick

7:04:58 question, would it qualify

7:04:59 as a FEMA reimbursement? Yes. I feel very strongly that it would

7:05:06 be one of those items

7:05:07 that we could do a CARES Act FEMA split on. And so two issues,

7:05:14 and Ms. Lazinski is trying

7:05:17 to keep from having a heart attack over there. We were front-loading

7:05:22 expenses. So none of

7:05:23 these funds are magically here. So all of these items we talked

7:05:27 about, prioritizing

7:05:29 to be in people’s hands. We have funded through district funds

7:05:33 and then anticipate as soon

7:05:35 as CARES Act arrives to be able to do expenditure transfers on

7:05:38 the expenses that can be covered

7:05:40 with CARES Act and then submit all the reimbursements for FEMA.

7:05:45 And we feel really confident that

7:05:46 the thermometer would be a qualifying expense. And I don’t

7:05:51 foresee any reason, and I’ve read

7:05:54 it all. So I feel really comfortable about that. And again, you

7:05:58 know, we await your guidance

7:05:59 from the direction of the board. And we would need – Mr. Gibbs,

7:06:04 we would need to know that

7:06:06 line that Dr. Thede was talking about. It is one thing to send a

7:06:12 kid with symptoms to

7:06:14 the clinic because you have evidence that the child may be ill.

7:06:20 It is another to screen

7:06:23 every child and have it not be a private screening where you don’t

7:06:30 have a presumption that you

7:06:32 are protecting the common good. So if you could do a little

7:06:36 research there, I think

7:06:38 that’s my biggest missing piece here. » And if I could just say,

7:06:45 if the confidence

7:06:47 of the public doesn’t – isn’t there and they don’t send their

7:06:49 kids to our schools for every

7:06:50 hundred kids is $800,000. So when I say that this perimeter and

7:06:54 everything else, it’s part

7:06:56 of me as a father for my daughter but also other parents that

7:06:59 are out there trying to

7:07:00 say they want to know that our schools are the safest they can

7:07:03 be. And this is a big

7:07:05 deal for me as a board member, I feel. And I may be wrong. We

7:07:08 may come out of this meeting

7:07:09 and everybody might say no, we’re fine. That doesn’t matter. But

7:07:13 just from the gut right

7:07:14 now, this was a scary part. All right. » I’m happy to look at

7:07:19 that. My question

7:07:20 still is to what end? Do they go home for that day? Or are we

7:07:25 saying you’re out for

7:07:26 two weeks? Or until you bring us a negative test? We can’t make

7:07:30 them take a test. We can’t

7:07:32 send them to DOH and say you have to be tested. They’re not

7:07:35 going to force them to be tested.

7:07:37 So my question is to what end? Because there’s also going to be

7:07:40 due process. Because if you’re

7:07:42 kicking them out of school for two weeks, you’re denying them

7:07:46 education.

7:07:47 » Can somebody tell me at what point we are going to tell kids

7:07:51 to stay out for two weeks?

7:07:52 Since it’s pointed – it’s brought up? » Yeah, sure. A couple

7:07:55 of – well, when we

7:07:56 get to COVID, I’ll tell you, but I’ll say it now. A student is

7:07:59 going to be out for two

7:08:01 weeks if they are a contact to a familial case. So if a family

7:08:06 member is positive for

7:08:07 COVID, they would be – and they would be – I need to wait

7:08:12 until we get to the COVID

7:08:15 section. Do you know how many times that Patty Seibert and I get

7:08:17 on the phone and say I know

7:08:18 I know this? And then we walk through it again. So they would be

7:08:22 out for two weeks. If they’re

7:08:23 a presumptive case, they would be out for two weeks.

7:08:26 » How would a presumptive case? » A presumptive case is they

7:08:28 have a family

7:08:29 member who has COVID and they’re showing symptoms.

7:08:32 » So a student shows up at our school and has symptoms, and we

7:08:35 are capable and able

7:08:36 to send them home for 14 days? » If they have a family member

7:08:39 that has a

7:08:40 positive case that they live with. » Which has to be self-reported.

7:08:44 » When I started that whole section, it was based on the

7:08:47 premise that our strongest ally

7:08:48 is our families. If families do the temperature check and do the

7:08:53 health screening, if they

7:08:54 don’t send their students to school sick, if they tell us when

7:08:58 they have a family member

7:08:59 that tests positive, if we don’t have them as an ally, that

7:09:03 perimeter – there’s no way

7:09:06 we’re going to be able to do like you said and have a strong

7:09:08 perimeter because we’re

7:09:10 going to have a whole lot of asymptomatic kids coming to school

7:09:12 that may be shedding

7:09:13 the virus because they have sick family members. Or they took a

7:09:16 Tylenol before they got on

7:09:18 the bus. So those are some of the reasons why students might be

7:09:22 sent home for two weeks.

7:09:24 » And I’m trying to get this straight. There’s a student that

7:09:28 is in a class of a teacher,

7:09:29 they identify them as having the symptoms. They send them down

7:09:33 to the front office, and

7:09:35 they can’t be – they can’t stay there, they can’t be sent home,

7:09:38 they can’t be anything?

7:09:41 » They can be sent home, but not for – the question was for

7:09:45 two weeks. Based on what?

7:09:47 We can’t force them to take a test. The family can say to us –

7:09:50 » Okay. But that process is something that we can identify and

7:09:54 send the same process

7:09:55 through if they’re identified with a thermometer, if they’re

7:09:58 identified by asymptomatic or identified

7:10:00 as anything. And he’s asking at what point do we start – well,

7:10:02 we’ll get into those

7:10:03 in the next couple of slides, I guess. But the identification

7:10:07 process is that we can

7:10:08 identify a kid that has symptoms and put them inside of the

7:10:12 health and call their parents.

7:10:14 That is part of the legal process. Okay.

7:10:16 » But we’ve always been able to – yes.

7:10:18 » No doubt. That’s why I was questionable about it. Okay. How

7:10:23 are we going to verify

7:10:24 to fidelity the contact information for each one of the legal

7:10:27 guardians? So I’m trying

7:10:29 to call, you know, and I don’t get this because that’s a key,

7:10:32 right? In many of the areas

7:10:34 where we have students that may not have guardians that come

7:10:37 pick them up, this is the hardest

7:10:39 area. So what is the plan there to make sure that the fidelity

7:10:41 of all those are taken care

7:10:42 of?

7:10:43 » Well, it starts at registration. So we’ve continually added

7:10:47 word verbiage to our registration

7:10:50 paperwork about what an emergency contact is, who they are, and

7:10:53 how they get inputted.

7:10:55 We ask that that registration paperwork be done every single

7:10:58 year. We input it every

7:10:59 single year. Once parents have notified us that that’s an

7:11:04 emergency contact, that doesn’t

7:11:05 mean that person has carte blanche to show up and pick up a

7:11:09 student. If somebody comes

7:11:10 in to pick up a student and they’re on the emergency list, we

7:11:14 still have an obligation

7:11:15 to call the parent and say, “Do you know this person is here to

7:11:19 pick up your child?” And

7:11:20 in a case of an emergency pickup, we would make the assumption

7:11:22 that we’ve spoken to the

7:11:24 parent, they have informed us who the emergency pickup is, and

7:11:27 we ask for ID.

7:11:28 » So I – and I get that. I was just saying we – the first

7:11:32 bullet says all parent – we

7:11:34 shouldn’t verify that they have accurate information. So are we

7:11:37 going to take all of the registration

7:11:39 and then somebody is calling each one of those numbers and emailing

7:11:43 for verification? So

7:11:45 meaning that how do we know that the numbers that we have inside

7:11:48 the system are valid?

7:11:50 Who is verifying that? What is the verification process of that?

7:11:53 » With all due respect, Mr. Susan, even if we verified it on

7:11:56 the day of registration,

7:11:57 we have so much mobility in our community and people who have

7:12:00 changed phone numbers

7:12:02 and change – like we could verify it today and tomorrow it’s

7:12:05 going to be wrong.

7:12:06 » For the – for a portion. So I – it just said when the

7:12:10 speech came – when the piece

7:12:11 came out, it said that one of the most important things is

7:12:14 having verified contact information

7:12:16 of our people. And that’s what I was asking.

7:12:18 » Sure.

7:12:19 » So are we not – we’re not verifying, we’re not following up,

7:12:21 we’re not doing any of that

7:12:22 stuff. We’re just taking it in at registration and we’re good or

7:12:25

7:12:25 » It may be poor – a poor word to put there, but the way that

7:12:30 we view the verification

7:12:33 is that every year we ask parents to update their information

7:12:37 and every year a clerk gets

7:12:39 that updated information, brings it up on AS400, fixes what

7:12:44 needs to be fixed. And then

7:12:46 that is what we are considering our verification. It might be

7:12:50 better if we had used the word

7:12:51 updated as opposed to verified.

7:12:53 » And then we wouldn’t know until the time of – that we have

7:12:57 an – something happens

7:12:58 whether that’s, you know, discipline or whatever that we contact

7:13:01 the parent if that’s a valid

7:13:02 one. And you’re right, Steve, because there’s a lot of the kids

7:13:06 move around. If we have

7:13:07 a student that’s inside of – that’s showing symptoms that’s

7:13:10 inside of the clinic and their

7:13:12 parents don’t come up and get them, what’s the plan there? Or is

7:13:14 that later on in the

7:13:15 list?

7:13:16 » No, no, no. That’s in this section. They would be in a –

7:13:20 they would be put in a separate

7:13:21 space. Each school was asked to identify a separate space. That

7:13:25 is one of those cases

7:13:26 where the student would have to wear a face mask and we would

7:13:28 continue to make efforts

7:13:29 to call the parents. At some point we would, you know, we would

7:13:35 – what? We would – yeah.

7:13:37 At some point we would have to get an outside agency involved if

7:13:40 we couldn’t eventually

7:13:41 reach a parent.

7:13:42 » That’s at like the end of the day, teachers are going home,

7:13:45 that kind of stuff.

7:13:46 » Yeah. It – we are aware there are certain areas in our

7:13:49 district that certain employers

7:13:51 that do not allow parents to get phone calls, you know, period

7:13:55 the end. But we’re also aware

7:13:57 that there are – and that there are some limitations to

7:14:01 communication. But at some

7:14:03 point we need to get outside agencies involved if we can’t get a

7:14:06 sick child.

7:14:06 » Absolutely. And then if there’s a – I know that if a student

7:14:09 breaks an arm or does

7:14:09 something like that, we transport them, right? Is there a level

7:14:12 or a threshold at which the

7:14:14 student is exhibiting signs of a high fever, the parents aren’t

7:14:17 going, that we transport

7:14:18 them to the hospital? Is that true too?

7:14:20 » That is absolutely true. Our nurses make that decision for us.

7:14:23 Well, in combination

7:14:24 with the school administrator, any time there’s a question if a

7:14:28 child’s health is in danger

7:14:29 or life is in danger, we call an ambulance. And then we become

7:14:33 – to be frank, we become

7:14:34 in local parentis up until the point that we can pass off to a

7:14:37 parent.

7:14:38 » So here’s the next question. The extra room that you’re

7:14:41 talking about that’s set

7:14:42 aside for the students to come into, that nurse then has to go

7:14:46 sit with the students

7:14:48 inside that classroom or that area? And if so, who is covering

7:14:52 the front medications

7:14:54 and all of that stuff?

7:14:55 » That area has to have line of sight supervision. It doesn’t

7:14:58 necessarily mean the nurse is going

7:14:59 to leave the clinic because you’re absolutely 100% right. That’s

7:15:03 a – that point we went

7:15:04 over and over is that that nurse has another job and that nurse

7:15:07 needs to be available for

7:15:08 that other job.

7:15:10 » So that student just has to be in an area where there’s a

7:15:13 line of sight and be quarantined

7:15:14 in an area that is not with anybody else?

7:15:17 » Yeah.

7:15:18 » And all of those rooms that you’re talking about at each one

7:15:21 of the schools is going

7:15:22 to be within line of sight of the nurse?

7:15:25 » I can’t answer that. It’s going to be different in different

7:15:29 schools. It might be a clerk

7:15:30 that’s in there. We might have to put an IA in there. It might

7:15:35 be an open door from the

7:15:37 secretary’s office to the hallway, you know. There’s all

7:15:40 different variations of that.

7:15:42 » And if you have two kids?

7:15:44 » We’re getting rough. It’s getting tough.

7:15:46 » No, but I mean can you put two kids in the same room?

7:15:49 » Shouldn’t.

7:15:50 » So now we have to have multiple areas.

7:15:52 » Shouldn’t happen.

7:15:54 » Our principals know to set off a couple of extra areas, right?

7:15:58 » We’ve – they are all working on their plans.

7:16:01 » Okay.

7:16:02 » It is – all of these conversations, every last one of them

7:16:06 have been kind of ending

7:16:07 with this is a no-win scenario. We can’t solve all of these

7:16:12 issues and we can’t address all

7:16:15 of these concerns. What’s the best that we can do? And so as it

7:16:20 relates to the clinic,

7:16:21 we know we need to isolate kids who might possibly have COVID.

7:16:25 We know we need to depend

7:16:27 on our families to answer our call. And if we don’t have that

7:16:33 answer, we’re going to

7:16:34 be in a rough spot.

7:16:35 » Let me ask you this. We have 16 locations that we have

7:16:38 vacancies for our school nurses

7:16:40 or our – so we will have a nurse at every location?

7:16:44 » I can’t say we’re going to have a nurse at every location,

7:16:47 but we don’t have 16 locations

7:16:48 without a nurse.

7:16:49 » We have –

7:16:50 » I was talking about vacancies. A lot of those are the floaters.

7:16:55 So I think when we

7:16:56 left last year, I think we had less than four vacancies. And so

7:17:01 we’ll be training the staff

7:17:04 and they’ll be hiring, but, you know, I know this is a horrible

7:17:08 answer. The health department

7:17:10 is in the same position as Brevard Public Schools. Sometimes

7:17:14 vacancies go unfilled and

7:17:15 we do the best we can.

7:17:17 » And if there’s a vacancy at the school, the responsibility of

7:17:21 the transition from

7:17:22 students and dispensing medication falls upon the secretary that’s

7:17:26 there that takes training?

7:17:28 Can you explain that to me?

7:17:29 » Sure. There’s actually – the part of the contract is that

7:17:33 two school board employees

7:17:34 have to be trained at every site. It’s not necessarily the

7:17:38 secretary. It can be any two

7:17:40 employees that are designated by the principal. Typically it is

7:17:45 a clerk or a bookkeeper or

7:17:46 the secretary. And they go through training with the Department

7:17:50 of Health and then they

7:17:51 get an individual training at the school to go over, you know,

7:17:55 specific medications and

7:17:57 health plans of students. And when the nurse is out, if we can

7:18:03 – if there’s a floater

7:18:05 available, they’ll put a floater in there for the day. If a floater

7:18:08 isn’t available,

7:18:09 we depend on the school-based personnel.

7:18:12 » Okay. Thank you. Hang on just a second. Let me just make sure

7:18:19 I don’t have anyone

7:18:21 else.

7:18:22 » Did I miss anything with that, Patty?

7:18:23 » No, you didn’t.

7:18:24 » Okay.

7:18:25 » Oh, real quick question. In elementary schools, on slide

7:18:27 number 29, it says all bathrooms

7:18:29 will be cleaned and stockpiled multiple times throughout the day.

7:18:33 Students go to the restroom

7:18:35 consistently throughout the day inside of our elementary schools.

7:18:38 Is it going to be

7:18:39 the guidance that they’re to clean the restroom every time after

7:18:42 a student uses that? Or are

7:18:43 they looking at allowing time periods to use – to clean that

7:18:47 restroom? Does that make

7:18:50 sense?

7:18:51 » Sue, can you –

7:18:52 » Does that make sense?

7:18:53 » – better able to answer that question?

7:18:54 » That’s a very good question. We’re going to have to think

7:18:58 about that.

7:18:59 » Just because of a teacher, there was a – there was some data

7:19:03 that showed that after

7:19:05 the launch, there was some stuff that went through our sewers

7:19:07 and that there might be

7:19:08 something there. So if there’s an opportunity there to have to

7:19:10 clean, we just need to let

7:19:12 our staff know ahead of time that that’s something that they

7:19:15 need to do.

7:19:16 » Thanks for bringing that up.

7:19:19 » And then I read down here on page 30 at the bottom, the last

7:19:23 bullet says misconduct

7:19:24 on the bus will result in disciplinary action that may include

7:19:28 suspension from the bus.

7:19:29 Are we redoing our entire disciplinary policy that this is a

7:19:33 number 10 when you are – you

7:19:36 know, we see the behavior of individuals that is not conducive

7:19:39 to the health of our – healthy

7:19:41 environment of our students, the behavior of individuals that

7:19:45 may think that it’s funny

7:19:46 to run around and act a certain way that puts kids at risk. Are

7:19:50 we putting that at a level

7:19:51 10 when it comes to disciplinary policy or are we just going to

7:19:56 kind of continue down

7:19:57 the – you see what I mean?

7:19:58 » Yeah, I understand.

7:19:59 » Are you bringing a change there for us?

7:20:02 » We had not gone that far. A lot of times when we looked at

7:20:06 the infractions that could

7:20:08 cause, you know, for example, spitting, biting, misconduct, I’m

7:20:17 trying to think of all the

7:20:21 other ones I could touch on, they were already there. But I

7:20:24 think that we do need to take

7:20:25 a second look at that, which we haven’t done. So I can bring

7:20:29 that to the discipline committee

7:20:30 and they can take a look at behaviors that students might engage

7:20:32 in willfully. Willful

7:20:34 disobedience, that’s the other one I was trying to think of

7:20:36 besides misconduct. A lot of times

7:20:38 it falls – a lot of their actions fall under willful

7:20:41 disobedience. And so we can use the

7:20:43 range of corrective actions under willful disobedience to handle

7:20:47 that.

7:20:48 » I just – I know kids are going to fight. I know they’re

7:20:50 going to do stuff. We know

7:20:51 it’s all – it’s kids’ nature, right? But it’s those individuals

7:20:54 that are using this

7:20:55 as a game or something like that to play. We’ve seen it in the

7:20:57 society where people

7:20:59 are doing it. I, as a board member, would like to see a stronger

7:21:03 disciplinary policy

7:21:04 on students that think that this is something that should be

7:21:06 played around. So if they’re

7:21:08 on the bus and they start trying to goof off and stuff like that,

7:21:11 we need to stop that

7:21:12 before it starts. That’s all. And I don’t know how to do that.

7:21:15 That’s your guys’ job,

7:21:16 but I just –

7:21:17 » Yeah, I think what we could do is get our discipline

7:21:19 committee together just to look

7:21:21 to see where within the scope of our plan as it is those things

7:21:25 fall and if that needs

7:21:27 to be addressed. So we’ll look at that for you.

7:21:30 » And then just a curiosity, because this is my kids’ – mobile

7:21:35 feeding will operate

7:21:36 for e-learning and distance learning, right? Is that going to be

7:21:41 mobile to me means my

7:21:43 O’Gally corridor kids that are getting fed inside those – you

7:21:45 know, the meadows and

7:21:46 all my low end – my housing developments. Is that what that is?

7:21:52 Or are we talking that

7:21:53 they’re able to come get, like you said, a meal at the school?

7:21:56 What are we looking at

7:21:57 there?

7:21:58 » Yeah, I believe, and I would have to –

7:21:59 » It is the same plan that we used this summer. We’ll have

7:22:04 sites. Some – if we go to distance

7:22:08 learning, it’ll be site based. If we’re at e-learning, we can –

7:22:13 Mr. Thornton’s working

7:22:15 on his team on is it a school by school elementary school. So

7:22:20 depending if we’re at distance

7:22:23 learning because we’re closed, or we’re e-learning because a

7:22:28 parent shows.

7:22:30 » One more clarification, if a single school is closed for

7:22:36 distance learning, that school

7:22:39 would be the site. It wouldn’t be a central site. And so central

7:22:43 sites would be if the

7:22:45 whole district closes. Mr. Thornton would ensure that all

7:22:50 students have meal options

7:22:51 if we as an organization close the school.

7:22:57 » So operations sits on the response team. And I think it’s

7:23:00 really important for everybody

7:23:02 to understand that the response team is going to be responding

7:23:06 to different situations across

7:23:08 the district. And we can’t begin to understand how often or how

7:23:14 different that they’re going

7:23:16 to be. So I know that everybody’s tired of the word flexibility,

7:23:21 but in some of the answers

7:23:24 to the questions, our answer really is we don’t know because we

7:23:27 don’t know what that

7:23:28 situation is going to be, that specific situation. But our goal

7:23:32 is to meet the needs of kids.

7:23:34 And I think Kevin Thornton has demonstrated that and will

7:23:38 continue to do so.

7:23:39 » He’s been phenomenal. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And then on page 32,

7:23:45 it says clinic areas

7:23:46 will be cleaned throughout the day. There’s a lot of – I guess

7:23:50 what I’m asking is that

7:23:52 there’s – what I’m getting at with a couple of these is there

7:23:56 seems to be this massive

7:23:58 amount of cleaning that needs to be done. And I think it – when

7:24:03 I look at it, it says

7:24:04 custodians. It says areas. It says custodians. Are we looking at

7:24:09 a combined effort site by

7:24:11 site so you’re leaving it up to the principal to come up with

7:24:14 this is you tell us how you’re

7:24:15 going to do it because that’s the appropriate? Or are we going

7:24:22 to – are we going to try

7:24:24 to make the custodians be the cleaning force behind it? Does

7:24:28 that make sense to you?

7:24:29 » Yeah. I can say I know Jim has worked with the head custodians

7:24:35 to develop a plan for

7:24:38 how often and where. And part of what we have talked about is

7:24:42 what happens in between. Like

7:24:44 it will be very challenging for the way we staff custodians

7:24:48 right now to be able to push

7:24:49 into every class in between classes and clean. So something has

7:24:53 to happen there. And whether

7:24:55 – how we’re going to help in those areas. I doubt I framed that

7:25:01 very well. But I know

7:25:03 that Jim Powers has been working on it. » Yeah. I don’t really

7:25:07 have much to add.

7:25:08 But I think it’s sort of a combined logistical challenge. The

7:25:11 schools have to be part of

7:25:13 it. We at the district have to provide some guidance. And it’s

7:25:16 just a matter of these

7:25:18 are the boots we have on the ground. And we have to work within

7:25:21 those resources.

7:25:22 » In my envisioned mind, it’s a combination of the teachers

7:25:25 taking care of their classroom,

7:25:27 the custodians taking care of those other areas. Is that what

7:25:29 you’re saying? It’s kind

7:25:30 of a combined effort that’s locally based at the school in order

7:25:33 for them to do that.

7:25:34 And that comes up with the principal working with their staff on

7:25:37 identifying those things?

7:25:38 » I would say that’s accurate. » Okay. Okay. And if somebody

7:25:46 – and this

7:25:46 may be inappropriate now. It might be better for the end. I’m

7:25:50 looking at today being the

7:25:52 ninth and the students coming back in early August. Do you guys

7:25:56 have a timeline of we

7:25:58 will have all of our trainings prepared and ready here? Custodians

7:26:03 will start to receive

7:26:05 training here. Students will come back here. You know what I

7:26:09 mean? Like a timeline of this

7:26:11 is what we – do we have that somewhere for the staff to see?

7:26:16 » We do not. » Okay. Okay. Okay. Let’s see. One more.

7:26:24 Okay. That was the training time. Okay. Thank you.

7:26:37 » Ms. McDougall, did you have any additional questions you

7:26:41 wanted to circle back to?

7:26:43 » No. I think I’m good. » Okay. So I have – Patty, if you

7:26:52 would indulge

7:26:54 me with some maybe not exactly on point questions but I think

7:26:58 they’re important for our community

7:27:00 and for us to understand kind of going forward. Looking at

7:27:04 recommendations and we’ve got within

7:27:07 this we’ve got the recommendations from the AAP and the CDC and

7:27:10 you all obviously have

7:27:11 been working closely with our team as well on recommendations of

7:27:15 various aspects. And

7:27:16 one of the things that I found in going through a lot of those

7:27:21 and looking specifically at

7:27:24 the intensity of mitigation strategies I guess is probably the

7:27:29 best way to put it. There

7:27:31 was lots of reference in all of these plans really that talked

7:27:36 about level of transmission

7:27:39 in the community. And even the executive orders indicated that

7:27:42 we should work with our local

7:27:43 health officials to identify the level of transmission in our

7:27:48 community. And what I’m

7:27:50 struggling with as far as communicating with folks in our

7:27:53 community around the issues is

7:27:55 that there seem to be lots of data points around our community’s

7:28:00 condition with regard

7:28:01 to COVID. But there don’t seem to be a lot of functional metrics.

7:28:07 So for example, we

7:28:09 can identify how many people have been infected since the start

7:28:12 of it. We can identify hospital

7:28:13 beds. We can identify death rates. We can identify percent of

7:28:19 positives, right? But

7:28:21 we don’t really have any way to measure what that means. So if

7:28:23 my child comes home with

7:28:25 a 50, I’m going to assume that’s an F because we have a grading

7:28:31 scale of so many numbers.

7:28:33 But maybe in someone else’s grading scale an F, a 50 is an A. So

7:28:38 how are we measuring

7:28:39 our community’s health with regard to COVID and what functional

7:28:44 metrics should we be looking

7:28:46 at as leadership in the organization to determine we’re going in

7:28:49 a good direction, we’re going

7:28:51 in a bad direction, what we’re doing is working, what we’re

7:28:55 doing isn’t working?

7:28:56 » What I can tell you in the past month, our positivity rate

7:29:01 has increased significantly.

7:29:03 And that’s what we look at. What is the amount – what are the

7:29:06 amounts of people that are

7:29:08 being tested that are actually showing positive? We don’t look

7:29:11 at whether they’re asymptomatic

7:29:13 or symptomatic when you’re just looking at the overall. I can

7:29:17 tell you as of this morning

7:29:18 our positivity rate is 11.5%. And that means of all the tests

7:29:23 that we did, and I don’t

7:29:24 have the exact number off the top of my head, but I can tell you

7:29:28 Eastern Florida State is

7:29:29 doing 1,000 a day. We’re doing 150 a day across the street. And

7:29:34 then you’ve got different

7:29:35 agencies and organizations that are also testing. Right now our

7:29:39 positivity rate is 11.5. Last

7:29:42 month we were down to around four. So we have had a significant

7:29:48 change in the past month.

7:29:52 Will that mean that we will continue on this path? I sure hope

7:29:55 not. I hope our mitigation

7:29:56 and our education is out there and is – I mean everywhere you

7:30:00 go, especially the DOH,

7:30:01 you hear us saying face masks, social distancing, hygiene

7:30:06 techniques. So hopefully that will

7:30:08 do a turnaround. The other thing we look at are the hospital

7:30:13 rates. How many people that

7:30:15 are now getting infected and are sick enough to be in the

7:30:19 hospital. That has been increasing

7:30:21 significantly. We are not at a critical point in Brevard County.

7:30:25 I know if you listen to

7:30:26 the news, there are other counties and other parts of the state

7:30:29 that may be, but Brevard

7:30:30 County, right now we’re okay with our hospital rate. I mean our

7:30:37 death rate, today they reported

7:30:40 six additional deaths in Brevard County. So you know, we are in

7:30:45 the wrong direction right

7:30:47 now. Hopefully we can stop that and mitigate it. But as of now,

7:30:51 we’ve changed significantly

7:30:53 in the last month. So if I’m putting you on the spot and you do

7:31:00 not have the authority

7:31:00 to answer this question, please feel free to say so. But I feel

7:31:04 like I owe it to our

7:31:05 community to ask the question because when the executive order

7:31:08 came out, the statement

7:31:09 was made that all schools would go back to brick and mortar open

7:31:14 in August unless our

7:31:16 local health officials deemed it unsafe for us to do so. Is

7:31:21 there within these metrics

7:31:22 that you identified, have you all internally identified, if we

7:31:28 have a 30% positivity rate,

7:31:32 that would be too dangerous to go back to school, or?

7:31:35 » Locally, we cannot make that decision. We are an integrated

7:31:39 health department with

7:31:40 the state. We don’t have freestanding county health departments

7:31:43 like some other states

7:31:45 do. In the state of Florida, we are all operating under the

7:31:48 state Florida Department of Health.

7:31:51 If there was something in our community going on that was

7:31:54 significant based on when schools

7:31:56 are going to open, that would be a consultation with Dr. Rifkis,

7:32:00 the Surgeon General. And

7:32:01 he would make the decision based on what’s going on in each

7:32:05 individual county, similar

7:32:07 to what you see when we were talking about South Florida, where

7:32:11 they said they’re not

7:32:12 opening based on their current statistics and their community

7:32:16 spread. So that’s something

7:32:18 that I can’t tell you, nor is it my decision, or is even a local

7:32:22 decision, that would be

7:32:24 made in consultation with Tallahassee.

7:32:26 » So when the executive order says local health experts, they’re

7:32:29 really referring to

7:32:30 the Surgeon General?

7:32:32 » Correct.

7:32:32 » Okay.

7:32:33 » What we would do is because local health, we would go to the

7:32:36 Surgeon General and we

7:32:37 would consult with him, giving him what our community activity

7:32:40 is and what our community

7:32:41 statistics are at this point, and then meet with him and discuss

7:32:45 it with him.

7:32:46 » Okay. So when you say that at the health department, you all

7:32:49 are talking, you know,

7:32:51 you’re constantly talking about social distancing, wearing masks,

7:32:55 and what was the other one?

7:32:56 » Hygiene.

7:32:57 » Hygiene, yes, thank you. Do you qualify social distancing and

7:33:04 wearing masks? So do

7:33:05 you suggest that masks are appropriate in this situation but not

7:33:09 this situation, or

7:33:10 you just say these are all important aspects to stopping the

7:33:12 spread?

7:33:13 » Our recommendation is masks at all times and six feet social

7:33:17 distancing. Masks especially

7:33:19 when you cannot maintain that six feet social distancing. We

7:33:23 also hand hygiene, wash hands,

7:33:26 use the hand sanitizers whenever you can. We don’t mandate

7:33:31 anything. We recommend. And

7:33:33 that’s our recommendation.

7:33:36 » Thank you. And I’m sorry if I – I didn’t mean to put you on

7:33:38 the spot on that, but there’s

7:33:40 – it’s just been very ambiguous in trying to have those

7:33:42 conversations with our community

7:33:44 and help them to understand.

7:33:46 » They are difficult. I’ve had the same conversations with our

7:33:48 clients at our clinics and staff.

7:33:50 It is a difficult, which is why we just recommend this and go by

7:33:55 the best data that we can.

7:33:57 » Excellent. Thank you so much. With regard to this specific

7:34:02 section, and I apologize

7:34:04 to all of you for getting off on a little bit of a tangent there,

7:34:08 I think there are

7:34:09 a couple of key things that came up in here. And one is the face

7:34:13 coverings. And I think

7:34:15 that – I think that’s a sticking point for me at this point.

7:34:25 But I don’t – I think there’s

7:34:27 a way that we can make it work. So if we look at the language

7:34:30 that’s in here, I personally

7:34:33 feel like it’s perfectly appropriate for us to expect that

7:34:39 everyone wear face coverings.

7:34:42 And with common sense in place, right? So we know – we know our

7:34:46 kids in our schools.

7:34:48 We know the kids that truly probably can’t successfully wear a

7:34:57 face mask. But I think

7:34:59 for us to say, well, we would hope that our leaders – we’re

7:35:02 going to ask our leadership

7:35:04 to model. We will require it in some instances and we will

7:35:10 expect it on buses. But then we

7:35:11 have kind of this whole other gap where we say, yeah, we

7:35:15 recommend that it happen. I

7:35:18 just – I feel like expecting it establishes that expectation.

7:35:23 And then we’re not saying

7:35:24 we’re going to throw you in jail to find you $500 if you’re a

7:35:27 five-year-old who can’t wear

7:35:29 a mask in your classroom. I think we have to have some common

7:35:32 sense there. But I think

7:35:34 our general expectation, based on everything that I’ve seen and

7:35:38 the fact that we can’t

7:35:40 do six feet, you know, we have a lot of limitations, we’re

7:35:43 indoors, all of these things, I just

7:35:46 think that we need to at least come out with an expectation that

7:35:50 that be the norm. And

7:35:51 understand that there may have to be some exceptions that will

7:35:54 be handled individually.

7:35:56 But I don’t think it’s too much to expect that we will follow

7:36:00 these recommendations

7:36:02 for the safety of all involved. And I’ll tell you, I am

7:36:07 incredibly concerned about our children

7:36:11 because I think that we have some misperceptions about the

7:36:16 severity of COVID in kids. The secondary

7:36:20 inflammatory response that we’re seeing in kids is especially

7:36:26 troubling to me. And I

7:36:28 think that unfortunately, you know, a year from now, two years

7:36:30 from now, we’re going

7:36:31 to look back and we’re going to see that our kids were much more

7:36:33 affected from COVID than

7:36:35 we anticipated. But on top of that, I am feeling enormous,

7:36:42 enormous stress around the health

7:36:43 and safety of our faculty and staff. And this plan, I think

7:36:48 there have been some recommendations

7:36:51 brought forward that are geared toward doing our best to protect

7:36:55 our faculty and staff

7:36:57 by all means. But our faculty and staff don’t have anywhere near

7:37:01 the same options that our

7:37:03 students have to accommodate their individual needs at this

7:37:07 point. And we know from looking

7:37:09 at our health insurance data that we have a lot of people that

7:37:12 are on our team that

7:37:14 are in those really high risk areas because of pre-existing

7:37:17 conditions. And so to me,

7:37:19 the least that we can do for our team who has worked so hard to

7:37:23 make sure that we’re

7:37:24 providing the right services to our students and helping them to

7:37:28 be successful is to expect

7:37:29 that people will wear masks to keep them safe. And know that it’s

7:37:33 not going to be perfect

7:37:34 in every situation, but I just feel really, really strongly that

7:37:38 that expectation needs

7:37:39 to be there. We simply can’t, we can’t run a school without

7:37:44 teachers and staff. And part

7:37:47 of that is keeping them as safe as possible. And I think the

7:37:50 higher we can increase the

7:37:52 number of people who are wearing masks in the schools and in the

7:37:55 classrooms, the better

7:37:56 off that our team will be, which is also critically important to

7:38:00 keeping schools open going forward.

7:38:02 So that’s my – I’ll get off my soapbox on that one.

7:38:10 I don’t think I had any additional specifics on these areas

7:38:18 other than I think we need

7:38:21 to circle back for discussion from – with Mr. Susan on thermometers

7:38:27 at some point. But

7:38:29 I’m wondering, looking at where we are and what we’ve gone

7:38:33 through at this point, do

7:38:35 we want to revisit our elementary plan and our secondary plan

7:38:39 before we get too far away

7:38:41 from that and provide some feedback to the team on that, some

7:38:46 consensus from the board?

7:38:48 I think it’s, you know, we give it a thumbs up to move forward

7:38:51 as far as the recommendation

7:38:53 stands or do we need to have additional discussion around that?

7:38:58 Would the board members be okay

7:39:00 with me facilitating that discussion so we can –

7:39:02 Are you saying stop moving forward with the rest of the

7:39:07 presentation and go back to the

7:39:10 beginning?

7:39:11 Temporarily.

7:39:12 My feeling is that there’s a lot in here that pertains to the

7:39:18 front half. And I would like

7:39:20 to plow through and then go back. But that doesn’t mean that the

7:39:23 rest of the board doesn’t

7:39:25 – and the reason for that is because I think that when we talk

7:39:30 about moving to block or

7:39:32 a lot of the other decisions, I was really, really waiting to

7:39:35 get down to the medically

7:39:36 vulnerable students, the process of how these COVID tests, all

7:39:40 this other stuff that’s in

7:39:41 the back. To me it’s six or one half dozen. That would be nice.

7:39:45 But if you’ve got an angle

7:39:47 that makes sense for them, I’m okay with it, whatever you want

7:39:50 to do.

7:39:51 Just trying to make sure we don’t get too far away from the

7:39:53 issue before we provide

7:39:54 the direction that the team needs. All right. Then –

7:40:02 I don’t feel like I have a clear understanding for the face

7:40:05 masks before we move on from

7:40:07 that. I know that Ms. McDougall feels strongly and I know you

7:40:11 would like to expect and I

7:40:13 get some place in the middle, so I was trying to – if we have

7:40:16 consensus over expect or

7:40:18 if we have consensus – I don’t know if this is the point to get

7:40:21 that or if we come back

7:40:22 to it.

7:40:23 Yeah, I was going to ask the same. Would the board like to come

7:40:26 back because I think there’s

7:40:27 still unanswered direction on thermometers and face masks. And

7:40:31 then of course the academic

7:40:33 plans. I’m keeping a list. You want me to just keep the list and

7:40:37 we come back and work

7:40:38 through them at the end or would the board prefer to work

7:40:48 through that direction now?

7:40:54 So Mr. Susan is requesting that if you would not mind Dr. Mullins

7:40:58 to continue your list

7:40:59 of those things that we need to circle back on and let’s see if

7:41:02 we can work through the

7:41:02 remainder of the packet because he believes that there may be

7:41:06 some impact in some of the

7:41:07 things we discuss here to the prior issues.

7:41:10 Sure.

7:41:11 All right, then Dr. Sullivan, I think we are with you for 34

7:41:18 through 36.

7:41:21 Yes, thank you. To get us back on track with sequencing, as we

7:41:26 went through the plans we

7:41:29 then focused on some in-school guidelines regarding some

7:41:32 operational, medical, health

7:41:34 and safety. But of course academic and social-emotional learning

7:41:38 is at the cornerstone of our core

7:41:40 mission. And so we wanted to be really explicit about some of

7:41:45 the things that are an emphasis

7:41:48 on current practice and some of the things that are slightly

7:41:53 more expectations in part

7:41:56 because of our concerns for our students who haven’t been in our

7:41:58 building since March and

7:42:00 part with state regulations. And so we’re living in both those

7:42:05 lands. Ms. Klein mentioned

7:42:07 it and I believe Ms. Moore too. I’m not even sure anymore. But

7:42:13 in accordance with the state

7:42:15 expectations, in accordance with our concerns for our students

7:42:18 with disabilities and their

7:42:19 progress towards their goals, and of course our teachers’

7:42:22 ability to make sure they make

7:42:24 really good lesson plan and instructional decisions, all

7:42:27 students will be assessed within

7:42:29 the first month of school to identify strengths and weaknesses

7:42:33 in content areas, skill attainment,

7:42:36 behavioral expectations, and readiness in the event distance

7:42:39 learning is necessary.

7:42:41 And some of that will be through formal structures like our

7:42:45 required progress monitoring that

7:42:47 will be responsive to the state. And some of it will be with

7:42:51 some informal structures.

7:42:53 Teachers are always doing pretests and assessments and

7:42:56 information. Some of it will be guided

7:42:58 by individual education plans and a review on students’ progress

7:43:03 towards their goals

7:43:05 and other informal and formal structures combined. One of the

7:43:10 things that’s really a strong push

7:43:14 for us and I’m pleased that in our informal conversations with

7:43:18 our union leaders, you

7:43:19 know, they share the understanding of the importance of

7:43:23 maximizing digital tools. Each

7:43:25 teacher will integrate resources into their courses and ensure

7:43:28 that students are regularly

7:43:30 accessing it. What we’d like to see is when a student is

7:43:35 potentially home, either for

7:43:37 a personal medical reason, exposure to something, or the class

7:43:41 has to be shut down, they’re

7:43:43 continuing to utilize resources that they’re familiar with. They’ve

7:43:47 used the digital book

7:43:48 in class with great regularity. They know exactly how to go to

7:43:51 their teacher’s Google

7:43:52 classroom and that it’s a super easy pivot. And I believe our

7:43:58 teachers are ready for that.

7:43:59 I know every teacher that I’ve spoken to is really excited about

7:44:03 some of the new strength

7:44:04 that they feel confident in and the tools that they use during

7:44:08 the shutdown and realize

7:44:10 the benefits of integrating. So we want to be really explicit.

7:44:13 We don’t want a child

7:44:15 who’s home to be suddenly, oh, create a logon for this or that.

7:44:19 We want it to be a natural

7:44:21 part of their coursework. And to further that statement, the

7:44:24 teachers will work in a blended

7:44:25 format to minimize those challenges when individual students,

7:44:29 whole classes, or the entire school

7:44:31 must pivot for those short or extended periods of time. And

7:44:35 Russell, who just had to step

7:44:37 out, his team’s been doing a phenomenal job of creating

7:44:40 additional training resources

7:44:42 for our teachers and our teachers themselves. They’ve been

7:44:45 collaborating informally from

7:44:47 the beginning and sharing the use of those tools. And for some

7:44:51 of our teachers it was

7:44:52 a refresh on those, the fact that many of our resources we

7:44:55 already had digital access

7:44:57 to. It just wasn’t as high a priority in the past. Teachers and

7:45:03 staff who provide services

7:45:04 to our students with disabilities, they will work with those

7:45:07 students, their families,

7:45:09 district support teams, and administration to meet IEP goals and

7:45:13 related services to

7:45:14 the greatest extent possible in the event of distance learning

7:45:18 is necessary. We learned

7:45:19 a lot in this shutdown. We learned a lot about things that went

7:45:22 well and things that didn’t

7:45:24 go so well. And Chris’s team has done an incredible job of

7:45:28 actually leading the way in providing

7:45:32 services. So we feel really confident in their ability to

7:45:35 continue that work. And of course,

7:45:37 as always, if we have distance learning needs and devices are

7:45:41 essential for education, we

7:45:43 would never prevent a student from having access to the digital

7:45:47 tools that they need

7:45:48 to succeed in the classroom. We’ve talked a lot about stress and

7:45:53 trauma, anxiety. I

7:45:57 might go home and read the required mental health curriculum

7:46:01 myself tonight. But as you

7:46:04 know, the state had previously already prioritized their

7:46:08 commitment to all students receiving

7:46:10 mental health instruction. And that will continue. That will

7:46:15 continue in whatever format is available

7:46:18 to us. I think we’ve all heard the inner room or with Zoom,

7:46:22 those things will continue as

7:46:24 well. And of course, the additional social-emotional frameworks

7:46:28 that Ms. Moore and her team outlined

7:46:30 not too long ago. And we may have thought those curricular

7:46:35 programs for social-emotional

7:46:37 were critical for one reason a year ago. They’re critical for

7:46:41 another reason now. And those

7:46:43 things haven’t changed. Each school will implement an academic

7:46:48 support plan to provide additional

7:46:50 instruction. And I want to speak to that a little bit. We will

7:46:54 be providing schools additional

7:46:56 financial resources to enhance academics. So we’ve made a lot of

7:47:00 references to CARES

7:47:01 Act going to things like thermometers and hand sanitizer and all

7:47:05 those things. We’re

7:47:06 also expending a significant amount of CARES Act to be able to

7:47:09 allow schools to provide

7:47:10 additional services. So for example, if a teacher wanted to

7:47:13 provide tutoring before

7:47:15 school, the school would have the funds to pay that teacher

7:47:18 before school, after school,

7:47:20 and other innovative methods. Some of those will be attached to

7:47:24 services. That would be

7:47:25 an extension of what students need to have an IP. Some of those

7:47:28 will be for students

7:47:29 who are struggling. And some of those are just students who

7:47:32 would like extra help because

7:47:33 math is hard. And so the schools will have additional resources

7:47:37 in addition to what we

7:47:39 already allocate for them to create academic support plans. And

7:47:44 some of those could be

7:47:45 digital. Some of those could be on site. But they have the

7:47:48 resources to support their teachers

7:47:49 in providing those services. Each teacher will utilize focus.

7:47:54 And I think a lot of our

7:47:55 teachers realize an additional power to some of those tools to

7:47:59 regularly update parents

7:48:01 and students on academic performance. And we mentioned this

7:48:05 earlier. Secondary students

7:48:07 will continue to have access to programs that accelerate

7:48:10 learning, albeit career and technical

7:48:13 education, industry certification, credits through our college

7:48:18 credit programs, credit

7:48:19 acceleration program, CAP. That actually represents those tests

7:48:24 we spoke about, like a CLEP test

7:48:26 or something like that that could accelerate a student’s

7:48:29 performance. And Excel diploma

7:48:31 options are the diploma options that are designed to have

7:48:35 students graduate with 18 credits.

7:48:37 Equally rigorous diplomas, but recognizing that some students

7:48:41 may choose not to engage

7:48:43 with the full compendium of electives. So we mentioned it

7:48:47 briefly, but our 18 credit

7:48:49 option is the same core diploma. It just takes away electives

7:48:54 primarily, you know, with some

7:48:57 exception and recognizes that some of those students’ choices in

7:49:01 other areas are more

7:49:02 valuable to them. Oh, I have another one. So because of course

7:49:12 of – this is a tough

7:49:13 one. We love a lot of the things that increase a child’s

7:49:18 experience with our schools, their

7:49:20 connectivity to the schools, parent connectivity to the schools,

7:49:26 all these things that make

7:49:28 school awesome. I’m going to flip back to my notes again for my

7:49:31 Miss Campbell quote

7:49:33 on grieving the loss. And the fact of the matter is all the

7:49:36 reasons you guys just talked

7:49:39 about, all of our concerns for the health and safety, all the

7:49:42 things Mr. Susan has mentioned

7:49:43 about strong parameters, minimizing, limiting, all those things

7:49:47 you all talked about. These

7:49:49 are some things that we’re going to have to prohibit for right

7:49:53 now. But we want it to

7:49:54 be really clear that these things will be reconsidered

7:49:57 throughout the year as hopefully

7:49:59 conditions change, immunizations are developed, whatever the

7:50:03 circumstances are. But in support

7:50:05 of the things that each and every one of us have felt about our

7:50:08 concern for our students

7:50:09 and our staff. We will not be authorizing field trips. And this

7:50:15 was true prior to our

7:50:17 shutdown on March 12th when we had a teeny tiny bit of cases.

7:50:20 When we were following

7:50:21 that single digit rise, we had already prohibited field trips

7:50:25 because of – I mean I don’t have

7:50:26 to think – I have to tell you why. That prohibition will

7:50:30 continue until further notice. Playground

7:50:32 equipment use is prohibited. I want to emphasize, and Ms. Klein

7:50:37 is going to give me steely eyes

7:50:38 if I don’t, play is encouraged, playground equipment is not. And

7:50:43 again, we have confidence

7:50:45 in our teachers’ abilities to work through that. I’m sorry, Ms.

7:50:49 Campbell, but chorus

7:50:52 singing is – all roads lead to an incredibly risky activity.

7:50:57 Even with our disagreements

7:51:00 and different passionate perspectives, I think all perspectives

7:51:03 understand the risk that

7:51:05 comes with singing. And of course, our national organization has

7:51:09 provided guidelines as well.

7:51:11 And we’re going to encourage singing outdoors. And encourage our

7:51:15 chorus teachers to use the

7:51:17 gift of space that we have outdoors in many of our schools. And

7:51:20 then utilize some other

7:51:22 strategies indoor in teaching music, musicality, and all those

7:51:26 things that I hope make me sound

7:51:27 like I know what I’m talking about with chorus. And I said other

7:51:31 choruses because we have

7:51:32 Spanish classes that sing. We have chanting that happens. And we’re

7:51:39 going to ask them

7:51:40 to save those fun activities for outdoors. I mentioned briefly

7:51:44 earlier we are not going

7:51:45 to do dressing out, sweaty, spitty, wiping. Right? I think I can

7:51:51 go without saying. And

7:51:53 as we know, we have several locker rooms without AC and the

7:51:57 addition of that. We’re going

7:51:58 to ask kids to bring their sneakers and get some fresh air

7:52:04 outside when they can. Labs

7:52:06 and shared hands-on materials. We mentioned that earlier. There

7:52:10 will be supplies to maintain

7:52:12 cleanliness in between use. I can’t give an example of how that

7:52:16 will look in every

7:52:17 scenario because there are so many scenarios. But I want

7:52:20 teachers to feel confident, to

7:52:21 talk to their principals, and for their class, their course,

7:52:25 their stuff, work together and

7:52:26 figure out a plan. And we’ll certainly make sure they’re

7:52:29 supplied to the best of our

7:52:30 abilities because we still can’t get our hands on enough wipes.

7:52:33 But we do have plenty

7:52:35 of other materials. Students will be encouraged to bring their

7:52:39 own water bottles. Again, the

7:52:41 spitting over the water fountain thingy. Kind of icky. And we’ll

7:52:45 be prohibited from sharing

7:52:47 them for obvious reasons. Schools should not convene assemblies.

7:52:51 Again, some of this is

7:52:53 common knowledge but we think we need to be really explicit

7:52:56 about it. There’s this, again,

7:52:58 if we can eliminate a risk, we want to eliminate a risk.

7:53:03 Athletic and extracurriculars will

7:53:04 continue to follow the return to activity guidelines. And I

7:53:07 realize I forgot to link

7:53:08 it but in the presentation we present to the public, we will

7:53:12 make sure that’s linked and

7:53:14 that parents can quickly see those return to activities. And we

7:53:18 want to continue all

7:53:19 those wonderful parent nights. We’re just going to continue them

7:53:22 virtually and our schools

7:53:24 have really done remarkable jobs of finding unique ways. They’re

7:53:27 already talking about

7:53:28 video in classrooms so that people can feel a part of it but we

7:53:31 are not imposing on a

7:53:32 teacher’s space and a teacher’s classroom and adding any

7:53:36 unnecessary germs to a situation.

7:53:41 And so those were just some things that we felt were noting. It

7:53:44 is by no means exhaustive

7:53:46 but those are some of those comments, again, reading the

7:53:49 comments that were coming up,

7:53:50 we thought it was worthy of outlining. And again, for those that

7:53:54 maybe haven’t been with

7:53:55 us since 9 a.m., we will still have our resource teachers

7:53:59 working with national resources and

7:54:02 working with all the teachers in those specialty environments

7:54:07 like art or media centers and

7:54:09 things like that. I’m going to turn the podium over to Ms. Klein

7:54:15 who’s going to talk about

7:54:16 additional ways we’re going to protect our students and staff.

7:54:20 So visitors to campus, this was extremely, well, one of the many

7:54:25 difficult conversations

7:54:28 we’ve had because we value our volunteers, we value our visitors,

7:54:35 we value our parents

7:54:38 who bring their children to school. But we have to minimize the

7:54:43 risk of others coming

7:54:45 on campus. And just as Mr. Susan likes to bring his daughter to

7:54:51 school, he can drop

7:54:53 her off. But the visiting of campus, we’re going to have to

7:55:00 limit that. We’re going to

7:55:02 have to totally prohibit the use of volunteers, visitors. So how

7:55:06 are we going to do that with

7:55:08 kindergarten? Okay. So that’s like, oh, my goodness, first day

7:55:12 of school. That is such

7:55:14 an important part in a family’s life. So I’m going to be asking

7:55:19 all of my principals to

7:55:21 create a video of what a kindergarten classroom, probably a

7:55:27 Facebook Live because that’s a

7:55:29 platform they love to use, or maybe YouTube video of what it

7:55:35 looks like in their school,

7:55:37 what a cafeteria looks like, what the classroom looks like. We’re

7:55:42 also going to ask our teachers

7:55:43 to do some virtual messages for their students because we know

7:55:49 this is extremely difficult.

7:55:51 Have principals who are trying to think outside the box of what

7:55:55 they can do prior to school

7:55:57 opening to let that happen. We have to also put the cleaning

7:56:01 protocols in place after

7:56:03 that because remember, every footprint into a building could

7:56:11 impact negatively the first

7:56:14 day of school. So we’re really, while we believe this is a

7:56:20 requirement that we have to uphold,

7:56:26 it’s a very tough one. But I believe we can make people feel

7:56:32 comfortable about their school

7:56:35 setting by providing some very virtual meetings, virtual visits

7:56:45 into the school. And perhaps

7:56:49 having those conversations with teachers to do the virtual

7:56:54 classroom visits with the parents.

7:56:57 The other thing that we’re going to have to prohibit is that non-essential

7:57:02 visits, you

7:57:03 know, the cupcakes, the popsicles, we have seen an increase in

7:57:14 restaurants being closed

7:57:19 and food being, you know, exposure. So we need to limit that, we

7:57:26 need to prohibit that

7:57:27 classroom. Cupcake celebrations and all the things that we as

7:57:38 moms loved and dads, we’re

7:57:43 going to, our world is different and we’re going to have to

7:57:45 approach it differently.

7:57:47 So all those, although these are very, very difficult situations,

7:57:52 we have to protect our

7:57:54 teachers, we have to protect our custodians and the students

7:57:58 within the building. So we

7:58:00 are going to limit visitors to emergency situations, enrollment

7:58:06 processes, or any required meetings.

7:58:10 But Chris’s team has been amazing at becoming the role models,

7:58:17 the examples of virtual IEP

7:58:20 meetings, virtual parent meetings, so we’re going to learn from

7:58:25 their successes and put

7:58:27 more of those in place. So these are tough, but we believe it’s

7:58:34 the right recommendation.

7:58:36 Thank you, Ms. Klein. Anyone have any questions for Ms. Klein? I’m

7:58:46 not particular. Ms. McDougall,

7:58:46 any questions for Ms. Klein? Just a quick comment. I don’t have

7:58:54 to like that we can

7:58:55 only sing outdoors, but I saw that coming. So I, it’s a year. I’m

7:59:04 praying it’s only a

7:59:07 year. We can stick it out. I mean, it really stinks, but I will

7:59:11 say just to set up a couple

7:59:13 of examples, I know Meadow Lane, because none of our schools do

7:59:16 their kindergarten roundups,

7:59:18 they did a virtual kindergarten roundup, took a tour, showed all

7:59:21 the kindergarten teachers,

7:59:22 showed Ms. Campbell there, Ms. Campbell from the media center,

7:59:26 and did all that. Excellent.

7:59:28 Love that. So the community could see what was going on. Junior

7:59:31 Achievement, who is one

7:59:32 of our groups of volunteers that comes into our schools, they’ve

7:59:35 already developed a full

7:59:36 spectrum of virtual speeches and interactions with professionals.

7:59:42 So we’re just going to

7:59:44 have to get more creative in the way that we do this, just like

7:59:46 we’re getting more creative

7:59:47 in everything else that we’re doing. And I will say my child’s

7:59:50 choir teacher said at

7:59:52 the end of the year, she was already picking out her spot on

7:59:54 campus where she was going

7:59:55 to have rehearsals outdoors. So if there’s any silver lining,

8:00:00 the DOE is looking at it

8:00:02 only at the first semester. So maybe we reevaluate. So I have

8:00:08 two concerns. One, the playground

8:00:14 equipment. It’s open now in all of our community parks. And we

8:00:19 have this handy dandy machine

8:00:21 that I’ve seen sprays down and sanitizes. So we know that it’s

8:00:26 outdoor, it’s open air,

8:00:29 students will be playing. Why is the playground equipment banned?

8:00:36 You want to? I’ll talk on

8:00:46 it and then Sue can back me up. The reason was if we could clean

8:00:55 it after every class,

8:00:57 that could be a possibility. But again, the risk of, you know,

8:01:06 kids get pretty gross on

8:01:09 the playground and on the equipment. And there’s bodily fluids

8:01:16 that so unless I could not say

8:01:23 absolutely go forth and play everybody all day long unless we

8:01:28 could clean after each

8:01:31 class. And perhaps, Sue, there’s an answer there. I think a

8:01:37 couple things. Cleaning after

8:01:39 each child, each class, the ability to social distance while

8:01:43 using the playground equipment.

8:01:45 It’s designed for interaction in many cases. So we’re concerned

8:01:50 about it. And then just

8:01:52 the ability of our custodial staff to really keep up with

8:01:55 cleaning. I’m sure you’ve noticed

8:01:56 through 37 or 8 slides that there’s a lot of and we’re going to

8:02:00 do some cleaning. And

8:02:01 so this is something that, you know, has got to take a second

8:02:05 seat to making sure our classrooms

8:02:08 are clean and our restrooms are clean and our offices are clean.

8:02:12 So I think the idea

8:02:13 of opening playgrounds is one that we’d like to pursue when we

8:02:17 can but really want to make

8:02:18 sure that we can support the educational mission and the

8:02:21 classroom cleaning and the restroom

8:02:24 cleaning as a priority with the staff that we have. And then see

8:02:27 how the science sort

8:02:29 of evolves around the playgrounds and what we can do to keep

8:02:31 them clean and safe for

8:02:32 our students. And we know we want our children to be outside. We

8:02:38 want them to be playing

8:02:40 because play is developmentally needed in every child from birth.

8:02:46 You know, we know

8:02:47 parallel play, we know the importance of play. So we want play.

8:02:54 But it’s that equipment,

8:02:57 the social distancing, that movement on the actual, you know, an

8:03:02 actual playground, elementary

8:03:05 is about the middle, probably from Miss Campbell to Dr. Sullivan,

8:03:10 this middle section. That’s

8:03:13 not a lot of space for 18, 15, 14 children. But we will

8:03:22 definitely try to work that out.

8:03:25 So like swings, there’s no one’s near each other on a swing. So

8:03:29 we’re going to rope off

8:03:30 a swing set because of touching? Is that because a child has

8:03:34 touched it before? We’re going

8:03:36 to say no swinging. I mean, I can almost be convinced of the

8:03:41 little play thing that all

8:03:43 kids are mounded on each other. But even with that thing shut

8:03:47 down, we’re talking say about

8:03:49 a class of kindergartners out there, five years old, how are you

8:03:52 going to keep them

8:03:53 social distancing at recess even without that structure? It’s

8:03:57 going to be a huge challenge.

8:03:59 We can’t. I mean, really, is that what we’re going to ask our

8:04:02 teachers to do? You can’t

8:04:03 play near him. Like, I just think at some point, we have to be a

8:04:07 little realistic. How

8:04:08 is this going to really look? And are we okay with it? And why

8:04:12 are we okay with it? Not

8:04:13 over here, but not on this equipment. I just want to make sure

8:04:17 we’re being consistent and

8:04:19 realistic on our expectations. On paper, we can say something.

8:04:24 But in so many of our schools

8:04:25 don’t have swing sets, to be honest with you. In that, you know,

8:04:29 we know that that movement

8:04:31 back and forth is another developmental step that we need to

8:04:35 have for children, but not

8:04:37 all schools have swings. Swings to me would be a little bit

8:04:41 different because it’s one

8:04:43 child at a time and they are separate. But the actual playground

8:04:47 equipment that most

8:04:49 of our schools have gone with don’t have the swings are an added

8:04:56 part of the playground.

8:04:59 It is, like I said, it is something we will continue to look at.

8:05:06 But we heard it in the

8:05:08 survey that, you know, playgrounds were a concern. And to be

8:05:14 honest, I’m very concerned

8:05:17 of the bodily fluids on those plastic playground equipment. And

8:05:22 that’s just my opinion. Okay.

8:05:27 And then my second concern is volunteers. I understand wanting

8:05:33 to this one hits me.

8:05:35 I understand general volunteers. We’re usually reaching begging

8:05:39 for more volunteers for all

8:05:40 kinds of things to keep our parents and community engaged in our

8:05:44 school. But I feel like there’s

8:05:46 this category of essential volunteers that are almost like

8:05:49 employees in some of our schools.

8:05:52 We depend on them sometimes five days a week. They are the extra

8:05:55 hands in the front office

8:05:56 or they’re really another adult on campus who has become part of

8:06:00 the school. I don’t

8:06:01 know if anyone else is interested in – I don’t know if it’s

8:06:04 just a bomb waiting to

8:06:06 go off calling certain – everyone is going to think they’re an

8:06:09 essential volunteer. But

8:06:11 I hate to see those – it seems like we need more hands on deck

8:06:15 right now helping with

8:06:17 all these things instead of cutting hands off the deck. But I

8:06:21 think there’s a difference

8:06:22 between someone we’re trying desperately to get involved and

8:06:25 someone that’s an essential

8:06:27 volunteer in our school right now helping man the media center,

8:06:32 for example, while the

8:06:34 media – not the assistant, the actual media specialist is with

8:06:39 a class, right? We have

8:06:41 – I know at Hoover there’s volunteers that work. I work Monday,

8:06:45 Wednesday – not me,

8:06:46 but someone works Monday, Wednesday, Friday checking out. And so

8:06:50 I think that’s a level

8:06:50 of volunteer that maybe needs a little bit more consideration.

8:06:53 Thank you.

8:06:55 » Anyone else have comments or questions for 34 through 37? Ms.

8:07:02 McDougall, did you

8:07:04 have questions or comments for Dr. Sullivan or Ms. Klein?

8:07:08 » No, I was just – you know, Ms. Klein really started off

8:07:11 right away with the kindergarten,

8:07:13 the first day of kindergarten. So I’m glad you addressed that

8:07:16 because that is a rite

8:07:17 of passage for many parents. So I like that. And I do think that

8:07:21 – okay, so we’re not

8:07:22 going to have in-person assemblies. But I’m sure there’s ways to

8:07:27 do things via Facebook

8:07:29 or video that individuals could do things. So I think some

8:07:33 things will happen. I do support

8:07:36 – you know, we’re trying to be safe in our school. We’re trying

8:07:41 to make it as safe as

8:07:42 possible for our employees and for our students. And I don’t –

8:07:49 I understand when this stuff

8:07:50 is just coming with volunteers, and yes, they are very important.

8:07:53 But at the same time,

8:07:54 right now, my concern is for our staff that are working there

8:07:58 and for our students that

8:08:00 go there every day. So anyhow, that’s just my two cents on that.

8:08:06 » Thank you, Ms. McDougall. Mr. Susan, did you have anything

8:08:09 for those few?

8:08:10 » Yep, these couple – so the first bullet on page 34, all

8:08:14 students will be assessed

8:08:15 within the first month of school to determine strengths and

8:08:18 weaknesses. Is that K through

8:08:19 12, or is that just kindergarten? What is that right there?

8:08:23 » Yeah, thank you. Yes. From an ELA standpoint, it is all

8:08:29 students. For math, it is through

8:08:34 geometry and then those informal structures that our teachers

8:08:39 typically utilize at the

8:08:41 beginning of the year for all else. It is our belief that the

8:08:45 DOE is expecting ELA and

8:08:48 math. And so the good news is we have tools for both of those.

8:08:52 We’ve been utilizing ELA

8:08:54 and math progress monitoring tools. It’s not a departure. And

8:08:58 then the others will be informal

8:08:59 structures.

8:09:00 » I think it’s great because it’s going to be much needed after

8:09:02 what we went through.

8:09:03 » I said informal, but again, some of them will be directly

8:09:06 tied into monitoring their

8:09:07 attainment of their IEP goals.

8:09:10 » Sure. And then the next one is it says each teacher will

8:09:12 integrate digital tools

8:09:13 into their courses to ensure that all students are regularly

8:09:16 assessing and utilizing high

8:09:17 digital materials. Do we have those digital tools for them? What

8:09:22 is that?

8:09:22 » Yeah, we do.

8:09:23 » Okay.

8:09:24 » We did a lot of work on that on this emergency at home

8:09:28 learning situation where we identify

8:09:31 digital tools for all 450 plus secondary courses. And we

8:09:35 provided those links and resources.

8:09:38 Of course, some of them were being reviewed at yeah, not that

8:09:42 this. But yes, we are ensuring

8:09:45 that there are quality digital tools for every single subject.

8:09:50 Some of them are direct digital

8:09:53 versions of their textbooks. If you recall, it’s been about, oh,

8:09:58 six years now where we

8:10:00 have been required to spend a certain percentage of our budget

8:10:03 on digital textbook materials

8:10:05 and then also our ancillary resources as well.

8:10:09 » In elementary, not all of our material is digital, but we’re

8:10:14 getting there. And with

8:10:15 our CARES Act, with the instructional components already, we

8:10:20 will add that component.

8:10:22 » That’s awesome. I knew an online digital program that we – I

8:10:27 really liked that we

8:10:28 cut last month. So that would have been great. All right. The

8:10:33 schools figure out – there’s

8:10:35 a lot – there seems to be a lot of push onto the principals

8:10:39 because of site base being

8:10:42 so different, 72 miles long and everything else. I did just want

8:10:47 to say a big shout out

8:10:48 to the people who are on this call that are thinking about this.

8:10:51 A lot of what we’re doing

8:10:53 today not only hinges on the safety of our students, but each

8:10:56 one of those principals.

8:10:57 And I think that, like, literally when I’m looking at this every

8:11:00 step that we come into,

8:11:02 it’s basically school-based decisions, this is what you’re

8:11:04 coming up with, the time frame

8:11:05 that they have and the small limited time to get this done. I

8:11:09 think that every single

8:11:10 – I’ll just say it, every one of my parents that usually calls

8:11:14 up with these little issues,

8:11:16 I think that I’m going to request them to not call the principal

8:11:18 and bother them so

8:11:19 much because of the amount of stuff that we have. We need to

8:11:23 send a message that these

8:11:23 principals are on the front lines, the tip of the spear, and

8:11:27 that they’re about to do

8:11:28 something that they’ve never been requested to do before. And I

8:11:31 think that our community

8:11:32 needs to understand. I think that, in a way, a lot of our

8:11:34 principals are going to be heroes

8:11:36 in this situation for the situations that transpire at our

8:11:40 schools. So I think that

8:11:41 part of our communication, if there’s any way to – because we

8:11:44 always do talk about

8:11:45 our kids, we always talk about school board members, but very

8:11:48 rarely do we put our principals

8:11:49 out in front of the spotlight and say, “You guys are amazing.”

8:11:53 So if we can somehow find

8:11:54 a way to do that through this process, that’d be great. All

8:11:58 right.

8:12:00 Mr. Susan, I just want to thank you for saying that, but also

8:12:05 add it’s our assistant principals

8:12:08 and our deans that are going to be – I mean, it is going to

8:12:12 take the entire school community

8:12:15 working extremely hard to get – to accomplish this for all of

8:12:19 our children.

8:12:20 You realize you just put me in the doghouse, right?

8:12:24 We appreciate you saying that.

8:12:27 Perhaps.

8:12:28 Fourth bullet on page 35, it talks about each teacher will

8:12:32 utilize focus. That’s going to

8:12:34 be the one point that our parents go to for all of their

8:12:37 academic needs as far as this

8:12:39 goes. Is that –

8:12:41 George. So, yes, Dr. Bronstein, we’ve mentioned her a few times

8:12:48 with Russell’s team, his other

8:12:50 side of the house, Randy George, and the tech folks. They’ve

8:12:54 been working through some modifications

8:12:55 with focus that will directly connect things to Google Classrooms.

8:13:01 So a lot of our teachers

8:13:03 utilize Google Classrooms. One of the changes we’re expecting to

8:13:07 see – I don’t want to

8:13:08 put pressure on day one, but shortly thereafter – Dr. Bronstein

8:13:12 said they’ve already worked

8:13:13 with focus on – add focus, it will link directly to the Google

8:13:17 Classroom, because that’s where

8:13:20 a lot of our teachers and parents were frustrated because

8:13:22 teachers are doing really great things

8:13:24 with Google Classroom. It will now link in it.

8:13:26 Perfect.

8:13:27 And they’re working on – with some other vendors on potentially

8:13:31 adding that link. So

8:13:33 I know that they’ve secured the linkage to Google Classroom, and

8:13:36 I know that she’s looking

8:13:37 at other linkages as well.

8:13:39 Perfect. That’s the one thing that I think we could clean up,

8:13:42 and, Mr. Cheatham, everything

8:13:44 that you’ve been doing is absolutely amazing to make that happen.

8:13:47 I think that having the

8:13:48 parents have less points really helps in the whole delivery

8:13:53 process.

8:13:54 And they’re all pros now, so we’re not worried about our parents.

8:13:56 I don’t know. I was with one yesterday for a while. He’s going

8:14:00 to take a while. Next

8:14:01 thing is, is that on page 36, we were talking about a lot of the

8:14:05 playgrounds not being able

8:14:07 to be used. We were talking about not dressing kids out. Have we

8:14:12 given the PE teachers some

8:14:15 kind of adaptive activity stipend to help develop some kind of

8:14:19 other activities? Because

8:14:21 we know if some of those kids don’t get their energy out, that

8:14:24 they’re literally going to

8:14:26 drive us crazy, right? Like, my son’s included in that. I may be,

8:14:30 too. But if you have activity,

8:14:33 is there – like, have we worked with them on that?

8:14:35 We met Rachel Winston, and so you know she’s living, breathing,

8:14:39 and dying this. And we’ve

8:14:41 had several emails. She is putting together resources in the

8:14:45 confines. I just had an email

8:14:46 from her last week. She’s like, “All right, we’ve got a new plan

8:14:50 rolling.” So, yes, she’ll

8:14:52 be working with some of her leadership team and teachers to be

8:14:56 identifying some of those

8:14:58 best practices.

8:15:00 This summer’s been a gift, and a struggle in that our resource

8:15:05 teachers, our content

8:15:08 specialists are 10-month teachers, but a gift in that several of

8:15:11 our national organizations

8:15:13 have put together some really great resources. And so I think

8:15:17 every single national organization

8:15:19 has done content-specific guidelines. And so, yes, they will be

8:15:23 getting additional resources

8:15:25 and strategies.

8:15:26 Perfect. And then, on page 37, the volunteer piece. Love the

8:15:32 virtual IEP meetings. I couldn’t

8:15:35 tell you – I remember going to those as a teacher, having that

8:15:39 as an opportunity to

8:15:40 be inside your classroom, possibly in the future. I love that.

8:15:43 Thank you for doing that.

8:15:44 That’s amazing. But I did – and then I had one question down

8:15:48 here, contracted service

8:15:49 providers. Self-screener prior – can you just tell me what a

8:15:53 self-screener is for our

8:15:54 contractors?

8:15:55 Yeah, sure. It’s the same one we’re asking employees to do. But,

8:15:59 again, we’ve just gotten

8:16:00 new guidelines for the CDC. So we’re looking at those people

8:16:06 like our behavior techs that

8:16:08 may be coming from a private agency to come in and work in our

8:16:11 schools, having them complete

8:16:12 a self-screener before they come in. And it includes now a

8:16:16 couple of questions. So that’s

8:16:19 going to be adjusted, and it may end up being a couple of

8:16:21 questions that they’re asked upon

8:16:23 entering the building. I just haven’t had a chance to really

8:16:27 look at what we developed

8:16:28 versus what the CDC put out late yesterday afternoon.

8:16:31 Yeah. And I’m so sorry you’re having to deal with that

8:16:35 consistently over and over again.

8:16:38 So there is – so I’m hearing you say it’s a couple of questions,

8:16:41 maybe, or is it a temperature

8:16:43 check we’re doing? What are we doing here? Sorry to bring up

8:16:45 temperature checks.

8:16:45 Yeah, because you have it sitting right in front of you.

8:16:48 Actually, this is what we do for people entering our clinic. We

8:16:51 ask them, have you been in

8:16:52 contact, close contact with anybody with COVID? Have you been

8:16:57 diagnosed with COVID because

8:16:59 people still come in even though they know they’re positive?

8:17:04 Have you been tested and

8:17:05 are pending results? And the biggest one, do you have any

8:17:08 symptoms? And we go through

8:17:09 a list of symptom screenings for them. So those are the four or

8:17:13 five questions that

8:17:14 we ask everyone that’s coming in our building. And that’s what

8:17:17 the guidance is to ask anyone

8:17:18 coming into any of the schools as well.

8:17:20 Perfect. Okay. And then my last question is, is we had some

8:17:24 volunteers that came on campus

8:17:26 last year specific, and I was wondering if we’re allowed to use

8:17:29 those, and that is goats.

8:17:31 Are we allowing our goats to come on campus? What is the

8:17:34 classification for the goats as

8:17:36 far as volunteer status and working status?

8:17:38 I don’t think they were volunteers. They were contracted service.

8:17:42 So they screened.

8:17:44 So I’m hearing you say that they fall under contracted services

8:17:47 and they will be screened

8:17:48 prior to coming on our campus every time? Is that true?

8:17:51 I will personally meet each of them because I need a goat break.

8:17:57 That’s all my questions, Ms. Belford. Thank you.

8:18:00 Thank you, Mr. Susan. All right. Everybody good to roll into Ms.

8:18:05 Moore with 38342? Anyone

8:18:08 need a break? I know we’ve kind of been taking, by all means,

8:18:12 yes. Take it as you need it.

8:18:13 No worries. I did the same. All right. Ms. Moore, do you need a

8:18:17 break before we go into

8:18:18 your section?

8:18:19 No. Actually, I just took a break, and I was hoping you would

8:18:21 cover all these slides while

8:18:22 I was out. But that didn’t happen.

8:18:26 Maybe I need to go in a break.

8:18:29 Yeah. First, I feel like I need to thank Dr. Mullins and the

8:18:33 board because since having

8:18:34 this job, I became an expert on threat assessment and had to

8:18:38 attend trainings with Secret Service

8:18:41 and the FBI, and I became an expert on EKG and ECGs. And I will

8:18:50 tell you, I keep pumping

8:18:50 Patty saying, “I have 31 years in, Patty. Will I be hired at the

8:18:53 health department?”

8:18:54 You got a job.

8:18:56 There you go.

8:18:58 That’s dependent on a reference.

8:18:59 No, that’s true. That’s true. And I can’t do that myself, so.

8:19:04 So this next section is all about the actual illness itself, COVID.

8:19:09 And I think it should

8:19:11 start with kind of understanding what happens once somebody is

8:19:15 tested. So when somebody

8:19:17 gets tested at the health department or at another agency, the

8:19:20 results go to the health

8:19:21 department. And they do kind of close contact tracing. So who is

8:19:27 your immediate family?

8:19:29 Who have you been around a lot? That kind of very, very close

8:19:32 contact tracing. And then

8:19:34 they say to the individual who has tested positive now, “You

8:19:37 tell everybody else. You

8:19:39 make sure that you make contact with the other people that might

8:19:42 be rippled out from there.”

8:19:44 That pretty accurate?

8:19:46 That’s very accurate. In the beginning of COVID, we would do

8:19:50 extended contacts. Now

8:19:52 with over 2,800 cases, trying to get everybody what grocery

8:19:56 store have you been to, where

8:19:58 have you been socially, we can’t do that. So we focus on the

8:20:02 immediate household and

8:20:03 the close contacts and then leave it up to the client or the

8:20:07 patient to tell their extended

8:20:09 contacts.

8:20:11 So in this first category of students or staff exposed, it

8:20:16 relies on that very first piece

8:20:18 that we get informed of it. So I think it’s good to understand

8:20:23 right there there’s a human

8:20:26 piece. So taken from that understanding, I’ll kind of go through

8:20:30 the rest. So if a student

8:20:32 or staff is exposed to contact, so the first group of people I

8:20:39 want to talk about is somebody

8:20:42 who is a contact with somebody who is diagnosed or has a

8:20:47 presumed case. And I talked about

8:20:49 a presumed case earlier. All a presumed case is is I know

8:20:53 somebody who has been diagnosed.

8:20:56 I’m close to somebody who is diagnosed with COVID and I too have

8:20:59 symptoms. We are going

8:21:00 to presume that you have that there’s a presumption that you

8:21:04 have COVID. So for a student or staff

8:21:07 that lives with somebody like that, they are quarantined for 14

8:21:11 days. The critical infrastructure

8:21:12 piece gets set aside. If you live if your husband, if your

8:21:16 daughter has COVID, you are

8:21:18 quarantined with them for 14 days. The little asterisk on the

8:21:22 end of that is that if you

8:21:24 start developing symptoms, you are now a presumptive case. So

8:21:29 you’re in a different category. So

8:21:32 a student whose mom has COVID and we’re made aware they’re

8:21:38 excluded from school for 14

8:21:41 days and are put on an instructional plan. A teacher whose

8:21:45 husband or wife or child has

8:21:47 COVID, they are excluded from school for 14 days. The questions

8:21:53 that relate to that like

8:21:55 leave and can they work, those are all HR questions and they’re

8:22:00 working through them

8:22:01 because right now we’re under a memo that expires on July 31st

8:22:05 that says if you can

8:22:07 work from home, if the essential functions of your job can be

8:22:09 done at home, you’re going

8:22:10 to do them. But now we’re entering into a bargaining process. So

8:22:14 I think there’s a lot

8:22:15 of discussion to be had. So I don’t know if you want to talk to

8:22:18 that at the end, Beth,

8:22:20 at all. Okay. For a student or staff who traveled out of state

8:22:26 in which the CDC guidelines still

8:22:29 list it as a state that you should quarantine for 14 days, we’re

8:22:32 upholding those CDC guidelines.

8:22:34 I’ll tell you we get, those are basically phone calls that we

8:22:37 get. We’ve labeled them,

8:22:39 we’ve labeled us the tattletale police because we get a lot of

8:22:43 phone calls. You know, my

8:22:45 neighbor son’s brother went to North Carolina and now they’re in

8:22:50 school. And we track down

8:22:52 every single one of them. We get sent pictures and we get, and

8:22:56 we track down every single

8:22:58 one of them. So the other half of that is then we get on the CDC

8:23:02 website and see what

8:23:04 areas of the country are still under an order. And quite frankly,

8:23:08 Arizona, Texas and Florida

8:23:10 right now are I think the highest growing areas if I’m correct.

8:23:17 If a student’s absence

8:23:18 is directed to by a doctor or by us to be quarantined, we’re

8:23:22 considering that a doctor’s

8:23:23 note just so that you have that in your heads for all of these

8:23:28 absences. And we are telling

8:23:30 employees right now that if they have already, if they have the

8:23:35 option of applying for COVID

8:23:37 leave, if they’ve already used their COVID leave, they do have

8:23:42 other leave to apply for.

8:23:43 And so that’s kind of where we’re at with that one.

8:23:54 I think it’s, before I go on to the next slide, I think it’s

8:23:58 important to understand what

8:24:00 a contact to a contact is and a contact to a case because it’s

8:24:07 not on these slides but

8:24:09 I think it’s important in some of the questions that might be

8:24:13 going through your heads. So

8:24:15 I imagine every single person in this room is a contact to a

8:24:19 contact. It means that I

8:24:21 know somebody who knows somebody that tested positive. And in

8:24:27 terms of what we do with

8:24:30 that, not much. If we’re a contact to a contact, we get on with

8:24:35 our lives. There should be

8:24:36 no presumption that we’ve caught COVID. There’s no additional

8:24:41 precautions that we need to

8:24:43 take. If we become a contact to a case, not somebody we live

8:24:50 with, if we become as adults

8:24:53 in this area contact to a case, the government has already

8:24:56 identified us as critical infrastructure

8:24:59 workers, which means that we now have to, have to, required to

8:25:05 wear masks and we are

8:25:07 required to have a screening done at the school each day, which

8:25:11 would include a temperature

8:25:13 check and a series of questions. What I was talking about

8:25:20 earlier is if we were contact

8:25:22 to a case and that case is in our own home. If that case is in

8:25:28 our own home, we are quarantined

8:25:31 for 14 days with them. So, those are the instances of exposure

8:25:41 that we have dealt with so far.

8:25:45 At one point somebody said, “Chris, you just need to write out a

8:25:49 checklist and say here’s

8:25:50 what you do in this case. I will tell you, I’ve probably handled,

8:25:56 I can’t tell you the

8:25:58 number of cases I’ve handled,” and no one has been exactly the

8:26:02 same because the series

8:26:03 of questions that I have to ask to be able to get to what really

8:26:07 is happening in the

8:26:09 building, it is not just contact tracing but place tracing and

8:26:14 just going through to figure

8:26:16 out what parts of the building do we have to shut down, who do

8:26:19 we have to bring in to

8:26:20 clean it, who needs to be, who do we need to exclude from school

8:26:24 or from work, and in

8:26:26 each case I call Patty and I’ll tell you sometimes Patty and I

8:26:29 answer the same question the same

8:26:31 way 10 times and on the 11th time both she and I go, “Wait a

8:26:35 second. Wait a second. We

8:26:36 know the answer to this.” So, it is important to know that and

8:26:40 for the community to know

8:26:42 we talk to the Department of Health on every single instance,

8:26:48 much to their dismay sometimes.

8:26:51 So going on to the next slide, now it’s when a student or a

8:26:55 staff is diagnosed and again

8:26:58 it is dependent on them notifying us. Now, the Department of

8:27:03 Health, when they are able,

8:27:06 they will notify us when a student is ill with an infectious

8:27:11 disease but right now what

8:27:13 has happened is there are so many testing sites that actually

8:27:16 you get your information

8:27:18 about whether you tested positive or negative before it actually

8:27:21 gets sent to the Department

8:27:22 of Health. A lot of our families are choosing to go to Orlando

8:27:25 because they have the rapid

8:27:26 test over in Orlando. That takes a while to get to our

8:27:30 Department of Health. So, in order

8:27:33 for us to really get the information quickly, we’re dependent on

8:27:36 people to tell us that

8:27:38 I have tested positive. So, when we have a positive response in

8:27:44 coordination with Department

8:27:45 of Health, we will determine how much and for how long some part

8:27:50 or whole of a building

8:27:52 needs to be shut down. So, in the case of other infectious

8:27:57 diseases, so I’ll give you

8:27:58 the case of chickenpox, when the Department of Health notifies

8:28:02 us that a student has chickenpox,

8:28:06 our first step is to pull the immunization records and anybody

8:28:09 who is not immunized for

8:28:10 chickenpox is excluded from school. In this case, there is no

8:28:14 immunization, so there’s

8:28:16 no immunization record, so anybody is equally as likely in that

8:28:20 school to have had contact

8:28:21 with that student and we don’t presume to know all of the places

8:28:25 that a child goes in

8:28:27 a building or the siblings that they may have. So, we quickly

8:28:32 started down the path of if

8:28:34 we have a case, we know we’re going to shut down buildings and

8:28:38 then we quickly started

8:28:39 listing all of the exceptions to that. An example would be a

8:28:43 student who is transported

8:28:45 on a bus, who only attends one classroom, has no interaction

8:28:49 with any other student

8:28:50 there because they’re in a special needs program. That would not

8:28:54 be a case where we would look

8:28:55 at shutting down a whole building because they would have had

8:28:58 very, very limited exposure

8:28:59 to the rest of the campus. On the other hand, you might have a

8:29:03 student who has three siblings

8:29:05 and that student tested positive and the other students are

8:29:09 awaiting and we know we need

8:29:10 to shut that campus down for three days and we shut the campus

8:29:13 down for three days because

8:29:15 those rooms or areas of the campus that were used need to be

8:29:18 vacant for 24 to 48 hours

8:29:20 and then need a deep cleaning before we can allow students in.

8:29:24 So, when we talk about

8:29:25 right there, the BPS response team in coordination with the

8:29:28 Department of Health, the Department

8:29:30 of Health actually is a member of that response team in terms of

8:29:34 that coordination and we

8:29:36 will make a recommendation to the superintendent of how much of

8:29:40 a building or if an entire

8:29:41 building needs to be shut down for three days. In addition to

8:29:44 that, that student that tested

8:29:46 positive and everybody who lives with that student would be

8:29:50 excluded for school for 14

8:29:52 days. So, the next big question I get asked a lot at is

8:30:02 communication and how much we

8:30:04 can or can’t communicate. So, the Department of Health in Tallahassee

8:30:10 has generated a letter

8:30:12 that we have been using in the return to activity plan and I

8:30:17 sent you guys a copy of that. I

8:30:20 think I sent you guys a copy of that letter so that you could

8:30:23 see it. If not, I’ll be

8:30:24 happy to, but it basically says a child at school X, your child

8:30:29 may have come into contact

8:30:31 with a child at school X who has tested positive. It’s very

8:30:35 general. It is specifically worded.

8:30:38 The only language that’s changed on there at all is changed by

8:30:41 our Department of Health

8:30:42 and they add the school name in there and it is provided to the

8:30:46 students who are direct

8:30:48 contacts to the student that was positively impacted, who is

8:30:53 positively identified. In

8:30:56 the case of a whole school having to be shut down, that

8:30:59 communication is going to come

8:31:00 from us. It’s going to come through district communications and

8:31:04 our biggest concern right

8:31:05 now is if we get a test positive case that we find out about on

8:31:09 a Monday evening, how

8:31:10 do we let parents know we’re having to shut down a school on

8:31:14 Tuesday morning? So, we’re

8:31:16 working through that process and we’re working through the

8:31:18 response team process and that’s

8:31:20 going to be basically our main focus for the – my main focus

8:31:23 with that team for the next

8:31:25 two weeks because we need to be on solid ground for what that

8:31:30 looks like. When a building

8:31:32 is shut down, the custodial strike team will be implemented.

8:31:38 Right now, that strike team

8:31:41 consists of Petronica and Jim Powers. Jim Powers has been my

8:31:44 main contact through all

8:31:46 of this and has been outstanding. He coordinates with the school

8:31:50 where they need to go, all

8:31:52 of the areas in the building that have been impacted that they

8:31:55 were shut down, that they

8:31:56 have the appropriate supplies and asks if they need support from

8:31:59 the district in terms

8:32:00 of manpower. He then follows up with us here at the district as

8:32:05 well as the principal.

8:32:07 Here’s everything that we have done. Here’s everything that we

8:32:09 have implemented. Do you

8:32:10 need additional support? The return to school I’m going to talk

8:32:17 about a little bit later

8:32:19 what it’s going to take for the students infected with COVID to

8:32:24 return to school or who are

8:32:26 under that quarantine order because a family member is infected.

8:32:31 But the return to school

8:32:32 for the rest of the campuses is going to be decided by the

8:32:36 response team and the Department

8:32:38 of Health. Again, our goal is that we want to keep kids in

8:32:44 school, but we want to keep

8:32:47 kids in school safely. And we have to follow past precedents and

8:32:52 we also have to follow

8:32:54 the guidelines that we know and keep kids safe. I will tell you

8:33:01 the number one question

8:33:03 I get now is somebody calling up to find out if there’s a case

8:33:09 someplace. Parents want

8:33:12 to know, parents are scared, and they want to know what we’re

8:33:16 doing about it. And so

8:33:17 I think it’s important for parents to kind of know that process

8:33:20 and what we’re doing

8:33:21 about it. It’s going to impact our whole community when we have

8:33:26 to shut down a building for three

8:33:28 days. And much like Dr. Sullivan, I’m using the term when. In

8:33:37 the case when we do have

8:33:38 to do that, we are going to implement our instructional of, our

8:33:41 continuity of instruction

8:33:43 plan and our continuity of food services plan. So we already

8:33:48 have that being developed, that

8:33:51 have already been developed that we’re going to implement. I’ll

8:33:53 tell you one of the tasks

8:33:55 that I know leading and learning and their teams are looking at

8:33:58 is what happens on a

8:34:00 three-day closure. You know, if you have to implement a

8:34:03 continuity of instruction plan

8:34:05 and you have to get out technology, you know, three days isn’t

8:34:10 even enough time to get out

8:34:12 technology, much less get it in. So what would a three-day

8:34:16 instructional continuity plan

8:34:18 look like? And then there’s going to be cases where we may have

8:34:22 to shut down for longer

8:34:23 periods of time. And what does that continuity of instruction

8:34:27 plan look like? So they’re

8:34:30 going to be looking at phased out and phased in continuity of

8:34:37 instruction plans. So when

8:34:40 can people return to the building? So an employee or a student

8:34:46 who has an asymptomatic case

8:34:48 of COVID-19 may return after 14 days, meaning we can’t tell when

8:34:54 the symptoms started or

8:34:56 stopped because they never had any. So from the point of the

8:35:00 test, they can come back

8:35:01 within 14 days. We are looking at the legalities of whether we

8:35:06 can require a negative test

8:35:08 result prior to them returning. We don’t have that answer yet.

8:35:13 An employee or a student

8:35:14 who has a confirmed or a presumed case can return 10 days after

8:35:19 the last symptom has

8:35:21 passed without medication. So if you remember, I said somebody

8:35:25 who is quarantining with a

8:35:27 family member and they’re not a presumed case, they’re just quarantining

8:35:33 with a family member,

8:35:34 I said they have to stay home for 14 days unless they become

8:35:38 symptomatic. Once they

8:35:39 become symptomatic, they are now a presumed case, and so they

8:35:43 have to stay home for 10

8:35:45 days beyond their last symptom. And again, we’re looking at the

8:35:51 legalities of whether

8:35:52 we can require a negative test prior to anybody returning. And I

8:35:58 think I already covered this.

8:35:59 I’m pretty sure I already covered this. I did. Employees or

8:36:02 students who live with someone

8:36:04 with a confirmed case, they are not allowed to return to school

8:36:07 or work for 14 days unless

8:36:08 they become symptomatic, in which case they have to stay 10 days

8:36:13 out past their last symptom

8:36:15 without medication. So our medically vulnerable students, we

8:36:24 talked a little bit about that

8:36:26 individual health plan. We’re spending much more time on

8:36:31 emphasizing teachers’ responsibilities

8:36:35 or understanding what that health plan is and how it needs to be

8:36:39 implemented. We expect

8:36:40 those plans to be fully implemented for each of our medically

8:36:45 fragile students. We also

8:36:47 want to make sure that we’re looking if those students actually

8:36:51 have a 504 plan in place

8:36:54 or a chronic health condition or if need be, if it’s appropriate,

8:36:59 an IEP. So we sometimes

8:37:01 will get a student that has a chronic health condition and five

8:37:06 years later we’re looking

8:37:08 at a loss of academic achievement and we realize that that

8:37:13 student should have had a 504 plan.

8:37:16 And so we really want to take a look at all of our medically

8:37:18 fragile students and make

8:37:20 sure all of the appropriate legal paperwork is in place to

8:37:24 protect them, their medical

8:37:26 needs and their educational needs. Another big ask of our

8:37:31 parents is to work very closely

8:37:33 with our school clinics as they go through this process. I’ll

8:37:37 tell you one of the things

8:37:38 that has been, I’ll be frank, very frustrating to me is my

8:37:42 negotiators. When I say you have

8:37:44 to stay home for 14 days and people start negotiating with me,

8:37:48 but what if I get a negative

8:37:50 test result? Well you can get a negative test result if you’re

8:37:54 in an incubation period.

8:37:56 Well what if my spouse gets better and gets a negative test

8:38:00 result beyond the 14 days?

8:38:03 Well now you could be in the incubation period. I will tell you

8:38:08 that I started asking all

8:38:10 of the negotiation questions to the Department of Health. I

8:38:13 would say but what about this?

8:38:14 But what about that? Because I really, really wanted to support

8:38:17 our people that want to

8:38:17 be in the building. And after they answered each one with a

8:38:22 medically logical sound answer,

8:38:25 I realized there’s a reason why 14 days was put in place and 10

8:38:30 days beyond the last symptom.

8:38:33 And so I’ll tell you now I just answer the negotiators with this

8:38:39 is what we’re doing.

8:38:42 You know if I get something different or new, I’ll be happy to

8:38:44 share it with Patty. But

8:38:46 right now we’re kind of getting the same questions. So when we

8:38:53 talk about school closure, it can

8:38:55 be closed for two different reasons. And I think it’s important

8:38:59 for our public to understand

8:39:01 that we have to be responsive for both. The first reason is for

8:39:05 health. If we have a case

8:39:07 positive that we know impacted a large section of the school and

8:39:11 we know we’re going to have

8:39:12 to close it down for cleaning, that’s a health concern. But our

8:39:18 other concern is when operationally

8:39:20 we can’t function. We asked some of the principals and the

8:39:23 secondary principals because I haven’t

8:39:25 been on with the elementary principals yet to send me their

8:39:28 estimate of when they can

8:39:30 no longer safely operate the school. How many people have to be

8:39:34 out sick before you are

8:39:35 unable to run classes? Because if we don’t have teachers and we

8:39:41 can’t get subs, and we

8:39:43 begin to use all of our auxiliary personnel to be in those

8:39:46 classrooms, at some point we’re

8:39:49 combining classes or putting kids into close quarters that are

8:39:52 dangerous. And so we know

8:39:54 operationally that there is going to become a tipping point

8:39:57 where we can no longer operate

8:39:59 schools with a lack of personnel there. I’ll tell you the

8:40:04 percentages have surprisingly

8:40:07 all come in from the principals at around the same percentage.

8:40:11 So I’ll be sharing that

8:40:13 with Cabinet on Monday and we’ll be kind of looking through the

8:40:17 mathematics of that to

8:40:19 see what that means for us. But we will have kind of a standard

8:40:23 when we reach this point,

8:40:25 the response team will review the case and bring it to the

8:40:28 superintendent for a recommendation.

8:40:30 It is important to know that the Cabinet does not close

8:40:34 buildings, the Department of Health

8:40:37 doesn’t close buildings, the superintendent has to make that

8:40:39 recommendation. So we’ll

8:40:41 be making the recommendation to him based on the conversations

8:40:44 that we have as a response

8:40:45 team. The other thing that we’ve talked about in an effort to

8:40:52 keep buildings open and running

8:40:56 is there may be, and I don’t even presume to guess where we may

8:41:01 end up in this, a situation

8:41:03 in which two buildings might be at 50% capacity and the loss of

8:41:09 personnel is causing an inability

8:41:13 to run that building. There may be an opportunity for those

8:41:16 buildings to be combined to keep

8:41:19 running with the personnel there. I don’t know what that looks

8:41:22 like, but I don’t want

8:41:23 to not have it here and surprise you with it later. I don’t view

8:41:27 this as a first, a

8:41:28 second or even a fifth resort, but I do see this as an

8:41:32 opportunity to keep a building

8:41:34 functioning if we’ve fallen below critical mass with us being

8:41:43 able to run it safely.

8:41:46 Ryan you’ve waited all day. You’re up. Yay, Brian. Okay, none of

8:42:05 us got a yay. None of

8:42:05 us. None of us. You didn’t wait all day, though. They’re waiting

8:42:06 for me to say something so

8:42:06 different, so anyway. You’re just trying to wake them up. Yes. I’ve

8:42:07 stayed awake. Well,

8:42:07 I looked over at them and I thought I needed to ease them into

8:42:08 where we were. My battery

8:42:08 went dead three hours ago. And I didn’t wait enough to get a

8:42:09 packet, so I apologize. So

8:42:09 hey, first of all, I want to thank the board and obviously thank

8:42:15 Dr. Mullins and all the

8:42:18 leadership team for bringing it on to the task force early on.

8:42:22 So we’re part of the

8:42:23 big picture and see what’s occurring. Currently, you know how

8:42:28 the sheriff feels and all of

8:42:30 you feel. Thank you, Dr. Mullins. With security obviously being

8:42:35 a priority for all of us.

8:42:37 With that being said, I was tasked with some questions about our

8:42:43 drills. We’re obviously

8:42:44 fluid and flexible, just like the whole conversation has been

8:42:47 today, but within the confines of

8:42:49 what the statutory requirements are. So there’s some news media

8:42:54 outlets reporting that there

8:42:56 may be a reduction in drills for this upcoming school year. We

8:42:59 have gotten no guidance on

8:43:01 that whatsoever from the Office of Safe Schools. So there is a

8:43:04 class, a conference at the end

8:43:06 of the month that Mr. Novelli is attending. There could be some

8:43:09 additional guidance come

8:43:10 out of that, but for right now, we can’t wait. We want to be

8:43:13 transparent with our community,

8:43:14 with our parents to say, hey, here’s what we’re trying to do

8:43:18 with our drills. So again,

8:43:20 all drills must be completed for Florida State statute. It’s not

8:43:24 an option for this district.

8:43:25 We must do it, and we should do it. So we do lockdown drills,

8:43:31 not getting into the weeds

8:43:32 of our security procedures. Our lockdown drills, everyone knows,

8:43:37 involves lights going out,

8:43:39 and our children, our students going to a safe place. We have to

8:43:43 think globally here

8:43:44 during this pandemic. If we can avoid putting all of those kids,

8:43:49 our students, into a confined

8:43:51 area, we should. And what we should be doing is talking about

8:43:55 the procedure from A to Z

8:43:57 with them. We don’t suspend the drills, but there’s things we

8:44:01 can do to mitigate the drills,

8:44:03 mitigate that particular, you know, put them in that particular

8:44:07 situation and spreading

8:44:08 any type of virus. So that’s what we’re going to do unless we

8:44:13 receive guidance a week before

8:44:15 school’s starting from the Office of Safe Schools or someone

8:44:18 else that tells us otherwise.

8:44:20 So that’s what we’re planning for now. Evacuation drills, you’ll

8:44:24 see the bullet point here will

8:44:26 be inducted with consideration of social distancing guidelines.

8:44:29 But again, we’ve got to remember

8:44:30 where that’s practical. Our students will evacuate in a orderly

8:44:35 fashion during the drills,

8:44:37 try and maintain that social distancing to the best of our

8:44:39 extent, and still go through

8:44:41 the motions. It’s so important that our students know what to do

8:44:43 during an emergency, and we

8:44:45 can’t ever lose sight of that. Now, on the other side of that,

8:44:48 if there’s a true emergency,

8:44:49 we all know. If we order a lockdown, we expect our students to

8:44:53 go into their safe place.

8:44:54 If it’s a true emergency, there’s no other way around that. And

8:44:58 I think that would be

8:45:00 the expectation of everybody here and our parents. When it comes

8:45:06 down to our SROs and

8:45:07 our safety specialists, their roles haven’t changed. Obviously,

8:45:11 you know, some of the

8:45:12 procedures they do, they’ll have to social distance as well

8:45:16 throughout the day. But their

8:45:18 roles haven’t changed. They’ll be there doing the same thing.

8:45:21 They’ll be there assisting

8:45:23 with our staffs at the schools. They have a daunting task with

8:45:26 all of this. So we’re

8:45:27 just there to help out in any way we can.

8:45:33 » Thank you.

8:45:40 » So that takes us to Brevard After School, I think, Jane.

8:45:45 » Yes, it does. So they’re –

8:45:46 » I’m supposed to take – I was apparently supposed to take

8:45:48 questions after 42.

8:45:50 » It’s your – it’s your decision. We can go through these two?

8:45:54 » Are you guys good if we –

8:45:55 » Yeah.

8:45:56 » Good. We’ve got two more with Jane, and then we can go back

8:45:59 and take questions from

8:46:00 42 on through. Is that good for all? Ms. McDougall, are you good

8:46:05 with that?

8:46:05 » I’m good with that.

8:46:06 » All right, Ms. Cline.

8:46:07 » So new to my world, Brevard After Care, we are working on

8:46:16 protocols to have a program

8:46:20 because it has been requested. It is part of so many routines,

8:46:24 but we have to put the

8:46:26 social distancing and other procedures in place. So we are

8:46:31 currently working on a plan

8:46:35 to have both before and after school in all of our 57 elementary

8:46:40 schools. We’ll follow

8:46:41 the same guidelines to include the hand washing and the cleaning

8:46:46 protocols. We’re working

8:46:48 on developing a staggered entry plan of the parents dropping off,

8:46:53 where the drop-off will

8:46:55 be, the sign-in/sign-out form, and doing that electronically, as

8:47:03 well as the pick-up procedures.

8:47:06 We are going to ask students to keep their backpacks and their

8:47:10 personal items with them

8:47:12 instead of – typically they keep them, you know, kind of put

8:47:15 them in the corner and everybody

8:47:17 grabs them. We’re asking students to keep their own items with

8:47:21 them. We will use the

8:47:23 cafeteria social distancing plan that we currently have for food

8:47:28 service. We’ll be cleaning between

8:47:30 each time students move about the program. We will use small

8:47:37 group activities following

8:47:39 social distancing, but we may have to limit enrollment based on

8:47:46 the capacity of the room

8:47:48 in which is available in the school and how many students we can

8:47:53 safely put in there.

8:47:54 For example, right now we’re at 50 for a group, so we would have

8:48:01 to limit that unless we had

8:48:03 more than one space within an elementary school. So that’s where

8:48:08 we are. We’re meeting with

8:48:10 Dr. Karen Ivory from my division has been given the task to take

8:48:21 over the leadership

8:48:22 of Brevard Aftercare as the director, and then we’ve hired a new

8:48:27 coordinator, Theresa

8:48:28 Kavanagh. So the two of them are working on plans to activate

8:48:34 this in a safe manner for

8:48:36 opening in the fall. And then the last slide we have is this is

8:48:43 not a complete list, but

8:48:46 it is the beginning. Some of these things are already in place,

8:48:50 and some of them are

8:48:51 just reminders for principals. They have to develop a

8:48:56 registration process that limits

8:48:59 direct contact and large group gatherings. That includes their

8:49:06 faculty meetings, because

8:49:09 if the faculty is more than 50, we have to figure out a way, and

8:49:13 we have to do that with

8:49:15 social distancing. A lot of our schools are already thinking

8:49:21 about outside under the pavilions,

8:49:24 different places to have their beginning the school faculty

8:49:28 meetings. We have to make sure

8:49:30 that not only our teachers and our custodial staff, but any of

8:49:34 our substitutes are trained

8:49:36 in the procedures and protocols related to COVID-19. They have

8:49:44 to plan for how they’re

8:49:46 going to replenish the PPE equipment that we’ve given them using

8:49:51 the monies that we’ve

8:49:52 set aside through CARES. They have to plan the classroom

8:49:57 cleaning protocol when the classes

8:50:00 rotate. And this is also when a class may be at recess, our

8:50:04 custodians could be in cleaning

8:50:06 that classroom at that time. The hallway movement patterns we’ve

8:50:11 talked about a little bit,

8:50:12 but minimizing that face-to-face contact. Ensure that all our

8:50:18 custodians have completed

8:50:20 the training and the protocols about infection control. We have

8:50:27 to place posters, and as

8:50:29 Dr. Sullivan said earlier, Molly Vega has taken on the role of

8:50:34 ordering posters for

8:50:36 our schools, but we’re going to have the COVID-19 educational

8:50:40 materials. We’re going to strategically

8:50:42 place those throughout the school and the classrooms. We are

8:50:50 verifying that the classrooms

8:50:51 are set up to maximize distance. I think it was Mr. Susan

8:50:56 earlier said, how are we going

8:50:59 to verify that these things are going on? Well, the directors

8:51:04 and Dr. Sullivan and I

8:51:06 will be working directly with the principals to make sure that

8:51:09 these things are in place

8:51:11 and are followed up. We have to plan for the family engagement

8:51:15 activities to be virtual.

8:51:16 We talked earlier about kindergarten, but it’s not just

8:51:20 kindergarten. It’s transitioned

8:51:22 from 6th grade to 7th grade. It’s transitioned from 8th grade to

8:51:27 9th grade. Parents want

8:51:29 to know what the school looks like, and it may be their first

8:51:32 experience in that school,

8:51:34 so we have to provide that virtual experience. We have to, it

8:51:40 came up a lot in our feedback.

8:51:43 The arrival and dismissal procedures. You know, in elementary we

8:51:48 use our patrols. They’re

8:51:49 opening doors. We have to rethink that because we can’t expose a

8:51:55 patrol to opening a car

8:51:57 door and not knowing the situation in that car. So a lot has

8:52:05 gone into, our principals

8:52:09 are already working this, and I know all of you said, you know,

8:52:12 hats off to our principals.

8:52:14 It is truly a very unique and very different time for our

8:52:22 principals, but we are trying,

8:52:26 all of us are trying to guide and support them and direct them

8:52:29 and give them additional

8:52:31 support, and I think that, you know, we, like I said earlier, we

8:52:36 have, I have work groups

8:52:38 that are working around to help solve and be the thought

8:52:42 partners for our principals,

8:52:45 and that work is ongoing. So that is the principals checklist,

8:52:52 and I believe we have covered it

8:52:54 all. We’re gone. I don’t know, do you want to break before we

8:53:12 circle back with the revisit

8:53:14 list, Dr. Mullins, or do you want to trudge through? We didn’t

8:53:22 take the question in the

8:53:23 Q&A after that last section, so I would suggest we do that, just

8:53:28 to follow where we’ve been.

8:53:30 If we do break to get food, I would propose a working pizza

8:53:37 discussion, and so –

8:53:39 » All right. So I will take questions from slides 38 to 45. Ms.

8:53:53 Campbell?

8:53:56 » So just where did it go? On the principal checklist, the

8:54:02 replenishment of initial supplies

8:54:04 and PPE, that is going to be expected to come from their CARES

8:54:08 funding that you’ve set aside

8:54:09 for each school?

8:54:12 » That is correct.

8:54:13 » That we talked about this morning or whenever it was.

8:54:16 » Yes, yes, sometime today. And our procurement team, Don – no,

8:54:23 Don Richard has, is developing

8:54:25 a list of where we’ve already purchased things, and so that the

8:54:29 supplies are –

8:54:30 » So we have the bulk pricing, whatever, they’ll just need to

8:54:33 keep track of their own,

8:54:34 how their supply list is going, how their supplies are going,

8:54:38 okay. And then I’ll just

8:54:43 say this part, the closing school part, this is the part that

8:54:47 makes me nauseous. You know,

8:54:52 in and out, in and out. And I’m sure you guys have been nauseous

8:54:55 for me thinking about it

8:54:57 for a while. One thing that we haven’t talked about is we’ve

8:55:02 briefly – it’s been mentioned

8:55:03 every now and then is the substitute situation. You know, I’ve

8:55:07 got teachers e-mailing me saying,

8:55:10 you know, we can’t do the – oh, we don’t have a sub, so we’ve

8:55:12 got to split classes

8:55:13 and combine them, and we can’t do that. So are those the kind of

8:55:19 situations if we consist

8:55:20 – and I know sometimes even principals will step in and sub for

8:55:24 a class and cover and,

8:55:25 you know, subs don’t get a planning period because they go cover,

8:55:28 you’re not as a sub

8:55:29 – guaranteed a planning period anyway. But if we get to a

8:55:32 situation where we’re just

8:55:33 not covering, are those the kind of circumstances where you’re

8:55:36 talking about we have to close

8:55:37 temporarily?

8:55:38 » Yeah. We’re looking at what the threshold is for the response

8:55:43 team to review it. And

8:55:44 it’s not just we have a one day where we have 20% of our faculty

8:55:49 out, it is a we have 20%

8:55:52 of our faculty out and they are projected to be out for so many

8:55:55 more days.

8:55:56 » Right.

8:55:57 » So it’s hard – it’s hard to talk about it right now only

8:55:59 because we haven’t determined

8:56:01 that threshold. I’ve gotten feedback from maybe five or six

8:56:05 secondary principals so

8:56:07 far, haven’t been able to speak to the elementary principals yet

8:56:11 since we started talking about

8:56:14 this part of it two days ago. But what we’re going to do is just

8:56:21 try to get some feedback

8:56:23 from them. I mean they know how they can safely function in

8:56:26 their building and continue to

8:56:27 instruct students and meet the guidelines of the plan. And then

8:56:31 we’ll take that percentage

8:56:32 to cabinet and we’ll determine what the threshold is to review.

8:56:37 I started out kind of really

8:56:40 black and white on things that you know we’re going to

8:56:43 absolutely do it this way. And now

8:56:45 having – I’m going to say I’ve been through probably 30 or 40

8:56:50 different COVID scenarios.

8:56:53 I realize that there’s all kinds of gray in there that needs to

8:56:57 be worked through. So

8:56:59 that’s our plan.

8:57:00 » Gotcha.

8:57:01 » Ms. Campbell, if I could add, it’s going to seem strange at

8:57:04 first but this was a strong

8:57:05 factor in our block recommendation. Because a student who’s

8:57:11 found out to be positive is

8:57:14 going to in almost certainty have four teachers, you know, so

8:57:19 about seven teachers for 14 days

8:57:23 in one fell swoop. And that’s one student attending seven

8:57:30 classes in a day. And that

8:57:33 was one of the reasons we pressed past it’s hard, it’s this, it’s

8:57:37 that, it’s whatever.

8:57:39 One student, seven teachers, one fell swoop. And that’s assuming

8:57:43 there’s not other sub

8:57:45 context with the coach that’s his buddy, you know, and this and

8:57:48 that. One student can have

8:57:50 that kind of impact on a school. And not that four is better,

8:57:55 but it’s better. And so those

8:57:59 people in contact and our potential risk for being on the 14 day

8:58:03 quarantine.

8:58:05 » Potential and potential risk because they’re critical

8:58:08 infrastructure workers. So there’s

8:58:08 there’s, we got to always keep that in mind.

8:58:10 » Right. And the other thing that’s going through my mind and

8:58:14 because I just know you’re

8:58:16 you’re still tweaking how this is going to happen. But on our FSBA

8:58:19 call a couple weeks

8:58:20 ago, I don’t know if you’re listening in Ms. Belford, but we had

8:58:25 the lady who is I can’t

8:58:27 remember what her name is, but she’s at the State Department of

8:58:31 Health. One of the doctors,

8:58:33 the main epidemiologist for the for the state.

8:58:35 » Dr. Blackmore.

8:58:36 » Hmm.

8:58:37 » Dr. Blackmore.

8:58:38 » Probably.

8:58:39 » I could find it in my email. But one of the things that she

8:58:42 said was because they

8:58:43 specifically asked, I remember typing in this question in the

8:58:46 chat. So you’re telling me

8:58:47 if there’s a positive case in the classroom that that whole

8:58:50 classroom plus the teacher,

8:58:51 all those people are to be, you know, quarantined for 14 days.

8:58:55 And she clarified, she said,

8:58:56 well, it’s going to depend on who’s directly around the student,

8:59:00 you know, and even to

8:59:01 the point of saying, well, every teacher every day needs to kind

8:59:04 of have a picture of who’s

8:59:05 there and where they’re sitting or whatever and, you know, your

8:59:07 assigned seat because

8:59:07 she said, you know, a student who was 20 feet across the room

8:59:11 all day is not necessarily

8:59:13 a contact point. So are we going to get down to that specific or

8:59:16 we’re going to say there’s

8:59:17 a positive case in this classroom, so the whole entire class

8:59:20 plus the teacher, they’re

8:59:21 all well, except for the teacher because they’re an essential

8:59:23 worker, they’re all they’re all

8:59:24 going home. Are we going to say, all right, this group of kids

8:59:29 around that positive case

8:59:31 and I plus I saw them, you know, much in the hallway or whatever,

8:59:34 you know, they’re all

8:59:36 going home. So this mission on campus, but you know, I’ll just

8:59:40 tell you the cases just

8:59:42 I want you to think in terms of of your parents, the parents

8:59:46 that are in that are going to

8:59:47 call your offices, the parents whose kids are in our schools. So

8:59:52 in the elementary setting,

8:59:54 basically the guidelines are within six feet for longer than 15

8:59:57 minutes. So we can assume

8:59:59 any one of our kids is in is in contact with their peers for

9:00:03 longer than 15 minutes in

9:00:05 either the elementary setting or the secondary setting. In an

9:00:09 elementary setting, when they’re

9:00:11 in with the same teacher all day long, there’s no way, no way I

9:00:14 couldn’t say that kids weren’t

9:00:16 around each other closer than six feet farther away than six

9:00:21 feet in the secondary setting.

9:00:24 Now you’re looking at not just contact tracing one classroom

9:00:27 with 25 kids or 28 kids, you’re

9:00:30 looking at contact tracing across seven classrooms and hallways

9:00:35 and cafeterias. So I hesitate

9:00:38 to give you an answer other than we’re going to do the best we

9:00:41 can with the information

9:00:43 that we have. We will be sending students home. We are going to

9:00:48 use the guidance that

9:00:49 if we cannot prove they weren’t within six feet for longer than

9:00:52 15 minutes, we’re going

9:00:53 to err on the side of caution. And the phone calls that you are

9:00:57 going to get are going

9:00:58 to be on both ends of the spectrum. How dare you send my child

9:01:03 home for 14 as well as how

9:01:05 dare you not tell me that there was a COVID case and you did not

9:01:08 do something about it.

9:01:09 So it is a lose-lose proposition, but the win is that we’re

9:01:14 keeping kids safe and healthy.

9:01:17 I’m sorry.

9:01:19 » Like I said earlier, I don’t have to like it.

9:01:28 » Thank you, Ms. Campbell. Ms. Campbell, did you have more for

9:01:31 this section or are

9:01:32 you good?

9:01:33 » No. The only other comments I have are just – or questions,

9:01:35 rather, are just general

9:01:36 – not on this section. They can speak.

9:01:40 » Okay. Ms. Duskovich, did you have anything for this

9:01:41 particular section?

9:01:42 » No, I’m good right now. Thank you.

9:01:45 » Ms. McDougald, did you have anything for this particular

9:01:50 section?

9:01:51 » Mr. Susan, I’m afraid to ask.

9:01:53 » Yep. Here we go. Nope. So one of the – so going to first

9:02:00 page, which is 38, does the

9:02:02 DOH have the capability to cross the addresses and notify us of

9:02:07 the tests? Meaning out in

9:02:09 the random world of this testing environment, you know, this guy

9:02:16 tests. All of a sudden

9:02:18 we look back at the address and that matches, ding, ding, ding,

9:02:23 BPS’s addresses and we notify.

9:02:25 Is there a back tunnel like that or no?

9:02:27 » For BPS to notify?

9:02:29 » No. For us to be notified by you, if a test in the county is

9:02:34 positive, that is also

9:02:35 at one of our addresses so that we can be notified prior to the

9:02:39 families. Because I

9:02:41 know in some cases – and this is just my thoughts and not fact,

9:02:46 but I know in some

9:02:47 cases some parents would – they may not tell people because

9:02:52 they’re afraid that their child

9:02:54 is going to be labeled so they just keep them out, right, and

9:02:59 that’s okay. But for our protection,

9:03:02 we may need that. Is there a way to do that or no?

9:03:05 » I can tell you just like with any other contagious disease,

9:03:09 if we’re getting notified

9:03:11 and we do get notified of every positive COVID, if we know that

9:03:15 the child is school, we go

9:03:16 to the school district and say, hey, there’s a positive case in

9:03:21 this school. So we can’t

9:03:23 identify the address of the person. We can’t even identify the

9:03:28 student to anybody except

9:03:31 we can tell them what school they’re in, but we can’t notify

9:03:34 anybody else.

9:03:35 » So you know the school that the student attends but no other

9:03:39 information?

9:03:41 » We as DOH, no. We know everything about the student.

9:03:48 » So you know all of – so whether it’s a student or whether it’s

9:03:50 a person that tests

9:03:51 for the COVID, they have – you have their address. You have

9:03:54 everything, right?

9:03:55 » For us to do contact tracing, correct.

9:03:58 » Is that address then provided if we give you a list of our

9:04:01 addresses, a ping that says

9:04:02

9:04:03 » No. No, we don’t do that. We can’t do that.

9:04:08 » That’s not HIPAA. That’s all that. Okay.

9:04:10 » Correct.

9:04:11 » Okay.

9:04:12 » We notify the school district when there’s a child in the

9:04:13 school that’s positive, and

9:04:14 then they take it from there as to what school, what classroom,

9:04:18 and they do that.

9:04:19 » It’s just something I was wondering because it would help us

9:04:22 identify. Okay. So we have

9:04:24 a lot of these things, 14 days, 10 days, all of that, and I’m

9:04:27 assuming that that is directly

9:04:29 from the CDC. We talked about that, right?

9:04:31 » Yeah. So the guidelines that we got from the CDC, the 10 days,

9:04:36 I kept saying it was

9:04:37 10 days plus 3 days beyond our last fever. And so I combined

9:04:42 those two things, and looking

9:04:44 at the way it’s written now, this is the way it’s going to be

9:04:46 written in our plan. It is

9:04:47 10 days from the onset of symptoms and 72 hours beyond the last

9:04:53 fever without taking

9:04:55 medicine and 72 hours since the symptoms have improved. So it’s

9:05:00 a longer standard, but that’s

9:05:02 what – that’s how it’s going to read.

9:05:03 » And if for some reason the CDC comes out next week and says,

9:05:07 “We changed all that.”

9:05:09 » Yes.

9:05:10 » Are we going to adopt hours to follow the current CDC

9:05:12 guidelines next week, or will

9:05:14 we in your mind try to continue down the path that we’re

9:05:17 currently on with the 14 days and

9:05:20 everything else?

9:05:21 » Yeah, one of – my recommendation would be that we follow the

9:05:24 CDC and DOH guidelines

9:05:25 from the –

9:05:26 » If they change, we change.

9:05:27 » If they change, we change. That would be my recommendation.

9:05:31 » Okay. This one caught me, and I wanted to get a little bit

9:05:34 more in depth on it. The

9:05:36 sick leave employees would be able to apply for COVID leave and/or

9:05:40 if it’s already been

9:05:41 used to use their personal sick leave. Can you give me an

9:05:44 example of when somebody in

9:05:45 our district would have to use their sick leave?

9:05:48 » So if an employee already took their COVID leave, if they

9:05:53 were – either they were symptomatic

9:05:56 or they took it for other reasons, and then they came to school,

9:06:01 and then they got sick

9:06:03 with COVID, and their leave no longer existed – their COVID

9:06:07 leave no longer existed because

9:06:09 they used it for the other reasons that they were allowed, they

9:06:11 would have to apply and

9:06:12 use their sick leave.

9:06:16 » Okay. So if I’m an employee and I get – I test positive for

9:06:21 COVID, I’m told to go home

9:06:23 for 14 days. After the 14 days, I apply and get another test,

9:06:29 and it shows that I still

9:06:31 have it because we’re seeing some symptoms up to 50, 60 days.

9:06:35 Are you saying that there’s

9:06:36 a window where I may have to start using my own sick leave based

9:06:38 upon the fact that I’ve

9:06:39 already used during that 50, 60 days the COVID?

9:06:44 » Right now, the way we operate, and this is really HR, so if I

9:06:46 step on it, Beth, would

9:06:48 you rather me just shut up?

9:06:49 » No, you’re actually doing very well, but if you want me to

9:06:51 take over, I can.

9:06:52 » Yeah, take it.

9:06:53 » Yes, they would be using their leave. And we do have cases

9:06:56 where somebody has already

9:06:57 taken COVID leave or a portion of COVID leave while awaiting a

9:07:01 negative test, you know,

9:07:02 and they’ve gotten a negative test and they’ve come back and

9:07:06 then get sick later. I’m anticipating

9:07:08 more of that. I’m also anticipating rather robust discussions

9:07:12 with our unions about it

9:07:14 as well.

9:07:16 » How long is COVID leave?

9:07:18 » There’s – under the Families First Coronavirus Response Act

9:07:22 that was put out, I guess, in

9:07:24 March at some point, the emergency sick leave provision is 10

9:07:29 days. And there are six prongs

9:07:32 to that emergency sick leave. Three of the prongs are at 100% of

9:07:36 pay. Three of the prongs

9:07:37 are at 2/3 pay.

9:07:41 » So we force everybody to stay out for 14 days, but we only

9:07:45 pay them through the sick

9:07:46 leave piece, that 10 days, right? So there’s four days that they

9:07:50 would have to, if they

9:07:51 tested positive under the current ones, use their own sick leave

9:07:54 or not get paid?

9:07:54 » Yes, that is correct. There’s potential for that.

9:07:57 » And is that money from the COVID backed up by a federal money,

9:08:00 or is that part of

9:08:01 our CARES Act money that we already have?

9:08:03 » No, it’s not part of CARES Act money. This is the expansion

9:08:07 of FEMA – not FEMA, I’m

9:08:08 sorry – the FMLA, and it’s through the Families First Coronavirus

9:08:13 Response Act.

9:08:14 » So we have – do we – and I’m sorry to go through this

9:08:16 because I just need to learn

9:08:17 about it. We apply for that after the fact, or we’ve been given

9:08:22 X amount of dollars that

9:08:24 we tap into?

9:08:25 » We have not been given a specific amount of money. In fact,

9:08:28 right now, we’re just collecting

9:08:30 the data on people who are out and we’re paying, you know, we’re

9:08:32 just – we’re working through

9:08:33 payroll the same way we always would. It’s, as I understand it,

9:08:37 a reimbursement.

9:08:38 » Kind of like FEMA, we’re applying for it. It goes back. We

9:08:41 don’t know how long. There’s

9:08:43 no direction as to when we would get return pay on it or

9:08:45 anything.

9:08:46 » That’s correct.

9:08:47 » But just a second because I want to clarify the 14 and the 10

9:08:50 days. The 10 days that we’re

9:08:51 required to pay, those are working days.

9:08:54 » Correct.

9:08:55 » And the 14 days someone would have to be out, those are

9:08:57 literal days.

9:08:57 » Those are calendar days.

9:08:59 » So that actually would most of the time equate to 10 working

9:09:03 days would be the 14

9:09:04 days. Does that make sense? So it’s not that they’re going to be

9:09:07 out 14 days and they only

9:09:09 get paid for 10 of them.

9:09:10 » I couldn’t agree with you more on that.

9:09:12 » Okay. Just wanted to clarify that.

9:09:13 » There’s going to be – but there are – there may be

9:09:16 instances where that’s not the case,

9:09:18 but that’s not where I’m going. I just – and maybe we need to

9:09:22 discuss this now or Dr. Mullins

9:09:25 tell me if we need to discuss it later, but I just got a problem

9:09:27 with somebody that comes

9:09:28 into our schools that tests positive for COVID and then all of a

9:09:31 sudden they end up having

9:09:33 to stay out because it’s not their fault. They may be more symptomatic

9:09:37 than anybody

9:09:37 else and then they’re out 40 days. And then because they chose

9:09:41 our profession, we end

9:09:42 up not paying them for 30 of those 40 days or however many that

9:09:47 are actual work days.

9:09:48 I have an issue with that. Like I think that that’s a big deal

9:09:52 for me. So is that something

9:09:53 we need to talk about labor because we’re going into

9:09:55 negotiations or is that something

9:09:57 we discuss now?

9:10:01 » I don’t know that we’re prepared to talk about it now because

9:10:04 what you’re suggesting

9:10:05 I would propose has financial implications to the district. So

9:10:12 if that’s – if the board

9:10:14 wants us to do an analysis of what that could be, that would

9:10:17 take some time to do. We’re

9:10:18 not prepared to discuss that today, but we can certainly take

9:10:22 direction from the board.

9:10:23 » So I was looking at this because I knew that when I was

9:10:25 looking at it last night I

9:10:26 was trying to put together as fast as I could the numbers. We

9:10:29 already allocate the amount

9:10:31 of money that we need for the individuals that are inside of our

9:10:33 schools through our

9:10:34 budget. So the budgetary items that we would be referring to to

9:10:38 get paid back for would

9:10:39 be actual substitute costs. Is that the cost that we would be

9:10:42 referring to? Dr. Thette,

9:10:44 do you know?

9:10:46 » No, not just substitute costs. Because with the COVID leave,

9:10:51 the Families First Coronavirus

9:10:54 Response Act would pay that amount of money for that leave, not

9:10:57 for the substitute. Because

9:10:59 keep in mind, many of these occurred while we weren’t using

9:11:04 substitutes at all. We would

9:11:06 still bear the cost of the substitute should that scenario that

9:11:09 you just explained happen.

9:11:11 » Okay. So maybe now is not the time to talk about it because

9:11:14 you’re right, we need to

9:11:15 do it. But how do we – what is the process for that being the

9:11:18 fact that we’re coming

9:11:19 back early August, and you want to plan together that probably

9:11:24 includes this to be signed off

9:11:26 on, what is the time period? When would you know the

9:11:31 ramifications behind this? Go to

9:11:34 the teacher’s union and present it. When would they – I mean,

9:11:37 where is that? Do you understand

9:11:39 what I mean? If now is not the time to talk about it and we’re

9:11:42 ramping up on a short schedule,

9:11:44 when is it that we should be discussing this as a board to give

9:11:47 direction whether we support

9:11:49 paying our people or not pass the COVID leave that we have?

9:11:54 » I would – first, it’s not part of this plan because it’s

9:11:58 really an employment factor,

9:11:59 not a reopening factor. So it’s really two separate issues. I’d

9:12:04 have to get with the

9:12:05 team and we’d have to develop a proposal. I anticipate it would

9:12:09 require doing some research,

9:12:10 knowing what the impacts are, because it will have implications

9:12:14 on other employees requesting

9:12:15 leave and being out as well. So it would require likely another

9:12:19 board workshop just around

9:12:21 that topic. Dr. Thede, would you agree?

9:12:23 » I would concur with that.

9:12:27 » So is that something – can you give me a timeline that that

9:12:29 normally would be occurred

9:12:31 into? That way we can –

9:12:32 » We’ll have to get together with financial services and do

9:12:35 some forecasting because right

9:12:37 now we don’t have that information. It’s basically looking at –

9:12:42 I won’t say guessing who that

9:12:43 might affect, but the scenario that you’re talking about, I’d

9:12:46 have to work with the Department

9:12:47 of Health to figure out how many people potentially that could

9:12:51 affect. If you’re just talking

9:12:53 about the additional days for somebody to be isolated, that’s a

9:12:56 different scenario.

9:12:58 The other piece of it is what Mrs. Moore talked about, which was

9:13:02 you could have somebody who

9:13:03 is a contact to a case that’s a close familial relationship, and

9:13:08 that person is asymptomatic,

9:13:10 but that person is home for 14 days and on the 14th day becomes

9:13:14 symptomatic, and then

9:13:15 they could be out another 14 days. So those are all forecasting

9:13:18 pieces that we would have

9:13:19 to do, and that will take some time to make those projections.

9:13:23 » I just think that because they are part of a risk class, it

9:13:27 makes them think that

9:13:28 we are dealing with right now retention and recruitment. And if

9:13:32 we’re creating a system

9:13:33 where people aren’t going to feel confident about being paid

9:13:40 back for a situation that

9:13:42 they’re walking into that they normally don’t walk into, it’s a

9:13:44 conditioned environment

9:13:45 that we have, I don’t know. I think that that becomes part of

9:13:49 the conversation that individuals

9:13:52 are going to have prior to coming back. That’s all. So however,

9:13:55 and I’m only one board member

9:13:57 and I don’t mean to speak for my board in any way, but I’d love

9:13:59 that thing to be as

9:14:00 fast as possible because I see that as a huge issue at the

9:14:03 teacher’s union and the teachers

9:14:05 that we represent and staff. » I would propose I at least need

9:14:10 Monday

9:14:10 to meet with staff to develop a plan and a proposal, and I could

9:14:13 bring an update to the

9:14:14 board on Tuesday at the 14th day. » Beautiful. Okay. Page 39.

9:14:23 Who is on BPS’s

9:14:24 response team? » Right now that team is being formed, so

9:14:28 I have a primary and a backup that represents HR, that’s Beth Ettie

9:14:31 and the backup is Mike

9:14:32 Alba. I have Stephanie Sullivan and Jane Klein representing

9:14:36 Leading and Learning and they’re

9:14:37 going to provide me both backups. I have I think it’s Jim Powers

9:14:43 as my primary and Pete

9:14:44 Trnica is my backup. I have Robin Novelli who is my primary and

9:14:50 Kevin Thornton who is

9:14:51 the backup. And Patty. And me and Jana Jenkins is my backup. I

9:14:59 may have missed somebody,

9:15:01 but that’s basically the makeup of the team. » Is there a way

9:15:08 to put the chair for the

9:15:10 school district in that conversation at all or is that not

9:15:13 appropriate? I’m just trying

9:15:14 to » I would suggest it’s a day-to-day operation of the

9:15:22 district and the board would certainly

9:15:24 remain informed of the direction or the discussion of the

9:15:29 recovery response team. I don’t know

9:15:33 that it would be appropriate to have a board member on that team.

9:15:36 » Makes sense. I can understand that. » In the governor’s plan

9:15:39 that team is called

9:15:40 the crisis team because we already have that. We chose to call

9:15:44 it a response team. But just

9:15:46 if you’re cross walking in the governor’s plan it’s called the

9:15:49 crisis team.

9:15:50 » Okay. And then we have our custodial strike team and they’re

9:15:55 going to respond in the event

9:15:57 that we have an issue at one of the schools. And in the event

9:16:01 that we create multiple schools

9:16:04 and we start getting to a point where the critical response team

9:16:08 can’t, do we have as

9:16:09 part of our plan that this has gotten to the point where we need

9:16:13 to go virtual because

9:16:14 of the amount – I think Ms. Belford had mentioned earlier that

9:16:18 there’s like a critical point

9:16:20 where we just say we’re shutting down this area, this district

9:16:24 and everything else. Can

9:16:26 we make sure that a part of the district, that’s part of the

9:16:30 plan or no?

9:16:31 » We’re looking at on Monday when we start talking about

9:16:33 thresholds that’s part of the

9:16:34 conversation. And I don’t know how far we’re going to get in

9:16:37 that discussion. But it is

9:16:39 part of the – part of what the response team is going to be

9:16:42 working through is those thresholds.

9:16:44 Now keep in mind I think we have to get direction Dr. Mullins

9:16:48 and permission from the DOE to

9:16:50 shut down the district if I’m correct. » Yeah. Mr. Susan, did I

9:16:54 hear you correctly

9:16:55 to say if we get to a place that we need to close the district?

9:16:58 All schools?

9:17:00 » If we close the district down, I apologize. That comes from

9:17:04 the DOE. That comes from the

9:17:05 top. I’m sorry. I apologize for that. It just seems like there’s

9:17:09

9:17:10 » So to clarify, are you speaking of actually closing a school?

9:17:13 Like no one reports for

9:17:15 a period of time? » Yeah.

9:17:16 » So apologize. What was the question? » The thresholds that

9:17:21 you’re going to adopt

9:17:22 on Monday, can you bring those to the board on Tuesday so that

9:17:24 we can see them?

9:17:25 » Oh, I don’t know that we’re going to adopt those thresholds

9:17:28 on Monday. That’s the beginning

9:17:29 of our conversation. I can’t say that we’re going to walk out

9:17:33 with a defined plan on that.

9:17:35 The response team isn’t meeting for the first time until

9:17:38 Thursday morning, I believe. So

9:17:41 I don’t know that I’m going to be ready to present that to the

9:17:44 board on Tuesday now.

9:17:45 » So the thresholds of when we shut down a school, when we –

9:17:49 where we – if we shut

9:17:50 down a classroom, if we shut down – all of those thresholds are

9:17:53 going to be developed

9:17:54 by a team that starts on Monday or Thursday of next week. And

9:17:58 when would those thresholds

9:18:00 be available to us for approval, stuff like that?

9:18:04 » Well, I hesitate to use the word threshold. Threshold is when

9:18:07 the response team meets

9:18:09 to review the data. Because if we say the threshold is 15%, let’s

9:18:14 say it’s 15% of your

9:18:15 faculty is out, the response team is going to need to look at

9:18:18 that individual school

9:18:20 circumstances and say, well, they’ve met 15%, but tomorrow, even

9:18:25 though they’re at 15% today,

9:18:27 they’re going to be at 10% and they can operate. So it’s not

9:18:30 going to be something where we

9:18:32 say, boom, this is it. It’s going to be what is the – what is

9:18:35 going to be the threshold

9:18:36 by which we need to meet and review that school circumstances

9:18:40 and make a rapid response recommendation

9:18:43 to the superintendent.

9:18:44 » Okay.

9:18:45 » I think the other piece of it is availability of substitutes

9:18:48 and length of time. I mean,

9:18:49 we may end up with enough substitutes. We’ve sent out our

9:18:53 response letters to our substitutes.

9:18:55 And of the ones with active records that have responded, we’ve

9:18:59 had 541 responses. And of

9:19:02 those, 526, as of today, have indicated they’re returning. What

9:19:07 does that mean when school

9:19:08 starts? I don’t know. But that will all play into that rapid

9:19:11 response team and how we can

9:19:13 function within a school.

9:19:15 » Thank you. Why – three days to shut a school down. What is

9:19:18 the number behind that,

9:19:19 the three days? What is that?

9:19:20 » Sure. The recommendation is that an area needs to be empty

9:19:24 for 24 to 48 hours. And

9:19:26 then we need to – we need a day to clean. You know, if we get

9:19:31 notified on a Friday,

9:19:33 Saturday and Sunday would be two days. And Monday would be the

9:19:36 day to clean. So again,

9:19:39 we’re not putting out hard, fast numbers. You know, my original

9:19:44 – my original words

9:19:46 were like three days and we’re out until we really started

9:19:50 having those discussions about

9:19:52 all of the possibilities and what ifs. So that’s why we backed

9:19:56 off giving you a definite

9:19:57 number of days and a definite threshold because there’s just too

9:20:01 many what ifs and different

9:20:02 circumstances that may arise.

9:20:06 » Mr. Susan and for the board, we can certainly provide the

9:20:10 board an update as the response

9:20:12 team is developed and they’re working through the process. But

9:20:19 also the board will be part

9:20:21 of the informed piece of when the response team is met and any

9:20:25 decision is made that

9:20:27 a school has to be closed for any period of time. So we’ll make

9:20:30 sure that we include in

9:20:31 our process when the response team has made a recommendation to

9:20:34 me and the decision is

9:20:36 made to close a school that the board will receive prompt

9:20:38 notification that that’s coming.

9:20:41 » That’s part of what it is, just somewhere looped inside there

9:20:43 that we get it.

9:20:44 » Absolutely.

9:20:45 » I did miss two members of the response team and they’re

9:20:46 critical members. It’s Nikki

9:20:47 Hensley and her backup. So that we do have a coordinated

9:20:53 response and communication plan.

9:20:55 » Okay.

9:20:56 » Just a quick comment. When we spoke about a response team, I’m

9:21:04 not sure we’re all envisioning

9:21:07 the same thing. So I think it’s really important. These are the

9:21:12 key players when we have to

9:21:13 make a decision about school. These aren’t people who are

9:21:16 replacing Department of Health

9:21:18 guidelines or anything like that. The players you represent is I

9:21:22 got to call the principal,

9:21:23 we’ve got to deal with bussing. If we’re closing the school, we

9:21:25 don’t have to deal with, you

9:21:27 know. So we’re not anticipating this team gaining expertise on

9:21:35 these things. We’re anticipating

9:21:37 this team coming around some quick decisions on student cases

9:21:43 that reach a critical mass

9:21:46 when the principal is like, okay, I’ve got this, this, this,

9:21:49 this. And then we need to

9:21:51 all be in the same story so we can rapidly deploy once Dr. Mullins

9:21:56 with knowing Dr. Mullins

9:21:59 is going to be making five phone calls and then we make a quick

9:22:02 decision. And so that

9:22:05 was our vision. I just want to make sure it didn’t get warped in

9:22:08 how we presented it.

9:22:10 Very similar to the team and the actions that we deploy on other

9:22:14 critical incidents. Those

9:22:16 other critical incidents start with Brian at the top of the

9:22:20 pyramid and then we begin

9:22:22 communicating. These would really start with Chris at the top of

9:22:26 the pyramid and beginning

9:22:27 to deploy that communication and those conversations and those

9:22:33 teams. I just thought it was important.

9:22:35 » No, I understand what you’re saying. It’s just, it’s a gray

9:22:38 area that I’m just trying

9:22:39 to poke at to try to figure out all the answers. Okay, so I’m

9:22:43 moving on to slide number 41.

9:22:45 I’ve got, so there’s some talking, there was some talking and I

9:22:50 may have just written a

9:22:52 note down there. We have a time period because we’re waiting on

9:22:57 tests, right? So we send

9:22:59 people out for a test. We do these things to test. I know right

9:23:04 now that we have our,

9:23:06 there’s certain classes inside our county that are able to move

9:23:10 to the front of the

9:23:11 line on the testing procedures. Is there an opportunity for us

9:23:15 to do the same as teachers

9:23:17 so that if a teacher tests positive or a student that we’re

9:23:21 concerned about testing because

9:23:23 part of our, and let me explain so that if I’m sending a student

9:23:27 to go get a test or

9:23:28 I’m asking a teacher to go get a test or whatever and they go to

9:23:32 test, we’re waiting six days

9:23:33 to find out the result of that test which may push back the time

9:23:36 period. Is there a

9:23:37 way to shorten that time period is what I’m asking? The state

9:23:42 and the labs have priorities.

9:23:43 Priority one testing are first responders that are symptomatic

9:23:47 and hospitalized patients.

9:23:49 Priority two are, and then, I’m sorry, priority one is also long-term

9:23:53 care facility workers

9:23:54 because they’re concerned about the long-term care facilities.

9:23:58 Priority two are symptomatic

9:23:59 people, healthcare workers. Then the last priority are the asymptomatic.

9:24:05 So we have

9:24:06 very strict guidelines as to who is what priority. If someone is

9:24:10 symptomatic, they take a higher

9:24:12 priority than someone who is just going to be tested because

9:24:15 they just want to know they’re

9:24:16 asymptomatic. Teachers, I would consider a first responder. Is

9:24:25 that up to your determination?

9:24:26 I would love it if it is. What they have is they have first

9:24:33 responders as a whole category.

9:24:36 When someone comes to us, my assistant nursing director and I

9:24:39 discuss who’s a first responder,

9:24:42 and it’s anyone whose critical infrastructure is considered a

9:24:45 first responder of which teachers

9:24:48 are considered critical infrastructure. Law enforcement, EMS,

9:24:52 healthcare workers. That’s

9:24:53 what I was wondering because if we have to shut down, like you

9:24:56 said, a popcorn situation

9:24:57 with seven different classes and all the teachers, I would

9:25:00 consider that. Absolutely. That would

9:25:02 work to where a teacher would go to this testing location and be

9:25:06 able to move up in the line

9:25:08 to be tested and do the results on the back end the same amount

9:25:12 of time? It depends on

9:25:13 the lab. I know Quest and the state lab have the priorities, and

9:25:18 we have to identify who

9:25:20 we’re testing, and we identify who’s a priority one, two, three,

9:25:24 or four, or asymptomatic.

9:25:26 The state lab, we only send priority ones to because they’re

9:25:30 getting inundated. There

9:25:32 are so many other private labs out there that I can’t answer for

9:25:37 them. I don’t know how

9:25:38 they do it. No, I understand. If I come in on priority one and I

9:25:41 test on Wednesday morning,

9:25:43 how long until that test comes back to the school district to

9:25:48 tell me or me? I can tell

9:25:50 you priority ones come back within 24 to 48 hours. Got it. But

9:25:56 we as a school district,

9:25:58 if I understood you guys today, can’t say to a teacher or

9:26:01 student, go get tested. Correct.

9:26:03 And those results would come back? That’s not what this is about.

9:26:06 This is about me figuring

9:26:07 out this testing piece. That’s all. Thank you. Okay, I

9:26:09 understand, but you’re starting

9:26:10 with the premise that if we tell a teacher to go get tested or

9:26:13 we’re waiting for them,

9:26:15 that’s not part of this conversation because we can’t do that as

9:26:18 much as we might like

9:26:19 to. So a teacher goes to take a test. This is where we’re at.

9:26:22 They have to report to

9:26:23 us that they’re positive, otherwise we wouldn’t even know. So

9:26:27 the teacher goes to take the

9:26:29 test, we can get them to be in the first class, priority class,

9:26:32 right? They can get that 24

9:26:34 hour test and be available if they needed it. That’s what I’m

9:26:38 hearing you say. Okay.

9:26:40 And that is at your locations. And do you know of, what is the

9:26:44 cost, I’m sorry, to the

9:26:46 district for us to have an employee go take that test? I believe

9:26:51 it varies depending on

9:26:52 the lab and depending on where you go. But I believe the last

9:26:55 estimate I had was between

9:26:57 $80 and $100. Does that sound correct, Patty? I don’t know what

9:27:00 the private labs, I can

9:27:01 tell you if they come to us. Yes, ma’am. It’s free for anybody.

9:27:05 Yeah, I think I should share

9:27:07 my experience because I think that would help. Please. I was a

9:27:12 contact to a case. I was a

9:27:14 contact to a contact to a case. I was a contact to a contact.

9:27:17 But it was driving my family

9:27:18 crazy. And they were on me every day. You need to go get tested.

9:27:21 Sure. I called Patty.

9:27:23 I said, Patty, where do I go get tested? And she said, if you

9:27:25 want to wait a day, you can

9:27:26 come to the Department of Health. If you don’t want to wait a

9:27:29 day, you can, without a prescription

9:27:31 and without an appointment, go down to Eastern Florida State and

9:27:36 be tested there. I drove

9:27:38 down there midday. I waited in my car for about an hour and a

9:27:42 half, which was fine.

9:27:44 I had a book. It didn’t matter. It was handled very privately.

9:27:48 It was handled very safely.

9:27:52 The test was not at all as I had been led to believe in terms of

9:27:56 what it was. It was

9:27:58 like a tickle in my sinus, to be honest. I hate this. I hate

9:28:03 them. And I left. And they

9:28:04 gave me a little code in which to download an app. Thirty hours

9:28:09 later, I had my results,

9:28:10 which I was happy to report to my mother so she could get off my

9:28:14 back were negative. But

9:28:16 I will tell you, the whole process from start to finish was

9:28:22 pretty painless. And it took

9:28:24 me 30 hours to get my results and cost me absolutely no money,

9:28:27 no prescription, in order

9:28:29 to get the test and no appointment needed. Is that consistent

9:28:32 with Eastern Florida State

9:28:34 right now, 30-hour turnaround? Is there a list out there that –

9:28:37 is there somewhere

9:28:38 that the teachers can – they know? Well, let me back up a

9:28:44 little bit. Eastern

9:28:45 Florida State, in addition to all other labs, are now anywhere

9:28:49 from five to ten days out

9:28:51 for results. The labs are extremely backed up. If somebody is a

9:28:58 first responder and they’re

9:28:59 symptomatic – and I know the sheriff’s office, we’ve done a lot

9:29:04 of EMS – we will send them

9:29:05 up to the state, and they’re coming back quicker. I won’t

9:29:09 promise it’s 24 to 48 hours any longer,

9:29:13 but first responders and priority ones and twos, we get back

9:29:16 fairly quick.

9:29:17 And that’s free to our health care? Anybody comes to us, it’s

9:29:21 free. We don’t

9:29:23 check insurance, we don’t do anything. Eastern Florida State is

9:29:26 free. If they go to –

9:29:30 Right, I don’t want to name any particular – Any place that’s

9:29:34 not what she just mentioned,

9:29:36 any place that’s not in Eastern Florida, there is a charge to

9:29:38 our insurance company, and

9:29:40 that’s the number I was giving you. Do we have a way of telling

9:29:43 all of our people

9:29:45 what these charges are? Or do they – do you see what I mean?

9:29:48 Like, if I’m a teacher, one

9:29:49 of the issues that we’re dealing with right now in the insurance

9:29:52 is to try to steer them

9:29:53 towards lower-cost options. You know, is there a way to identify

9:29:58 where the lower-cost options

9:30:00 are for our teachers to go get tested, or do we just want to

9:30:02 start steering them towards

9:30:03 the DOH? We have typically not steered them in one

9:30:09 direction or another when they’ve asked. They know where the

9:30:12 free tests are, and, you know,

9:30:13 we’ve given them that information, but some want a different

9:30:16 kind of result and a different

9:30:17 quicker result, and they’ll go to a local place that does that

9:30:22 and charges the insurance.

9:30:24 Are we – Go ahead. What is our stance on this test as far as

9:30:27 insurance goes? Are we co-paying, deductible? What is it – If

9:30:32 they don’t go to the Department

9:30:33 of Health and they show up at MedFest and they take the test,

9:30:35 what is the breakdown

9:30:36 for our employees? Do you know? They’re paying the MedFest co-pay

9:30:39 at that

9:30:40 point. Okay.

9:30:41 And then we are charged, I believe, $120 for that MedFest visit.

9:30:45 I got you. Okay. So that’s how it’s breaking down.

9:30:58 Okay. On page 43, what is the idea that we could

9:31:03 make a recommendation to not do these drills, or as many of them?

9:31:10 Is there a conversation

9:31:11 that we would? Would you recommend against that? I mean, I

9:31:14 understand that we want to

9:31:15 do them, but I have a serious – I know how this is going to go

9:31:19 when we go to do the drill.

9:31:20 Everybody has to get outside. There’s only a limited amount of

9:31:23 time to do it. You know

9:31:24 what I mean? And I would try to avoid it as much as possible.

9:31:27 Where are we at with that,

9:31:28 Brian? You’re talking about a national argument –

9:31:30 Okay. – discussion, of course, here in Florida

9:31:33 as well, okay? When legislation was in session, there was a bill

9:31:37 before them to reduce the

9:31:39 drills. They ran out of time. The pandemic hit, the building

9:31:44 gets signed, and they were

9:31:45 extremely close. So here we are. We’re going to start the school

9:31:49 year, and the statute

9:31:50 is very clear that we will do these drills. The only folks that

9:31:54 can advise otherwise will

9:31:55 be out of the Office of Safe Schools if that direction comes.

9:31:59 Like I said, I know Mr. Novelli

9:32:00 is going to training at the end of July. Office of Safe Schools

9:32:03 will be there at that time.

9:32:05 There’s a lot of districts waiting for any type of other

9:32:08 guidance. So is there a possibility?

9:32:10 There is, but right now we’ve got a plan otherwise. No, I

9:32:13 understand 100 percent. Thank you for

9:32:15 bringing that forward. It’s something that we have to do, but

9:32:17 maybe that’s part of the

9:32:18 conversation, is that, you know, we as a school district make a

9:32:22 serious request into the fact

9:32:24 of reducing the amount of those, because I think that that’s a

9:32:26 point where we have to

9:32:27 be of concern for safety. Mr. Susan, I have a call in to Joy

9:32:31 Frank

9:32:31 with FADS, the FADS attorney, to bring this to their attention

9:32:35 as well, and ask that FADS

9:32:37 appeal on our, on Superintendent’s behalf, because that’s a

9:32:40 concern for all of us, to

9:32:41 the state, to get a waiver or something like that.

9:32:44 And if FADS does it, then our school board association will do

9:32:46 it, and that would be

9:32:47 something that’s there. All right. That can be later on. Oh,

9:32:54 last thing. Principal’s checklist

9:32:56 plan for the replenishment of initial supplies and PPE on page

9:32:59 45. We’re going to use CARES

9:33:01 Act to replenish all the supplies for the CARES Act stuff. That

9:33:03 was all. It didn’t have

9:33:04 an asterisk on it. I just wanted to make sure. Okay. All right.

9:33:09 I am done with the minor

9:33:10 questions. So, we’re good. The minor questions? Yeah, because we’re

9:33:14 going back to the other

9:33:15 major ones. Right? Okay. Okay. I believe we are going to take a

9:33:24 very brief break, like

9:33:26 five minutes, run to the restroom, grab some pizza. We’re eating

9:33:31 on camera, so. Ms. Belford?

9:33:33 Yes. Is the board going to want Ms. Seibert to stay? I think I’m

9:33:39 good. Yeah, I don’t,

9:33:42 I’m, Patty, thank you. Amazing that you have, I mean, this, we

9:33:46 are accustomed to, like,

9:33:48 this occasionally, but for you to have committed to be here with

9:33:51 us all day, really, thank

9:33:53 you so, so very much. I’m willing to stay if you need me to stay,

9:33:57 but I’ve got issues

9:33:58 at work that I have to deal with. I think if you notice, I’ve

9:34:01 been texting and getting

9:34:02 all these, these things. Yeah. Are you sure? Yes. Go right ahead

9:34:06 and take care of your

9:34:07 stuff. Thank you. Thank you. You’re welcome. Anyone have

9:34:12 anything for Lieutenant Neal?

9:34:14 Oh, he’s got to stay with us, doesn’t he? Are you our security?

9:34:21 I’m here. Okay. You’re

9:34:23 out of luck then. I tried. And I’m guessing everybody else is

9:34:26 probably going to be on

9:34:27 the hook for some part of that discussion. So we will take five.

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9:44:37 And we are back from our recess. Before we get too far into our

9:44:53 questions, I did want

9:44:54 to send out a huge thank you to Kyle Savage, who on his own sent

9:44:59 us pizza to feed the entire

9:45:02 crew who is here this evening. Yes, so the pizza was courtesy of

9:45:07 Kyle. And for those

9:45:08 who have not been watching us all day, these folks have been in

9:45:12 this room since nine o’clock

9:45:13 this morning, with the exception of a 30 minute lunch break and

9:45:17 a couple of really quick bathroom

9:45:19 breaks. So the dinner was much appreciated, Kyle, beyond beyond

9:45:23 measure, you just don’t

9:45:24 even know. So yeah, thank you. Okay, we can we can we say where

9:45:29 that was from, since it’s

9:45:31 right locally here, Viera Pizza. Can we say that? You never miss

9:45:35 an opportunity, do you?

9:45:36 Can we say I mean, he’s a huge supporter of Viera High School.

9:45:39 And I just want to give

9:45:40 Savage a shout out because he doesn’t even live in the area, but

9:45:42 he figured out that

9:45:43 the best place to get it is here. So just wanted to give him a

9:45:46 shout out. Okay, so we

9:45:49 finished working through our slides, there was an indication

9:45:52 that there were potentially

9:45:53 some general questions that were not slide specific before we

9:45:57 circle back to our more

9:45:59 complicated discussion items. So Ms. McDougall, are you still

9:46:03 with us? Did you have any general

9:46:07 questions that you wanted to ask?

9:46:08 Well, I guess I want to know the ramifications. So this plan is

9:46:20 very robust and very aggressive.

9:46:24 And our staff has been working tirelessly and probably around

9:46:28 the clock on this, especially

9:46:29 if you’re dreaming about this. What would happen if we push back

9:46:36 opening our schools?

9:46:38 Or are even are we even allowed to legally do that in the state

9:46:42 of Florida? I’m just

9:46:44 asking the question, what would happen?

9:46:49 Ms. McDougall, I’m going to ask Dr. Thede to talk about the

9:46:53 school calendar. I will

9:46:55 say that the state has, you know, has always given school

9:46:59 calendar jurisdiction, if you

9:47:01 will, to the local school district. But there are implications

9:47:05 of changing the school calendar

9:47:08 at this time. Dr. Thede.

9:47:10 Thank you. So currently we’re students are scheduled to start on

9:47:13 Tuesday, August 11th.

9:47:15 And the emergency order from the commissioner does say starting

9:47:18 school in August. Making

9:47:20 an assumption that we would still start school at some point in

9:47:23 August, you would change

9:47:25 the rest of the calendar by the number of days that would be

9:47:29 potentially starting later.

9:47:31 So if we start 10 days later or some other model, we would end

9:47:36 up moving the calendar

9:47:38 along 10 days, which would push – there are a couple of

9:47:41 implications. One is salary. So

9:47:43 I’ll get to that in a minute. But what it will do to the student

9:47:46 calendar is it will

9:47:47 push the end of first semester into January, which has

9:47:50 implications for our dual enrollment

9:47:51 students who attend Eastern Florida and the few that attend

9:47:57 Florida Tech with our program

9:47:59 with Palm Bay High. It makes a difference for those students.

9:48:03 And then it pushes us

9:48:04 at the end of the year into June. Right now I think we’re

9:48:07 scheduled to end the school

9:48:08 year May – I want to say 28th as the last student day,

9:48:11 depending on the number of days

9:48:13 that we would adjust the calendar potentially, that would change

9:48:16 the ending of school. There

9:48:18 are also implications to pay. Right now our teachers are paid on

9:48:24 August 15th to July 30th

9:48:27 schedule. If we delayed starting school and they weren’t working

9:48:32 on a delay, there would

9:48:34 be a pay implication to that. There would also be a pay

9:48:37 implication to our other employees

9:48:39 in our 1010 unions, our 10-month employees, our 9-month

9:48:43 employees, and some of our 11-month

9:48:44 employees that would have start dates changed. And that would

9:48:48 affect pay – not affect their

9:48:50 overall pay, but affect paychecks. Because they are the – for

9:48:54 example, our teachers

9:48:56 are under a contract for 196 days. The amount would not differ.

9:49:01 It’s when it gets paid that

9:49:02 would be potentially a problem. » Ms. McDougall, I appreciate

9:49:08 the acknowledgement

9:49:10 of the tight timeline. I will potentially speak for the task

9:49:15 force. I believe that they

9:49:17 have been operating consistently under the expectation and

9:49:20 anticipation of a regular

9:49:21 school start date. We have not had any discussion about any

9:49:26 alternate start date.

9:49:28 » I see there’s a lot involved if we should push this back. But

9:49:34 I needed to know that

9:49:36 and I needed our community to hear that also. » Thank you, Dr.

9:49:43 Fetti and Dr. Mullins. Any

9:49:45 other general questions, Ms. McDougall? » Just some of the old

9:49:49 questions that we’re

9:49:50 going to go over again. No. » Okay. Ms. Campbell, any general

9:49:56 questions

9:49:56 before we get into issue specifics? » Yes. And I – these are

9:50:03 – I just have

9:50:04 some financial questions. Ms. Lisinski, you haven’t had to say

9:50:11 anything all day. And this

9:50:14 may be Dr. Mullins’ question as well. So if I read our emergency

9:50:19 order correctly, you

9:50:22 know, when it first came out and Ms. Belford, you mentioned this

9:50:24 this morning, there was

9:50:25 a lot of, oh, my gosh, this is horrible. But as part of it, if I’m

9:50:29 reading it correctly,

9:50:30 there’s some good news in here in that our funding will be much

9:50:35 more stable than we anticipated

9:50:37 or worried, at least for the fall semester. So it looks like to

9:50:40 me in the governor’s orders,

9:50:42 it says that at least for the fall, that they’re planning on

9:50:47 giving us, no matter what our,

9:50:49 you know, October numbers are, giving us the funding that was

9:50:55 projected in our conference

9:50:57 reports that were given back in the spring, which would be our

9:51:02 normal pre-COVID numbers.

9:51:04 Am I reading that correctly? » Yes, you are. So – and I’m

9:51:10 trying to get

9:51:11 clarification if that would go all the way through the third

9:51:15 calc. But then – so that

9:51:16 will give us an opportunity to get an idea of student enrollment

9:51:21 and where we will be.

9:51:22 I don’t want to give us any false thoughts that after the

9:51:27 election in November that we

9:51:30 would not have a reduction as we had talked about before. But

9:51:35 this allows us to start

9:51:36 the year and be able to take a look to see what kind of

9:51:40 enrollment that we have and then

9:51:43 try to adjust down and prepare for what we think that that cut

9:51:48 will be if we are cut

9:51:49 after the election in November. » Okay. And the reason why I

9:51:52 ask that is

9:51:53 because – I know you guys can’t give me the answer to this

9:51:57 right now. And I’m not going

9:51:59 to ask it to give me the answer. But when I first read that, I

9:52:02 thought, okay, this is

9:52:03 great because then we can fund our schools with the allotment of

9:52:06 teachers that we would

9:52:07 have expected, but we’re probably going to have fewer in our

9:52:10 buildings and, you know,

9:52:11 we’re going to have some parents do different things, virtual

9:52:14 school, whatever. But we can

9:52:15 – that will give us smaller class sizes to start out with and

9:52:18 as people become more comfortable

9:52:19 and the students trickle in, then we can, you know, fill up. But

9:52:23 I realize that there’s

9:52:27 a risk involved in that and that if we go ahead and do that and

9:52:30 we have those smaller

9:52:31 class sizes and the legislature comes back and says, okay, for

9:52:35 the spring semester now

9:52:36 we’re adjusting your funding to how many students you actually

9:52:39 have, that would be really dangerous

9:52:41 because at that point we can’t let go of staff or it would be

9:52:44 very difficult to do that mid-year.

9:52:47 Am I also thinking correctly along those lines?

9:52:50 » You’re absolutely right. That’s what I tried to say that I

9:52:53 still think we need to

9:52:55 be concerned about a reduction in funding in November or

9:53:00 December with a special session.

9:53:03 So the funding now holding harmless allows us to go into the

9:53:08 year and then we’ll be able

9:53:10 to understand better of, you know, what kind of enrollment we

9:53:15 have and then start planning

9:53:17 for what we think that will be. But I don’t think we should go

9:53:20 all out and spend everything

9:53:21 because we know that that money is going to –

9:53:25 » So we may have a little bit of flexibility but not as much as

9:53:28

9:53:28 » We have more time to – this gives us time to plan might be a

9:53:31 better way of saying it.

9:53:33 » Okay. So it gave us time.

9:53:34 » Yes.

9:53:35 » All right.

9:53:36 » So if I can add to it, just to put it in perspective, the

9:53:39 timeline and how tenuous

9:53:40 it could become because we don’t have clarification from second

9:53:45 calc to third calc. So the order

9:53:47 – did I get that right? Second calc is in October, correct?

9:53:51 » Yeah.

9:53:52 » No, second calc will be the 19th of July.

9:53:55 » Okay. So we’re third to fourth calc. Third is October and

9:54:00 fourth is February. Is that

9:54:03 right?

9:54:04 » January.

9:54:05 » Yeah. I might –

9:54:06 » The FTE period is October and February. Third calc comes in,

9:54:09 I believe, in January

9:54:11 is when we got it this year and we got fourth calc, Ms. Lisinski,

9:54:14 I believe, in May.

9:54:15 » We just received the fourth calc in May.

9:54:18 » Right. So the fourth calc comes based on second semester

9:54:22 enrollment and – pardon?

9:54:24 » February.

9:54:25 » Yeah. February FTE. So the order does not address the fourth

9:54:33 calc. It only addresses

9:54:35 the start of school. So to your point, we could potentially find

9:54:40 out there is a reduction

9:54:42 in funding based on enrollment for second semester, but not

9:54:47 until April.

9:54:48 » So –

9:54:49 » In which that money would have to be returned to the state –

9:54:50 » Correct.

9:54:51 » – if that’s what they chose.

9:54:52 » It’s – so it would be very dangerous to go into second

9:55:00 semester with fully – with

9:55:04 enrollment – or with staffing based on enrollment projections

9:55:09 from last year when we may be

9:55:11 held accountable to true enrollment at the – on the – on the

9:55:15 February FTE. Does that

9:55:17 make sense?

9:55:18 » Yes.

9:55:19 » And that is what occurred this year, correct? We took a $1.3

9:55:26 million hit on fourth calc?

9:55:29 » It was right around –

9:55:30 » Or it was at 800 –

9:55:31 » It was right around a million dollars. I don’t remember

9:55:32 exactly.

9:55:32 » I think it was 999,000.

9:55:34 » Okay.

9:55:35 » Very close to one. Thank you. Ms. Campbell, any additional

9:55:41 general questions?

9:55:42 » No, that’s it.

9:55:43 » Ms. Deskevich?

9:55:44 » I’m good.

9:55:45 » Mr. Susan.

9:55:46 » All right. So we’re going to do – get a percentage of

9:55:51 students that signed on that

9:55:54 were in free and reduced. Is this the longest meeting in BPS

9:55:59 history for a workshop?

9:56:01 » I think it is.

9:56:04 » It might be at least since the recession.

9:56:07 » Is that how long you’ve – all right. And then we’re going to

9:56:11 do a practice day video.

9:56:12 I love that from communication. Okay. And for teacher COVID

9:56:17 leave, single point of communication.

9:56:20 We’re going to work towards a single point of communication,

9:56:24 follow up with issues. Okay.

9:56:26 What is the idea for Tuesday’s plan for the board meeting? Are

9:56:31 we allowing public input

9:56:34 as we normally do? Is there a time period that – since

9:56:36 everybody’s watching here, if

9:56:38 there’s any family members that want to? Ms. Han, can you

9:56:40 explain that process with the

9:56:42 day that they’re supposed to, when they’re supposed to put in?

9:56:45 Are we having it here

9:56:46 in person with people coming in? What’s the plan for it?

9:56:49 » So the plan is similar to how we’ve been running our previous

9:56:52 board meetings during

9:56:53 the pandemic. The link will be live tomorrow morning at 8 a.m.

9:56:57 So you can go on our website

9:56:59 and they’ll be right on our front page will be a note that says

9:57:02 register here, click this

9:57:03 link to register. You just fill out the form. And that includes

9:57:07 a phone number when you

9:57:08 put your phone number in. Compile those. We close the link on

9:57:12 Monday morning at 8 a.m.,

9:57:14 after which I send the roster of folks who would like to speak

9:57:18 at the board meeting to

9:57:20 our vendor. And then they do a call at 530 p.m. on Monday. And

9:57:26 we generally just call

9:57:27 people in the order in which they signed up. And record everyone’s

9:57:31 three minutes and then

9:57:32 we play that live at the board meeting on Tuesday morning.

9:57:35 » And then is there any idea of when we may be going back to

9:57:39 being in person with people

9:57:41 and everything else? Is there a plan for that? I think we said

9:57:44 something about July, but

9:57:45 » So Mr. Gibbs and I have been discussing that. And I think the

9:57:51 plan at this point,

9:57:52 keeping in mind that every plan is fluid right now depending on

9:57:56 how things look numbers wise,

9:57:58 I think. But the current executive order for – excuse me – for

9:58:05 restrictions for our meetings

9:58:07 I think ends on July 30th. And so there’s strong possibility

9:58:11 given the numbers continuing

9:58:13 to rise that that will be extended. But what Mr. Gibbs and I had

9:58:17 talked about was potentially

9:58:20 beginning with workshops in August, have those open to the

9:58:23 public because we won’t have so

9:58:25 many people that likely attend the workshops on a regular basis

9:58:30 to give us an opportunity

9:58:32 to kind of ease back into it and make sure that we can handle

9:58:35 people appropriately. One

9:58:36 of the things that I was explaining to Ms. Campbell earlier

9:58:39 today is, you know, even

9:58:41 though we have the board room space, we, the board and the

9:58:45 superintendent and we can’t

9:58:47 socially distance up there. So us being up there is not doable,

9:58:54 which means we would

9:58:56 have to be down here and then we would have to figure out a way

9:58:59 to make space for an audience

9:59:00 as well. So the plan is to work toward that starting in August,

9:59:05 though.

9:59:05 » Can I ask the question, there are other municipalities that

9:59:08 are inside of our county

9:59:10 that are meeting with different guidelines. Is there a guideline

9:59:12 that was set by the governor

9:59:14 saying you have to follow these? Or are we following a list?

9:59:18 Where is our overarching,

9:59:19 these guidelines that we’re following currently, where are they?

9:59:22 Like where are they coming

9:59:23 from?

9:59:24 » It’s basically come from direction from Mr. Gibbs and

9:59:29 discussion between Dr. Mullins,

9:59:31 Mr. Gibbs, Ms. Han, and myself as to how to best ensure the

9:59:36 safety of all involved moving

9:59:39 forward.

9:59:40 » Any –

9:59:41 » The guidelines right now are just sunshine law. The only

9:59:44 thing that’s suspended is the

9:59:45 in-person quorum. So we don’t have to – we have to account –

9:59:49 we have to allot for everything

9:59:50 else, the public participation piece and every other element has

9:59:54 to be allotted for.

9:59:55 » So not having people come in and sit in here or us standing

9:59:58 on the dais or any of

9:59:59 those decisions are our decision as a board not being guided by

10:00:04

10:00:04 » Right, those are –

10:00:05 » Federal government, that’s us.

10:00:06 » Those are operational decisions.

10:00:08 » So I would like to move towards a different format if anybody

10:00:10 else wants to have that

10:00:12 discussion.

10:00:14 » I support that. I’m wondering, I was just listening to Ms.

10:00:17 Belford’s concerns, though,

10:00:18 could we sit like this? And I’m not exactly sure how the county

10:00:22 commission did it because

10:00:24 I was only watching it online, but it seemed like people waited

10:00:27 outside and came in one

10:00:28 at a time. So if the podium was like over there by the door,

10:00:31 came in once, spoke, left

10:00:33 as public comments. There’s just something about the public

10:00:36 feeling heard when they can

10:00:38 look at their representatives in the face. I don’t know if that’s

10:00:41 an option, but I’ll

10:00:42 just throw it out there because she’s right, we can’t sit up

10:00:44 there, but we could sit down

10:00:45 here.

10:00:48 » And so this is Cheryl, and I would – if you all want to wear

10:00:52 a mask, I don’t have

10:00:54 a problem showing up, but I don’t see anybody wearing masks. So

10:00:57 I’m protecting you, but

10:00:59 no one’s protecting me.

10:01:03 » Can I ask the question, then, that we’re getting hit on on

10:01:06 social media? If we are

10:01:07 not going to have the meetings, how are we having kids coming

10:01:10 back to school if we’re

10:01:12 not going to sit within the same parameters and perimeters that

10:01:15 other people are? And

10:01:17 that’s the reason I pointed the question is, is that I have an

10:01:20 issue with that. I have

10:01:21 an issue with our kids having to come back to school and to go

10:01:24 back into the meeting

10:01:26 and us not do it. And I would make the recommendation that we

10:01:29 return to the dais, we put the chairs

10:01:30 out socially distanced, and we move on a meeting like that. I

10:01:34 mean, if we’re going to send

10:01:35 the message that we’re going to send pre-K kids back to school,

10:01:37 if we’re going to send

10:01:38 the message we’re coming back to school with 72,000 or 68,000

10:01:41 kids, I think it behooves

10:01:42 us to meet in a normal stance, especially when our other

10:01:45 municipalities and governments

10:01:47 are.

10:01:49 » I would suggest that they all are not, but –

10:01:51 » There’s some that are.

10:01:53 » There are some that are. The other thing that I would say, Mr.

10:01:56 Susan, and I understand

10:01:57 people saying how can we send students back to school in August,

10:02:03 as Ms. Hand spoke earlier

10:02:05 about prioritizing where we put our energies, one thing that is

10:02:10 absolutely certain is the

10:02:12 more that we change things up right now and the more

10:02:16 expectations that we put on staff

10:02:19 to handle our time here in the building is the more we’re

10:02:22 pulling them away from the

10:02:23 work that they need to do, and so I feel like we have a process

10:02:29 that’s working right now,

10:02:31 and I think absolutely working toward bringing people back into

10:02:36 the board meeting in August

10:02:38 is perfectly appropriate. My concern is if we say we decide, oh,

10:02:44 well, next Tuesday we’re

10:02:45 just going to go to a regular public comment, that is going to

10:02:50 be a whole lot of people

10:02:52 that the staff here at ESF are going to have to figure out how

10:02:56 to manage, how to socially

10:02:58 distance, how to clean up after, how to – we can’t set up there

10:03:04 six feet apart because

10:03:05 we can’t access – first of all, six feet apart, there’s just

10:03:09 too many of us. We can’t

10:03:11 fit up there and be six feet apart, so we have to be down here,

10:03:14 or some of us have to

10:03:15 be down here.

10:03:16 » But that’s our guidelines per the thing.

10:03:18 » No, six feet is CDC.

10:03:19 » Yeah, those are the recommended guidelines.

10:03:21 » So the other municipalities that are within six feet are

10:03:24 breaking the CDC guidelines?

10:03:25 » If you go to the county commission, you have only like four

10:03:28 county commissioners spread

10:03:29 across the top and the county manager, so the other one is

10:03:32 calling in remotely and the

10:03:34 attorney is on the floor, so that’s the way it was this week

10:03:37 when we went over there.

10:03:39 So they are spread out. They’re every other chair.

10:03:42 » So City of Cocoa, some of the other areas that I’ve been into

10:03:44 speaking at, they’re not

10:03:46 – they are a little bit tighter, but here’s my – here’s the

10:03:49 ultimate argument, is that

10:03:51 if we’re going to put kids inside a classroom shorter than six

10:03:54 feet, then I don’t think

10:03:55 that we can be respectful. I personally believe that. I just –

10:03:59 that’s my thing. And I may

10:04:01 be one board member that’s speaking to this, but we’re about to

10:04:04 ask all of our kids to

10:04:06 do the same. We’re already asking them to do that. I think that

10:04:09 we stand with them,

10:04:10 and that’s my feeling. So I would like to see what everybody

10:04:13 else’s feelings are on

10:04:14 that. And I understand that changing it to July 14th may be a

10:04:17 little difficult, but moving

10:04:18 that ball faster I think would be what I would be asking. But I

10:04:22 did have one question. You

10:04:24 said that the staff’s time would take longer if we did that.

10:04:27 Besides the public comment,

10:04:29 they’re already in here, right? Because I’m trying to understand

10:04:33 if that’s –

10:04:34 » Correct. No. I’m not talking about the cabinet because the

10:04:37 cabinet is typically available

10:04:38 during the meeting anyway. But what I’m talking about is how

10:04:40 many people do you think would

10:04:41 show up for a meeting next week to speak at public comments. And

10:04:46 all of those people have

10:04:46 to be managed, right? So we have to have – we have to manage

10:04:50 where they sit. We have to

10:04:51 manage when they’re coming into the building, how they’re coming

10:04:54 into the building. We have

10:04:55 to manage everything being cleaned after they leave the building.

10:05:00 And that’s pulling people

10:05:02 in general away from task. Not to mention, you know, exposure as

10:05:08 well. So I absolutely

10:05:10 understand your point of we’re sending kids back and we should

10:05:12 be willing to do the same,

10:05:14 and I get that. My only suggestion is that we phase it in

10:05:18 through starting with our workshops

10:05:20 in August so that we can gradually manage it instead of opening

10:05:26 up, you know, a huge

10:05:28 floodgate of people coming into the building that we have to

10:05:30 figure out how to manage in

10:05:31 a socially distanced safe way. » We could – an idea that I was

10:05:35 thinking

10:05:35 about because I thought about this is we could have – just like

10:05:38 you have people testing,

10:05:40 you could have a number system where people sit in their cars

10:05:42 out there and if they want

10:05:43 to give public comment, they can walk in, stand there. Or we

10:05:47 could give another location

10:05:48 inside the building where they walk in and give – just like

10:05:51 they do at the county commission.

10:05:52 I think they let them come in, they let them speak inside of

10:05:55 another area, and then they

10:05:57 leave. But that might be another area to do, and that would take

10:06:00 less than two people to

10:06:01 monitor that. I just feel strongly. I mean, like I – and I know

10:06:06 that I don’t want it

10:06:08 to seem like it’s a pandering thing to the public, but the

10:06:10 bottom line is that I feel

10:06:11 strong about it, and I really think that we should be together,

10:06:15 and I think it also sends

10:06:17 a message that we’re together also. I know that we’re trying to

10:06:20 do socially distanced,

10:06:21 but if we’ve got kids that are inside there that are tighter, we

10:06:25 can get tighter, and

10:06:26 that’s what my feelings are. And I’ll leave it up to the other

10:06:28 board members to make comments.

10:06:30 I’m sorry. » This is Cheryl again.

10:06:34 » Go ahead, Cheryl. » I haven’t – I didn’t hear anybody say

10:06:39 whether they would be willing to wear a mask to protect me or to

10:06:43 protect anybody else that

10:06:44 walks in that room. I did not hear that. Is there a problem with

10:06:49 that? I mean, really,

10:06:50 is there really a big problem with that? » I don’t think

10:06:54 anybody in here has a problem

10:06:56 wearing masks, Cheryl. I wanted to sit next to each other. The

10:06:59 issue that you have with

10:07:00 the mask is that when you’re speaking into the microphone and

10:07:03 when you’re doing other

10:07:04 things, it makes it difficult. That’s all. But if that’s what it

10:07:08 requires for this board

10:07:09 to meet up on the thing, I do not mind doing it. But I don’t see

10:07:13 that – I mean, you can

10:07:15 still call in virtually. I’m not requiring asking you that you

10:07:19 have to come in. But I

10:07:20 don’t have a problem doing something like that if it meant that

10:07:23 we could be together

10:07:24 on the dais. » While we’re going around, I’ll just weigh

10:07:31 in on, you know, since we’re trying – I’ve had similar thoughts

10:07:34 to Mr. Susan. I feel

10:07:36 like we need to come back, not next Tuesday, because it’s too

10:07:38 short of a turnaround. Our

10:07:39 next meeting after that is July the 30th, I believe, our budget

10:07:43 – our Thursday night

10:07:44 meeting, right? That would be right before everybody starts

10:07:48 coming back, August. We manage

10:07:50 it. It’s my understanding of the phase that we’re in. We can

10:07:53 have meetings of up to 50

10:07:54 people. You know, as far as, you know, we still need to be

10:07:57 spread out. It’s also my

10:07:58 understanding of CDC guidelines. And Ms. McDougall just

10:08:02 addressed that, you know, that if the

10:08:05 – if you have masks still, you know, it depends on where you

10:08:07 are, and different governments

10:08:09 are doing different – making different decisions. But masks are

10:08:12 for when you can’t socially

10:08:13 distance. We’re sitting actually eight feet apart today. If we

10:08:16 can sit eight to ten feet

10:08:17 apart, you know, and I’ve got my mask on when I walk in the door,

10:08:20 and I take it off when

10:08:21 I sit down, I don’t have a problem. But I, you know, for right

10:08:25 now, the executive orders

10:08:27 are that we can still – you know, we don’t have to have the quorum.

10:08:30 So Ms. McDougall

10:08:32 can call in, can vote and all of that, that she might not

10:08:34 normally be able to do. But

10:08:35

10:08:36 » Ms. – I mean, she can always call – as long as you have a

10:08:38 physical quorum, you can

10:08:39 – the board can still allow remote attendance. So –

10:08:42 » Right. But under normal circumstances, remote means that you

10:08:45 can –

10:08:45 » You can still – as long as you have the physical quorum,

10:08:48 they can still call in. It’s

10:08:49 left up to the board.

10:08:50 » They can still vote. Also –

10:08:51 » Yeah.

10:08:52 » Okay.

10:08:53 » That’s a board decision.

10:08:54 » Okay.

10:08:55 » It’s like in Marion –

10:08:56 » Okay. And we would never want to take away a vote.

10:08:57 » In Marion, they had a rule that you could not vote. They

10:09:00 would let you speak to an item.

10:09:01 » Okay.

10:09:02 » But board members that were not present in the room could not

10:09:05 vote.

10:09:06 » Gotcha. I mean, as far as – you know, we can do remote as

10:09:10 long as any one of us

10:09:12 – and, you know, truth be told, we talked about this way back

10:09:14 in March. There might

10:09:15 become a time when one of us tests positive or it needs to be quarantined

10:09:18 and, you know,

10:09:19 or three of us or four of us. I mean, as long as the executive

10:09:22 order is there, we can call

10:09:23 in whatever. But I’d like for us to start moving in that

10:09:26 direction as well, as long

10:09:27 as we can, you know, follow the current guidelines for

10:09:30 gatherings.

10:09:31 » But not next week.

10:09:36 » Ms. Duskovich.

10:09:38 » Oh, I thought I chimed in. Yeah, I think next week is

10:09:44 obviously too soon with everybody

10:09:45 scrambling to finalize the plan and with all the feedback coming

10:09:48 from today. But I definitely

10:09:50 want to get there. And I think that August workshops only is a

10:09:55 little slow for my taste.

10:09:58 Ms. Campbell, that’s everything I’ve read, is that if you’re

10:10:01 more than six feet apart,

10:10:02 the mask is – and that’s what we seem to be practicing with the

10:10:05 students with your

10:10:06 recommendations is when they’re on the bus and can’t be further

10:10:11 apart, masks, if they’re

10:10:12 going to be doing close contact things, masks. And maybe that’s

10:10:16 our – like right now we’re

10:10:17 eight feet apart. I don’t see a need to wear a mask. If we’re on

10:10:20 the dais, I don’t know,

10:10:22 somebody want to measure if it’s too close, maybe you have to

10:10:24 wear a mask. But then, you

10:10:25 know, I just have trouble hearing people. I was around three

10:10:29 people last night with masks

10:10:31 and I literally had to get like so close to them and go like

10:10:35 this. So I could hear. I

10:10:37 don’t know, maybe my hearing is not that good and I read lips

10:10:39 more than I thought. But it’s

10:10:41 so awkward for me because I’m not a personal space. I don’t like

10:10:45 getting in people’s personal

10:10:47 space. But if I can’t hear you, then I start getting closer and

10:10:49 closer and yet we’re in

10:10:50 a pandemic. And I’m like, well, now I’m like practically

10:10:53 touching you so I can hear you.

10:10:54 I’m just – you know, the whole thing is way more complicated

10:10:58 than it needs to be. Short

10:11:00 answer, I think we need to get the public back engaged. We’re

10:11:03 making really big decisions

10:11:05 that is affecting the public. Not just these things, but on our

10:11:11 budget we’ll be voting

10:11:12 on the media assistance, what we plan on doing with their

10:11:17 positions. These are all things

10:11:20 that I think the community needs to be able to look at us and

10:11:23 share their concerns. Does

10:11:25 that give you all the information you need? » And just since we’re

10:11:28 talking about public

10:11:29 comment, we may still have some public who want to comment but

10:11:32 don’t feel comfortable

10:11:34 coming in. And I want to be aware of that. Just like Ms. McDougall

10:11:37 is not comfortable

10:11:38 coming in right now, we may have some public. If there’s a way

10:11:41 for us to continue the phone-in

10:11:43 version, you know, if we can – to make things more complicated.

10:11:48 But if we can do both and

10:11:50 at least for a little while, because I don’t want people to be

10:11:53 silenced because they don’t

10:11:55 feel comfortable coming in. Does that make it too complicated?

10:12:02 » I think we’re just complicating it at a time when there’s

10:12:05 already a whole lot of complication

10:12:06 going on. But if that’s the wishes of the board, then that’s the

10:12:10 way that we move forward.

10:12:11 So I’ll get with Pam and find out what has been advertised and

10:12:15 how it’s been advertised

10:12:17 and look at the calendar. And then Dr. Mullins, I think the

10:12:21 board has given you a charge to

10:12:22 figure out how to get people in here safely. » We will work

10:12:28 toward that. If Cheryl’s not

10:12:31 coming in and Pam’s not on the dais, we might be able to start

10:12:34 saving some space up there,

10:12:36 if that makes sense. » We’ll take a look at all the

10:12:38 combinations.

10:12:39 » All right. The other thing I was going to say is did we talk

10:12:41 about possibly moving

10:12:43 the well care centers into a focus on COVID or anything like

10:12:47 that? Was that part of any

10:12:48 conversation? Because they’re well care centers, right? The

10:12:53 focus of our well care centers

10:12:55 is to focus on the well being of our people, focused on the

10:12:58 people that need it the most.

10:13:00 Would it behoove us to move our well care centers into kind of a

10:13:03 COVID focused area

10:13:04 to help those people get the test, to help them move, you know

10:13:06 what I mean, to help that

10:13:08 process? » That is a discussion that I’ve had with

10:13:11 Mr. Langdorf, and I can explore it further. I’m sorry Mrs. Seibert

10:13:16 is gone, but prior

10:13:17 I don’t even know what time it was. She talked about the PPE

10:13:20 that those who do the tests

10:13:21 have to wear, and that was one of the impediments in making sure

10:13:25 everybody’s isolated and those

10:13:26 well care centers aren’t set up for that. But it certainly –

10:13:30 » Not so much testing. I think that that wouldn’t be

10:13:32 appropriate at the time. But I

10:13:33 think that helping those individuals in this process through

10:13:37 getting the test from the

10:13:38 other place, being that, you know, there’s Cigna supposed to

10:13:41 follow up with follow up

10:13:42 care and everything else, and making sure that they have the

10:13:45 responsible piece. I mean,

10:13:47 part of well is being well. And I think that a lot of people don’t

10:13:50 take into consideration

10:13:52 that during this process the better your immune system is, the

10:13:55 better off you are. So if we’re

10:13:57 focusing on people that are taking the test and we’re calling

10:14:00 them to say, hey, here’s

10:14:01 some of the things you can be doing in order to, you know,

10:14:03 benefit yourself and come back

10:14:05 at an earlier time, I think that’s something that we could be

10:14:08 looking at, that’s all.

10:14:10 And then the other one is, is the whole hurricane plan that we

10:14:14 talked about, don’t say the letter

10:14:16 H. I know that it’s part of what we’re going to be doing, but we’re

10:14:19 going to be smack dab

10:14:20 coming right into hurricane season. And I don’t know what the

10:14:24 guidance is going to be

10:14:25 for cleaning and disinfecting and all that stuff. So it’s just

10:14:28 something to put on the

10:14:29 radar. And then –

10:14:32 » Mr. Susan, Mr. Novelli is in regular communication and work

10:14:36 with the Bart Emergency Operations

10:14:38 Center, specifically John Scott. And we’ve got – we’ve been

10:14:42 given direction in that.

10:14:44 I can ask Mr. Novelli to provide the board an update on where we

10:14:48 are with –

10:14:48 » We don’t need an update. I just – I just wanted to make sure

10:14:51 it was – and if that’s

10:14:52 good, we’re there. The last thing that I wanted to say was this,

10:14:55 is that we have a message

10:14:57 to get out. And I think that I am going to – and I would – I

10:15:01 think that a lot of the

10:15:03 other board members were going to do this, too – is that we

10:15:06 need to message the positive

10:15:07 in this, the heroes, the people that are doing it right, rather

10:15:10 than pointing out the ones

10:15:11 that don’t. And meaning that when we’re messaging and we should

10:15:14 be telling our parents that

10:15:16 we should be honoring the kids that are wearing the masks, not

10:15:19 pointing out the kids that

10:15:20 aren’t, if that makes sense, drive the positivity as opposed to

10:15:24 pointing out the negativity.

10:15:26 I think we could get to a good place with that. That’s all. And

10:15:28 if we could message

10:15:29 some really positive things about kids doing the right thing

10:15:32 with the masks, doing the

10:15:33 right thing with social distancing, doing the right thing, I

10:15:36 think that that helps sometimes,

10:15:37 too. That’s all. And that’s it. I’m done.

10:15:42 » All right. Circling back. Dr. Mullins, did you have

10:15:47 additional things that you wanted

10:15:49 to address before we go back to the big issues that were on your

10:15:52 list?

10:15:53 » Well, just for the benefit of making sure we’ve got our –

10:15:56 you know, everything covered

10:15:57 that we’ve discussed, if I can take a moment to just go through

10:16:00 my notes, some of the things

10:16:01 that we’ve already agreed to follow up on and provide to the

10:16:05 board, either by way of

10:16:06 an update or at the next – or at the board meeting on Tuesday.

10:16:10 Mr. Susan, you alluded

10:16:10 to the request for free and reduced lunch and distance learning

10:16:15 from the spring. We’ll

10:16:16 get you that – we’ll get that information for the board. We’ll

10:16:19 also be following – ensuring

10:16:20 that our videos for training will be also accommodate Spanish

10:16:29 version or other languages.

10:16:33 We’ll be looking at the chronic illness form as a possible

10:16:38 digital form to expedite the

10:16:40 process.

10:16:43 » And actually, if there’s any way to put more resources

10:16:45 towards it, if there’s a help,

10:16:47 because that’s going to be a funnel point. Sorry.

10:16:50 » I had a couple more. Just a second. We’re going to be

10:17:00 developing an illness indicators

10:17:02 quick reference card for employees as they are in contact with

10:17:06 students so that they

10:17:08 have, you know, a sense of what are some of the indicators that

10:17:12 they need to be aware

10:17:13 of to potentially send them to the clinic for further evaluation.

10:17:19 The discipline policy

10:17:21 team committee will be coming together to look at the

10:17:25 transportation, willful disobedience,

10:17:28 are there additional considerations that need to be made when

10:17:31 behavior is increasingly dangerous,

10:17:35 other consequences and that sort of thing. Also, there’s a

10:17:39 request for a timeline of

10:17:40 the training videos for staff. We’ll provide that to the board.

10:17:43 I don’t know that I’ll

10:17:44 have that ready for Tuesday, but that will be coming forward.

10:17:49 And Rachel Winston, our PE resource teacher, I’m not sure that’s

10:17:54 the right title, but she’s

10:17:56 going to be continuing to work on developing adaptive best

10:17:59 practices for PE teachers across

10:18:02 the district. So, they’ve got options outside of the traditional

10:18:09 gymnasium. And Dr. Thede

10:18:12 is following up on developing a plan for board discussion or

10:18:16 workshop around the potential

10:18:18 of employee leave related to COVID. Just again, for the board, I

10:18:27 have a call in to Joy Frank

10:18:30 related to the active assailant and fire drills, particularly in

10:18:34 the first 30 days of the school

10:18:37 year and hopes that FADS will take a position or statement on

10:18:41 that to the state looking

10:18:43 for some allowance or a waiver for that. And then Dr. Thede is

10:18:50 going to follow up on the

10:18:51 well care clinic focus related to COVID. Those are the things

10:18:56 that I have. We certainly will

10:18:58 be following up on for the board. The topics that I have listed

10:19:04 for additional direction

10:19:06 from the board in preparation for Tuesday’s board meeting,

10:19:10 feedback, direction on our

10:19:13 academic plans, both for the elementary level as well as the

10:19:17 secondary level, the utilization

10:19:19 of temperature checks. There was discussion, we have thermometers,

10:19:24 touchless thermometers

10:19:26 in all of our schools, but there was discussion around expanding

10:19:31 the utilization of temperature

10:19:33 checks. We did not have that as a recommendation in the plan, so

10:19:36 we do need further direction

10:19:38 from the board. I summarized or surmised that doing temperature

10:19:44 checks upon initial entry

10:19:46 of students on the campus would be very difficult from a

10:19:51 capacity standpoint. It is more feasible

10:19:54 once students arrive in their classroom, but that would require

10:19:58 some discussion with the

10:19:59 union. There was an optional discussion, so we would need

10:20:03 further direction from the board

10:20:04 of what the expectations are there. There was discussion, we

10:20:08 need further direction

10:20:09 on face coverings and the language expectation or enforcement of

10:20:14 utilization of face coverings

10:20:16 on campuses. There was discussion about volunteer access on

10:20:22 campus. We had recommended that

10:20:25 volunteers not be permitted on campus and there was some

10:20:28 discussion that that be reconsidered,

10:20:30 so we need further direction from the board on that as well as

10:20:34 utilizing swing sets. I

10:20:37 believe there was consensus on the board that playgrounds should

10:20:41 not be accessible, but

10:20:43 there was some discussion specifically around swing sets. So I’d

10:20:47 appreciate board direction

10:20:48 on those items. If I could circle back with two things on

10:20:54 the previous list, two general questions that I would like to

10:20:59 pose or comments, I guess.

10:21:02 One is for Dr. Sullivan and Ms. Klein, you guys did, well, and

10:21:08 government and community

10:21:10 relations did such a phenomenal job with the videos last time

10:21:14 during our distance learning.

10:21:17 If there is the capacity and the patience and the desire to do

10:21:20 so, I think that it would

10:21:22 be phenomenal if you could do one for elementary education

10:21:26 options and one for secondary education

10:21:29 options, just kind of highlighting, especially I think Dr.

10:21:33 Sullivan, some of the secondary

10:21:34 stuff gets really complicated, but I think it would be really

10:21:37 good information for parents.

10:21:39 So if you have the opportunity to do that after we finalize

10:21:43 where we’re going, temporarily

10:21:46 finalize until things change again, I think that would be really

10:21:49 helpful for our families

10:21:50 to really understand. And then my second thing is one of I think

10:21:59 one of the challenges that I have in really knowing how to best

10:22:04 move forward and what

10:22:06 things I should be paying attention to within our reopening plan

10:22:11 is kind of a lack of knowledge

10:22:13 about what we currently have going on with regard to COVID. And

10:22:18 Ms. Moore, feel free

10:22:19 to tell me if this would just be an absolute nightmare for you,

10:22:23 but I would love for the

10:22:25 board to have updates similar to what we have with our incident

10:22:28 reports. We get the daily

10:22:30 incident report of things that are going on in the district. I

10:22:34 feel like it would be really

10:22:35 helpful for us to know where we’re seeing problems and where

10:22:39 what we’re doing is working

10:22:41 and not divulging private information about anyone, but so that

10:22:48 we have an idea of the

10:22:49 types of challenges that we’re facing with regard to COVID and

10:22:52 potential issues. Does

10:22:53 that make sense? Yeah, I understand.

10:22:56 Is that a huge ask of you? No.

10:23:00 Okay. Thank you. Welcome. I think I think that would that for me

10:23:04 anyway, I think it

10:23:05 would help me to gauge, you know, as we’re going forward what we

10:23:10 need to do. All right.

10:23:12 Thank you. Thank you. Okay. And Ms. Moore, I think you had

10:23:16 something as Dr. Mullins was

10:23:17 running through his list. I didn’t want to leave out the

10:23:22 concerns that Mr. Gibbs was

10:23:25 going to look into in terms of what it would mean to for our

10:23:32 teachers to do a scan, a medical

10:23:35 screener on students every day and whether or not we would need

10:23:40 parent permission to

10:23:41 do so. There’s just some complications in there we need to get

10:23:45 answered as we move forward

10:23:46 on that. Good, Dr. Mullins. All right. Then let’s go ahead and

10:23:55 start with the elementary

10:23:57 academic options. Does anyone have concerns, questions,

10:24:01 suggestions, recommendations or

10:24:04 do you want to give a thumbs up to move in the direction that

10:24:06 they’re currently moving?

10:24:08 I’m going to give a thumbs up. I think that is the e-learning is

10:24:11 absolutely what the public

10:24:12 has been asking for. Parents have been asking for the ones who

10:24:15 aren’t ready to go for active

10:24:16 brick and mortar. They want to stay in their regular school but

10:24:19 be able to do it from home

10:24:20 at least for the time. Ms. Deskevich. Thumbs up with just the

10:24:26 small caveat of or the comment

10:24:31 of and I’m sure we’re already planning on it, keeping the desks

10:24:34 as far apart as possible.

10:24:36 We seem to be getting a lot of concerns already about the three

10:24:39 feet instead of the six feet.

10:24:40 So if we can manage the six feet, I think we need to do

10:24:43 everything we can to get that

10:24:45 six feet in. And Ms. Campbell and I were chatting on the break

10:24:49 just for a minute about potential.

10:24:51 We can’t promise class sizes will be smaller but it seems like

10:24:54 if more people choose the

10:24:55 option to not be in the school, then ultimately the class sizes

10:24:59 will be smaller. So I know

10:25:01 everybody’s panicked that they’re going to be at max capacity 18

10:25:06 to 22 but if the trend

10:25:08 is the same as what the state is seeing that half the kids are

10:25:10 choosing other options,

10:25:11 I would think the classes would be not half size because we’re

10:25:15 still going to have this,

10:25:17 you know, a lot of the teachers are going to be teaching

10:25:19 virtually but it seems like

10:25:20 the numbers would come out smaller. Am I incorrect? Because you’re

10:25:25 looking like I’m incorrect.

10:25:28 We will, we are certainly required to meet class size and we

10:25:32 will, we would do that but

10:25:34 I can’t make any assurance that class sizes will be smaller

10:25:36 because we’re not funded for

10:25:37 them to be smaller. Understood. If students aren’t coming and

10:25:42 they’re taking advantage

10:25:43 of eLearning or BVS, then those teachers that would have been in

10:25:46 brick and mortar will be

10:25:48 diverted to those other things. Understood. And I know nobody in

10:25:52 this room wants to mention

10:25:53 it but somebody may choose something else that’s not in our

10:25:56 choices and our numbers

10:25:58 could potentially go down. We will lose the funds, yes, but we

10:26:01 will still have the same

10:26:02 allocations. No, we won’t. No, we will have to make adjustments

10:26:07 based on the allocations,

10:26:09 particularly with uncertain funding second semester. That was

10:26:14 the conversation. I just

10:26:16 don’t want the public, I don’t want the public to leave this

10:26:19 conversation believing that

10:26:20 we’re going to be able to provide smaller class sizes than we

10:26:22 have before. That is not

10:26:24 the case. So, we are leaving this meeting pretty confident that

10:26:27 classes are going to

10:26:27 be 18 and 22 in elementary school or thereabout. We will adhere

10:26:32 to class size. You keep saying

10:26:34 adhere and that makes me think we’re not going to pass it up,

10:26:37 right, like we’re going to

10:26:38 adhere but you’re saying we’re not just going to adhere. It’s

10:26:42 not like we want to have 18,

10:26:44 we always max it at 18, right, or 22, whichever the grade level

10:26:49 is. Our obligations to class

10:26:51 size amendment are average class size by school and we have met

10:26:54 that consistently as a district

10:26:56 and that would continue to be our practice. That, what we have

10:27:00 instances where there was

10:27:03 a class with 19. We will certainly work to avoid that but we don’t,

10:27:08 we’re not being assured

10:27:09 the funding that we’re going to be able to sustain that. I

10:27:13 understand our funding issues

10:27:15 but I think, and I’ve been fine with the averages that we’ve

10:27:18 used in the past but I’m wondering

10:27:20 now if we really need to strictly adhere and try to figure out

10:27:25 how to, I know that’s dropping

10:27:27 a bomb after a nine hour meeting but if the averages end up

10:27:32 putting 20 kids in a class,

10:27:35 I mean that makes a difference right now more than ever. So, do

10:27:38 we have any idea what the

10:27:40 cost is if we strictly adhere to the 18 and 22? We, I can’t

10:27:45 provide the Board a cost.

10:27:47 Didn’t we at some point strictly adhere and then we switched to

10:27:51 using the averages? When

10:27:53 we were not a full choice district we didn’t qualify for the

10:27:57 average school. I want to

10:27:59 say that was at least five or six years, several years ago. Even

10:28:03 more than that? We have been

10:28:05 utilizing the average class size for the last several years.

10:28:10 Okay. Okay, well you ultimately

10:28:14 have my thumbs up. Yes. Sorry that was a long, long way around.

10:28:18 Mr. Susan. I was, Dr. Mullins,

10:28:21 I think you’re hinting on it and I think everybody needs to know

10:28:25 that we will not know our numbers

10:28:26 and how that’s going to allocate until they put that survey

10:28:30 together and again we need

10:28:32 to back into that survey and fill that darn thing out but I was

10:28:35 getting at, if you have

10:28:37 a teacher that’s in that classroom and we’re trying, say 13 kids

10:28:41 leave the classroom and

10:28:42 there’s 13 kids left, just say for instance, so that everybody

10:28:46 knows whoever’s teaching

10:28:47 those online classes is going to have to have more than the

10:28:51 actual amount to compensate

10:28:53 for the fact that we only have 13 in this teacher’s classroom

10:28:56 because we only have so

10:28:57 many teachers for so many kids. We don’t have allocated more

10:29:01 allocations for more so the

10:29:03 online classes are going to have to be more kids than the kids

10:29:06 inside the classrooms to

10:29:07 compensate for the 13 less seats. Does that make sense, Dr. Mullins?

10:29:11 I understand what

10:29:12 you’re saying. I don’t know that that will necessarily be true

10:29:15 that the e-learning, because

10:29:16 we’re going to have to adhere to class size for the e-learning

10:29:19 classes as well. What may

10:29:21 occur, and Ms. Klein alluded to it, is that we may have a multi-age

10:29:26 class, which we have

10:29:28 had in the past as a result of needing to meet class size

10:29:32 amendments. So there may be

10:29:35 a fourth and fifth grade e-learning class combined, if that

10:29:38 makes sense, to get to maximize

10:29:40 class size. Ms. Klein, did I represent that correctly? Ms. McDougall,

10:29:47 you want to weigh

10:29:47 in on the elementary plan? I want to give it a thumbs up also,

10:29:53 and I also would much

10:29:54 prefer that our desks are six feet apart than the three, or as

10:29:59 close to six, because I think

10:30:02 that will make a difference. All right, and I will give you a

10:30:09 thumbs up on elementary

10:30:10 as well. Same concerns, you know, just doing as much as we can

10:30:16 to ensure distancing. That

10:30:19 brings us to our secondary plan. Ms. Campbell, you want to weigh

10:30:25 in? Oh, I get to go first.

10:30:27 You want me to start with Ms. McDougall? Yes. Ms. McDougall. For

10:30:36 me, I like the black schedule.

10:30:41 I think it will provide some safety for our teachers. I think it

10:30:45 will be more beneficial

10:30:47 for some of our students. So, yes, a thumbs up for the black

10:30:54 schedule. Mr. Susan. Oh,

10:30:57 you want me to go before everybody else? I was just going in

10:31:00 order from. When we’re giving

10:31:04 direction here, you’re asking for direction to continue to look

10:31:08 into it. You’re not looking

10:31:09 for direction to completely drive the actual, we’re going to

10:31:13 block right now because you

10:31:14 said you’re going to go back to your principal, correct? I’m

10:31:21 asking for your support if we

10:31:26 can make the math work, utilize some CARES Act funds where

10:31:32 necessary, and Dr. Mullins

10:31:35 is in support of what the financial impact would be for us to

10:31:39 proceed with that plan.

10:31:41 It is, again, a big lift. So I can push the teams to move

10:31:50 further on that. But what I

10:31:56 need to know is if we can make it to his satisfaction and, of

10:32:00 course, Ms. Lisinski and those things,

10:32:02 is this something that you support? Okay. So where I’m at with

10:32:10 this is that we

10:32:11 just decided in this decision right here to move the entire

10:32:15 secondary possibly to block

10:32:17 scheduling, which I feel we need some time to get to the

10:32:21 principals to do all those things.

10:32:24 I would love to have that decision come back to us on Tuesday,

10:32:28 whether we do it or not,

10:32:30 because I think some conversations need to be had. I’m hearing

10:32:33 from both sides that it’s

10:32:34 good, it’s bad, right? I need some time to look at it. But when

10:32:38 I look at this from the

10:32:39 beginning, I see we are going to have less teachers coming back

10:32:43 than the ones that we

10:32:44 had before. We’re going to be asking teachers to take on more

10:32:48 because even though it’s block

10:32:50 scheduling, there is a need inside that block scheduling for

10:32:54 teachers to teach four of four.

10:32:56 So they’re going to have to – there is going to be a need for

10:32:58 that. There’s possible PAR,

10:33:00 which means that we’re going to need more teachers in the

10:33:02 schools, which if it was one

10:33:04 or two, that’s no big deal, but when we have 18, a couple of

10:33:08 extra units. So there’s the

10:33:10 cost of it all, but then the other piece is that when you start

10:33:15 looking at how much time

10:33:17 we have to teach a bunch of teachers that have never taught

10:33:22 block on how to not only

10:33:24 teach the way that they’re supposed to for COVID, but now all of

10:33:28 a sudden they have to

10:33:29 take what they would have had done in 47 minutes, and some of

10:33:32 these people have been teaching

10:33:33 20, 30 years on 47 minutes, to then shift it to 90 minutes, confining

10:33:40 a class for disciplinary

10:33:42 issues, time that staff needs. We normally take a year when we

10:33:46 move a school to block

10:33:47 scheduling. I remember when we did it at, I think it was Space

10:33:51 Coast, it took a year

10:33:53 for them to transition, or it was Titusville or astronaut.

10:33:56 Somebody took a whole year.

10:33:57 We were talking about that when we first came on, is that it

10:34:00 takes a year for them to transition

10:34:02 and we’re going to be putting that down into like a week. And

10:34:05 then on top of that, the

10:34:06 other thing is, is that a lot of those kids that are inside

10:34:08 those schools have gone through

10:34:09 the block scheduling, so they’ve continued to do it over and

10:34:13 over again. And so they’re

10:34:14 conditioned for it. And I just, I know that the way that they’re

10:34:19 successful in some of

10:34:20 those things is that they teach zero blocks. They teach extra

10:34:24 blocks. And I have a concern

10:34:26 there, but I do know that the bottom line is, is that you’re

10:34:28 trying to do contract tracing.

10:34:30 You’re trying to make sure that when they get test positive,

10:34:34 that you can control that.

10:34:35 And that’s a big piece here. So I need some time on this one. I’m

10:34:39 okay going forward,

10:34:40 you know, to take a look at it, but I don’t want this thumbs up

10:34:43 right now to mean that

10:34:44 if you can make it work, you just go. Because I might find out

10:34:47 tomorrow or the next day

10:34:48 that it’s completely a disaster. We might all find out. We need

10:34:52 to have that ability

10:34:53 to come back to you. I don’t think with the current time period

10:34:57 that we have, that we

10:34:58 can do that. So I would request that it comes back to us for

10:35:00 further discussion if we have

10:35:02 any issues. Does that make sense on Tuesday? Yeah, I just, I

10:35:07 mean, it’s just, if I have

10:35:11 to say it less time, less time for them to plan scheduling,

10:35:15 nobody’s done the scheduling

10:35:17 for block and any of the other schools except to the ESC becomes

10:35:21 an issue because now we

10:35:22 have to code. We have to make applications and do those pieces.

10:35:25 How does a substitute

10:35:27 work into block? Have they ever done it before? So all of our

10:35:30 substitutes need to switch over.

10:35:33 I just think that it’s a lot to put on a teacher at a time when

10:35:35 we didn’t have time. That’s

10:35:37 all. All right, I’m good. So I don’t like block, going to this

10:35:44 really quickly because

10:35:45 of the reasons that I shared, but everything that’s positive

10:35:50 about this is, outweighs what

10:35:53 I don’t like. And as far as, you know, and our teachers, yes,

10:35:57 they’re going to make some

10:35:59 huge adjustments, but from the feedback that I’ve seen, even

10:36:02 already coming in the breaks

10:36:04 checking different things, I’m already seeing positive of, I

10:36:06 would have felt so much more

10:36:07 comfortable coming back to school if I only am exposed to three

10:36:11 classes of kids versus

10:36:12 six. And the changes, you know, less passing periods, which is

10:36:16 one of the things we’re

10:36:18 so concerned about and more time to plan, more time to adjust,

10:36:22 especially if we’re going

10:36:23 to be in school, out of school, our kids only having four

10:36:27 classes of work, you know, full

10:36:29 long classes, but four that they’ve got to focus on in the weeks

10:36:32 when we’re going to

10:36:33 be distance learning because we have cases pop up in schools. I,

10:36:39 so I’m ready to tell

10:36:40 you, yes, move forward and check in with our principals. I would

10:36:46 just ask, very seriously

10:36:49 ask, I’m going to give you my serious face, that very strong

10:36:53 consideration to students’

10:36:55 schedules and their preferences, especially when it comes to,

10:36:57 you know, if, you know,

10:36:58 I don’t know how Titusville does it, but if they do band all

10:37:00 year long and they’ve got

10:37:01 three other classes, but whatever, that, you know, students are

10:37:03 all of a sudden, their

10:37:04 preferences that they put in in the spring of what classes they

10:37:08 wanted, everything kind

10:37:09 of gets readjusted because you don’t get to pick, am I going to

10:37:11 take it in the fall, I’m

10:37:12 going to take it in the spring, and with the academic classes, I

10:37:14 know there’s probably

10:37:15 a better way to do that and it all gets shuffled out, but just,

10:37:18 you know, that’s really going

10:37:20 to rock some of the performing groups and the arts and the elective

10:37:25 classes world in

10:37:26 doing this, and so I’m very cautious to do that, but I just, ooh,

10:37:32 but I can give you

10:37:33 my yes.

10:37:43 » I share a little bit of Mr. Susan’s concern on making such a

10:37:48 big decision with, I mean,

10:37:50 I’ll admittedly say I know nothing except for what’s been spoken

10:37:54 today about block scheduling.

10:37:56 On the surface, you’ve got my support, you’ve got my vote.

10:38:00 Basically because it reduces by half the contact, and I think

10:38:05 that’s, you know, that’s what

10:38:07 this meeting is about today is how we’re going to go back to

10:38:10 school with 68,000 students

10:38:13 as safe as we can in the most normal fashion, and this still

10:38:18 allows kids to have their classes

10:38:21 and to, I mean, it’s going to cause issues.

10:38:24 I’m really concerned about AP and some of the advanced students,

10:38:28 I’ve had a lot of concerns,

10:38:30 but I think, and you didn’t even speak about that, you said it

10:38:34 later in the meeting, like

10:38:35 not even when you were presenting, and it hit me just as this

10:38:40 wasn’t an easy decision

10:38:42 for you to even bring forward.

10:38:43 You know what this is going to do in the disruption and what it’s

10:38:46 going to put on your principles

10:38:47 and I know how you like to protect them, so I’m assuming you

10:38:51 feel strongly that this is

10:38:52 going to keep everybody the safest, and so you have my thumbs up.

10:39:00 » So I’m living block, actually I’m living block and I’m living

10:39:04 a seven period because

10:39:05 I have one on block and I have one on seven period day.

10:39:11 And I will tell you that they make it work very well.

10:39:15 The feedback I’ve heard is it would be great if we could have

10:39:17 more time, maybe if we could

10:39:18 start school like a week later to give more time to train

10:39:22 teachers and that sort of thing.

10:39:24 And I understand that, but you know, having taught at the

10:39:31 college level, some days you

10:39:34 are teaching a Monday, Wednesday, Friday class and you’re

10:39:37 teaching for 50 minutes and some

10:39:39 days you’re teaching a Tuesday, Thursday class and you’re

10:39:43 teaching for two hours and you

10:39:46 know, I think content wise, teachers can adjust with some

10:39:50 coaching along the way and make

10:39:53 it work.

10:39:55 I believe that they are absolutely professional enough to step

10:40:00 in and do that and will it

10:40:01 be phenomenal and ideal day one?

10:40:05 Probably not because it is an adjustment, but I do believe that

10:40:08 they can quickly adjust

10:40:09 to the block schedule.

10:40:13 You know, the Titusville community when we got rid of block at

10:40:16 astronaut was very upset

10:40:17 because it was what they had already known and they really

10:40:20 appreciated it.

10:40:21 The Titusville high community loves their block schedule because

10:40:26 of the CTE and the

10:40:28 extracurriculars and it works out really, really well for them.

10:40:33 Perhaps most importantly, I will tell you that when we did have

10:40:40 to go to our emergency

10:40:42 at home learning, it was much easier with my block schedule kid

10:40:48 than it was with my

10:40:50 seven period kid.

10:40:52 And when I say easier, I don’t mean like academically easier.

10:40:57 The rigor was there with the four classes, but being able to

10:41:01 manage four classes as opposed

10:41:03 to managing seven classes and seven different teaching styles

10:41:07 and seven different ways of

10:41:09 putting the assignments out, the block schedule was so much

10:41:15 easier for I think everyone to

10:41:17 adapt to our emergency at home learning platform.

10:41:23 And I anticipate a significant amount of that coming in our

10:41:26 future, unfortunately, just

10:41:28 to be realistic.

10:41:30 But my big driver in supporting the secondary plan is, you know,

10:41:36 as I said earlier, I am

10:41:38 incredibly nervous about our responsibility to keep our faculty

10:41:42 and staff and our students

10:41:44 safe.

10:41:45 And I feel like this probably has one of the larger impacts on

10:41:50 really minimizing those

10:41:52 exposures for our secondary faculty, staff, and students.

10:41:57 And so you have my thumbs up, Dr. Sullivan.

10:42:00 The only thing that I would say is I still love the possibility

10:42:04 of being able to do some

10:42:05 in class and some at home if it comes to that, and looking at

10:42:09 those ways that if we have

10:42:11 a teacher that has to go out on, you know, a 14-day quarantine

10:42:15 because she was in contact

10:42:17 or he was in contact with someone, looking at ways that we can,

10:42:21 you know, keep them engaged

10:42:23 with their students.

10:42:24 [ Inaudible Remark ]

10:42:25 Yes.

10:42:27 So, yes, I was looking at you both, so.

10:42:31 But I thank you for making this a possibility.

10:42:35 And please thank your principals if they move in that direction.

10:42:38 The only thing that I would say is if you go back to your

10:42:41 principals and they’re like,

10:42:42 you are absolutely going to kill us, you know, I don’t want to

10:42:47 push them over the edge, but

10:42:49 if they truly think this is doable with the timeline that you

10:42:52 have put before them, then

10:42:53 you have my blessing.

10:42:55 OK.

10:42:56 Was that enough guidance?

10:43:00 Did you need further?

10:43:02 [ Inaudible Remark ]

10:43:06 So, to summarize, by far the board’s consensus is to move

10:43:16 forward with block and, you know,

10:43:22 if Dr. Sullivan determines and we evaluate the fiscal viability

10:43:28 of it, we will bring

10:43:30 that recommendation forward, you know, hopefully on Tuesday or

10:43:34 at least an update of what that’s

10:43:36 going to look like for further consideration.

10:43:39 But my– what I’m sensing is the board is supportive of moving

10:43:44 forward with this as

10:43:46 the primary consideration for our secondary schools next year.

10:43:50 With the auspice that the principals are supportive and that our

10:43:55 union is in support too so that

10:43:57 we don’t–

10:43:58 I think I feel comfortable living in both lanes because in

10:44:03 reality, there’s not going

10:44:06 to be a ton of movement between now and Tuesday.

10:44:09 And so, I would certainly anticipate our board members, you know,

10:44:15 having additional thoughts

10:44:17 and things like that.

10:44:20 I want to empower them a little to start taking more steps and

10:44:23 reaching out to their school

10:44:24 communities and so, what I hear is that I have the support to go

10:44:28 ahead and have them

10:44:29 start reaching out to their school communities.

10:44:31 Again, prior to today, only the principal and assistant

10:44:34 principal knew because they

10:44:35 didn’t want any discussion prior to the board.

10:44:38 And so, what I’m hearing is enough support to go in that

10:44:43 direction but again, of course,

10:44:46 this actual presentation to the community is on Tuesday and of

10:44:49 course the board, you

10:44:51 know, can certainly weigh in again on then as well to Mr. Susan’s

10:44:55 point.

10:44:55 » I think it’s– for me, it’s the principals and just learning

10:44:58 more about it because what

10:44:59 Ms. Belford just said was great.

10:45:00 You know what I mean?

10:45:01 You made some great points.

10:45:02 I’m learning as we go on it.

10:45:04 That’s all.

10:45:05 Thank you.

10:45:06 » Thank you.

10:45:07 » All right.

10:45:08 So, elementary and secondary, we are good Dr. Mullins with

10:45:12 direction?

10:45:13 » Yes, Madam Chair.

10:45:15 » Moving on to temperature checks.

10:45:19 I know it’s Mr. Susan’s issue but we received a message

10:45:22 somewhere along the way here that

10:45:24 other districts are doing like spot checking in a sense so it’s

10:45:28 not every single student

10:45:30 but it’s Monday, kids that come through the front gate get it,

10:45:35 Tuesday, kids come through

10:45:36 the side gate get it.

10:45:37 And it’s not a perfect system but something for us maybe to

10:45:42 think about.

10:45:43 I don’t think something like that should be hardcore in policy

10:45:46 like every Tuesday.

10:45:48 I don’t know.

10:45:49 But that’s–it sounded like maybe it’s something we should

10:45:54 discuss.

10:45:55 I’m interested in after our discussion at least allowing if it’s

10:46:00 legal and doesn’t infringe

10:46:02 on privacy, us providing a thermometer for teachers that request.

10:46:09 I don’t know how we budget for that because we don’t know how

10:46:11 many would want one or how

10:46:12 long does it take to get them in?

10:46:15 » I’m going to hedge my response, you get another ish because

10:46:20 inventory changes with

10:46:22 great regularity.

10:46:23 This amount that we ordered we got very quickly and when I say

10:46:28 very quickly within two weeks.

10:46:31 At this–the next scale and as we get closer to school year, I

10:46:35 certainly can’t–nobody

10:46:37 can speak to that supply chain issue.

10:46:40 The sooner we get the order in the better and so obviously as

10:46:44 you guys are thinking

10:46:46 through any changes you want us to make before Tuesday, we would

10:46:51 want to get the order in

10:46:52 as soon as possible.

10:46:55 And it would have to in all likelihood be enough for all

10:47:01 teachers only because I think

10:47:04 that’s odd if we don’t.

10:47:06 And so what we–like we did with the shield, we did all teachers,

10:47:11 these are way more expensive

10:47:13 but we could–we could order tomorrow.

10:47:19 That’s not my decision to make, that’s the board’s and Dr. Mullen’s

10:47:22 decision to make

10:47:22 but once that decision is made, we can place the order quickly.

10:47:26 We’re working with a vendor, again, unless supply chain is

10:47:30 choking closer to the start

10:47:32 of the school, I can’t guess.

10:47:34 » If I could speak, I felt that we just needed some kind of a

10:47:39 stronger plan there and I was

10:47:41 looking for us to reevaluate how to do that.

10:47:45 I will say that pulling the trigger on purchasing one for every

10:47:49 teacher, we would have to check

10:47:50 in with the teachers to see if this is something that they

10:47:53 really want.

10:47:53 I don’t even know.

10:47:54 I may leave here and they may say, “You’re crazy.

10:47:56 I don’t want one of those things,” or they may say, “Yeah.”

10:47:59 I think that needs to come in but, you know, Disney is literally

10:48:03 going to temperature check

10:48:05 every single person that comes into Disney.

10:48:08 There’s got to be a way that we can figure out if that behooves

10:48:12 us to be stronger for

10:48:13 parents to come back that we can do it.

10:48:15 That’s all.

10:48:16 » They also check bags and have metal detectors and, you know,

10:48:19 Ms. Campbell was 100% right

10:48:21 like when we were visiting all that, we don’t have the manpower,

10:48:24 we don’t make money like

10:48:25 Disney does to – » And theme parks have staggered entry.

10:48:31 I mean, keep in mind, we’re trying to bring in hundreds of kids

10:48:35 within –

10:48:35 » Thousands.

10:48:36 » Yeah, or thousands within 20 to 30 minutes at best.

10:48:41 So that’s what presents the capacity challenge if it’s upon

10:48:48 entry.

10:48:49 » Well, and if every – so let’s break it down from there.

10:48:52 If you have 100 teachers at Viera, which you have more than that,

10:48:55 and you have 2,000 kids,

10:48:57 then that’s 20 kids per teacher, right?

10:48:59 It takes one and a half seconds to actually register the thing,

10:49:03 okay?

10:49:04 So if we have the teachers have them in their hands when the

10:49:07 people are coming in and they’re

10:49:08 able to figure out a way to where that student does not enter

10:49:12 into that classroom, we may

10:49:14 potentially stop what would become one of these breaks where an

10:49:17 entire classroom and

10:49:18 teacher and everybody else has to stay out in 14 minutes.

10:49:22 The fiscal cost of that, I think, far exceeds anything of

10:49:26 preventativeness that might be

10:49:28 out there.

10:49:29 That’s all.

10:49:30 But I didn’t ask to purchase one for every teacher.

10:49:33 I just asked if we could look into what that looks like.

10:49:36 There’s probably a thousand ideas.

10:49:38 You just found out that there’s this spot checking that goes on.

10:49:41 There may be other ideas out there.

10:49:43 I just think that our public would want a stronger response than

10:49:48 if we can or we can’t

10:49:49 even test them, then we’re just going to give a couple and just

10:49:52 hope that we test some kids

10:49:53 that don’t normally have family support to be – I just think

10:49:58 that that was not a strong

10:49:59 one.

10:50:00 I think we can do better.

10:50:01 That’s all.

10:50:03 Okay.

10:50:04 My turn.

10:50:05 Thank you for clarifying.

10:50:06 You’re not asking for us to have one for every teacher.

10:50:11 I just don’t think that’s feasible and I’m thinking about a new

10:50:14 routine as we’re asking

10:50:15 every teacher as students line up to walk in, pump up hand sanitizer,

10:50:18 and that’s about

10:50:19 as long as we want them standing in the hallway all together

10:50:21 waiting to get into their classrooms.

10:50:22 You think about two classrooms right next to each other.

10:50:26 We’re trying to avoid situations where they’re standing close

10:50:30 together, and so – and the

10:50:33 younger they are, the more difficult it’s going to be.

10:50:35 And so we’re just – hand sanitizer on the way into classrooms,

10:50:38 and I think we’re just

10:50:39 adding an extra step.

10:50:40 I do – wouldn’t mind us just not necessarily purchasing more,

10:50:43 but having – if we can find

10:50:45 out what opportunities can we have to, you know, random – if

10:50:49 the clinic nurse doesn’t

10:50:50 have anything else to do, you know, in period two, you know,

10:50:53 maybe come around and just

10:50:55 doing, you know, random checks.

10:50:56 If that’s – I don’t have a problem with that, but I just don’t

10:51:00 – I think this is – I don’t

10:51:02 know that this is the be all and all thing that’s going to save

10:51:06 the day.

10:51:06 I think when we talk about all the things that you guys have

10:51:10 planned to put in place,

10:51:11 we’re doing all those things not to keep COVID out, but because

10:51:13 we’re actually expecting

10:51:14 it to come in.

10:51:15 Not wanting it to, but expecting it to come in.

10:51:17 So that’s why we’re facing all the same way.

10:51:19 That’s why we’re strongly recommending masks.

10:51:21 That’s why we’re, you know, limiting – we’re changing to block

10:51:23 schedule, doing all those

10:51:24 things, because we expect it to come in, and all these things

10:51:26 are going to mitigate the

10:51:27 spread when it comes in.

10:51:30 So you know, I understand what Mr. Susan’s thought is to, you

10:51:35 know, kind of put a stronger

10:51:37 wall defense around the thing, but I think we’re going to have

10:51:41 to rely on our teachers

10:51:42 and our staff to recognize beyond what our parents are doing,

10:51:46 but sometimes a kid comes

10:51:48 to sick school and they’re just fine, and once they get to

10:51:50 school, then they start looking

10:51:51 sick to do what they have always done as far as sending kids to

10:51:55 the clinic and then moving

10:51:57 through our procedure from there.

10:52:02 » Did that tell you how I feel?

10:52:06 » I think so.

10:52:07 I’ll summarize at the end, just so there’s no, you know, no

10:52:10 confusion.

10:52:11 » Are we – are teachers holding the sanitizer and actually

10:52:14 pumping it at everyone?

10:52:16 That was something that we asked them?

10:52:19 Are we setting it to the side so they can do it coming in?

10:52:21 » I imagine some will want to do that.

10:52:23 So our – we did not imagine that when we ordered them, but

10:52:29 honestly, could I see that?

10:52:31 Absolutely 100% I could see that.

10:52:34 We imagined that at like a little table when you walked in, but

10:52:40 to Ms. Campbell’s point,

10:52:42 I could see that as well.

10:52:44 We just got the biggest jug we could get per teacher just for

10:52:50 economy of scale, but we

10:52:53 hadn’t planned to mandate how the teacher utilized said hand sanitizer.

10:52:57 » Right.

10:52:58 This is going to be another step in the process.

10:53:00 » Dr. Thede wanted to ask a clarifying question as well.

10:53:02 » I just need to – I need to go back for a second to the thermometers.

10:53:05 I heard volunteer.

10:53:06 I heard something that sounded a little bit like required, and I

10:53:10 want to make sure that

10:53:11 when I walk out, I understand what we’re looking at.

10:53:14 I know – I don’t remember when, but a while ago, Mr. Kluche

10:53:17 shared survey results with

10:53:19 me of teachers that BFT had done, and there was some agreement,

10:53:24 about 60% of volunteering

10:53:26 to do temperatures.

10:53:27 I want to make sure we’re all on the same page with volunteer

10:53:30 versus required in keeping

10:53:31 with what Ms. Moore said about the privacy.

10:53:33 So I just wanted that clarification because I heard two

10:53:37 different things.

10:53:38 » Can I jump in here?

10:53:39 Can I have a turn here?

10:53:41 Is that possible?

10:53:42 » Yeah.

10:53:43 Go ahead, Ms. McDougal.

10:53:46 » I’m wondering if – you know, teachers – oftentimes,

10:53:49 teachers know when a student

10:53:51 is not feeling well right away, and so that student goes to the

10:53:54 office, and let’s say

10:53:55 they come back and they have a fever.

10:53:58 At that point, wouldn’t it make sense that maybe we check more

10:54:02 students in that classroom

10:54:04 as they – as a way to maybe do it?

10:54:10 And I like the idea of – and I don’t know if it’s possible –

10:54:14 random, you know, okay,

10:54:16 so Mondays we do this classroom, and Tuesdays we do this

10:54:19 classroom.

10:54:20 But if there’s somebody who is showing symptoms, would it be

10:54:26 feasible or okay to check everyone

10:54:29 in that class?

10:54:30 I’m just asking, just some way to have a check, because I don’t

10:54:35 think it’s a bad idea.

10:54:37 I just – logistically, I think is where we’re struggling at

10:54:44 this point.

10:54:45 I would – my recommendation would be that if a teacher wants a

10:54:48 thermometer check, to

10:54:50 check the children coming into their class, that we make that as

10:54:52 one of the – that they

10:54:53 should not have to pay for it.

10:54:55 That would be my recommendation, and I would try to check that

10:54:57 out.

10:54:58 I would also remind everybody that’s in here that at arrival,

10:55:03 dismissal, cafeteria, sports,

10:55:05 these kids are all together, and although we can try to, you

10:55:10 know, socially distance

10:55:12 and keep them three feet apart and everything else, there’s

10:55:15 going to be more places than

10:55:17 just the classroom where these kids are together.

10:55:19 And I think that just because we’re able to make sure that they’re

10:55:23 socially distanced

10:55:24 in the classroom, it’s going to be even harder to do that

10:55:27 outside of there.

10:55:28 So creating some sort of check system before they get in is good,

10:55:31 that’s all.

10:55:32 Because once that argument comes in of who they were in contact

10:55:36 for, for more than 15

10:55:38 minutes, when you start talking about cafeterias, you start

10:55:41 talking about sports, you start

10:55:42 talking about things, you start shutting down whole areas like

10:55:46 that too.

10:55:47 So that’s all.

10:55:49 Thank you.

10:55:50 » Is that clear as mud for you, Dr. Mullen?

10:55:55 » Yeah, I’m going to need a lot more help, I’m sorry.

10:56:01 » So I will say that I’m not sure that we can move forward on

10:56:04 an enormous amount of

10:56:05 clarity on this issue until we get some information from Paul

10:56:09 that Chris had requested on the

10:56:12 privacy and the legality of doing that.

10:56:15 I think we’re probably going to need that information.

10:56:19 For me personally, big fan of doing whatever we can to limit

10:56:24 contact and exposure and risk

10:56:26 for our team members, right.

10:56:29 So my preference would be that if we have teachers who would

10:56:34 like to be able to take

10:56:35 temperatures on their kids, that we support them in doing that

10:56:40 provided that one, it’s

10:56:41 not violating anything.

10:56:44 Two, that they commit to privacy for that student and not, you

10:56:50 know, pulling him aside

10:56:52 right in front of everyone and calling him out and that sort of

10:56:55 thing.

10:56:55 You know, there would have to be some communication of

10:56:58 expectations there if we were going to

10:57:00 open that door, if Mr. Gibbs felt like it was an appropriate

10:57:05 thing to do.

10:57:06 But I don’t know that we necessarily go out and buy enough thermometers

10:57:10 for all teachers.

10:57:12 I would say, you know, maybe let’s wait and see what the

10:57:15 response is and have the teachers

10:57:18 understand that it may be a little while before they get their

10:57:19 thermometer depending on how

10:57:20 many want them.

10:57:21 I think that might be our better way.

10:57:23 » So I’ll make a suggestion and the board, if you would, let me

10:57:27 know if this is acceptable.

10:57:29 What I’m hearing is there seems to be board, some board

10:57:34 consensus on voluntary teachers

10:57:37 being provided a thermometer to do temperature checks in their

10:57:41 classroom, assuming we can

10:57:43 meet all privacy and legal implications of that practice.

10:57:51 I will work with Mr. Gibbs and see if we can’t get that

10:57:55 clarification for Tuesday.

10:57:57 We will hold off on the purchase of any additional thermometers

10:58:00 at least until Tuesday, but we

10:58:02 can get our procurement department ready to do something in the

10:58:05 event that the board gives

10:58:06 us a go on Tuesday, assuming all of the implications, the legal

10:58:10 implications, et cetera, are in

10:58:12 place.

10:58:13 Does that seem to represent where the board is at this time?

10:58:19 » Yeah.

10:58:21 But the part of it with the teachers is just part of the, we

10:58:24 need to develop something

10:58:25 stronger.

10:58:30 Whether it’s teachers testing them right at the gate when they’re

10:58:33 coming into their classroom

10:58:34 or whether it’s a school that might figure out, hey, we can do

10:58:37 this.

10:58:38 We can test every kid that comes in.

10:58:40 I just wanted a stronger plan, and if that plan requires more

10:58:44 testing, you know, guns,

10:58:47 then I would love to be able to provide that to them.

10:58:50 So if that’s a school where the teacher says, yes, I want one,

10:58:52 they should get one.

10:58:53 If a school says, hey, if we get 10 more, then we could test

10:58:56 everybody on the campus

10:58:58 because we figured this out because we have all the duties the

10:59:00 teachers do in the morning

10:59:01 already that are supposed to monitor and supposed to do all that

10:59:04 stuff.

10:59:04 If you deployed them into certain areas, you probably could get

10:59:07 them to be tested coming

10:59:08 in.

10:59:09 So if there’s a plan out there that a school has that they can

10:59:11 test them all coming in,

10:59:12 man, that would be amazing.

10:59:14 And if we could deploy the tests to them to do that, that’s

10:59:18 great.

10:59:18 Or if the teachers want them, I just think we need a better

10:59:21 barrier.

10:59:21 That’s all.

10:59:23 » I don’t think we’ve ever suggested that schools couldn’t

10:59:29 develop a plan to do enhanced

10:59:32 thermometer checks or temperature checks.

10:59:34 » And if they need more, we give it to them.

10:59:36 » If they need more, we can certainly, you know, particularly

10:59:40 because they are FEMA qualifying,

10:59:43 you know, that makes it much more affordable.

10:59:45 So we will be prepared to do that.

10:59:48 » And these would be covered if they were to go buy them on

10:59:51 their own with their lead

10:59:53 money that they have for the classroom, that 250?

10:59:57 » I don’t.

10:59:58 » If they went out and bought one, could they get reimbursed

11:00:01 for it?

11:00:11 » I think that’s something we have to check with Mrs. Lisinski

11:00:11 on for that answer regarding

11:00:16 the teacher lead money and how that’s used.

11:00:18 » And if other districts are already testing kids and that’s

11:00:21 part of their plan, then the

11:00:22 legality of it is probably allowing us to do this.

11:00:32 » Was my summary acceptable?

11:00:33 » Sounds great.

11:00:36 » Any other board member have concerns with the summary put

11:00:38 forward?

11:00:39 All right.

11:00:40 Moving on to masks.

11:00:41 Who wants to start?

11:00:42 » You made a recommendation for strongly advised.

11:00:55 » Expected.

11:00:57 I support it.

11:01:01 » What’s – what was – I mean, I have the American Academy of

11:01:09 Pediatrics page up in

11:01:11 school guidelines.

11:01:13 I wholeheartedly agree with that whole page.

11:01:16 What are you all proposing as far as language or otherwise Ms.

11:01:19 Belford came up with some

11:01:21 language?

11:01:22 Is that a language you like?

11:01:23 You want something different?

11:01:24 » If you look on slide 28, our in-school guidelines for face

11:01:33 coverings is on page 28.

11:01:37 So the committees or the task force recommendation is all

11:01:40 members of the school community are

11:01:42 strongly recommended to wear a face covering.

11:01:45 Standard rules apply on school appropriateness.

11:01:47 Mask should cover the nose, mouth and not the full face.

11:01:50 And then there are additional criteria over on the right.

11:01:55 Which includes the expectation for buses.

11:01:58 » I am in favor of it as it reads I would not be in favor of a

11:02:05 kind of mandate that

11:02:08 would cause discipline for students to take it off for a moment.

11:02:16 Or I strongly encourage the community also to wear one.

11:02:22 But I like the way the wording is as it is.

11:02:25 I could go along with expected but again it’s kind of like some

11:02:34 of the ones that are in

11:02:35 the community.

11:02:36 There’s no teeth in it.

11:02:37 But we just want to encourage as strongly as possible people to

11:02:39 do it.

11:02:40 I can go along with that.

11:02:46 » So the proposal is just to change the words all members of

11:02:49 the school community are strongly

11:02:51 recommended to all members of the community are expected to wear

11:02:57 a face covering?

11:02:59 » Understanding that we’re going to have to use common sense

11:03:02 where we have kids that

11:03:02 have sensory issues and people who can’t breathe.

11:03:07 But I think the expectation – » I’m okay with – I don’t think

11:03:14 the word

11:03:15 bothers me.

11:03:16 I went back and have been reading this over and over the

11:03:19 American academy of pediatrics

11:03:21 and that last paragraph if not developmentally feasible – I’m

11:03:26 thinking about kindergarten

11:03:29 a lot and VPK.

11:03:32 You all have kids, four, five years old.

11:03:36 Yes they can wear a mask but it specifically says in here if

11:03:38 they’re touching their face

11:03:39 more than they would otherwise because the mask is on and every

11:03:43 four-year-old I’ve been

11:03:45 around that’s pretty much what’s going on.

11:03:52 Are we expecting four-year-olds?

11:03:53 Is it a high expectation that every four-year-old in that –

11:03:57 what does that language play out

11:03:59 like is my question in the classroom.

11:04:01 We can say that’s the language but now we’ve got a VPK teacher

11:04:05 standing there with 12 four-year-olds

11:04:08 who are like ping, ping, ping.

11:04:11 She’s like they’re expected to keep it on.

11:04:14 What does this look like for our teachers?

11:04:18 » I’m going to back up.

11:04:19 I’m sorry.

11:04:20 It’s my prerogative.

11:04:21 It changed my mind.

11:04:22 I’m actually going to back up because there is that.

11:04:26 It’s kind of like the cities who are saying it’s mandatory to

11:04:28 wear a mask but you can’t

11:04:30 get fined and you can’t whatever.

11:04:32 They’re saying to the community we really, really, really,

11:04:35 really, really want you to

11:04:36 wear a mask but we can’t make you.

11:04:40 And honestly that’s kind of how I feel.

11:04:43 I really, really want to say wear a mask, wear a mask but we’re

11:04:47 not going to make you.

11:04:49 And staff, students, both because I just – I just can’t get

11:04:53 beyond the fact that even if

11:04:56 we say expect, there’s going to be that discipline factor that’s

11:05:00 going to come in.

11:05:01 You don’t have your mask on or whatever.

11:05:07 This points to other kids and then the little kids and I just,

11:05:11 you know, that is about as

11:05:13 far as I can go.

11:05:14 And I think you guys have done a lot of work around this and you’ve

11:05:18 taken into consideration

11:05:19 parent input.

11:05:20 And for the people who are emailing me all day today, actually I’ve

11:05:23 had from both sides,

11:05:24 I’ll check on the breaks, you know, people saying don’t mandate

11:05:27 them, people saying mandate

11:05:29 them.

11:05:30 Everybody needs to realize that everybody doesn’t think like

11:05:33 everybody else.

11:05:34 So I just – we’re going to – this is – the way you guys have

11:05:38 worded it I think is great.

11:05:41 And here and then we, you know, we’re developing videos, we’re

11:05:45 going to tell people the benefits

11:05:47 of that.

11:05:48 We’re going to give them options, you know, they can express

11:05:51 their style, you know, in

11:05:53 their mask.

11:05:54 We can have our leadership, you know, I don’t have a problem

11:05:56 when I go visit a school having

11:05:57 a mask on to set a good example and all of that.

11:06:01 I just – yeah.

11:06:04 » Ms. McDougall.

11:06:07 » I think people understand how I feel.

11:06:11 I think science has really talked about the – it mitigates the

11:06:17 spread of the virus.

11:06:19 It protects each other.

11:06:22 And you’re absolutely right.

11:06:23 I would never expect a pre-K or a kindergarten child to be able

11:06:27 to wear a mask and they don’t

11:06:29 particularly recommend that.

11:06:34 And I am concerned.

11:06:35 I just think that what Ms. Campbell is saying, she’s right, she

11:06:41 says we have people on both

11:06:43 sides of the issue, but again, I still feel that we need to be

11:06:49 stronger on it.

11:06:51 And I don’t see students getting punished for it, that that

11:06:55 should not be a discipline

11:06:56 issue.

11:06:57 I know there’s something quite wrong.

11:06:59 But anyhow, I really feel that we should be stronger on the

11:07:04 issue.

11:07:05 And science supports that.

11:07:07 And like I said, other countries can seem to do it, but for

11:07:11 whatever reason, people

11:07:13 feel that they can’t do it here in Brevard.

11:07:18 » I would not suggest discipline for mask wearing, but I, you

11:07:22 know, I do think that

11:07:23 Expect is a little bit stronger than strongly recommend.

11:07:30 So I would continue to suggest that we move in that direction

11:07:36 just to ensure, I mean,

11:07:39 we’re putting people in less than ideal situations and, you know,

11:07:43 I think we have a responsibility

11:07:45 to do what we can to protect them as much as possible.

11:07:50 » If I could, two comments, I just sent you guys an email that

11:07:55 lists the full text from

11:07:56 the AAP.

11:07:59 In the presentation, it’s linked, but they do grade band

11:08:02 recommendations, so given the

11:08:03 discussions you were having, might want to take a look at that

11:08:09 prior to Tuesday.

11:08:11 The one thing that I think we have to consider with the word

11:08:17 Expect is then a parent is going

11:08:20 to trust that word Expect that the teachers are wearing masks.

11:08:25 And so I just wanted to make sure that that’s an intended

11:08:30 outcome.

11:08:31 We honestly are absolutely willing to support whatever the

11:08:34 wishes of the boards are.

11:08:35 We’ve got our pens, we’re typing changes as we’re speaking.

11:08:39 I just felt that was worth clarification, did you intend for

11:08:42 that, because when we put

11:08:43 the word Expect that, that’s empowering students and parents and

11:08:48 teachers that we expect that,

11:08:52 and as differently and passionately as parents feel, our

11:08:57 teachers feel as differently and

11:09:00 passionately as well.

11:09:02 And again, honestly, honestly right now you could tell us

11:09:06 anything and we’d be like sure,

11:09:08 but separately on this topic, you know, we came into this

11:09:13 absolutely giving our best

11:09:16 recommendations supporting whatever the board feels is best

11:09:18 interest of the district.

11:09:19 So I just wanted to throw that out there because they didn’t

11:09:23 want any unintended consequences

11:09:24 of us making decisions at 8 o’clock at night.

11:09:27 Sorry, Dr. Holmes.

11:09:29 » No, I was exactly going at the same place.

11:09:31 I wanted to make you aware of that additional language.

11:09:34 But I do appreciate the clarification, I hadn’t thought of that,

11:09:37 that if the language of expectation

11:09:39 would raise the bar for employees.

11:09:43 » I did.

11:09:47 » He agreed with the expects, right?

11:09:59 » I think we should consider the, I clicked on your link there,

11:10:08 and it definitely says

11:10:11 pre-kindergarten, right, face coverings for children in pre-K

11:10:17 may be difficult to implement.

11:10:21 So we’re saying with this blanket statement that we are

11:10:25 expecting 4-year-olds to mask

11:10:27 up and keep them on.

11:10:30 » Because our pre-K teachers are also classroom teachers.

11:10:33 » Of course, they’re classroom teachers.

11:10:35 » You want to plug that one in there?

11:10:36 » But there’s just a huge difference between a 4-year-old and a

11:10:38 17-year-old.

11:10:39 » My 4-year-old, this morning, I sat there and I asked Matthew,

11:10:42 I said, I said, are you

11:10:43 going to be able to wear a mask all day in class, and he sat

11:10:46 there and he goes, yeah,

11:10:47 dad, I can do that because that keeps me safe.

11:10:51 And then, I’m not kidding you, 7, 10 minutes later, he comes

11:10:54 back, he says, I can’t do

11:10:55 that because it doesn’t fit right on my face, and I thought

11:10:58 about it, dad, and I’m just

11:10:59 not going to do that.

11:11:00 So that’s the mentality, like, back and forth, I don’t like this

11:11:03 thing, he’ll be wearing

11:11:04 it on his ear, he’ll go lick one of the chairs, I mean, that’s

11:11:07 my 4-year-old.

11:11:08 » It becomes more hazardous, is what I’m saying, is because

11:11:11 they are, they’re touching

11:11:12 it, they’re pulling it, they’re –

11:11:13 » But we can strongly recommend it.

11:11:15 » It just –

11:11:16 » Well, and then if you have the situation of a teacher who

11:11:19 needs to take it off to communicate,

11:11:20 for example, especially in a preschool class, or in a choir

11:11:24 class, or whatever, I mean,

11:11:25 if we’re – that’s why not mandating, because if you say mandate,

11:11:28 you say expect, then it’s

11:11:29 going to expect not only will you wear it, but you’ll wear it

11:11:31 all day, except for when

11:11:32 you’re eating, or drinking, or whatever.

11:11:36 You know.

11:11:37 » Yeah, but –

11:11:38 » Yeah, face, shield, or mouth.

11:11:43 » And my thought is, whatever word you land on, know that we’ll

11:11:46 finesse the language to

11:11:47 make it work.

11:11:48 And we recommend works as a general statement.

11:11:51 Expect would need more language wrapped around it to cover the

11:11:55 concerns that you have.

11:11:56 But whichever word you land on, we’ve heard your concerns, and

11:12:00 we would wordsmith those

11:12:02 in there.

11:12:03 » Right, and I think you’ve heard from all five of us, we don’t

11:12:05 want discipline involved

11:12:06 in –

11:12:07 » Yeah, absolutely.

11:12:08 » – the masks.

11:12:09 » Yeah.

11:12:10 » I think we probably need to take a look at the information

11:12:16 that Dr. Sullivan sent.

11:12:20 And I mean, I think you basically know where our sentiment is,

11:12:23 and perhaps we can come

11:12:24 back and have additional discussion on Tuesday with specifics.

11:12:28 Is that okay for you guys?

11:12:31 » If it’s okay with the board, we’re going to leave the

11:12:33 language as it is, since we’re

11:12:34 not being given direction otherwise, but anticipate that there

11:12:39 may be further discussion on Tuesday

11:12:42 at the board meeting before a final decision is made.

11:12:45 Is that acceptable?

11:12:47 » Any board members opposed to that?

11:12:48 Sounds good.

11:12:49 » Okay.

11:12:50 Thank you.

11:12:51 » All right.

11:12:52 That brings us to volunteers.

11:12:53 Tina, I think that was yours.

11:12:56 » Yeah, is anybody interested in creating a special class of

11:13:05 volunteers, or am I out

11:13:08 on a limb?

11:13:09 » No.

11:13:10 I want to hear it.

11:13:11 Let’s hear it.

11:13:12 » I’ve already laid it out a little earlier.

11:13:13 I just feel like we have – every school seems to have one or

11:13:16 two that are part of the team.

11:13:18 And you know, maybe – I think I discussed it maybe with Dr.

11:13:21 Mullins at some point over

11:13:22 the last few days, and maybe it is we take it nine weeks by nine

11:13:27 weeks, but I think some

11:13:28 of these volunteers are vital to the functioning of our school,

11:13:32 and they’re an extra set of

11:13:33 hands that are reliable and responsible.

11:13:35 Just because they’re not getting a paycheck doesn’t mean that

11:13:38 their work sometimes isn’t

11:13:40 just as valuable.

11:13:41 Because they’re not paying them, we’re kicking them out of

11:13:44 campus.

11:13:44 » Right.

11:13:45 We’ve got volunteers who put hundreds and hundreds of hours in

11:13:47 every year.

11:13:47 » And do real work.

11:13:49 They’re not just – they’re shaking hands and –

11:13:51 » Right, there’s some schools that don’t do any of their laminating.

11:13:55 No staff does any laminating.

11:13:56 Only volunteers do that.

11:13:58 And which has got to be done.

11:13:59 It’s hours of work.

11:14:00 The thing that I keep coming back to when we were talking about

11:14:01 that is, you know, we

11:14:02 just said, you know, we haven’t passed our budget yet, but one

11:14:04 of the recommended cuts

11:14:05 is our media assistance.

11:14:08 And one of the things that, you know, came to my mind as we were

11:14:10 going through that process

11:14:11 is schools would have to develop, like the smaller schools that

11:14:14 don’t have media assistance,

11:14:16 volunteer corps who could come in.

11:14:17 And I know media centers are going to be completely different

11:14:20 this year than what they have ever

11:14:21 been before.

11:14:22 But, you know, we’ve just said, okay, now you’re – if your

11:14:26 media assistant leaves during

11:14:28 the year to take another position because they won’t be funded

11:14:32 next year, then you don’t

11:14:33 get one for the rest of the year, right?

11:14:35 You’re on your own.

11:14:37 And so – but now they don’t have volunteers to make that work.

11:14:40 So I don’t know about a special class.

11:14:43 I guess at the very least I would request that that would be

11:14:46 some of the first people

11:14:47 that we let back in as we work our plan and it’s flexible and we

11:14:51 tweak it, whatever, that

11:14:53 that, you know, volunteers, not parents come in and eat lunch,

11:14:56 but are people who are working

11:14:57 and just very essential to the functioning of our schools, that

11:15:01 we find a way to work

11:15:03 them back in as quickly as possible.

11:15:04 And I don’t have a problem with asking our volunteers to do a

11:15:09 screening, to wear a mask,

11:15:11 because they’re not a part of our school body, wow, it’s 8 o’clock.

11:15:18 So – but I – if we can – that – like I said, at the very

11:15:20 least, I’d say how – let’s

11:15:22 find a way to quickly work them back in as the – depending on

11:15:26 how things go.

11:15:28 » Some of the discussion I had with Ms. Deskevich was I – we

11:15:32 could certainly do that.

11:15:34 I think the plan is malleable enough that we can, you know,

11:15:41 periodically reconsider

11:15:43 making adjustments along the way.

11:15:46 I think we may be surprised at how adaptive our volunteers who

11:15:51 really want to be committed

11:15:53 to help our schools can still provide support and assistance,

11:15:58 even not on campus.

11:16:00 So I’m not the most creative person, so I’m not going to try and

11:16:03 pretend what that could

11:16:04 look like, but we’ve seen it happen with other entities.

11:16:08 I think Junior Achievement was recognized earlier for adapting

11:16:14 to the current environment.

11:16:17 For board consideration, if we identify a certain kind of

11:16:23 volunteer, it does put our

11:16:26 principals in a rather unenviable position to say to one

11:16:30 volunteer, “You may come in

11:16:32 and another volunteer, you may not,” I would propose that we

11:16:35 need to not put our principals

11:16:37 in that position, particularly given all of the other variables

11:16:40 they’re going to be dealing

11:16:41 with going into this year.

11:16:45 So that would be my additional request for consideration.

11:16:50 » What if there was some type of allocation each school gets?

11:16:55 I’m thinking about my very specific middle school who doesn’t

11:16:58 have a media assistant

11:16:59 right now because she’s not coming back, and now it’s just the

11:17:03 media specialist.

11:17:04 It’s exactly what you just said, and now her volunteer – so she

11:17:08 runs a great, great program,

11:17:10 and she had her media assistant and a full-time volunteer, and

11:17:14 she’s losing both.

11:17:15 So is there a way to say “just” in those circumstances, or is

11:17:19 there a way we can hire her as a substitute

11:17:22 media assistant and not pay her?

11:17:25 Is there a workaround so that the principal’s not put in the

11:17:29 position where you’re a special

11:17:31 volunteer and you’re not?

11:17:33 » There’s certainly that consideration.

11:17:36 I feel Chris Moore in my ear.

11:17:39 And that is – » I’m way over here.

11:17:41 » I think Ms. Kline is moving around in her seat more than –

11:17:44 » I just – I think for consideration, for the board’s

11:17:49 awareness, if the volunteer is

11:17:51 on our campus and happens to test positive for COVID, then our

11:17:56 schools could be impacted

11:17:58 because of the volunteer’s presence, in addition to the others.

11:18:02 » Can I speak real fast?

11:18:04 I think the affirmative is that we want to put people inside,

11:18:07 and the dissenting piece

11:18:08 is we don’t want them to impact our students, right?

11:18:12 We don’t want them to look at our students and say – and impact

11:18:15 them because that’s

11:18:16 the key.

11:18:17 What if we set a set of guidelines for the volunteer to

11:18:21 volunteer but not have contact

11:18:23 with the students?

11:18:24 Because a lot of the volunteering is putting together the copies

11:18:28 and preparing the stuff

11:18:29 and working inside, like you said, the media center.

11:18:34 What if they didn’t have contact?

11:18:36 What if the plan was that they could volunteer but not have

11:18:39 contact but stay on the school?

11:18:41 And instead of creating a separate classification for volunteers,

11:18:46 you ask them to become substitutes

11:18:49 because we’re going to need a huge pool of substitutes.

11:18:52 And in my mind, when I’m looking at this, the substitute is

11:18:55 actually supporting the

11:18:56 class the same way.

11:18:58 We’re about to put all of those substitutes that come in through

11:19:02 the same things that

11:19:03 we’re going to do, take COVID testing, whatever those things are.

11:19:07 I don’t see a problem with allowing them to become part of the

11:19:10 substitute pool and acting

11:19:12 as support, not with kids inside the classroom, but offering

11:19:16 opportunities outside, inside

11:19:19 the media center and stuff like that.

11:19:20 What about that as a thought?

11:19:25 I don’t know.

11:19:26 I just thought about it.

11:19:27 11 hours strong and still got some stuff.

11:19:29 What do you think?

11:19:30 She’s getting a climb.

11:19:31 Why are you looking at me like that?

11:19:34 We would request direction from the board.

11:19:37 I would suggest the committee has made the recommendation, if

11:19:40 the board is directing

11:19:41 us otherwise, we will move forward appropriately.

11:19:44 The sky has input.

11:19:46 This is Cheryl.

11:19:50 Dr. Mullen’s idea about how creative our volunteers are.

11:19:57 I do believe they are.

11:19:59 I’m going to give you an example.

11:20:01 When we shut down in March, I know that some of the rolling

11:20:05 readers videotaped and recorded

11:20:07 their stories and sent it to the teachers and the teachers

11:20:11 played it for the students.

11:20:12 There are ways to be creative without having contact with our

11:20:18 staff.

11:20:19 Right now, the numbers are going up.

11:20:22 They’re not going down.

11:20:23 At this point in time, to bring in people who, yes, they’re

11:20:29 vital.

11:20:30 They do play a vital role and I get it.

11:20:34 But at the same time, I rather have us be flexible and reevaluate

11:20:39 this at this point

11:20:41 in time.

11:20:42 I really think that we need to – we have so much going on with

11:20:46 what we’re trying to

11:20:47 do for our staff at this point and keep our students safe that

11:20:51 to bring in an unknown

11:20:52 is, I think, a little bit risky.

11:20:57 Okay.

11:21:00 So I’m on board with you.

11:21:03 I think our reopening plan needs to be the same as what you have

11:21:06 it written, but my request

11:21:07 would just be that as soon as we can, that that’s the first

11:21:11 group of people that we open

11:21:13 the doors to.

11:21:14 On our reopening plan, all of it at the bottom says these

11:21:19 guidelines may change at any moment

11:21:22 of time before we leave today, we could get a new directive.

11:21:28 So we are – everything we’re doing is flexible and this was

11:21:35 really, really a hard point in

11:21:39 our decision making because we know the value of our volunteers.

11:21:45 I’ve been on the phone with rolling readers probably four times

11:21:49 this summer working out

11:21:51 plans on which way they can continue to support our schools

11:21:57 through a virtual platform because

11:22:00 not only do they not want to put our staff at risk, they don’t

11:22:04 want to be at risk themselves.

11:22:06 So I think we’re looking at safety for all when we do this at

11:22:12 this point in time.

11:22:14 Just to summarize, I believe the board is supporting the current

11:22:33 direction of the recommendation

11:22:35 that’s printed and continue to reevaluate and look for an

11:22:40 opportunity to open access

11:22:42 to our volunteers.

11:22:43 Does that include PTOs, PTAs?

11:22:46 Okay.

11:22:47 Just checking.

11:22:48 » They could still hold virtual meetings.

11:22:51 » Yeah.

11:22:52 » They can be off-site.

11:22:53 I mean, we used to meet in local places sometimes just for a

11:22:57 change of scenery.

11:22:58 » Does any board member have opposition to the summary that Dr.

11:23:02 Mullen put forward on

11:23:03 that particular issue?

11:23:04 » No.

11:23:06 » All right.

11:23:07 Then we are moving on to swing sets.

11:23:08 » Can I ask, do we normally clean outdoor playground equipment

11:23:13 ever?

11:23:14 No?

11:23:15 » No.

11:23:16 » Okay.

11:23:17 Wait.

11:23:18 What, Cheryl?

11:23:19 » I doubt it.

11:23:20 I would be so surprised if we ever cleaned outdoor equipment.

11:23:22 » Okay.

11:23:23 Well, you can’t see Sushi shaking her head no.

11:23:26 I mean, it’s outdoors exposed in the sun.

11:23:28 I doubt unless somebody like, sorry, threw up on one or whatever,

11:23:31 we probably wouldn’t.

11:23:33 » We do clean them after vomit, bodily – » But on a yearly

11:23:40 regular basis, outdoor playground

11:23:42 equipment is – » It gets pressure washed usually twice a

11:23:45 year.

11:23:46 » Okay.

11:23:47 » Yeah.

11:23:48 We’ve never had the handy dandry steamer, though, that kills germs

11:23:50 on –

11:23:50 » I think that’s an Endor.

11:23:51 » I don’t know.

11:23:52 What’s the name of Endor?

11:23:53 » What’s the term for that thing?

11:23:54 It’s swifter?

11:23:55 » No.

11:23:56 I have a swifter at home.

11:23:57 » Spritzer.

11:23:58 » A mister.

11:23:59 » Honestly, I can’t remember at this moment in time.

11:24:01 » She said it looked like R2D2.

11:24:03 » Yes.

11:24:04 » It’s getting late.

11:24:05 » What are you doing?

11:24:07 » Nothing.

11:24:08 I mean, if you’re wrapping up the whole party, you might as well

11:24:14 wrap up the swings, too.

11:24:17 » We will definitely reevaluate.

11:24:18 » I know.

11:24:19 We heard that a few minutes ago.

11:24:24 » I mean, we can’t keep kids from touching things that other

11:24:26 kids have touched.

11:24:27 Just reality.

11:24:28 We were going to play soccer – okay, well, you’re not supposed

11:24:31 to touch the ball.

11:24:32 Sorry.

11:24:33 But at some point – soccer would be a great sport for everybody

11:24:36 to do because you can’t

11:24:37 touch the ball with your hands.

11:24:39 But at some point, somebody’s going to touch something that

11:24:42 somebody else touched, which

11:24:42 is why we’re washing our hands frequently, we’re using hand sanitizer.

11:24:47 So we can’t keep them from – you know, we just can’t bubble

11:24:51 wrap them, but, you know,

11:24:53 so –

11:24:54 » The swings seem so harmless to me.

11:24:56 They’re not climbing on top of each other.

11:24:57 They’re not sliding down a slide that one just touched all the

11:25:00 way down.

11:25:00 » If they can sit in a bathroom –

11:25:01 » Whatever your direction is, we will make it happen.

11:25:04 » If they sit in a bathroom seat, how can they not sit in a

11:25:08 swing seat?

11:25:09 » Is there any – Ms. McDougall, anybody else have input on

11:25:16 swings?

11:25:17 » I will share my thoughts if you all want.

11:25:25 We’ve talked repeatedly about how robust this plan is and how

11:25:29 many moving parts we have

11:25:30 and how things are changing every single day with the

11:25:34 expectations for our team.

11:25:37 And I want kids to play on the playground as much as the next

11:25:41 person.

11:25:42 We are really, really asking a lot of our people.

11:25:46 And I feel like the more that we can phase into things as

11:25:52 opposed to throwing all these

11:25:55 enormous expectations all at one time, you know, if they don’t

11:26:00 have to worry about getting

11:26:01 someone out there to sanitize the playground or if they can just

11:26:05 gate off the playground

11:26:07 and not have to worry about supervising in that area or – I

11:26:13 just feel like we really

11:26:14 need to be looking for opportunities to minimize challenges

11:26:19 until everybody can get a stride.

11:26:21 And then I think we can revisit a lot of things, but –

11:26:24 » I just think it is already a great challenge to send kids out

11:26:29 to recess and have very little

11:26:32 to do.

11:26:34 » And I think we’re all picturing a school that we’re most

11:26:37 familiar with.

11:26:38 I keep picturing Indy Atlantic, which the playground that you’re

11:26:41 going to gate off is

11:26:42 separate from the swings, which is all the way on the back field

11:26:44 where the kids are going

11:26:45 to be running around.

11:26:46 So visually I’m thinking just leave the swings alone.

11:26:48 I don’t even know how you’re going to gate them off because they’re

11:26:51 just over there.

11:26:51 But maybe Miss Belford, you’re picturing a school where it’s all

11:26:54 together and you lock

11:26:55 the gate and it’s done.

11:26:56 So look, at this point, I’m not going to fight for an Indy

11:27:01 Atlantic swing, but I sure wish

11:27:04 our kids have the opportunity to have stuff to play with out

11:27:08 there.

11:27:09 I just think I’m going to see teachers out there more trying to

11:27:12 block the swings and

11:27:13 tell kids to get off of them because they’re not in a place that’s

11:27:16 gated, then it’s going

11:27:17 to be worth trying to keep –

11:27:20 » I wonder if we could unhook the swings.

11:27:23 If we’re worried about that, I wonder if we could unhook them.

11:27:29 » Or just flip them around 20 times so they’re stuck up.

11:27:37 » You guys have done so much work, and I’m willing to – my

11:27:42 thoughts on this are the

11:27:43 same as the volunteers.

11:27:44 Let’s go with a plan as written on this, including swing sets in

11:27:48 place and play ground equipment.

11:27:49 But, again, as things change, once we evaluate things, and you

11:27:53 said every school is a little

11:27:54 bit different, that’s one of the things that we move to open

11:27:59 when we can, we feel like

11:28:01 we can.

11:28:02 » Is anybody opposed to that plan moving forward?

11:28:08 » Just to confirm, we’re going to leave as is and continue to

11:28:11 evaluate, re-evaluate and

11:28:12 see if there’s opportunity to expand or increase things, which

11:28:17 could happen next week or two

11:28:19 weeks or –

11:28:20 » Tonight.

11:28:22 » Some weeks from now.

11:28:26 » Or maybe the H word comes and blows COVID away from us far,

11:28:31 far away.

11:28:32 » That’s not making us feel any better.

11:28:33 » And for those of you who just joined us, the H word is not a

11:28:36 bad word.

11:28:36 It’s a large circling storm.

11:28:38 Sorry.

11:28:39 I don’t guess.

11:28:40 So let me just make sure we’re all good.

11:28:45 » Are you comfortable with the consensus direction?

11:28:49 » Yes.

11:28:50 Thank you.

11:28:51 » Excellent.

11:28:52 » If I may just take a couple minutes and just –

11:28:55 [ Laughter ]

11:29:01 » We’re almost to 12 hours.

11:29:05 I think you understand how much work went into the committee

11:29:11 because the 11-some hours

11:29:14 of deliberation that it took to work through it is just a

11:29:17 fraction of what the team put

11:29:19 into getting to the place that they presented something to you.

11:29:23 And the same debate and consternation and back and forth and our

11:29:27 – I think the white

11:29:29 board back in the conference room has been marked up and erased

11:29:34 and everything else dozens

11:29:36 of times.

11:29:37 I say all of that because I haven’t had a chance to express my

11:29:42 appreciation publicly

11:29:44 today, anyway, for the work that our team has done in the most

11:29:48 historic unenviable circumstances

11:29:51 we have ever known in our generation.

11:29:55 I want to thank the board for your acknowledgment of the team

11:29:59 and their work.

11:30:00 They have been intentional.

11:30:02 They have been focused on every last detail, as I think you can

11:30:06 see.

11:30:07 They have been conscientious both to a quality learning

11:30:11 environment, but also the impact

11:30:13 of the decisions that they brought forward, all while being

11:30:16 flexible and upholding quality

11:30:18 learning as the benchmark of what we want for our kids.

11:30:22 So to these folks here, to everyone around the room who have

11:30:27 contributed, everyone has

11:30:30 contributed to this effort in addition to the extended task

11:30:34 force, Lieutenant Neal,

11:30:37 and others has just been remarkable.

11:30:40 And I couldn’t be more proud to serve as a superintendent with a

11:30:43 team like this around

11:30:45 me.

11:30:46 So thank you.

11:30:47 » Thank you, Dr. Mullins.

11:30:48 We absolutely appreciate the amazing work that your team has

11:30:50 done.

11:30:51 I would say that your team is fabulous, but they are partly

11:30:55 successful because of your

11:30:57 leadership and support of them as well.

11:30:59 So we appreciate your leadership through this difficult time as

11:31:02 well as the work of all

11:31:03 of the team members to get us to the recommendations that you

11:31:06 brought forward.

11:31:07 And thank you for hanging in there with us for almost 12 hours

11:31:11 today to work through

11:31:12 all of this.

11:31:13 And now I would like for you all to go home and get some rest,

11:31:16 and we will see you guys

11:31:18 on Tuesday.

11:31:19 Meeting adjourned.

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