Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL

2022-12-13 - School Board Work Session

0:00 (upbeat music)

0:30 (upbeat music continues)

5:27 (gavel bangs)

5:28 - Good afternoon, the December 13th work session

5:31 is now in order.

5:32 Paul, roll call, please.

5:33 - Mr. Season.

5:34 - Here.

5:35 - Ms. Wright.

5:36 - Here.

5:37 - Mr. Trent.

5:37 - Here.

5:38 - Ms. Jenkins.

5:39 - Present.

5:40 - Ms. Campbell.

5:41 - Here.

5:42 - Please stand for the pledge.

5:47 - I pledge allegiance to the flag

5:50 of the United States of America

5:52 and to the Republic for which it stands,

5:54 one nation, under God, indivisible,

5:57 with liberty and justice for all.

6:02 - The first topic on today’s agenda

6:04 is Space Coast Junior Senior High School’s

6:06 additional construction management services.

6:08 Ms. Suhan, assistant of superintendent of facilities,

6:11 will be presenting.

6:12 Ms. Han.

6:13 - Good afternoon, everyone.

6:14 Thank you for the opportunity to walk you through

6:17 where we are with the Space Coast Junior Senior

6:20 High School track.

6:22 As you recall, the board approved

6:24 the construction management contract

6:26 for the resurfacing rubberization of the track in November.

6:29 However, there was an alternate option

6:33 that was noted on the agenda that was to widen the track

6:36 from six lanes to eight lanes.

6:39 And the board gave us an opportunity

6:41 to go ahead and explore that a little bit more

6:43 and provide some research to you

6:45 as to how we’ve progressed through the track capital program.

6:49 And so just very briefly, as I mentioned previously,

6:53 we have been working on renewal and rubberization

6:57 of all of our high school tracks

6:59 with the exceptions of West Shore and Edgewood

7:02 who don’t actually have functioning tracks.

7:05 So what I’m about to say applies to the other 14 tracks.

7:10 We have gone through the program on the theory

7:15 of renewal of the track assets that we have.

7:19 And then while we are doing that

7:21 as part of the sales surtax program,

7:23 also going in and rubberizing the tracks.

7:25 And so that was a big ask from our athletic directors

7:28 a couple of years ago,

7:29 and we were able to combine those two things

7:32 while we’re on site.

7:34 So we’ve gone through several projects already,

7:38 and I just wanna let you know,

7:40 we have eight that are finished,

7:42 three that are under contract, two that are under design,

7:46 and one satellite high school that was done back in 2017.

7:50 And that was done largely with community funding.

7:53 Some district funds were involved in that project.

7:56 And that’s really the case for most of these.

7:59 So as we have progressed through the track program,

8:02 the parameters around which we have done them is,

8:05 we, the district, will be renewing the track

8:09 and rubberizing the track.

8:11 We’ll do the interior curbing and exterior curbing

8:14 because those are aspects of the project

8:18 that will preserve the life of the track.

8:21 So from the perspective of the building of the track itself,

8:26 that’s what we have included.

8:28 But we’re basically putting back what is there.

8:32 So in the case of a couple of schools,

8:36 they went from seven to eight lanes via striping.

8:39 The footprint of the track was wide enough

8:41 to be able to do that.

8:43 Melbourne High School is the one exception.

8:45 They are constrained at six lanes.

8:48 We didn’t look at widening the Melbourne High School track

8:51 because they’re also constrained by the turf field

8:54 that they have and the grandstand bleachers

8:57 that they have.

8:58 And so there really was no physical way to do that

9:00 without a fairly significant project.

9:03 In the case of Space Coast Junior Senior High School,

9:06 they have six lanes.

9:08 And our normal protocol would have been

9:11 to just simply resurface what’s there

9:13 and then rubberize the six lanes that they have.

9:17 The width of the track was not sufficient

9:20 to give them any more lanes.

9:21 So they asked for an alternate to widen the track.

9:25 So we designed it so that it could be done.

9:28 And our construction manager gave us a price for it.

9:31 And that’s what we presented at the last board meeting

9:33 at 183,000 to do that work.

9:36 The unique aspect of the Space Coast track

9:39 is that the grandstand bleachers, coincidentally,

9:44 were failing at approximately the same time.

9:47 And so the grandstand bleachers are no longer in the way

9:51 because we had to tear them down.

9:53 So the opportunity to widen the track

9:55 at Space Coast Junior Senior High School

9:57 is present basically now.

9:59 And so the ability to do the widening is really now

10:06 if we are going to make that leap.

10:09 In terms of how we’ve treated other schools,

10:12 the way that we have framed this is that, as I said,

10:15 the district funds, the basic track renewal and rubberization

10:18 and the schools have been fundraising

10:20 for some of their additional track assets

10:23 that they’d like to have.

10:25 And those included field events.

10:26 So we did very few field events as part of the project

10:31 unless the school wanted to fund those.

10:34 And we had several schools

10:35 that did do a fairly significant amount of fundraising.

10:38 And certainly some of them to contribute resources

10:41 to doing the field events.

10:43 So in looking at our track inventory,

10:47 I believe that there are seven of them

10:49 that can actually host regional meets,

10:51 meaning they have the track,

10:53 they have correct number of lanes,

10:55 correct distance and all of that,

10:57 and they have the field events.

10:59 So that is not the case with all of our tracks.

11:01 So some of them have been improved

11:03 and are not slated for hosting regional meets.

11:06 Like O’Gally is probably an example of one of those.

11:10 So we’re kind of all over the board

11:11 with our track situation.

11:12 So what you have before you today

11:14 is a summary of what I’ve just said.

11:18 And there is $183,000 cost to widen the track

11:24 if we do that concurrently

11:26 with the rubberization and renewal contract.

11:29 So the board also asked me to take a look

11:31 at how we could fund the $183,000.

11:34 And so I took a look at our capital plan.

11:38 And we have a project in our capital plan

11:40 that relates to Myla Elementary School.

11:42 And we’ve been talking with the principal,

11:44 and this goes back a year or so,

11:46 probably a little bit more than a year,

11:48 about serving the ESE students better at Myla.

11:52 And the current building in which those students are served

11:56 really could use a significant upgrade

11:58 and potentially a replacement.

12:00 But we really have to take a look

12:02 at what is the best way to deal with that situation.

12:06 Is it constructing a new building?

12:08 Is it trying to do rehabilitation

12:11 and renovation of the existing building?

12:14 Our initial thinking was around probably a new building.

12:18 But we really need to do an RFQ process

12:21 to bring in an architect to take a look at that situation.

12:24 And we just hadn’t quite gotten around

12:26 to doing that part yet.

12:29 So in looking at the capital program,

12:31 I was pretty comfortable that we could proceed with the RFQ.

12:37 We could proceed with the initial phase

12:40 where we bring in an architect to do that analysis

12:42 of what is the best way to serve those students.

12:45 And then we backfill the remainder of the funding

12:49 in the fiscal year ‘24 capital plan.

12:52 So we actually have $250,000 that was slated,

12:56 100,000 from last year,

12:57 150,000 from this year’s capital plan for that project.

13:02 We could use a portion of those resources for the track.

13:05 And then when we do the FY24 capital plan,

13:08 we would simply request that money be replenished.

13:11 And at that time, we’d probably have a better idea

13:14 of exactly what project we would be doing,

13:15 what the scope would be.

13:17 So we’d have a better sense of what the design fees would be

13:20 and what the ultimate project would be

13:22 and whether that’s an impact fee type of project

13:25 or whether it’s a capital project

13:27 to serve those students better.

13:30 So that was the option I looked at

13:32 for potentially funding that widening of the track.

13:36 And so with that, I’ll be happy to entertain any questions.

13:39 If the board had, whatever the consensus of the board is,

13:42 if we choose to move forward,

13:44 then I would bring that as a formal change order request

13:48 at the January board meeting,

13:49 but the contractor is prepared to move ahead

13:51 if that’s the will of the board.

13:53 - Thank you, Sue.

13:54 So what Sue’s asking is do we,

13:56 first off, if there’s any discussion,

13:58 but then also if we can approve and give direction.

14:00 So are there any discussion?

14:02 Does anybody wanna talk about it?

14:03 - Can I ask Sue a question?

14:05 - Absolutely.

14:06 - Just to be clear on the Myla project,

14:09 the timeframe for that has not been established yet.

14:11 It sounds like you’re at the very beginning phases of that.

14:13 So we don’t, do you know what that project

14:15 is gonna potentially cost us?

14:18 - So yes, we’re at the very beginning stages.

14:21 No on what it potentially would cost.

14:24 A classroom addition for an elementary school,

14:28 five to 7 million, depending on what we would be,

14:31 what we would actually do for an addition.

14:34 The renovation’s probably about the same.

14:37 - Okay.

14:39 So right now, if I’m hearing you correctly,

14:41 it sounds like $250,000 is what’s been

14:44 kind of carved out for that project.

14:46 So we’re still a ways off from what we’re gonna need there.

14:49 - Right, and the intention was just to get started

14:52 because we really need to do a lot of work

14:54 on the scoping of the project.

14:55 We have a similar project at West Melbourne Elementary

14:57 where we’re not quite sure what the answer is,

15:01 but we know we need some additional student stations there.

15:05 So that’s how, we’re gonna pursue it very similarly

15:08 to what we’re doing at West Melbourne.

15:10 - Gotcha, okay.

15:13 - Ms. Campbell.

15:15 - So this is a unique situation.

15:18 I, you know, I have a few just hesitations

15:22 and then a suggestion.

15:23 You know, hesitation is, you know, we,

15:26 as much as we would like for every high school

15:28 to have the same facilities,

15:30 the fact is that they just don’t,

15:31 they weren’t all built at the same time,

15:32 they weren’t all built in the same,

15:34 each high school has a different footprint

15:38 on their property.

15:40 You know, and I, you know, it’s not lost on me

15:43 because I’ve had community reach out to me multiple times

15:46 about Mill High has zero field events facilities,

15:50 and then we look at our two, you know, Heritage and,

15:53 not Heritage, West Shore and Edgewood,

15:54 all they, although they don’t have tracks,

15:56 they do have track teams, correct?

15:59 So those are having to use other schools’ facilities.

16:02 Unfortunately, those two schools are closed by

16:04 other schools that they can use,

16:06 but it does create a potential problem.

16:10 My other hesitation is that, you know,

16:13 in the description on the second page,

16:16 it says the cost to widen the track is $183,000.

16:19 The school has indicated they’re not capable

16:21 of this level of fundraising.

16:22 I totally believe that because, you know,

16:25 Space Coast Junior Senior High is situated geographically

16:28 in a place where they’re not in a city.

16:32 You know, even some of our, you know,

16:33 COCO has been a high need school

16:35 that we’ve prioritized funding for

16:37 because of the percentage of free and reduced lunch

16:41 and all that, but COCO is very supported in their community

16:43 because they’re right in the middle of COCO,

16:46 and they have, you know, I know Ms. Jenkins

16:47 has shared with us before, you know,

16:49 community, county, even state and, you know,

16:51 international, but national recognition and help.

16:54 Space Coast Junior Senior High being in Port St. John,

16:56 it’s just not really, it’s not a city.

16:58 They don’t have the same kind of support

17:00 like a Viera or a COCO or a MEL or some things like that.

17:04 So I understand, but I do feel like,

17:06 because we have this process of fundraising,

17:08 that there should be some buy-in from the school,

17:13 even if it’s not this level.

17:14 So for our new board members, we have a process

17:17 that Ms. Han’s area oversees called the School Improvement,

17:23 no, I don’t know, what’s it called?

17:24 - The School Initiated Project Fund.

17:25 - Yeah, we have two SIPs.

17:27 One of them is this one, School Initiated Project Fund,

17:29 which is a matching fund, and we have priority schools,

17:32 which are Title I schools and schools that have different,

17:35 you know, like I said, higher ratios of free, reduced lunch.

17:39 They can get a bigger match.

17:41 So if a school wants to, up to 37,500,

17:44 up to 25,000 for other schools.

17:46 So if a school wants to do a big playground thing,

17:48 we’ve had this for years, they can raise whatever,

17:51 they want a new marquee, it’s gonna cost 14,000,

17:53 they raise 7,000, the district matches at 7,000.

17:56 If they’re a priority school, they raise 7,000,

17:58 the district matches at like a 75% match.

18:01 I feel like Space Coast is one of the ones

18:03 that can get the 75% match.

18:05 I’m not saying they need to raise up to 183,000,

18:08 but I just feel like the school

18:09 needs to have some buy-in here.

18:11 It would be, and I’m not willing to set an amount

18:15 right this minute, but I just feel like it would be,

18:17 it would be perceived by the rest of the schools

18:19 in the district to be more fair.

18:22 And because they have done the hard work

18:24 of doing some fundraising, like I said,

18:26 I don’t believe they’re available,

18:28 able to do this level of fundraising,

18:29 but I think it would be helpful

18:31 to have some kind of buy-in at this level.

18:34 And I don’t know, Miss Hannah,

18:35 if you’ve talked to the school leadership there

18:37 to see if they would be willing or able to do that.

18:41 - I am sorry, Miss Campbell,

18:42 I had not talked to the school leadership about that,

18:44 but we’ve been talking with them

18:47 about some other athletic facilities.

18:50 And so I feel like a nominal type of contribution

18:54 is probably within their reach.

18:56 - Okay. - I think–

18:58 - Oh, I’m sorry, Mr. Susan, go ahead.

18:59 - No, go ahead, I’m sorry, I didn’t,

19:00 I thought you were finished.

19:01 - And we would certainly work with them

19:03 to be able to move forward with the contract

19:07 while they were doing their fundraising.

19:09 - Right, yeah, right, ‘cause you said the time is now,

19:12 and I don’t wanna necessarily put a hold on it,

19:13 but just some kind of skin in the game, I guess.

19:18 - So I agree with you, Miss Campbell.

19:21 Many of our facilities are in equity, right?

19:23 So Mel High received a, you know what I mean,

19:27 over a million dollars for their football field.

19:30 And Palm Bay’s the same way, and school districts don’t.

19:33 Many schools have auditoriums.

19:35 Many schools have many, you know what I mean?

19:38 So there’s inequities out there, unfortunately.

19:40 Vieira High School doesn’t have

19:41 a baseball and a softball field.

19:43 They have to go other places.

19:44 So I wanted to just tell a story from my perspective.

19:48 So I taught at Space Coast Junior Senior High School

19:50 for six years, and I loved that school.

19:53 Loved, I coached, I played, coached football,

19:55 I coached wrestling.

19:56 One of the issues that Space Coast Junior Senior High School

19:59 has is it was built as a middle school.

20:01 And so your track and many of the other facilities

20:05 were built to become middle school facilities.

20:08 So when you didn’t have a large auditorium,

20:11 they don’t have a lot of the things that a high school needs.

20:14 And one of the things that you pointed out,

20:16 which I agree with you 100%, is port’s not a,

20:19 they’re not a city.

20:21 So they literally have the bagel shop

20:23 and a couple other places that fund

20:25 every single rec league and everything else.

20:29 And it’s a unique situation in that

20:30 it’s a bedroom community cornered off

20:34 by basically forests, and you don’t have it

20:38 connected to others.

20:39 But at the same time, where I was coming across is,

20:43 is there’s inequities across.

20:44 Like Mel High has the field, Palm Bay has the field.

20:49 There’s certain ones there.

20:50 But I would say that I would be comfortable moving forward

20:53 with not making them go in because the other piece is,

20:56 is that we would be taking away from

20:58 one of those Title I schools,

21:00 ‘cause there’s only a certain amount of money

21:01 that’s inside that fund that they fund those with.

21:04 So if another school was to present a funding source

21:09 and they did not get it,

21:11 so like if your Title I schools all apply

21:14 and Space Coast comes in, they’ll get bumped

21:16 because they’re not on the priority list.

21:18 So then we have a problem where we’re like,

21:20 well, what are we gonna do?

21:22 So I feel, and this is, I understand 100%

21:25 where you’re coming from, Ms. Campbell,

21:27 but the fact that it was built as a middle school

21:29 to service for a while, then a high school,

21:31 the track was never built out.

21:32 Every single facility they have is like

21:35 not big enough for the next.

21:37 And the fact that it would take away from possible Title I

21:40 schools for the fundraising, I would say that,

21:43 you know what I mean?

21:44 That would be my thought process

21:45 that we would just move forward with allowing them to do it.

21:48 But I’m open to the board.

21:49 I just wanted to say that

21:50 since everybody had had their part of the conversation.

21:52 Any other comments?

21:54 - Please.

21:57 I would hope that this board uses this moment

22:04 to recognize and reflect the fact that inequity

22:08 is rampant throughout the district.

22:11 And I think it would be advantageous of us

22:14 to actually educate ourselves on where that inequity lies.

22:19 And if we’re gonna talk about athletics,

22:20 like let’s stick there.

22:29 I’m not against these students getting

22:31 what they deserve and need in their community

22:33 that can’t fundraise, I acknowledge that.

22:35 I’ve always said, you know, there was a line that I read

22:38 that stuck with me forever where equal means

22:41 everyone gets the same,

22:43 equity means everyone gets what they need.

22:45 And so I believe in our school district,

22:47 there’s no way we could fund all these projects

22:49 for every single school, right, of course.

22:51 And I think it’s okay and right as a society

22:55 and a community for us to help those schools

22:57 and communities that probably can’t fund it themselves.

23:00 But I just want to highlight and make it very clear

23:03 to everyone that this is an issue we’ve had for a while.

23:08 And I wanna make sure that we’re going to,

23:10 if we start this precedent,

23:12 that we carry forward to all of our schools.

23:15 And that’s a precedent that we’re gonna be setting.

23:18 And I’m okay with that, but we need to recognize

23:20 that that’s the precedent we’re setting.

23:22 And I hope we follow through with it

23:24 because I know it’s easy to mention our schools

23:27 like Title I’s and stuff that we say get more funding

23:29 and all that.

23:31 But when I was participating in that COCO project,

23:34 the only thing I was aware of, and correct me if I’m wrong,

23:38 that they were getting at the time was the track

23:40 like everybody else.

23:41 And there’s a lot of need.

23:44 There’s a lot of need in some of our schools

23:46 who can’t do it themselves.

23:48 And so again, I’m not against this by any means,

23:51 but if this is gonna be a precedent,

23:53 then we better follow through.

23:54 We better be doing this for all of our students

23:56 who have those deficits and those needs.

24:00 That is my only hesitation.

24:03 I don’t know if we’re going to do that.

24:06 And that’s expensive.

24:08 Let’s be realistic about it too.

24:09 And I understand the timeline here.

24:11 I understand that this is the right time

24:14 to do this project, so I acknowledge that wholeheartedly.

24:18 But I think if we’re gonna have that conversation,

24:20 again, we need to educate ourselves

24:22 and take a real hard look about where those inequities lie.

24:29 - I might remind the board and we may be able to do that,

24:32 but I think Ms. Su, didn’t you spend some aggressive time

24:36 to identify all the inequities inside the district,

24:39 athletic facilities and other places?

24:41 - I wouldn’t say all of them,

24:43 but we have been trying to look at that

24:45 as in fact the field events is one area

24:47 where we have surveyed our schools.

24:49 So you saw the results of that.

24:51 Not all schools have all field events.

24:53 Space Coast is one where there’s another piece

24:56 of the potential ad alternates

24:58 that’s $143,000 or so worth of improvements

25:02 to the field amenities that are not part of this contract.

25:07 And that would typically be something

25:08 that the school would fund

25:10 and schools have funded those improvements.

25:14 So yes, we are trying to get there

25:17 and we’ve looked at all of our playgrounds.

25:20 We know who has two and who has eight.

25:24 We’re trying to get a handle on that.

25:27 And so as we’re looking at conditions of assets we do have,

25:30 we’re also comparing what assets are missing from schools.

25:36 So it’s kind of an ongoing work

25:38 and it’s a little bit of art and a little bit of science,

25:41 but we’re trying to get a much better handle

25:43 on at least the data so that we can make good decisions

25:46 about these types of things.

25:47 - Can I just clarify that real quick?

25:49 ‘Cause I didn’t want that to come across

25:51 like the district and the staff isn’t doing that.

25:54 I genuinely mean that us as board members

25:56 have a responsibility to be educated about it

25:58 and to make sure we understand it

26:00 because we’re the ones who are gonna set that precedent.

26:02 So we need to understand it.

26:03 So I didn’t mean that you’re not looking into it.

26:06 - No, I understand Ms. Jenkins.

26:07 - I know you’re on it.

26:10 - There’s a lot of data that we don’t have.

26:14 And so in addition to what you said,

26:17 we are trying to gather more data about those issues

26:20 so that we can present you with,

26:22 okay, who has what tracks

26:24 and who has what field facilities

26:27 and who has field houses and who has turf fields

26:30 and be able to make good capital decisions,

26:33 capital programming decisions about our athletic facilities

26:36 and our ancillary facilities at our schools.

26:40 - And I think, I’m sorry, Ms. Campbell, you go ahead.

26:42 - I was just gonna make a suggestion.

26:45 Ms. Hahn, you just very recently sent us

26:50 the report from the school initiated projects

26:52 for the fall round.

26:53 We do a fall round and a spring round.

26:54 And I believe there was about $100,000 left over

26:56 because every semester we don’t always have

26:58 all the requests and all that money gets rolled over

27:00 and added to the funding for the spring.

27:02 We traditionally have money left over

27:04 just about every time, if I recall.

27:07 So what I would suggest is,

27:09 I’m just gonna toss out an amount

27:11 and I’m gonna keep it low, keep the bar low.

27:13 We asked the school to raise $5,000.

27:16 They would qualify for $7,500 match

27:18 because they are a priority school.

27:20 That’s $12,500 that doesn’t have to come out

27:24 of Milet and Capital, but I think it’s manageable

27:29 for a school to put that kind of fundraising effort.

27:31 And it just shows good faith.

27:33 Hey, we’re gonna at least put our part.

27:35 I don’t know if the rest of the board

27:36 would be in agreement of that.

27:37 We just asked them, would you contribute that much?

27:40 And then some of that funding could come,

27:42 rather out of a capital, come out of that school

27:44 initiated project funding mechanism.

27:47 - Ms. Han, are you allowed to apply for that one time

27:51 per season?

27:53 - One time per cycle.

27:54 So the next cycle opens in February

27:56 and they would be able to apply.

27:58 And if they’re successful,

27:59 that would allow the $12,500 to be used.

28:04 And if they’re unsuccessful,

28:05 their $5,000 could still be a contribution

28:08 to the cost of the track.

28:10 - Another question real quick,

28:12 and then I’m sorry if I have other people that would like.

28:14 The question is, if they’re going,

28:17 does it behoove us as a school district

28:20 to if they’re fundraising for the other amenities

28:22 that we spoke of, to have them,

28:25 that built at the same time as the track,

28:28 as they’re there if they’re fundraising for it?

28:30 Is that something that some of the other schools

28:31 are getting added on later?

28:34 - Most of them are getting them added on

28:36 at the end of the track project.

28:39 So they’re still, while they’re still under construction.

28:42 But we work with our vendors on that

28:44 and try to match the timing with the fundraising

28:47 so that we can support what the school is doing.

28:49 - And if they apply to pay for what Ms. Campbell’s saying

28:54 in February, they would not be able to reapply

28:57 to fundraise for the internal components to their track

29:01 until August of the next year,

29:03 which would then become available

29:04 in like November of next year, so a year from now?

29:07 - So yes, so the cycle will open in February

29:11 for the balance, which is around 100,000.

29:14 And then if the board appropriates another 300,000

29:17 through the capital cycle, that cycle opens in October.

29:20 And again, if we know the schools are doing this,

29:23 we will work with them on the funding

29:25 to make sure that we finish their project

29:27 and not let the cycle affect the project execution.

29:32 - Can I ask a question just to be clear?

29:34 ‘Cause I like what you’re saying, Ms. Campbell,

29:35 about them having skin in the game and investing in it.

29:38 I understand that.

29:38 It’s just the amount of the project is so much

29:41 that they can’t come up with that.

29:42 So I don’t necessarily oppose that.

29:44 I just, to be clear though, the 12,500 doesn’t get us there.

29:47 We’re still a long way off, right?

29:48 - Right, no, but it’s a matter of where it’s coming from.

29:52 Oh, sorry, wherever it’s coming from.

29:54 So 5,000 is coming from the school.

29:55 7,500 is coming from this school initiated project grant.

29:59 Then that’s $12,500 that’s not going to come

30:02 from our capital budget, which leaves more in the capital

30:06 to put towards Myla and things like that.

30:09 So it’s not a matter of we’re not gonna do it.

30:10 It’s a matter of letting them, and even if they don’t,

30:13 as Ms. Han said, even if they don’t do it

30:15 through the matching, if they just say, you know what?

30:16 We’re gonna raise our 5,000 and put it towards it.

30:19 That’s, you know, it’s still a contribution,

30:21 but it’s not slowing down the process.

30:23 It’s just a matter of where the funding’s gonna come from.

30:25 - Okay, I understand, and I agree.

30:27 I mean, there are schools that need additional attention

30:29 and help, and I don’t think that that’s wrong

30:31 to say that these schools that are underprivileged

30:33 that need additional help that we should step in

30:35 and help in those aspects, so yeah.

30:39 - I just, just so everybody knows, I kind of feel,

30:42 you know, I used to do the car washes,

30:44 and we would work all day for $240,

30:47 and then we would go hit up all of the local bagel stores

30:51 in the Pizza Hut’s, and we would get $500,

30:54 and then, you know what I mean?

30:56 And unfortunately for them, they get hit all the time,

30:58 and it’s unique in the fact that Titusville,

31:01 like you said, has the Titusville,

31:02 an astronaut has Titusville, Cocoa has Cocoa,

31:05 and you start running all the way down,

31:06 there’s many of our high schools have a city

31:09 that they’re a part of, and Port St. John’s a unique thing,

31:11 so with that and the knowledge that I had,

31:14 I would like to move on just letting them receive it,

31:18 but if there’s more direction to go,

31:20 Mr. Trent, you’ve been kind of quiet on this,

31:22 you got something?

31:23 - So if you were going to build a, Ms. Hunt,

31:27 if you were gonna build a new track for a high school,

31:29 would you build it at six lanes,

31:31 or would you build it at eight lanes?

31:32 - Eight lanes. - Eight lanes.

31:36 It just seems like the timing is perfect

31:38 that you were there doing work.

31:40 It’s almost a bare minimum at this space,

31:43 and it would allow us to get the eight lanes in.

31:48 I would suggest, it looks like we have the money

31:51 from somewhere, and the time is of essence,

31:55 they’re there to do it now.

31:56 Raising $5,000, that’s great for the schools,

31:59 I think, having skin in the game,

32:01 but it looks like they’re gonna be doing some fundraising

32:03 down the road for the other part of the project.

32:07 So, and again, not having that downtown,

32:11 not having businesses abundant in the area,

32:15 I would move towards, let’s just get it done and move on.

32:19 Inequity’s a part of, in fact, the life here in the county,

32:23 and I know we’re gonna have this conversation

32:25 again and again, but in this instance,

32:27 I just would like to get this done for that school.

32:32 - I can, oh, sorry, I have a follow-up question,

32:34 so, or two questions.

32:36 So, the school-initiated projects,

32:38 just to clarify and confirm, if they were to apply for that,

32:42 they’re allowed to do partial project.

32:44 - Correct. - Okay.

32:46 Just wanna make sure, and then, Mr. Susan, Mr. Trent,

32:50 I know that you foresee them fundraising

32:54 for the next part of that project,

32:56 which would be those field, I don’t know, I don’t know.

33:00 - Shot put discus. - Thank you.

33:02 - Long jump. (laughing)

33:04 - You know me when it comes to sports.

33:06 But the reality is, they’re not gonna be able to fundraise

33:10 and fully fund that either, right?

33:12 So, how much does that typically cost?

33:15 - So, in aggregate, the number was about 143,000,

33:19 and the events were about 25 to 60 each.

33:24 - Okay.

33:25 - And they’ll have to look at the condition

33:27 and what is more important to upgrade, that type of thing.

33:29 So, I’ll work with Mr. Flora,

33:31 and when I bring this back to you in January,

33:33 I’ll have a little better feel for what capacity they have

33:38 and how we might handle their share, so.

33:42 - The reason I’m asking that question

33:44 is not to say that we’re funding all those projects

33:46 by any means, but the reason I’m saying that

33:48 is because the likelihood of them then going

33:52 to fundraise for that when they can’t fundraise for this

33:54 is honestly slim, right?

33:57 So, by applying for the school-initiated project,

34:00 it doesn’t inhibit them for those projects,

34:03 because again, the reality is that’s a really costly project

34:08 that they would also need support in.

34:09 And so, I see no harm in the game for them building

34:12 some pride and some buy-in to it,

34:15 setting the bar at an achievable level,

34:17 and then again, using the funds we already have set aside

34:21 in a different categorical instead of going into capital.

34:23 So, I agree with Ms. Campbell on that one.

34:27 - So, Ms. Hand, what I’m seeing from the direction

34:31 of the board, and if you want to speak again,

34:33 but it’s, hey, there’s some sort of ask for some of it,

34:36 but you think you could go back to Mr. Flora

34:38 and come back to us with a better suggestion

34:39 of what they can do, rather than us trying

34:41 to figure that piece out?

34:43 - Yeah, I mean, I think you’ve given me some parameters,

34:45 and so I’ll work with Mr. Flora,

34:47 and then when I present the change order,

34:50 I’ll just disclose what we’ve worked out with Mr. Flora

34:53 as part of the board action in January.

34:56 - Right now, it’s 2-2, so if you had something

34:58 you wanted to say.

34:59 - I just want to also declare this is not going

35:01 to hurt Myla, correct, with moving this.

35:03 I don’t want to do this kind of hinder, okay.

35:06 I want to be clear and make sure that’s clarified.

35:09 I like the skin in the game.

35:10 I think that that makes it fair,

35:11 and I think that the schools that have invested currently

35:13 into their tracks, that they would appreciate the fact

35:16 that we are trying to raise something.

35:18 So, I think that that school should be able to come up

35:19 with a little bit of the money, and I’ll help initiate

35:22 some of that.

35:23 If they need some help knocking on doors

35:24 and asking for money, I’ll get out there

35:26 and do it with them, so.

35:27 But yeah, I think that that’s a good directive to go.

35:30 - Perfect, I think you got direction,

35:31 unless Ms. Campbell wants to say something.

35:33 Anybody else?

35:34 We’re all good.

35:35 - No.

35:36 - Dr. Thede.

35:36 - Can I just provide one little point of clarification?

35:38 Space Coast is a tier one school.

35:40 It’s not one of our priority schools,

35:42 and I think I heard that in the discussion,

35:43 so I just wanted to provide that point of clarification.

35:46 - Right, I– - Thank you.

35:46 - Yeah, but I think when it comes to the SIPs,

35:49 I think they are–

35:51 - So, it’s Title I in priority schools,

35:54 and they may meet the Title I requirement.

35:57 I’m not positive off the top of my head.

35:59 - They’re not a Title I school.

36:00 - They don’t.

36:01 - But I can’t remember, I don’t know.

36:02 - No, they’re not.

36:03 - They’re not a, okay, so that would be a 50,

36:05 so it would be a one to one match.

36:08 - Yes, that’s why I wanted to point,

36:10 provide that clarification, thank you.

36:11 - Thank you.

36:12 - I think Ms. Han’s gonna go meet with them

36:13 and come back with a proposal,

36:14 but I think you’ve got what you need.

36:15 - Yes, sir.

36:16 - All right. - Thank you.

36:17 Thank you for all your hard work.

36:18 - Thank you, Ms. Han.

36:19 Next up is the topic, is the middle school financing,

36:22 presented by Ms. Han.

36:24 - Oh, sir, thank you.

36:26 So you might notice that foot high stack of paper

36:30 sitting there in that green folder.

36:31 We’ve been working on this for a while.

36:34 And so the board had taken several previous actions

36:39 on the middle school that will be…

36:42 built next – I’m sorry, I’m no longer in my office.

36:46 Where are we?

36:47 » That way.

36:49 » Next to Vera High School to the north.

36:52 And so we have – we’ve done a number of things to bring us to

36:56 this point.

36:57 More recently, we have engaged an architect to use a prototype

37:02 design,

37:03 and that has been ongoing for several months.

37:05 And they’re just about finished with their design documents, so

37:08 ready to go.

37:10 We concurrently engaged a construction manager.

37:14 And so the construction manager has been working alongside the

37:17 architect

37:18 as the design has been developed to try to make sure that we are,

37:23 you know,

37:24 we are managing our costs, we are working with our stakeholders

37:28 to make sure

37:29 that we’re delivering the middle school that meets our needs

37:32 here in the district.

37:34 And so that process has been ongoing.

37:36 And we realized a while back that our impact fee revenues are

37:42 not sufficient in terms of cash

37:44 on hand to be able to fund the project with cash.

37:48 And so we met with the board on two occasions in workshop

37:52 session talking

37:53 about we believe we’re going to need some gap financing in order

37:56 to start construction

37:57 when we’re ready to start construction.

37:59 And we are ready to start construction basically now.

38:03 We have an early works guaranteed maximum price proposal that

38:07 will be before you this evening

38:09 that is about $8 million, and that is to cover things like

38:13 buying mechanical equipment,

38:15 electrical equipment, early lead time items,

38:18 and also that will allow the site work to get started in January.

38:22 And so what we have previously told the board, and it remains

38:26 true,

38:26 is that if we start the project now, we’ll be able to open in

38:31 August of ‘24.

38:33 If we delay, we will not be able to open in August of ‘24.

38:38 So that was really the impetus for talking with the board

38:42 about needing some very short-term gap financing.

38:46 So the board gave us direction to proceed down those lines, and

38:50 we issued an invitation

38:53 to negotiate for certificates of participation, basically short-term

38:58 financing,

38:59 and framed it in about a $30 million need between the cash that

39:05 I estimate having on hand

39:06 and the total cost of the project.

39:09 So in order to issue a purchase order for $50-something million

39:13 project,

39:14 we have to have the cash in hand to be able to do that.

39:18 So we can’t issue a purchase order for $55 million if we don’t

39:22 have $55 million available.

39:24 So that was really the key point.

39:27 So we issued the invitation to negotiate, indicated we wanted

39:31 short-term financing,

39:33 and we wanted to be able to pay it back as soon as possible.

39:37 That was one of the strong directions we received previously

39:41 from the board,

39:42 is we want to be able to have that early payback if at all

39:45 possible.

39:46 Well, several banks gave us some very good proposals, but one

39:52 allowed us to use a line

39:54 of credit, which is a little bit unique in the certificates of

39:58 participation realm,

39:59 but the line of credit allows us to borrow substantially less,

40:04 because as we are proceeding

40:06 through the construction of the project, basically spending

40:09 money,

40:09 we’re also receiving quarterly impact fee payments.

40:13 And so because we have that in and out, we actually will be able

40:17 to borrow much less than the total gap.

40:21 So having the line of credit out there allows us to issue that

40:24 purchase order,

40:25 but we don’t actually need to draw down the same amount of

40:29 resources that we would have

40:31 under traditional financing structure.

40:35 So with that, we have put together a structure that Mr. Ford I

40:44 think could probably elaborate

40:45 on a little bit better, but the terms for engineers is that we

40:50 basically have a line

40:51 of credit, and we will draw down that line of credit when we

40:55 need to.

40:56 My estimates at this point is that we probably won’t even need

40:59 to make a draw

41:00 for about another year, because we do have about half of the

41:04 cost

41:05 of the project cash on hand ready to go.

41:09 And so the cost of borrowing is significantly less

41:13 than what we had previously presented to the board.

41:16 So we are ready to move forward.

41:19 What we have on your agenda this evening is basically the

41:24 analysis that I’ve just articulated.

41:27 That will be considered by the board.

41:29 There are implementing documents that go along with that that

41:32 are attached to the resolution,

41:34 and then the board will recess, will convene the leasing corp.

41:38 The leasing corp will act on a similar resolution.

41:41 And then following that, the board will reconvene and then

41:45 potentially act

41:46 on the early works proposal.

41:49 So that is where we are with the middle school financing,

41:52 and I’d be happy to answer any questions.

41:57 » Thank you, Sue.

41:58 Is there anybody up here that has any questions?

42:01 » I have a side question, because you just sparked my memory of

42:07 something.

42:08 We’ve been over this like 100 times, so thank you.

42:10 Thank you for rearticulating that for the public as well.

42:13 But you just reminded me of something.

42:15 The cost per student station, and this is more of a Russell Broom

42:18 question,

42:19 but was that part of our legislative initiatives that we were

42:24 going

42:24 to discuss this year about changing?

42:26 Okay, I just wanted to – I don’t remember.

42:28 » Yes, and just so you know, FSBA also made it part of their

42:31 platform initiative too.

42:32 » Okay, awesome.

42:33 And for people listening, what that really means is the state

42:36 sets an amount

42:36 that we can technically fund to build new schools.

42:40 And it is nowhere near the appropriate amount.

42:43 And so then it leaves this gap in order for us to finance and

42:45 figure out ourselves.

42:47 So and there’s many, many other laws constraining that, but we

42:49 won’t get into that.

42:50 So anyway, thank you.

42:52 And just want to reiterate too, not only do we want to open the

42:59 school as soon as possible,

43:00 because the need has been here for years and years and years,

43:03 and the community has been crying out.

43:05 But just to remind everybody, it also saves us money in the long

43:08 run,

43:08 because the cost of goods has dramatically increased and will

43:11 only continue

43:12 and is projected to only continue to do so.

43:14 So the faster we can do this, the better.

43:17 So thank you so much for all your hard work.

43:19 » Thank you.

43:20 » Thank you, Ms. Jenkins.

43:21 » I just want to jump in there and say thank you, because when

43:25 I was one of the people

43:26 who was adamant about let’s borrow as little as possible, pay it

43:29 off as fast as possible,

43:30 I couldn’t have imagined this.

43:32 So thank you, Mr. Fore, thank you, team, for helping us come to

43:35 this solution,

43:36 because I think this in the long run is going to be the very

43:38 best for Brevard as far

43:41 as financially and getting this done in a timely way.

43:45 So I just wanted to express my appreciation.

43:48 » Ms. Wright.

43:49 » I just have a few questions.

43:50 So when you calculated the impact fees and realized they were

43:54 not going to be sufficient enough

43:55 to cover the cost of this bill, what time frame specifically did

43:59 you calculate those fees?

44:01 How recently has it been looked at?

44:03 » Oh, about a week ago.

44:05 » Okay, all right, so it’s very recent.

44:07 Okay, good.

44:07 » Yes, ma’am.

44:08 » All right, is it possible for you to let us know what the

44:14 total limit is of the line of credit?

44:17 » The total limit we’re proposing as of today is 30.1 million.

44:22 » Okay.

44:22 » We have one opportunity, Mr. Fore, to downsize that, and we

44:26 intend to do

44:26 that when the construction contract is before the board in March.

44:31 My guess is that we’re going to downsize that to around 22

44:35 million.

44:36 » Okay, and then the other question I have is in regards to

44:40 coming from the private sector

44:41 and lines of credit usually are adjustable rates.

44:43 This is not, correct?

44:45 » It is adjustable.

44:47 » Okay, and what does that rate look like for us right now, and

44:51 I’m sure it’s tied to crime.

44:52 » Did you calculate that?

44:55 » Yes, ma’am.

44:55 The interest rate right now is between 3.6 and 3.7%.

44:59 It’s based off of what’s called the Bisbee index, which is a

45:02 rate published by Bloomberg.

45:04 » Okay, and what is our margins for the rate to rise?

45:12 I guess that’s, is it?

45:14 » There’s no limitations as to how far the rate can rise,

45:17 although I believe that there’s a statutory maximum of 12% in

45:20 Florida.

45:21 » Okay.

45:21 » I would have to double check that figure, but I think that

45:23 applies.

45:24 The floor on this rate is zero.

45:26 » Okay.

45:26 » So no events could the interest rate go negative.

45:29 » Okay, all right, thank you.

45:30 » I think we’re going to see that as well.

45:31 » Yeah, that would be great if it did.

45:35 » How can I make that happen?

45:36 » The other piece of data that you may want, Mrs. Wright,

45:39 is that we anticipate paying the note off July of 25.

45:44 So it’s pretty short-term financing, and that will depend upon

45:48 the impact fees that come in,

45:50 of course, so that rate can also fluctuate, so there’s a lot of

45:53 variables,

45:54 but based on a pretty conservative estimate, I feel pretty

45:57 confident

45:58 that we’ll be able to pay this off in a couple of years.

46:04 » So I just know that building with a line of credit is so much

46:10 better

46:10 than building with a straight loan, so for you to be able to

46:13 secure even someone allowing us

46:15 to have this opportunity is – I can amend you for doing that,

46:21 so I know it’s going to save the district lots of money, so I

46:24 appreciate the effort.

46:26 » Thank you.

46:27 » I have one more question, if that’s okay.

46:29 » Yeah.

46:29 » In regards to where these students are coming from, can you

46:33 talk a little bit about that

46:34 on the schools that these students would be pulled from,

46:37 possibly?

46:37 » Yes. So that is going to be a process that we kick off in

46:42 January with a board workshop,

46:43 because there are a number of different options as to where

46:47 those students can pull from,

46:48 and the middle school will affect potentially adjacent schools,

46:53 and that would include Delora, Kennedy, and McNair, and so that

46:58 is a conversation we are going

46:59 to need to have as to how to balance the enrollment.

47:04 The flip side of that is that we looked at the growth

47:07 projections in the Viera area,

47:09 in fact we look at it countywide, but there is a tremendous

47:12 amount of growth projected

47:14 for Viera specifically, like due west of where we are, and so I

47:19 think over time,

47:20 this will stabilize, but that is a very important issue, and we

47:25 are going

47:26 to be spending some quality time on that after the first of the

47:32 year.

47:32 » Thank you.

47:33 I think we have everybody in full support, a couple extra

47:36 questions, and I think that’s good.

47:38 » I just have one, I do have one question now that you say that.

47:41 I know, I know that we’re constantly in talks with Viera and the

47:45 growth and where they’re heading,

47:47 but I do know there was a weird flip and change, or flip and

47:54 change, for when there was supposed

47:58 to be growth happening west of 95 in Pineda, and then it kind of

48:02 shifted,

48:03 their plan shifted a little bit, and so I just, I want to just

48:06 reconfirm,

48:07 I mean they’re continuously having these conversations with us,

48:10 correct?

48:11 » Correct.

48:11 » Okay, and so obviously they’re going to be a part of this

48:14 conversation at the table

48:15 when we do talk about boundary changes, because in case they

48:18 decide to flip again

48:19 and start developing somewhere different, okay, and I know, you

48:24 know, they’re booming so fast

48:26 that they literally have a lottery system for new builds within

48:29 their developments

48:30 that are a year, year and a half out, and so it’s pretty easy

48:33 for them

48:33 to project where these things are going to happen, so thanks.

48:36 » Thank you.

48:37 » I think you have direction.

48:38 Everybody okay?

48:39 You good to go, Miss?

48:41 » Yes, thank you, appreciate it.

48:43 Thank you very much.

48:45 So it’s now 2.43, right?

48:48 We have, normally we finish these up at about 4.30, and I didn’t

48:54 know,

48:54 we have a pretty packed agenda, I didn’t know if you guys wanted

48:58 to possibly bring some

49:01 of those other items up, or at least I wanted to get kind of a

49:05 survey from you guys,

49:06 if you’re okay to go to like 5 o’clock or something like that on

49:09 the back end,

49:10 so first I’d like to discuss are you guys okay to move it to 5 o’clock

49:15 as a stop

49:15 so that you guys can get enough food and stuff like that and

49:17 come back,

49:18 or is there a need to finish up at 4.30?

49:21 I’d just like to kind of discuss that.

49:23 Miss Campbell, since you made the motion the last time.

49:26 » Just, I guess, I, you’re anticipating–

49:28 » I just want, look, I’m just trying to take care of you, I’m

49:31 trying to take care of you.

49:32 » No, I would just suggest that we potentially could have a

49:35 long board meeting tonight,

49:36 so I think getting some, a break, one, mental break and some

49:41 dinner is going to be very important.

49:43 5 to 5.30 is kind of tight, but let’s, you know, let’s plow

49:48 through.

49:50 I think we’ve talked about the public comment policy is

49:54 something that we can, you know,

49:56 even if the meeting doesn’t go long, I’ll be an optimist for a

49:59 minute tonight,

50:00 and we have some time, we could even bump that discussion to

50:03 this evening,

50:04 but clearly the next two items are a high priority for us, so.

50:10 » I–

50:11 » You want to meet in the middle and say, you know, Chick-fil-A

50:13 only takes five minutes,

50:14 but I think we need a mental break as much as we need a dinner

50:19 break.

50:20 » I think what we can do is we can, about 4.20 make that

50:23 decision, and then the other thing is,

50:25 is that if you guys wanted to, we could go, so I think that’s

50:29 good on time, the next one is,

50:30 is that we could go to bring back the interim and regular

50:35 superintendent search and move

50:37 to the other items, or we can start here.

50:40 Does anybody want to move some of the other items up and move

50:43 this?

50:44 I, the only reason I was mentioning that was the superintendent

50:47 search,

50:48 there’s going to be a lot of people watching tonight, and I

50:50 thought in my mind, I was like,

50:51 what would people in the evening want to watch, and that would

50:54 probably be

50:54 that one over anything here, so that’s why I was saying if you

50:57 wanted to move it up,

50:58 but I am open to any ideas.

51:01 Makes no difference.

51:02 Let’s roll.

51:02 » I would say just go in the order that the superintendent is

51:04 on, and let’s see.

51:05 » All right.

51:05 Here we go.

51:06 Thank you very much.

51:07 The next topic is the interim superintendent search.

51:11 So, everybody understands from the public, we were, I asked Mr.

51:17 Gibbs to submit,

51:20 to ask the board members to submit the, their rankings for the

51:25 interim superintendent search.

51:26 So, just for the public to understand, we had 12 rankings.

51:30 I think four of them were former superintendents.

51:33 One of them was a director over 22 schools in Orange County, so

51:37 we had 12.

51:39 A couple of them were from the state of Florida, a couple of

51:42 them were from outside the state.

51:44 We had interim superintendent rankings, and I’ll just read them

51:48 real quick.

51:49 Ms. Katie Campbell had James Larson, Mark Rendell, Robert Schiller,

51:55 James Herholz, and Cheryl Baker.

51:58 Jennifer Jenkins had James Larson, Mariah Poosh Conister.

52:03 Megan Wright had Robert Schiller, Mark Rendell, Michael Ahern.

52:08 I had Mark Rendell, James Larson, Robert Schiller, and Jean

52:12 Trent had Mark Rendell.

52:14 So, after all of the points, because you give 12 points to first

52:18 place,

52:19 11 points to second place, the total that came out was Mark Rendell,

52:25 46 points,

52:27 James Larson, 35 points, and Robert Schiller, 32 points.

52:32 So, we have 11 points lead, and then we have three people that

52:37 made the top three.

52:39 James Larson and Robert Schiller are a little bit closer.

52:42 So, with those interim superintendent rankings, I think the

52:46 first thing we wanted

52:47 to do was see if we wanted to bring back five, three, or make a

52:52 decision today based

52:54 on what we’re doing and just kind of discuss where your guys’

52:57 minds are on that.

52:58 So, I’ll open up the floor to discuss how many we may want to

53:03 bring back and also

53:04 if the opportunity is that you guys wanted to bring back five,

53:09 three, or make a decision today.

53:10 So, I’m going to leave the floor open.

53:13 Anybody want to discuss?

53:17 » Ms. Wright.

53:21 » I would love the opportunity to be able to speak with each

53:25 one

53:25 of these individuals before we move forward.

53:27 So, I don’t know if that’s – I like the idea of the top three

53:30 being, okay,

53:31 these are our three that we kind of all collaboratively agree

53:34 that they scored the highest.

53:35 Do we get the opportunity now to speak with them

53:37 and interview them before making any decisions on the

53:41 superintendent?

53:42 » Okay.

53:42 » The interim superintendent.

53:44 » Ms. Campbell.

53:44 » Yeah. I think this was a good process for us to, you know,

53:48 just get to see if we can get kind of a numerical consensus.

53:53 I will reiterate what I said last Monday as far as the process.

53:58 I think if we – I think we need to do our due diligence as much

54:03 as it’s added

54:03 to our schedules over the next week.

54:06 I think we need to do the interview process and be transparent,

54:10 although it would, you know,

54:11 maybe save us some time to go ahead and pick someone today.

54:15 I personally don’t feel comfortable enough having just seen

54:18 intent letters and resumes

54:20 and a few letters of recommendation and doing, you know, quick

54:23 Google searches to make

54:24 that decision today.

54:25 I think this is really important.

54:27 It gives our community some time to, you know, to give their

54:31 input as well.

54:32 Some of them are already reaching out to us, but some of them

54:35 don’t even know who’s

54:36 on the list yet, so this will give us some time.

54:37 So I think I would be in agreement that we just take these three

54:43 and ask, you know,

54:45 staff to set up interview times.

54:48 It sounds like you would like to have a private conversation in

54:50 addition to group interview.

54:51 Is that what you’re suggesting is right?

54:53 We’ve done that before with –

54:55 » I would, if that’s an option.

54:57 I would prefer that if we’re, you know, I know we’re up against

55:00 the wire on time.

55:01 So if time is of the essence and we can only do group, then we’ll

55:03 do group.

55:03 That’s fine.

55:04 But if we only have three, it makes it much more feasible.

55:08 » So what we did in the past, just so you guys know, if the

55:10 direction is that we take

55:12 in the top three, is that they come in kind of like what Paul

55:15 did, where there’s a roundtable

55:16 of three people and we interview each one of them separately and

55:20 they just kind of move

55:21 between us.

55:22 So like they get up and run to the next room and meet with you.

55:24 » It’s like speed dating only or virtually.

55:27 » We can do that or there’s an – and Paul, you may want to chime

55:30 in on what that experience

55:31 was like.

55:32 » And then the other thing you can do is we, being the fact

55:35 that there’s only three,

55:36 we may want to just reach out to them and have a conversation

55:39 with them one-on-one on

55:40 our own and then come back as a group to discuss.

55:43 » Are we allowed to do that, Paul, to reach out to them

55:45 individually?

55:46 » If it’s individual, you can.

55:48 We have Thursday reserved and Friday reserved with school board

55:51 meetings, so you could always

55:53 schedule three one-hour interview groups, so bring them in one

55:58 at a time as a group

55:59 and then take an hour break, so let them go down and get lunch

56:02 and everybody kind of relax

56:04 for an hour and then set them up for a rotation.

56:07 And the way it looked with me was I don’t remember how many

56:10 total attorneys you guys

56:12 had, but the board members moved from room to room and so there

56:16 were always three meetings

56:18 going on at the same time.

56:19 » Right, we made us move and not them move because that wouldn’t

56:24 be nice.

56:25 We moved and they got to stay in the same place.

56:27 We only had three at the time, so it actually worked pretty well.

56:29 » And we didn’t do hour-long each.

56:31 We did like 15 to 20 minutes.

56:33 » Yeah, I think it was 45-minute, like one-on-ones, and then

56:36 there was like 15-minute break, so

56:38 you could run to the bathroom or grab a snack.

56:40 » Yeah.

56:41 I’m not very clear on – one of these applicants, I’m not sure

56:45 that they’re in state, so that

56:47 would be phone interviews, so we would need to look at that.

56:49 » Yeah.

56:50 » And let’s go – let’s slow that piece down real quick because

56:53 we have some other – let’s

56:54 – I hear the first two people saying that they want to bring

56:56 back the next three.

56:57 Ms. Jenkins, did you want to comment on that?

57:00 » Yeah.

57:01 I think we told the public that that’s what we’re going to do,

57:04 and so we need to stick

57:05 with it.

57:06 So I am definitely in agreement with that.

57:07 I think we need to bring the top three back and have real

57:10 conversations.

57:11 This is – you know, we’re the 49th largest school district in

57:15 the United States of America,

57:17 and I don’t think we hire someone to run it based off of simply

57:20 a resume.

57:21 So I think it’s our due diligence to invite them here or via

57:24 Zoom, obviously, and at least

57:26 have further conversations.

57:28 » All right.

57:29 And, Ms. Jenkins, are you – okay, so that’s a –

57:32 » We’re good.

57:33 » Right?

57:34 » Mm-hmm.

57:35 » So let’s – now that we have the top three, are we all okay

57:38 with the top three that were

57:40 chosen between the points?

57:42 Is that fair enough to you guys?

57:43 » Fair enough.

57:44 » Yeah, absolutely.

57:45 » We’re good to go.

57:46 Ms. Jenkins?

57:47 All right.

57:48 So we have that set up.

57:49 And then one of the things that we have is – it’s Tuesday now,

57:54 and one of the problems

57:56 we may have is, is one of those, just like you said, is from out

57:59 of state.

57:59 So do we want to move to do one of them virtually, or do we –

58:03 you know what I mean, to allow

58:05 them to interview virtually so they don’t have to move, travel,

58:08 and all that stuff?

58:09 And then the other one is, do we want to do this on, like,

58:12 Friday and then make the decision

58:14 Friday?

58:15 Or do we want to take Thursday and Friday together?

58:18 So the first thing would be, are you guys wanting them to fly in

58:23 and be in person, or

58:24 would you want them to be on virtual?

58:28 » I’m completely fine with virtual.

58:30 That’s fine for me.

58:31 » Yeah.

58:32 In fairness to the one who’s –

58:33 » Let them make the decision.

58:34 » Yeah, yeah.

58:35 I mean, if he’s on vacation and –

58:36 » Yeah.

58:37 » – going to Disney World and they can just drive over for the

58:37 day, that would be great.

58:38 You know, and we have no idea.

58:39 There may be some life event that would prevent them from

58:39 interviewing on Thursday.

58:40 I think staff can take care of it if we have those days reserved.

58:41 But I would really like to do back to back to back as a group.

58:53 I think for fairness, so we’ve got all fresh in our mind, we do

58:56 those back to back to back

58:58 together.

58:59 And then in the same day, if we can, if everybody’s – the three

59:01 candidates –

59:02 » Do the group.

59:03 » – to do the round robin individual times with them in the

59:07 same day, I think we can

59:09 get that done in a –

59:10 » All right.

59:11 » The reason I was asking was a couple of things, is if you –

59:14 if we decided to do it

59:15 all on Friday, then that gives them an extra day to travel, tell

59:18 their families, tell everybody

59:19 that they’re going to be moving, right?

59:22 But the other issue that we have is, is that in the event that

59:25 we decided to have the interviews,

59:26 do the group, and then make a decision that day, it only gives

59:30 us Saturday, Sunday, and

59:32 Monday to negotiate a contract that we then rectify on Tuesday.

59:36 So just so you guys know, there’s a little contract timing.

59:40 And I don’t know, of course, these individuals, what their, you

59:44 know, contracts are.

59:45 But you know what I mean, it might be a little bit tight.

59:48 But I think that that’s doable.

59:49 I think if they’re coming in as an interim, they understand that.

59:53 And we could do that possibly on Monday.

59:55 Paul, what are your thoughts on that?

59:58 » On the negotiating part?

59:59 Yeah.

1:00:00 I mean, a lot of it can be done over internet, just paper, you

1:00:02 know, if I’ll have a template

1:00:04 ready for them for interim.

1:00:06 » Okay.

1:00:07 » And then I’ll shoot it to them, let them red line it in, and

1:00:09 if we need to sit down

1:00:10 with the chair and me on a phone call to hammer out the finer

1:00:13 details that are still up in

1:00:15 the air, we’ll do that.

1:00:16 » Sure.

1:00:17 Okay.

1:00:18 So –

1:00:19 » If I can go ahead.

1:00:20 So, we advertised Thursday and Friday and Tuesday to be such a

1:00:25 way that if we made a

1:00:27 decision that we could go ahead and vote.

1:00:30 » There were interviews or school board –

1:00:32 » On any of those days.

1:00:33 » There were school board meetings to interview and/or select

1:00:36 an interim school board.

1:00:38 » Okay.

1:00:39 Okay.

1:00:40 So, if we, you know, I understand, you know, we make it, we need

1:00:42 to really kind of need

1:00:43 to make a decision by the end of day Friday so that staff can

1:00:47 negotiate and we can vote

1:00:48 on the meeting at the latest on Tuesday.

1:00:50 So, then suggestions that we go ahead and try to do, unless

1:00:55 there’s some reason why

1:00:57 one of the candidates can’t, that we do all the interviewing on

1:01:01 Thursday and that leaves

1:01:02 us Friday, but I hate to make the decision on Thursday because

1:01:05 honestly I just need a

1:01:06 little time to breathe in between and pray and think and

1:01:09 whatever, but then we make the

1:01:11 decision on Friday if it’s possible, but like I said, if it’s

1:01:14 not, we have to do it all

1:01:15 Friday, we’ll do what we can.

1:01:18 But –

1:01:19 » Okay.

1:01:20 » I have a question.

1:01:21 » If we can have everybody kind of have a conversation wrapped

1:01:23 around it.

1:01:24 Go ahead.

1:01:25 Go ahead, Ms. Jenkins.

1:01:27 » So, first, I think we’re all in consensus that virtual is

1:01:30 totally fine, but just to

1:01:32 point out, you know, it’s customary if we were to ask them to

1:01:34 travel here that we would

1:01:35 pay for it.

1:01:36 So, let’s avoid that.

1:01:40 I just want to remind everyone that we’re in this position of

1:01:44 feeling pressured and

1:01:45 rushed for time because we put ourselves here.

1:01:49 And so, Mr. Gibbs, can you please just explain to me and explain

1:01:54 to the public why we would

1:01:55 have to make that decision so quickly?

1:01:59 » On an interim?

1:02:00 » Yeah.

1:02:01 » Dr. Mullins is still officially superintendent through

1:02:04 December 31st.

1:02:05 That’s when his contract ends, and he will officially be gone,

1:02:09 and we will not have a

1:02:11 superintendent come January 1st to run the district.

1:02:13 So if something happens, there is nobody to call staff, shut

1:02:18 down schools, or make those

1:02:20 decisions day to day.

1:02:21 » And just for conversation piece, I think, Dr. Thede, how long

1:02:25 were you deciding to stay

1:02:27 here in the event that we need?

1:02:29 » January 6th.

1:02:30 My last day in district is January 6th with my final date

1:02:34 January 20th.

1:02:36 » Gotcha.

1:02:37 So those are the pieces.

1:02:40 So Ms. Jenkins, do you have anything else you’d like to say?

1:02:42 » Yeah, no, I appreciate Mr. Gibbs for just readdressing that

1:02:46 because I think it’s important

1:02:48 for the public to understand because there’s going to be

1:02:51 confusion.

1:02:52 But again, we put ourselves here.

1:02:53 So I think we need to do our due diligence and make sure we’re

1:02:56 taking this seriously

1:02:58 and do it right and do it transparently, apparently, as much as

1:03:01 possible.

1:03:02 » Thank you, Ms. Jenkins.

1:03:03 Anybody else want to move in?

1:03:05 Right now we have top three.

1:03:06 If they want to stay virtual and call in for their interviews,

1:03:10 they can.

1:03:11 And then Ms. Jenkins had mentioned pay for their travel.

1:03:17 That is customary.

1:03:18 And if you look in many of the, you know what I mean, proposals

1:03:22 from the other associations

1:03:24 on the travel, maybe something that we decide to do to pay for

1:03:29 them to come.

1:03:31 If we should stay on it, does anybody have anything else to say

1:03:33 about the top three or

1:03:34 virtual?

1:03:35 If not, we can move on to the thing.

1:03:36 Okay.

1:03:37 » I think if we can have them in person, the travel – two of

1:03:40 them are local.

1:03:40 I mean, they can be here.

1:03:42 I would just say give them the option and see what they say.

1:03:46 I would – the one that’s not local, obviously, is probably not

1:03:50 going to travel.

1:03:51 That’s very short notice to be able to get on the plane and come

1:03:54 down here.

1:03:54 So it makes sense for that one to be virtual.

1:03:56 But I guess we probably need to offer the same to all three.

1:03:59 We can’t offer one of them virtual and the other two say we want

1:04:02 you in person.

1:04:03 So I think I would – yeah.

1:04:05 » Are you okay with paying for their travel if they do to get

1:04:08 reimbursed?

1:04:09 Because that’s what the other ones do.

1:04:11 » If we offer – » We’re going to be offering the superintendents

1:04:14 that come from around the state possibly or the nation.

1:04:18 I don’t know.

1:04:19 That’s another conversation.

1:04:20 Let’s – I think in order to save the money, maybe do – give

1:04:25 them all the virtual option

1:04:26 first.

1:04:27 » But if they want to travel themselves, then they can come on

1:04:29 their own dime.

1:04:30 » Yeah.

1:04:31 » Is everybody else okay with that?

1:04:32 » I’m not okay with that.

1:04:35 If we’re putting them as a candidate for this and we’re going to

1:04:38 not offer to pay for it,

1:04:39 we’re inhibiting one of those candidates for having the same

1:04:42 opportunity that candidates

1:04:43 nearby have.

1:04:44 So if we were going to open this search nationwide, then we need

1:04:46 to do what we said we were going

1:04:47 to do, and we need to offer the money if they want to fly here.

1:04:51 I think that’s the right thing to do.

1:04:52 Otherwise, we’re inhibiting them, and they’re not – that’s not

1:04:54 a level playing field.

1:04:55 They may not have even been applied then.

1:04:56 It doesn’t make any sense.

1:04:58 » So you’re saying that you would like to – what is your

1:05:00 direction?

1:05:01 Reimburse?

1:05:02 » Reimburse.

1:05:03 » Okay.

1:05:04 Mr. Gibbs?

1:05:05 Mr. Gibbs, do you have a say on it?

1:05:08 » Yes.

1:05:09 » I’m sorry.

1:05:10 Mr. Trent?

1:05:11 Sorry.

1:05:12 » I don’t know.

1:05:13 Ask Mr. Trent.

1:05:14 Extending the offer is fine.

1:05:16 » I mean, I read his resume.

1:05:19 I’m sure he could afford to do it.

1:05:20 » He’s probably got the e-mail ready to go right now.

1:05:24 [ Laughter ]

1:05:25 » He’s a rock star.

1:05:26 » And I would be surprised if he doesn’t take us up on that and

1:05:29 get on a plane and

1:05:30 get here.

1:05:31 » Yeah, I think looking at his resume, he’s somebody that will

1:05:33 be coming.

1:05:34 » Okay.

1:05:35 » He will be here Friday.

1:05:36 » All right.

1:05:37 So we’ve got top three virtual, and we’re willing to pay for the

1:05:40 opportunity if they

1:05:41 do come.

1:05:42 I think we have a majority on all of that.

1:05:43 Is that good?

1:05:44 So the top three are the points, just to reiterate, Mark Rendell,

1:05:48 James Larson, and Robert Schiller.

1:05:51 Do you need anything else, Paul, from the interim piece?

1:05:54 » No.

1:05:55 » Okay.

1:05:56 All right.

1:05:57 We’re good on that one.

1:05:58 The next one that we want to move to is – let me just get rid

1:06:02 of all of these – the superintendent

1:06:04 search.

1:06:05 And there’s a couple of layers to this one.

1:06:07 The first one is selecting, possibly, a superintendent search

1:06:12 firm.

1:06:12 And then sort of setting direction for what that looks like from

1:06:18 the perspective of how

1:06:20 long we may want to make that search and some of the input.

1:06:23 So if you guys have a second, the first thing is, in each one of

1:06:25 your folders, you should

1:06:27 have a copy.

1:06:28 And you should have received this – I think it was last Friday

1:06:31 we received these so that

1:06:32 we could review them.

1:06:34 Each one of the proposals, I’ll be honest with you, I want to

1:06:36 thank the firms that actually

1:06:38 did this in such a short amount of time, even though it is

1:06:40 something that these organizations

1:06:42 do on a regular basis.

1:06:44 It does take a second to do.

1:06:47 And there was four firms that brought it forward.

1:06:49 There was the Florida School Board Association, Ray and

1:06:53 Associates, McPherson and Jacobs,

1:06:56 and Hazard, Young, Atia and Associates.

1:07:00 I want to say all four, when I looked at them, are very

1:07:04 qualified firms.

1:07:05 I think that it’s – they all kind of niche into a different

1:07:09 area.

1:07:10 So depending on how you guys perceive it, maybe the conversation

1:07:14 is not more about what’s

1:07:16 here, but more about what you guys see as a search, and then

1:07:18 maybe dwindling it down

1:07:20 to what we decide based on that.

1:07:23 So I’m going to leave the floor open.

1:07:25 One of the things I would like to do is hear, when we do a

1:07:27 search, what are you looking

1:07:29 for?

1:07:30 National, state, you know what I mean?

1:07:32 And then we’ll go from there.

1:07:33 Does that sound good?

1:07:34 All right.

1:07:35 I’ll leave the floor open.

1:07:36 Anybody?

1:07:37 And Ms. Wright is on the mic, so go ahead.

1:07:41 Just to be clear, so with the interim superintendent, is there a

1:07:45 time limit on how long they can

1:07:46 serve as the interim?

1:07:49 My contract proposal would say until the new superintendent is

1:07:52 in place.

1:07:53 Okay.

1:07:54 So does this decision about hiring a firm need to be made right

1:07:57 now, or is this something

1:07:58 that we can look back on in 60 days once we’re moving past this

1:08:02 a little bit and stabilizing

1:08:03 things?

1:08:04 Or do we need to start a firm search right now?

1:08:07 It’s really up to the school board’s timeline, so there is no,

1:08:10 it has to be done before we

1:08:11 break for holiday.

1:08:12 It can be something that you guys considered after the holidays,

1:08:15 if you wanted.

1:08:16 Okay.

1:08:17 And my thought process on that is, if one of these interim superintendents

1:08:20 is here and

1:08:21 they are amazing and we love them, do we need a firm?

1:08:23 And now we’ve hired a firm, and we’re spending money that we

1:08:25 maybe don’t necessarily need

1:08:26 to spend if that ends up being that way.

1:08:30 Yeah.

1:08:31 I think there’s an argument to be made there.

1:08:33 I think that if we were to select an interim and they did a good

1:08:36 job that you could make

1:08:37 that selection.

1:08:38 I think the other issue that you would see is that there’s going

1:08:41 to be a lot more applications

1:08:43 that would come in and give us some more options from the

1:08:47 perspective of a national search.

1:08:49 I do want to remind everybody that Collier, Charlotte, Manatee,

1:08:55 Sarasota, and Broward

1:08:57 have all decided, and there’s some more that are coming.

1:09:00 Osceola just retired, right?

1:09:02 So there’s an opportunity to wait, to make sure that we do

1:09:06 things, and then there’s the

1:09:08 other opportunity that the pool will go and become smaller as we

1:09:11 get further down the

1:09:13 line.

1:09:14 So just with those two things, I’m open to suggestions, but

1:09:16 those were the two concerns

1:09:17 with both sides.

1:09:18 I completely understand where you’re coming from is right, and I

1:09:20 can see both sides.

1:09:21 So anybody else?

1:09:23 Yes.

1:09:24 I, too, have no interest in jumping in quickly on a search,

1:09:31 especially where we’re coming

1:09:35 up on a holiday that gives us ample time ourselves to look at

1:09:40 the companies that have put forth

1:09:42 – or these firms that have put forth the proposals, and it’s

1:09:48 money.

1:09:49 It’s something that we have to take very serious to not jump in

1:09:53 some kind of agreement.

1:09:55 We have time.

1:09:56 I believe we have – this is where we have time.

1:09:57 Interim?

1:09:58 No.

1:09:59 We don’t have time.

1:10:00 We need to get – we need to get somebody in here.

1:10:01 This, I think we have – we have time.

1:10:04 Okay.

1:10:05 Either of you would like to speak?

1:10:08 Yeah, please.

1:10:09 Ms. Jenkins.

1:10:10 So, if we don’t make this decision, we’re sending a message to

1:10:18 the public that can be

1:10:21 construed any which way they want to.

1:10:26 Again, we had this conversation previously, and I believe we

1:10:30 have an obligation to the

1:10:31 community and the public to continue to do what we said we were

1:10:34 going to do.

1:10:35 One of the things to consider if you don’t do it, yes, there’s

1:10:39 the potential that you

1:10:40 can like your interim superintendent, absolutely, but these

1:10:43 timelines, the shortest one I think

1:10:45 is like almost four months, up to six months.

1:10:49 And so, if you delay it, then you’re going to delay having a

1:10:52 full-term superintendent.

1:10:54 And then, at what point do you decide you don’t like your

1:10:56 interim superintendent enough

1:10:58 to open up the gate and then have that kind of a public

1:11:01 conversation?

1:11:02 That’s kind of a weird – a weird thing to do.

1:11:06 Mr. Trent, you bring up a good point, you know, it’s money and

1:11:11 it’s something we need

1:11:12 to think about, and Mr. Susan listed all of the school districts

1:11:17 that have vacancies.

1:11:18 We’re going to have to pay the superintendent a lot more money

1:11:21 than we paid the last one,

1:11:23 and the longer we wait, the more we’re going to have to pay that

1:11:27 superintendent as the

1:11:28 pool gets smaller and smaller.

1:11:31 That’s just – that’s just a reality.

1:11:34 And so, if we’re concerned about dollars, then the smartest

1:11:36 thing to do would be to

1:11:37 jump on this.

1:11:39 It’s going to be the most cost effective.

1:11:42 We’re going to secure one of these companies who may not be

1:11:46 available anymore when we make

1:11:48 that decision two months from now.

1:11:52 They may raise their cost because their burden might be a little

1:11:54 bit higher.

1:11:55 And again, those candidates that are in that pool are absolutely

1:11:58 going to be requesting

1:12:00 a much larger salary than they probably would have requested a

1:12:05 couple of months prior.

1:12:08 Lastly, I just – I just think it’s important for my fellow

1:12:18 school board members to be honest

1:12:24 about where we’re heading, because I also agree.

1:12:30 If we have an idea of what’s happening, then no, let’s not waste

1:12:33 $50,000.

1:12:34 So I want you to take a minute and think about that, too.

1:12:40 Thank you.

1:12:41 » Thank you, Ms. Jenkins.

1:12:43 Ms. Campbell.

1:12:44 » Mr. Gibnott – if Christy Rodriguez is in the room, do we

1:12:47 have any indication that

1:12:49 these quotes will be – this is their typical – or do you have

1:12:56 a lock-in for a certain

1:12:57 time?

1:12:58 » Yeah, I haven’t gotten anything saying it’s only good for 10

1:13:01 days or 30 days, right?

1:13:04 » Okay, good.

1:13:05 Good to hear.

1:13:06 So I – it sounds like there’s not anybody who’s ready – I don’t

1:13:10 know if you were, Ms.

1:13:12 Jenkins, ready to put your preference in for these four.

1:13:15 You didn’t speak to that.

1:13:16 » Oh, yeah.

1:13:17 I’m sorry.

1:13:18 I just wasn’t speaking to that.

1:13:19 Did you want to do that?

1:13:20 » Yeah.

1:13:21 » First?

1:13:22 Okay.

1:13:23 Sorry.

1:13:24 » It’s okay.