Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL
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8:16 - Next policy is board policy 5136,
8:19 wireless communication devices.
8:21 Are there any discussion items on this board agenda item?
8:26 - You skipped the superintendent sir.
8:27 - Oh, I don’t see him.
8:29 No, I didn’t see him.
8:30 - Yeah, they’re here.
8:31 - The superintendent.
8:32 - The search.
8:33 - Oh, the search.
8:34 I’m sorry.
8:35 Thought it said superintendent search.
8:36 - FSBH.
8:36 - And we met the whole time and talked about it
8:38 and everything else.
8:39 First topic is superintendent search discussion
8:41 and direction.
8:42 Florida school board associations
8:43 will lead the conversation.
8:44 Come on up, Mr. Vogel.
8:55 - Thank you very much.
8:57 John and I are glad to be here today
8:59 and everything is moving on as scheduled.
9:03 The first item I’d like to refer to you on
9:07 is a sheet that we provide in your packet.
9:10 It’s a superintendent search screening guide.
9:13 And this is an optional guide that board members might use
9:18 as they are looking at candidates as they come in.
9:22 And it’s just pretty much generic
9:24 and it covers some of the areas
9:26 that are priorities of this board.
9:28 The one only thing I’d like to remind the board of
9:31 is any official notes could be public record.
9:36 So if you decide to use this guide,
9:39 then it could be requested as a public document.
9:43 But many board members use this
9:46 to keep track of the candidates as they come in
9:48 and we’re very pleased to have four right now
9:51 and I know more are gonna be applying soon.
9:54 So that is the first item I wanted to cover.
9:57 The second item is on April 4th,
10:01 the board will be having a discussion
10:04 and determining the semi-finalists.
10:07 And I’d like to kind of give you an overview
10:09 of that process on what we would use.
10:13 The first thing that we’d like to do
10:17 is the board will have some time to look at all of them
10:21 and we’ll provide an overhead with a list
10:24 of all of the candidates.
10:26 And we’ll start out with a discussion of the candidates.
10:31 And then we will go through candidate by candidate
10:36 and ask board members which of the candidates
10:40 they would like to continue in the process.
10:43 And we call it continuing the process
10:45 at this particular time.
10:48 If three board members would like to have a person
10:52 continue in the process,
10:54 then we would move those people forward.
10:58 For example, if there might be two board members
11:01 that would like a candidate to move continuing the process,
11:06 then we would have further discussion on those two
11:09 to see if a board member that would wanted to advocate
11:14 for that person and another board member
11:17 would like to bring the person in continuing the process,
11:21 then we’ll add that person also.
11:23 And we’ll keep going through that process
11:25 until we determine who we would want to continue
11:29 in the process.
11:30 And at that point, we would have our semi-finalist list.
11:35 We don’t do any ranking at all.
11:37 We just have a conversation and go through that process.
11:41 And it works really well because many board members,
11:45 some board members might see something with a candidate
11:49 the other board members might not pick up.
11:52 At that point, when we declare our semi-finalist,
11:55 we start the background checking process
11:59 with our law firm, Greenspoon Marder,
12:02 that we work with out of Orlando.
12:05 And then we also, and board members can be thinking
12:08 about this right now,
12:10 we then, if there’s a important question
12:13 that board members would like to ask,
12:17 you could tell us what those questions are
12:20 and you don’t have to, what we’ll do is we’ll ask you
12:23 to just email them to us or we’ll call you
12:26 and get those questions.
12:28 And then we’ll ask the semi-finalist
12:33 to respond to three of them in video format
12:38 less than five minutes.
12:40 And then we’ll ask the other two in written format.
12:45 And so then all of these responses from the semi-finalists
12:53 then are available on the portal, website portal,
12:57 so everyone in the community can get to know the candidates.
13:01 Board members get a chance to see the candidates
13:05 in a video format and then important questions
13:08 that board members might have.
13:11 They can get some initial answers from that.
13:14 And then, so when the time comes to select the finalists,
13:18 the board members have the background check information,
13:22 they’ve had reference checking,
13:24 and they’ve been able to at least have some identification
13:27 with those candidates.
13:30 So any questions?
13:31 - Yeah, I have one.
13:32 So you want each board member to identify
13:34 one specific question that we wanna answer, correct?
13:36 - Correct. - Okay, thank you.
13:37 - And we don’t need that right now,
13:39 but we would, there’ll be a lot more to do it,
13:42 but we’d like to have, there’d be five questions
13:44 that would be sent out to each the same questions
13:47 for every one of the people
13:48 that’s identified as a semi-finalist.
13:50 - Perfect, thank you.
13:51 - So you can kind of think about the question now
13:53 so you don’t forget the last thing.
13:55 - And if you can, just for the posterity
13:58 of like duplicative efforts,
14:03 if she says the same thing as me and my question, right,
14:05 then we’re gonna have to change it around.
14:07 What happens is we’ll get those questions
14:10 and then we’ll work individually with the board member.
14:14 So we won’t have the same questions.
14:16 - Just call and say, hey, it’s already being covered,
14:17 here’s where it is. - Right, we’ll do that.
14:19 - And then, all right, go ahead, I’m sorry.
14:21 - We’ll work, that’s a very good question,
14:22 but we’ll work individually with the board members
14:24 to determine that question.
14:26 But I always like to have board members
14:28 think about it, you know, well in advance.
14:31 You can think of what you’d like to go ahead and ask.
14:34 - Thanks. - Thank you.
14:36 - Okay, so that’s kind of the semi-finalist process
14:40 and then at that point, we’re moving forward
14:43 and I’m gonna turn things over to John now
14:45 to talk a little bit about what happens,
14:49 what we’re recommending when we get
14:50 to the finalist process and interviews, thank you.
14:58 - Thank you, Dr. Vogel and good afternoon, board members.
15:02 In your packet, you should have three sample interview
15:06 schedules for the on-site interviews.
15:09 Once you select your finalist, which you would do
15:13 on, excuse me, April the 18th, there’s a sample
15:18 and should the board select three finalists,
15:21 there’s a one-page sample interview schedule there.
15:25 If you select four finalists, there’s a sample of that
15:27 and if you select five finalists,
15:29 there’s a sample for that as well.
15:32 I will start off by saying that this is certainly
15:34 just the initial stages of FSBA trying to get input
15:38 from the board about your thoughts on how the one
15:42 or two-day on-site interview process would occur.
15:49 If you looked at the little sample that if you have
15:51 three finalists, we would be able to do that in one day
15:55 where you can complete your interview
15:57 of the three finalists as a sitting body
16:00 and the afternoon you could do your one-on-one interviews
16:04 for an hour with each finalist that afternoon.
16:08 So if we have three finalists, should the board select three
16:11 we could complete that in one day.
16:15 With four or five finalists, we would need the two days
16:19 which you’ve set aside for on-site interviews
16:22 to be April the 27th and 28th, so we would need
16:26 two full two days for four or five finalists.
16:31 If I could ask you to please turn with me
16:33 to the sample with four finalists.
16:36 And I just want to kind of review some high points
16:39 of some options the board may have
16:42 if you have three, four or five finalists.
16:45 So on the first date, over to the left column
16:49 for the sample with four finalists on two days,
16:52 that’s the date of arrival for any out of district
16:56 or out of area finalists.
16:58 If you’ll look at the bottom of that far left column,
17:02 dinner with a host, that is an option
17:05 should you decide to do that.
17:07 If you want to identify a district host
17:10 or maybe two district hosts, two district staff members
17:14 for each finalist to kind of be their on-site hosts
17:17 for these two days, the option is you could have the host
17:21 have dinner with the finalists.
17:24 We found out over the years with travel
17:26 and things of that nature that dinner is an option.
17:29 It is certainly not a requirement
17:31 for the host to have dinner.
17:33 And sometimes the finalists do like to just,
17:35 especially your out of area finalists,
17:37 like to get in town and get settled in
17:39 and even any local or candidates that are in central Florida
17:45 would like to have that evening to kind of prepare.
17:47 But having a host or two hosts
17:49 have dinner with each finalist.
17:52 So if you have four finalists, you would need eight hosts.
17:56 That is an option.
17:58 If we look at April the 27th, which would be a Thursday,
18:02 that is the day that you would have your interviews
18:05 for an hour and a half with each of the four finalists.
18:09 The concept for that day is simply that
18:11 the finalists would meet here in the morning.
18:15 The option is they can have breakfast with their hosts
18:17 prior to the arrival time,
18:19 or you can have a light continental breakfast here
18:22 at this facility ‘cause your interviews
18:24 will be occurring here.
18:26 And let’s say we have the four finalists.
18:30 We would identify the finalists as finalists A, B, C, and D.
18:35 As the board is interviewing, as you can see,
18:38 assuming you want these times
18:40 and all these times are flexible,
18:42 if you begin interviewing finalists A at 8.30,
18:46 then you would finish finalists A at 10.
18:49 And while the board is interviewing finalists A,
18:52 then finalists B, C, and D would be potentially
18:58 on tours with the two hosts.
19:02 You could have meetings set up with department staff here
19:06 that each of the finalists could go around
19:09 and visit with for 30, 45 minutes
19:11 while another finalist is being interviewed.
19:14 So you have the option of kind of close community tours.
19:18 I know we can’t go too far
19:20 ‘cause you don’t have all day to do this
19:22 ‘cause they’ll have to come back for their interviews.
19:24 Or you could do something onsite here
19:27 where maybe they do take an hour tour
19:30 of one of your closest schools
19:33 and come back here and maybe meet for 45 minutes
19:36 with various departments and kind of rotate through that.
19:39 So we’d just like to have some activities
19:41 for those three remaining finalists
19:44 who are not being interviewed to have some time
19:47 with staff and/or touring around.
19:51 Lunch could be onsite here for the board
19:54 as you kind of go through the day with your interviews.
19:57 If you do decide to do tours
20:00 outside of the person who’s being interviewed,
20:03 the tour host could maybe stop and have lunch
20:06 with a candidate if they’re out touring.
20:08 So that’s an option as well.
20:11 That evening, what we would have the board consider,
20:14 if you wish, is to maybe have a community meet and greet.
20:19 This facility could be, this room could be a good room
20:22 for that or another venue that you might want to identify.
20:26 But the concept for that evening,
20:28 as we’ve spoken about before,
20:30 is we would have the four finalists here.
20:33 We would kind of sequester the finalists
20:35 in the back somewhere and each finalist comes out
20:38 and gives an eight to 10 minute intro of him or herself.
20:42 And then the next finalist comes up.
20:44 We rotate through the finalist.
20:46 And after that, then this room would kind of be open
20:48 for four finalists to be in four corners of the room.
20:53 And then the community who comes to that meet and greet
20:56 can mingle around and speak with the finalists
20:59 to get some first impressions of those finalists.
21:02 What we would also do that evening
21:04 is have a QR code available
21:06 where the members of the public could, on their phone,
21:09 access that code and submit any thoughts
21:12 that they may have about the candidates to you,
21:14 the board members.
21:15 We would compile that and have it ready for you
21:17 the first thing the next morning
21:19 before you start your one-on-one interviews.
21:22 So some of those comments might be
21:24 the person in the community might want to make
21:26 some very positive comments
21:28 about the strengths of a candidate or two,
21:31 or someone may have questions about a candidate or two.
21:34 But that is another way for the public to be involved
21:37 in providing some feedback to the board
21:39 during that meet and greet.
21:42 And depending on the time of that meet and greet,
21:44 we can have a light dinner for the finalists,
21:47 kind of maybe a box launch type thing
21:49 or something prior to or after the community meet and greet,
21:53 depending on the time that we finalize.
21:57 The very next day, which would be Friday, the April 28th,
22:01 that would be your day for your one-on-one interview
22:04 for an hour with each finalist.
22:06 If you look at that sample chart,
22:08 you’ll kind of see how that lays out.
22:11 That morning, again, it could be breakfast with a host
22:14 and/or a light continental breakfast here,
22:16 where we would have all the finalists here.
22:19 Those activities would all be in this facility
22:22 on that last day.
22:23 So as four board members are interviewing the four finalists
22:28 for an hour, one-on-one each,
22:30 then you would have one board member
22:31 that would have a blank period of time
22:33 because you only have four finalists.
22:34 So if you looked at the far right box there,
22:39 which would be that Friday, April the 28th,
22:41 you’ll kind of get a feel for how the times would lay out
22:45 for the board members to interview four finalists
22:47 for an hour each.
22:49 If by chance the board selected five finalists,
22:52 then you would have five interviews
22:54 an hour, an hour back-to-back.
22:56 And we’ll give you about a 50-minute break in between those.
22:59 So that’s kind of a quick overview of what our thoughts are
23:02 for those two days of onsite interviews.
23:05 And we would certainly like to begin to get your input
23:07 on the first day.
23:11 Do you want to consider the community reception?
23:13 Would you like to have lunches kind of onsite
23:17 except for those people who might be out touring?
23:20 Would you want to have the tour concept with staff people?
23:24 You could have one staff member
23:25 and one business community leader as a host together.
23:29 Your staff person would kind of know the district,
23:32 would kind of be the driver,
23:35 and your community person could be there
23:38 to also discuss Brevard County with those candidates.
23:44 That will also be a time that the candidates
23:46 are kind of interviewing Brevard as well,
23:50 asking questions about some of the facilities,
23:54 some of the buildings, some of the challenges in instruction
23:57 or some of the positive things that are going on.
24:01 So it really is a good time
24:02 for them to share some information.
24:06 So now keep in mind that we will be back on the April 4th,
24:11 and I’ll bring this up again.
24:13 I’ll have a more refined schedule for you then
24:16 based on your input today.
24:18 So if I could at this point get any thoughts
24:21 that the board might have on some of the functions
24:24 surrounding these two days.
24:26 - Thank you.
24:27 I think if you would walk through,
24:29 the first one you said you were interested in us
24:30 giving you feedback on was the community reception.
24:32 If we can just go through each one of those like that.
24:35 So I think if you guys are interested
24:38 in a community reception the way that he laid out,
24:41 we can discuss that now.
24:47 - Well, my only thought on the community reception
24:48 is that if that’s not the selected candidate
24:50 and now we have presented them to the community,
24:52 could that have a negative recourse for us?
24:55 If the community falls in love with him
24:56 and he’s not who we selected.
24:57 - Yeah, I think in the past,
25:00 so I’ve been a part of Bingali when he was here years ago.
25:05 And so they had a community
25:07 where they both were in the same room.
25:08 People came and meet and greet and it went pretty well.
25:10 - So all of the candidates would be in the room
25:12 for the community reception, is that right?
25:14 - Yes, ma’am.
25:15 - Okay.
25:16 - And you can do different locations
25:18 but it’s a way for them to kind of meet
25:19 and I think it’s open for the community
25:21 to actually get to them.
25:23 Like, we’re always gonna have people
25:24 that have their opinions
25:26 but I think that it allows people in the community to go.
25:29 But I’m–
25:30 - I’m wondering if the way,
25:31 and that you guys, this is, you know,
25:33 you’re the experts in this.
25:34 I’m wondering if the way that you do the QR code
25:36 and input you is, so it’s not so much a vote.
25:39 We’re not necessarily taking a community vote, right?
25:41 You’re asking for feedback that will come to us anonymously
25:45 but we’re not asking,
25:47 we’re not gonna do a poll of everybody who comes.
25:49 - No, ma’am, not at all.
25:50 It’s simply an opportunity for the community
25:53 to kind of express their thoughts about,
25:56 again, the strengths of a candidate
25:58 or, you know, any concerns.
26:00 You know, potentially, someone might say,
26:03 does this candidate have enough experience
26:05 in, you know, finance management?
26:08 Or it’s just a thoughts, it’s thoughts from the community.
26:12 It is no ranking, it is no voting.
26:14 It is simply another chance for them to give input
26:17 to the board on their thoughts about certain candidates.
26:20 And we have had it with, you know,
26:22 kind of an open setting like this.
26:24 We’ve also had it where they would kind of
26:26 have rooms assigned, depends on the facility.
26:30 And the community kind of goes from room to room.
26:33 But we just kind of make that decision
26:35 based on the facility and what might work best
26:38 here in Brevard.
26:39 But we found that it’s been very well received
26:43 by the community.
26:46 - Does each candidate get the opportunity
26:47 to like get up and speak?
26:49 Or how does that, what does it look like?
26:51 - Well, to start off the program,
26:52 we’ll basically just have each finalist come up
26:55 and give a quick six to eight minute intro
26:58 of him or herself.
26:59 So if we have it at this facility,
27:01 you may have, you know, 70 or so people sitting here.
27:05 Each finalist comes up to the microphone,
27:07 give six or eight minutes.
27:09 We then take that finalist out the door.
27:12 Another finalist comes in.
27:13 They have six to eight minutes.
27:15 We rotate through with the four finalists.
27:18 Some districts, we’ve had questions for each finalist.
27:23 After they do the five to eight minute intro,
27:26 six to eight minute, then they respond to one question.
27:29 We’ll kind of emcee that just to kind of get the community,
27:34 give them experience with how they may respond
27:37 to questions kind of off the cuff.
27:39 - Okay.
27:40 No, I like it.
27:42 - Anybody else?
27:43 Good?
27:44 Good, Ms. Jenkins?
27:46 And what you can also do is you can also just get them
27:49 into different rooms.
27:49 You can give everybody a number
27:51 and then they can rotate in a number fashion.
27:53 You know what I mean?
27:54 There’s all kinds of ways to do it.
27:55 - Right. - Yeah.
27:55 - ‘Cause what’ll happen is the first guy that speaks
27:57 will then go and then the entire place will go follow him.
28:00 And then they’ll be like, you know what I mean?
28:01 And then it just gets kind of crazy.
28:03 But I really appreciate you making that offer.
28:05 What’s the next one that you need direction on?
28:07 - Basically, you wanna entertain the idea of having host.
28:12 - I do.
28:13 - I think that’s great.
28:14 And I was actually, while you’re talking about having
28:17 two hosts, maybe a staff member and a community member,
28:20 I wonder if we could pull the community members
28:23 from our chambers.
28:24 We have four chambers.
28:26 Plus we’ve got the Space Coast whatever it’s called
28:30 from the EDC.
28:31 I think that would be great because we were talking
28:33 about trying to sell Brevard.
28:35 That’s their job.
28:37 And they may be trying to sell certain parts of Brevard.
28:39 But I think that might be a great source for us
28:43 to pull those community people to team up
28:45 with a staff member.
28:47 - Right, and Ms. Campbell, it does help really kind of keep
28:50 that community bond with the district.
28:52 So you would have maybe one district office,
28:56 maybe executive level cabinet member who’s familiar
28:59 with the district and drive around to the places
29:02 that we can get to in time.
29:04 And we can kind of work with your folks here
29:07 to determine what would be an appropriate route.
29:09 Can they visit this school real quick?
29:11 Drive by the government buildings or whatever would allow
29:14 them in that hour and a half depending on their schedule.
29:17 And if we had a community person with that,
29:20 that would be a great mix.
29:22 - Yeah, I like that.
29:24 I like the idea of having the community host with me.
29:27 I would just offer that, that calling on our chambers,
29:30 if the CEOs of the directors of the chambers
29:34 would be the people.
29:35 But I know they’re very busy people
29:36 that they could kind of designate someone for us
29:38 depending on how many we need, three, four, or five.
29:42 I think that would be a great idea.
29:45 - Jenkins.
29:47 - Yeah, I think it’s great, thank you.
29:50 - And I think my suggestion would be even if you had
29:53 more than two and you just had three moving around
29:55 ‘cause you have like the zoo, you have Linda Weatherman,
29:57 you have the chamber presidents, you have Career Source,
29:59 you have like Viera Company, some very active people.
30:02 And we had spoken before about having them do videos
30:06 to push out and we had spoken just a minute ago
30:09 that in the event we had kind of said that would be okay
30:12 to have like Linda Weatherman and some of the others
30:14 and make a video of promoting who we are and tell
30:17 a little bit about it, put it on our website.
30:19 And when they come in, they’ll meet ‘em
30:20 and then those people can do it.
30:22 So I think it’s a really good, and I wouldn’t hold it
30:25 to just two just in case there’s some really good people,
30:28 maybe three would be tops.
30:29 ‘Cause four people can fit in a car.
30:31 - Yeah, yeah.
30:32 - And John, do you want us to identify these individuals
30:34 by April 4th when you come back or what’s–
30:36 - That would be great if we could.
30:37 And what I’ll do, I will take and refine this schedule
30:40 with a little more specificity in it with regard to times
30:44 and things of that nature.
30:47 Build in the community reception,
30:49 build some window times for tours,
30:52 depending on what candidate A, B, C, or D
30:54 or that schedule might be.
30:56 I’ll do that fourth, again, schedule three, four, and five
30:59 in case we have three filings, four or five.
31:01 So if you could maybe at the next meeting,
31:03 which is again, April 4th, the next time we meet,
31:06 if we could have some names of community people
31:09 and even the staff people that we would need.
31:12 So anywhere from three staff people to five staff people
31:16 and community people that would be okay
31:19 for three, four, or five finalists.
31:21 And like the Chair says, we can have more
31:24 than one business person in the vehicle.
31:29 - Can I make a suggestion?
31:30 - Absolutely.
31:31 - Dr. Shiller, since this kind of community partner issue
31:35 falls direct– - Sorry, I couldn’t hear you.
31:36 - Yeah, sorry.
31:37 Since this community relations kind of partnership issue
31:41 falls under the area of GCR, could we ask Mr. Broun
31:44 to help identify, since we already have the dates?
31:47 - Yes, of course.
31:48 Mr. Broun and his staff have responsibility in this area
31:53 to work that through, should you so desire.
31:56 - Okay. - Okay.
31:57 - To get those community partners for us.
32:00 Great.
32:03 - All right.
32:07 And any suggested people that we have to,
32:09 I mean, I think that would be appropriate.
32:12 Everybody okay?
32:13 What’s the next one you need?
32:15 - Those are, like I said, this was just our initial,
32:18 a little feedback from the board.
32:19 So again, I’ll take this now, move back,
32:22 come up with three more refined schedules,
32:24 three, four, or five, and maybe refine some more details
32:28 at our next meeting, but this certainly is a great help
32:31 for me to get started on the schedules
32:32 and working with your staff as well.
32:35 - Thank you.
32:37 - Thank you, sir.
32:38 And then the three-day, before you walk off,
32:39 I did have some concern with the three-finalist schedule.
32:42 That’s a long day.
32:45 I know it’s possible if we start at 7.30 in the morning
32:48 and we’re ending, I wonder if it might be better
32:51 if we have three finalists to transition that
32:54 to follow the four-finalist pattern.
32:58 I mean, even if there’s a little bit more sitting around,
32:59 I just hate to kill somebody, you know,
33:03 and all the staff who have to get ‘em everywhere
33:05 by trying to cram it all into one day
33:06 when we already have the days blocked off.
33:08 - Yes, we do, and that’s always a good thing
33:10 with two days blocked off, the finalists will know
33:13 they have to commit to two days.
33:14 So I’ll do away with this one day
33:16 and look for one for two.
33:19 - Okay. - Yes.
33:20 - I would hesitate to not do it in one day
33:23 because of calendars and commitments and stuff like that,
33:26 but if there are individuals that, you know what I mean,
33:29 we might have three people that are running
33:30 other school districts that would love the opportunity
33:33 to come, get interviewed, and go out.
33:36 I don’t know, I mean, I hear what you’re saying
33:38 about the three, but I’m looking at it,
33:40 and if we can get it all done in one day,
33:42 then why is it we would move to two?
33:43 - Just to remind you, the ad actually says
33:45 they have to be available for all five interviews
33:47 on the 27th and the 28th of April,
33:49 so they would be prepared.
33:50 And we won’t know if we’re gonna have three finalists
33:54 or four or five until April the–
33:59 - 18th. - 18th.
34:00 - Yes.
34:01 - So it’s not a lot of time to adjust the calendar
34:06 at that point.
34:07 - I mean, I’m okay, it doesn’t matter to me.
34:08 It’s just getting it done in one day as opposed to two,
34:11 it’s six or one half dozen.
34:12 If you look at it, one day starts us at 7.30,
34:15 finishes at like eight o’clock, you know what I mean?
34:18 So if you–
34:19 - Well, dinner starts at– - Not for them, yeah.
34:21 - Right.
34:22 - So I’m gonna, for the sake of brevity
34:25 and time for this workshop,
34:26 I’m gonna ask that we don’t respond to each other
34:28 every single time someone makes a comment.
34:31 I’m with Ms. Campbell on this.
34:34 I think it needs to be more than the one day.
34:39 If we don’t remember the last process that we went through,
34:41 it was way too quick, it was way too long.
34:44 And quite frankly, after you do those group interviews,
34:46 you need time to kind of process what was discussed
34:48 and presented in order for you to generate more questions
34:51 or even kind of go home and do a little bit more research
34:54 on your own.
34:55 So I prefer the other ones.
35:00 - Okay, so I guess that’s a majority of people.
35:04 We’re good to go to those two days.
35:05 I would–
35:06 - Two days.
35:07 - All right.
35:09 - Yes, sir.
35:09 - What else do you need?
35:10 - That’s it for me, thank you.
35:11 - You want us to start sending you our questions now, or?
35:14 (woman speaking faintly)
35:17 Okay.
35:21 - Thank you, Mike. - Thank you, guys.
35:22 Thank you, gentlemen.
35:24 Okay, next topic is board policy 5136,
35:27 wireless communications devices.
35:29 I think you guys have all had a chance to review ‘em.
35:31 It’s pretty much the same thing that we’ve had before.
35:33 Are there any questions on it?
35:36 No?
35:37 Same one we agreed to.
35:40 It’s just coming back for us.
35:42 All good.
35:43 I don’t even know if you have to get up.
35:45 I think we’re all good.
35:46 - Mr. Broun, would you just outline for the public
35:50 the next steps that we would follow with this policy
35:53 with regard to moving forward?
35:57 - Mr. Gibbs? - Mr. Broun is over there.
36:00 - Mr. Gibbs, Mr. Gibbs is a parliamentarian.
36:02 - Yeah, the next step would be public hearing number one
36:06 at the next board meeting,
36:07 followed by public hearing number two
36:10 the following board meeting,
36:11 and that would be the one
36:12 that the final approval comes in at.
36:14 - And those two have to be seven days apart?
36:17 Is that how it works?
36:18 - First public hearing, you have to have a minimum 14 days
36:22 public notice from the run date of the ad,
36:25 and then the second public hearing
36:26 has to occur no less than 28 days
36:28 from the running of the ad.
36:30 - 28 days from the original ad?
36:33 - From, yeah, whenever your ad noticing it was.
36:35 So yeah, we do it all in one,
36:36 so it would be 14 days to the first,
36:38 and then 28 days to the second.
36:41 - So conceptually, you can pass it within 28 days
36:43 as long as you notice it inside of there,
36:45 and we’re good to go.
36:46 - And Brevard Public Schools procedure
36:48 has an extra workshop built in so that,
36:51 like this one, where if you did say we wanna make changes,
36:53 you’re still outside of rule making,
36:56 and you can make those changes.
36:57 At the first public hearing, you make a change,
36:58 we gotta start over.
37:00 - Yep, we should be good.
37:02 Anybody have any questions on the topic?
37:05 Be okay, right, we all good?
37:07 Okay, moving on.
37:10 Next topic is board policy 2521,
37:12 structural materials program.
37:15 Does anybody wish to start the discussion?
37:23 Mr. Trent?
37:25 - Yes, so I just wanna start by saying thanks for coming.
37:30 Your patience on this, but we wanna get it right.
37:34 And I’d handed out some notes that I wanna make sure
37:39 if we have the support of the board
37:43 to include some of these,
37:44 and some of the rationales to why.
37:48 So it seems like all that you guys get ready are all set.
37:56 I sent in an email pretty much,
37:58 so I don’t have to start from the beginning,
38:02 but I will here.
38:05 Books in the formal review process are to be listed online,
38:09 along with some books that have finished the process.
38:11 Some might refer this, and I’m not,
38:13 but to a do not buy list.
38:15 But it’s actually just a list of books that have been,
38:18 you know, informally removed or formally removed.
38:21 But for new teachers coming in,
38:24 it would be nice to see what a list,
38:28 especially when we’re dealing with classroom libraries.
38:32 You know, it would be good to have.
38:33 But essentially, it would look like,
38:35 and that’s the example, whatever book.
38:37 You know, that’s pending a book committee review.
38:40 Another title, that one was deselected
38:42 by the book committee due to violation,
38:45 and it would be specific.
38:46 But it would have a title,
38:48 and the reason why it’s where it’s at in the process.
38:52 But that would be, if we can have something
38:54 that refers to that,
38:56 I think that would help all of us moving forward.
38:58 And we can handle these one at a time,
39:00 so I’m sure you’re gonna have some questions,
39:02 or if there’s any questions on it, up here.
39:05 - Dr. Sullivan, would you wish to respond?
39:11 - Actually, I already met, prior to this discussion,
39:14 to add the informal list on the website.
39:17 However, with informal requests,
39:19 we don’t always get reasons.
39:22 But if we do receive a reason,
39:23 we can certainly add that if that works for the board.
39:30 - Any objection to showing the reason?
39:33 - I’m sorry, back up.
39:34 So this particular thing is asking us to put a list
39:39 online of the books that are in the process,
39:42 and that have completed the process.
39:45 I’m not sure where the,
39:46 I must have missed something you said about reasons.
39:50 - That was brought up.
39:51 The reason would be seen next to it.
39:53 - So it’s not just titles,
39:54 ‘cause we wanna see where it’s at in the process.
39:56 If it was removed during the informal process,
39:59 it’s good to know, because those,
40:03 I don’t wanna say those books could be hidden,
40:05 but there could be book teachers at schools
40:07 that don’t know why a book was removed from another school.
40:12 So it’s to keep track of a larger list of books
40:17 that they could refer to.
40:18 If that was a new teacher coming in,
40:19 or a media specialist, it would be nice to have,
40:21 ‘cause there is no record of that.
40:23 Right now, if a media specialist
40:25 takes a book out of their library,
40:27 it’s like a tree fallen in a forest and nobody heard it,
40:30 if you’re on the other side of the county.
40:31 So it’s just a way of keeping track of that.
40:33 And if there is, that’s what Dr. Sullivan was saying,
40:35 if sometimes there’s not a reason given,
40:38 just the librarian says, “Yep, it’s off.”
40:41 But if there is a reason that would be–
40:43 - Like the media specialist reason, sorry.
40:45 - Yes. - Gotta get my brain wrapped.
40:46 - Okay.
40:49 - Would this be duplicating something
40:51 in the state processes?
40:52 Because it seems like there is,
40:56 there’s a new, the DOE requirement
41:00 for districts to report, for them to keep,
41:02 just a list of books that have been removed.
41:05 Do they have to have gone through a formal process?
41:09 What is the state requirement from the DOE?
41:12 - So that’s a good question, yes.
41:14 We’ve had to submit those that went
41:16 through the formal process,
41:17 and what the outcomes of those are.
41:19 What we’ve done on our website,
41:22 again, just for the sake of transparency
41:24 and clarity for all, we’ve listed that information.
41:27 Separate from this discussion,
41:29 we found that it would be helpful to our community
41:31 to also put those that have already been
41:33 through informal review to what he’s saying,
41:36 because honestly, I’d rather have it there
41:40 than lots and lots of requests.
41:43 Like we would rather just be transparent in public.
41:46 And there, so we do anticipate a separate process
41:49 to continue some more submitting to the state,
41:53 but I don’t think it’s duplicative.
41:55 I think it’s really easy to have the information
41:58 on our local website current and accurate
42:00 for our families if they wanna review that.
42:02 And I’m inferring that’s what Mr. Trent’s referring to, yeah.
42:08 - Thank you, Mr. Trent.
42:09 Any objections to Mr. Trent’s request?
42:12 I think we’re good.
42:13 Yes, Ms. Jenkins.
42:14 - I’m just, I’m a little confused.
42:17 I feel like part of this request is contradictory
42:22 to something that was discussed
42:23 by the majority of the board previously
42:25 in which there was a conversation to remove the opinion
42:29 of media specialists from the book review committee.
42:32 And so now we’re saying we wanna publish books
42:34 that were voluntarily removed
42:36 by media specialists onto a website.
42:40 And I feel like we’re saying we trust them
42:42 when they wanna remove books,
42:43 but we don’t trust them when we wanna keep them.
42:45 And so I don’t understand this contradiction.
42:49 I don’t see the purpose of that or the value of it.
42:54 Really what it is, is it’s autonomy
42:56 for that media specialist, which is what I always fight for.
42:59 I don’t see the need of putting a list together
43:03 of voluntary polls for media specialists.
43:06 If they were concerned so deeply,
43:08 I’m sure they would bring it to their advisors
43:10 and people above them as well.
43:12 - Okay, Ms. Jenkins, any other further comment on it?
43:15 - Just as a reminder, the involuntary process
43:17 also involves the principal.
43:18 So it’s not necessarily just the opinion
43:22 of the media specialist.
43:25 - Good to go. - Right, absolutely.
43:26 But we removed everyone except board designees
43:29 from the book review committee, is my point.
43:32 - All right, thank you.
43:33 Next topic.
43:37 Yes, we have consensus for board members.
43:39 Thank you, I’m sorry, I’ll do that for you every time.
43:41 Go ahead.
43:43 - Next, it’s actually in order.
43:45 That informal process that we were talking about,
43:47 I don’t believe we’ve actually talked about a timeframe.
43:50 And I believe one calendar week would be a good timeframe
43:55 because it could just sit there.
43:57 - Let’s ask, how much time do you think is better?
44:01 - One calendar week would be extraordinarily difficult.
44:05 Oftentimes they come in with multiple titles
44:08 and the time to turn it around for our office
44:11 to the principals and media specialists
44:13 to actually read the feedback and look at the titles.
44:17 It would be very, very difficult to turn it around in a week.
44:22 I would suggest 30 days and knowing
44:25 that we would more than likely be sooner than that,
44:29 but sometimes the lists are rather lengthy
44:32 and we’re asking them in the middle of a full day
44:35 to pull it, it’s important and we want them
44:37 to pull it and look at it.
44:40 So I certainly think adding a timeline would be appropriate,
44:42 but one week would be extraordinarily difficult.
44:46 - Okay, and I do appreciate their time
44:48 now that they’re, many of them are alone
44:51 in the media centers by themselves.
44:55 The issue was not having one versus having one.
44:58 And I think you can agree with that.
45:00 I’m okay with 30 days.
45:02 What do you guys? - I’m next to a timeline.
45:03 I think a timeline’s good, so 30 days.
45:06 - Any other comments?
45:08 I think the question on the 30 days
45:11 is that in the event that we have a lot of them,
45:14 the issue is to expand with the multiple committees
45:17 so that we could then respond to multiples.
45:20 Does that make sense to you?
45:22 - In that initial informal process,
45:24 I am first working with our media specialists
45:29 at the district level to check the locations.
45:31 That typically takes a couple of days.
45:33 And then I’m emailing the principals
45:35 to collaborate with their media specialists
45:38 and make a determination if based on the feedback
45:41 in an informal review, do they wanna make any changes
45:43 to that book in their collection?
45:44 - Sure.
45:45 - It isn’t until a formal is requested
45:49 that those other things begin.
45:50 - Right, and I just wanted to say
45:52 that I think that if in the event that we get more of them,
45:56 that we have the plan in place to expand if we do.
46:00 I don’t think we’ve had that opportunity yet,
46:02 but if we do, we’d be there, that’s all.
46:04 All right, sorry.
46:07 - Before you go on to the next one,
46:09 you kind of had two requests in that first paragraph
46:12 and we gave consensus on the first two lines,
46:14 but I don’t know that we talked really
46:15 about the second two lines.
46:17 You said books, it says books on this list
46:19 that were either voluntary removed
46:20 or removed after formal review will need permission
46:22 from the school board and school principal
46:23 before they can be brought back in the library classroom.
46:26 We didn’t necessarily discuss that.
46:30 Are you still making that request?
46:34 - Yes, I think it was mentioned not until the back part,
46:39 but yes, yeah, that as well.
46:41 I mean, if it’s out, we certainly don’t want anyone
46:45 other than the school board or that committee,
46:47 which is really the school board,
46:50 to be asked to put that back in.
46:53 For example, if there’s a book that’s on this list
46:55 that really was inappropriate at an elementary school
46:58 or a junior high, but a high school now sees that
47:02 and says, “No, we want it, can we bring it in?”
47:05 You know, we could easily approve that.
47:07 So yeah, I believe we need to be the ones
47:11 approving books to be put back into circulation.
47:14 - Can I ask a point, a clarification point?
47:16 You had mentioned the school board or our committee.
47:19 Are you saying that you would like these
47:20 to the finalization of movement
47:22 would come back to the school board
47:23 or you would like it to be the school board committee
47:26 that we have made up of our members?
47:28 - No, I think what’s written is good.
47:30 It’s a school board, it says and school principal,
47:34 but we could always just have the insight
47:35 from that principal.
47:36 But I do believe that we’re the ones responsible for it,
47:39 so it should start and stop here reinstating on books.
47:42 - So in the event that the committee makes a decision
47:44 one way or the other, the book still comes back to us
47:47 for final approval?
47:49 Or if they go against what–
47:51 - So I think what Ms. Campbell’s talking about
47:53 and myself here is if books are off, they’re on that list,
47:56 if somebody’s petitioning to put them back into schools,
48:00 then that– - After eight years,
48:01 there’s a– - Yeah, there’s a–
48:03 - There’s a eight years,
48:04 the district material review committee’s determination
48:06 is valid for eight years.
48:07 So I think you’re asking what happens after eight years,
48:11 does it mean that, and I had asked
48:13 when we went through this process originally,
48:14 can we have that list to stay?
48:15 It needs to be marked somehow so people know,
48:17 hey, if you’re about to bring this,
48:19 this one went through a challenge process
48:20 however many years ago.
48:23 But you’re asking for it to come back
48:26 if it’s on that eight year determination.
48:31 That it, you know, that it does come
48:33 through whatever process– - Goes through board approval.
48:35 - I wouldn’t say, the principal’s important
48:37 because I’m just gonna throw it out
48:38 that we think about the school board how it is right now,
48:40 but the principals are responsible in this policy
48:45 and through state law for what is in their collection.
48:48 So even if the school board were to say,
48:50 okay, you can have this book back in,
48:52 the principal still needs to have the authority to say,
48:55 not my school ‘cause I know my community.
48:57 So I think that level needs to stay in
49:02 for our individual schools.
49:04 - Just point of clarification, I’m sorry,
49:05 I just wanna make sure we get it right.
49:08 We’re talking about after a formal review now,
49:12 I got, I thought, I just wanna make sure
49:14 we’re not talking informal.
49:16 - No, it was the formal. - At the end of the formal,
49:18 at the end of the eight years,
49:20 if an additional decision were to be made.
49:22 - Perfect, got it.
49:23 Oh wait, okay, well then we need to clarify
49:24 ‘cause on the way you have it written,
49:26 it’s either voluntarily removed,
49:28 which would be an informal or removed after formal review.
49:31 So what are we asking for?
49:41 ‘Cause a voluntary removal would mean that
49:45 if someone came back in and there was not a time limit on it
49:49 I don’t think.
49:53 - If a principal and a media specialist pull a book
49:56 and then that ends the process,
49:59 if they’re all gone, there’s–
50:00 - Unless they go through formal review.
50:02 - Correct, so I mean that is an area
50:04 that you’d even question of the need for an informal,
50:08 but to leave it in there for obvious reasons.
50:16 The fear is or its potential that it’s removed informally,
50:22 so does it still fall under the eight years?
50:27 If it doesn’t, that’s where the issue could come in.
50:30 It gets pulled two months later,
50:34 it shows up in another library,
50:35 it wasn’t formally pulled, it wasn’t on a list formally.
50:41 I’m strong on the fact that any book
50:43 that appears on this list, formal or informal,
50:47 in order for it to go back into a school,
50:49 it needs board approval.
50:52 How do we make that happen?
50:55 - He’s right, so when you think about the book
50:57 that was pulled out of the schools,
50:58 it didn’t go through the formal review process
51:00 that had the pictures in it that were very descriptive.
51:03 That never went through the formal book review process.
51:05 So in essence, if that book doesn’t go
51:08 through the formal review process,
51:10 can it just go back in now
51:12 because we haven’t formally said
51:14 this book is not allowed to be on the shelf?
51:17 So that is a question that needs to be clarified.
51:20 I think we need to make sure
51:21 the policy is very clear on that.
51:25 - So with your expertise,
51:27 that’s our dilemma of having an informal and a formal.
51:30 I even questioned, I talked to Mr. Gibbs earlier,
51:32 about the eight years.
51:35 We don’t put a time limit on our discipline policies.
51:37 I mean, if it’s deemed not appropriate for a school,
51:42 it stays inappropriate to that school and all our schools
51:46 until it comes back through our board.
51:48 So however we can make that happen.
51:50 - The only caution is that with our informals,
51:53 it’s not always school by school.
51:56 And so there’s a potential for a title
51:59 that is at five schools
52:02 and then four choose to pull it.
52:05 That’s when we give that information to the petitioner
52:08 to decide if they wanna put it in the formal process.
52:12 So it’s okay with me.
52:14 I just wanna point out that you might only have two
52:16 voluntarily and one voluntarily pull it.
52:19 - And it might be a situation where
52:22 it was at some middle schools on a high school
52:24 and the middle schools all pulled it
52:26 and the only one that’s left is a high school.
52:28 So the petitioner may say,
52:31 the main thing for me is that it’s all documented,
52:33 that it’s every book is labeled
52:35 so that even the book that was pulled last school year
52:39 in the involuntary process,
52:40 ‘cause the principals all said,
52:41 no, this doesn’t belong in schools, we agree,
52:44 that it’s labeled so that new media specialist,
52:47 new principal can go in and say,
52:48 you know what, just proceed with caution.
52:52 I absolutely value the informal process
52:57 because many of these times our principals
53:01 and our media specialists,
53:03 like I’ve said many times before,
53:05 we don’t need to assume that they knew it was in there.
53:07 Sometimes they didn’t know it was in there
53:09 and they’re able to take care of it right off the bat
53:11 and we don’t have to go through a process
53:13 and make people read hundreds of pages of a book
53:15 that’s highly inappropriate sometimes.
53:17 We don’t have to go through all that
53:19 because they’re taking care of it
53:20 in the responsible way that they take care of things.
53:23 And so the informal process is very valuable
53:26 and I would hate to, I don’t want to remove it.
53:29 And of course, if it is removed in an informal way
53:33 and somewhere down the road someone proceeds
53:36 without looking or they ignore the note or whatever
53:39 that’s put in there and someone brings it back
53:42 and it can go through the challenge process again.
53:44 But honestly, where we are today,
53:46 I just like to say it’s impossible,
53:49 but it’s highly unlikely.
53:52 - If I can propose a suggestion.
53:54 Many of you have seen the list
53:56 that I’ve used to track the books,
53:58 where they’re at, crosses off and those kinds of things.
54:01 We can just post that online.
54:03 I mean, I’m tracking it anyway
54:05 and we can keep that updated
54:07 so that every person can see the circumstance.
54:12 I just as soon be super duper transparent
54:15 and keep that list posted online as well if that works.
54:21 - Good, all right, you okay with it?
54:24 - Yep.
54:26 - Ms. Jenkins, did you want to say anything?
54:28 - No, Mr. Susan.
54:29 - Okay, all right, ready to move on to the next one.
54:32 - Yep.
54:33 - All right.
54:36 So the next one, challenges should be allowed
54:39 to be anonymous.
54:40 Now this is a question mark because I’m gonna need some,
54:43 I’m gonna need some help on this one,
54:45 but the best that we possibly can
54:50 and for obvious reasons of backlash
54:54 and just flat out attacking our constituents out there
55:00 for just asking for the media specialist in the school
55:04 to look at the contents of a book.
55:06 We can give you examples of that.
55:10 But if a petitioner decides to submit anonymously,
55:13 they’ll need to submit some type of paperwork
55:14 to provide public schools administration
55:16 in the form of the formal review paperwork
55:20 and then maybe show some type of ID
55:22 that they are somebody in our county,
55:27 but their name and address will not be recorded
55:29 or made available for public requests.
55:31 So Mr. Gibbs, how can we make this happen?
55:34 - Just pointing that way.
55:35 - Yep.
55:36 - And just so you guys know,
55:38 the reason that we pulled it from before
55:40 was because many people from both sides
55:42 were being attacked with threats from social media.
55:46 And I was fearful that our staff would start to get that too.
55:49 And that’s why we originally pulled it back.
55:51 And then I asked Mr. Gibbs in that moment,
55:53 I said, we’re gonna need to move on,
55:55 possibly trying to keep someone anonymous there.
55:57 And he had said that it was very difficult.
56:00 Go ahead, Mr. Gibbs.
56:01 - I think you’re talking about something different.
56:03 He’s wanting both challenges.
56:05 - No, I know.
56:05 - Filing a challenge to be anonymous.
56:07 I don’t know that there’s as big of an issue
56:09 with filing the paperwork.
56:10 The problem I foresee is normally the challenger
56:13 is able to be a part of the process as outlined.
56:17 They get to come to the meeting,
56:18 they get to address the committee
56:19 on why something is inappropriate
56:21 and have their say in that process.
56:24 If they’re anonymous and they don’t wanna participate,
56:26 then that is not gonna be available to the committee.
56:31 It’s just gonna be a straight up,
56:32 here’s what they filed and now it’s gonna be reviewed.
56:36 If we don’t have a record of it, there’s no public record.
56:39 So if we aren’t taking any information,
56:40 we get public records requests that are anonymous
56:43 and the law allows that.
56:45 So I think the policy can allow for an anonymous challenge.
56:49 It’s just gonna be a matter of making sure it’s done.
56:51 If they email it, it’s not anonymous anymore
56:53 and there’s nothing we can do about it.
56:56 - Is there a way that you can take a look at it
56:59 and make a suggestion to make it?
57:01 - I think you can just say,
57:03 the district will accept anonymous challenges
57:06 and just caution that you have to,
57:07 if you email it, it’s no longer anonymous
57:09 and that’s a public record.
57:10 And so any email to the district,
57:12 that’s why we have those warnings on the bottom.
57:14 - To that particular email address.
57:15 - It’s a public record, yeah.
57:16 So if you email that paperwork from your email address
57:20 with your name on it, that’s a public record
57:23 and it’s not gonna be anonymous.
57:24 - So it sounds like it’s something you can move on.
57:28 - I have a suggestion.
57:31 I think I don’t like the idea of being anonymous.
57:34 I understand, I’ve had conversations with the people
57:36 who are being attacked online or whatever.
57:37 I think the biggest issue was the address and phone number
57:40 because that’s what the form says.
57:41 I think we can easily remove the address
57:43 and phone number from the process.
57:45 As long as there is a point of contact,
57:47 a good email address.
57:49 But let me ask this question first before I keep going.
57:53 Is there anything in our policy
57:55 that would prohibit a board member
57:57 from bringing a book challenge?
57:59 - I don’t think there’s anything in policy.
58:01 - I’m gonna say that.
58:03 I say that because if someone really has a problem
58:06 with bringing that,
58:07 they’re afraid of bringing it for themselves,
58:09 they can pass it on to someone who’s a little more bold
58:12 and if it is seriously an issue beyond that,
58:14 they could even come to one of the five of us
58:16 and say, would you put the challenge in?
58:19 But the idea of anonymously,
58:21 I mean, it’s kind of like when people put an anonymous note
58:24 in the offering plate at church, I didn’t like your sermon.
58:27 You know, I mean, just come on.
58:29 I wanna present the challenge.
58:32 Sorry for the church references,
58:33 but this is the world that I’ve lived in for 25 years.
58:36 But you know, just, I think we can eliminate,
58:40 you know, people do get concerned with their safety,
58:43 especially when addresses are on there, right?
58:45 So I think we can take care of that
58:47 without having to make it completely anonymous,
58:49 but there’s other alternatives to people
58:52 who are afraid to speak up.
58:55 - So Mr. Gibbs, what I hear is,
58:56 yeah, we can have it anonymous
58:58 as long as there’s a contact, which is an email address.
59:00 - If you have an email address
59:02 and there’s communications going back and forth,
59:04 those are public records.
59:05 So it’s not, there’s no exemption for those.
59:08 So if there’s communication going back and forth
59:11 between someone challenging, that is a public record.
59:13 So it is not gonna be anonymous.
59:15 - But the actual idea that somebody can put together
59:18 a email that is non-binding to their name
59:21 and identifying would be possible.
59:23 They just have to communicate through that email.
59:25 - If they have an anonymized email address,
59:27 then yeah, it doesn’t say their name or anything.
59:29 They could potentially do that.
59:31 - Absolutely.
59:32 - We do have a requirement for it to be a residence.
59:36 - And that’s what he was saying.
59:37 They have to come in and show ID
59:39 to drop off the paperwork at the district office.
59:42 So the staff, whoever’s accepting it,
59:45 would have to verify that information upon receipt.
59:48 They just will not document the name or anything, so.
59:52 - If they wanna go through that,
59:53 but I think, to be honest with you,
59:55 what Ms. Campbell was saying is good too,
59:56 is that they have the opportunity
59:58 to bring it to us.
59:58 - And they should.
59:59 But if they, again, if they are allowed
1:00:01 to send it with an email and the cited reasons why,
1:00:04 and they could even follow up with one of us
1:00:06 in that case as well.
1:00:07 But given that opportunity,
1:00:12 if we can put that into that, that would be great.
1:00:15 - I just wanna remind everyone about one of the counties
1:00:18 that received hundreds and hundreds of requests
1:00:23 because of that loophole.
1:00:25 And so you could very much
1:00:28 be setting up chaos for no reason.
1:00:34 I also would argue that the people
1:00:36 who have sent lists and lists and lists
1:00:38 to Brevard Public Schools have publicized
1:00:40 that they did that as well.
1:00:41 So I’m with Ms. Campbell on this one.
1:00:46 If somebody has something they’re really concerned about,
1:00:48 they’re either gonna say it themselves,
1:00:49 to have somebody else say it for them,
1:00:51 or they’re gonna reach out to somebody
1:00:52 at the district via telephone first
1:00:54 and have a conversation about their concern
1:00:56 before they put it in writing.
1:00:58 I don’t know if this is a real issue.
1:01:00 I think it’s gonna cause more problems.
1:01:07 - I mean, so you have Ms. Campbell
1:01:10 and Ms. Jenkins are against it.
1:01:11 Ms. Wright?
1:01:18 - I hear what you guys are saying on both ends of this.
1:01:20 But I also understand the idea
1:01:22 of protecting someone’s identity
1:01:23 because of the backlash that they take from the community
1:01:26 whenever they’re looking at this.
1:01:27 So I would just say I’m in favor of an anonymous thing,
1:01:32 of being allowed to be anonymous.
1:01:35 And then also, again, submit that to the board.
1:01:39 If you have a request and you’re afraid of your identity
1:01:41 and you maybe wanna go that route,
1:01:43 submit it to all of us and let us formally put that forward
1:01:46 instead, or one of us, any of us if they want to.
1:01:49 So I’m in favor of allowing it there to be anonymous.
1:01:53 - I think it would need to be stated very clearly
1:01:55 that if they do it that way,
1:01:56 they’re not gonna get the chance
1:01:58 to make their presentation at the meeting.
1:02:00 So it’ll just be up to.
1:02:02 - Well, and I would also say that the board members
1:02:04 not gonna make that presentation for them either
1:02:06 if they went through one of us, right?
1:02:08 So they lose the ability to have presentation
1:02:12 at the book challenging.
1:02:14 - Okay, so I’m in favor of it also,
1:02:16 so we’ll move forward with it.
1:02:17 Next up.
1:02:19 - All right, so here, books that are in formal review
1:02:22 that do not have documentation of cited passages
1:02:25 that demonstrate possible violation of items
1:02:26 listed under step two, section E can be kept on the shelves
1:02:30 to the end of the formal review.
1:02:34 So again, these are books that are going
1:02:39 into the formal review,
1:02:40 but maybe the challenger just said title ABC,
1:02:45 but there’s no documentation up to,
1:02:47 or cited why that they’re even challenging it.
1:02:52 There’s no need to pull those books off the shelves
1:02:56 if there’s no reason given
1:02:58 that they shouldn’t be there in the first place.
1:03:01 Because that could really stop the needless reviews
1:03:06 or challenges if they’re not stating why.
1:03:10 ‘Cause again, we could have an empty library
1:03:12 if that’s the case.
1:03:13 So these are examples that have been brought up.
1:03:15 - I just am a little unclear
1:03:17 between the informal and formal.
1:03:19 The change that you guys had just previously requested
1:03:22 is once we get a formal request,
1:03:25 it gets pulled off the shelf.
1:03:27 Are we changing that or are?
1:03:32 - So, go ahead.
1:03:34 - The formal requests that are coming to you
1:03:36 are giving you evidence of what’s in the book
1:03:38 on why the formal request is being made, correct?
1:03:40 - Correct.
1:03:41 - Okay, so as long as that substantiated
1:03:43 and it’s with the request,
1:03:44 then that’s, is that what you’re concerned about?
1:03:46 Are you saying you’re worried
1:03:47 that somebody’s just gonna throw a title out there
1:03:49 and now that book is pulled
1:03:50 even though there’s nothing that is in that book
1:03:52 that’s being proven that it could possibly be harmful?
1:03:55 - So in the form, part of the form is I’m filling out
1:03:58 the reason for the request for it to go to formal.
1:04:03 - Can we make something that says that they have to cite
1:04:06 like the page, whatever it is that they’re concerned about
1:04:11 on why they’re pushing forward with the formal?
1:04:13 - Sure, I mean, we do whatever you guys want.
1:04:15 So I just wanna be clear
1:04:17 ‘cause we haven’t pulled books for informal.
1:04:20 The board last time said they have to turn that form
1:04:22 and then we’re pulling the books.
1:04:24 So you’re saying in some cases when they turn the form,
1:04:27 we won’t pull the books.
1:04:28 I just wanna make sure I understand.
1:04:29 - So can I ask you a question
1:04:31 to make sure I’m understanding what you’re asking?
1:04:33 So for example, if someone just said,
1:04:35 I have an objection to Green Eggs and Ham,
1:04:39 we’re not gonna start the formal process
1:04:41 if they haven’t cited on page 30 of Green Eggs and Ham,
1:04:46 this violates whatever, is that?
1:04:51 - Yeah, of all the concerns, this is one that’s pretty low
1:04:54 because the book review committee
1:04:56 can put that right back on the shelves quickly,
1:04:59 but to make sure that it doesn’t turn
1:05:01 into something larger.
1:05:04 - Might I suggest we could asterisk that part of the form
1:05:08 and say this is required and that way we just mark,
1:05:12 kind of like you can’t get past one
1:05:14 unless you fill that out, would that suffice
1:05:17 where we’re saying this is required?
1:05:18 - At least it would create more of an effort of a challenge.
1:05:22 So yes, yes, yes, and yes.
1:05:24 - Hang on a second, are you okay with that?
1:05:27 - Yeah, I mean, as long as it’s clear,
1:05:29 I mean, I just, I don’t know that it needs to go
1:05:31 in the policy, but I understand because I mean,
1:05:32 I’ve already heard of instances where someone just,
1:05:35 honestly, just for to get back at somebody,
1:05:38 well, I’m gonna pull this book
1:05:40 and I’m, you know, just, and ugliness happens.
1:05:42 So yeah, I don’t, it needs to be something.
1:05:44 We can’t judge what they’re citing
1:05:47 because they could pull green egg as a ham and say,
1:05:49 this is whatever, but they’d each actually
1:05:51 have to take the effort.
1:05:52 - But we can compare it to Florida statute and make sure.
1:05:54 - Right, but that would have to go to the process
1:05:56 because then somebody is making,
1:05:57 if they do cite something, even if it’s utterly ridiculous,
1:06:01 if we don’t allow it to go through the process,
1:06:03 then someone is making that call
1:06:05 before it actually gets to the process
1:06:06 and we’re not following the policy.
1:06:09 - We will update the form and bring those suggestions
1:06:13 to you at the next one, two weeks.
1:06:19 - Ms. Jenkins, did you have anything to say?
1:06:22 - No, Mr. Susan, you don’t need to call on me, thank you.
1:06:25 - Okay, sounds like you have a consensus on that one.
1:06:29 Next one up to you.
1:06:30 - All right, so this kind of goes back
1:06:31 to the informal process when I asked you,
1:06:33 but for a timeline and I’m fine with 30 days
1:06:37 and I’m fine with 30 days and we all are up here,
1:06:39 so that was good, but school board members can vote
1:06:42 to fast track any books on the formal review list
1:06:45 and bring them to the top of the list
1:06:46 if they are still on the shelves
1:06:48 while waiting for a formal review to be complete.
1:06:51 So if something comes straight to the board,
1:06:55 we can say this absolutely needs to go to a formal review.
1:07:02 So we don’t have to take it for the full 30 days
1:07:05 if that’s what an informal process has been taking
1:07:07 or if all five of us look at this and say,
1:07:12 yeah, this thing just needs to go to a formal process,
1:07:16 we can do that.
1:07:19 So it’s a fast tracking progress.
1:07:21 I mean, if someone came up tonight and said,
1:07:25 here’s this book we found and this is what it’s saying,
1:07:28 I’m not sure if the right course would be great,
1:07:31 let’s bring it back to the school
1:07:33 and they’ll get back to us within 30 days.
1:07:37 We should have the ability at that point to say,
1:07:40 yeah, this needs to go right to a formal review.
1:07:43 So that means we’d fill out the paperwork,
1:07:45 it would get taken off and it would get,
1:07:47 again, saving the media specialist time and effort.
1:07:51 If it’s something that we say that it needs attention,
1:07:54 we should be able to fast track the process.
1:07:56 - I don’t think this one’s necessary
1:07:57 because of the way we’re handled to what you said before,
1:08:00 because you said right here, if it’s still on the shelves,
1:08:02 ‘cause you had said in the paragraph before,
1:08:04 we keep it on the shelves if they don’t provide a reason.
1:08:06 - Well, it’s gonna be on the shelves
1:08:07 during the informal process.
1:08:09 - Informal, but you’re talking about formal.
1:08:11 So if we update the form and say,
1:08:13 we’re not going to start the formal process
1:08:15 unless you actually put a reason,
1:08:20 the formal process won’t have even been initiated.
1:08:22 - But do we not start all books on an informal basis?
1:08:27 - Yes, but you’re asking here,
1:08:29 school members can vote to fast track any books
1:08:31 on the formal review list and bring them to the top
1:08:35 of the list if they’re still on the shelves,
1:08:36 see paragraph above.
1:08:38 They wouldn’t be on the shelves
1:08:39 because I think we handled it.
1:08:40 You can’t just put a frivolous formal request
1:08:44 without a reason.
1:08:46 And I think that’s what you’re saying,
1:08:47 why we should fast track it.
1:08:48 But now we don’t need to do that
1:08:49 ‘cause if you’re just gonna randomly put a book on there
1:08:53 without a good reason, it’s–
1:08:55 - That kind of does take care of it, doesn’t it?
1:08:57 - Right, I think that takes care of that for us.
1:08:58 - Okay.
1:09:00 We were gonna get one way or the other, so there you go.
1:09:05 - We’re getting it, thank you.
1:09:07 - You good on that one?
1:09:08 - Yes.
1:09:09 - Everybody else good?
1:09:10 - Yes.
1:09:11 - Okay, next up, Mr. Trapp.
1:09:13 - All right, books used by the book committee members
1:09:15 should be the library books that were removed
1:09:17 from the shelves and if needed to utilize the public library
1:09:20 if possible before purchasing new copies.
1:09:23 This was in regards to the previous one
1:09:25 where they were purchasing up to 10 copies of books
1:09:27 that we were gonna turn around
1:09:29 and possibly remove from our libraries.
1:09:31 Again, it’s just a way to save money
1:09:33 and since we’re pulling books in the review process,
1:09:36 we have them.
1:09:38 - Yeah, I love that.
1:09:38 I mean, that makes sense to me.
1:09:42 - You good?
1:09:44 Okay.
1:09:48 I’m good with that.
1:09:49 Next one.
1:09:50 - All right, so this is for the book committee,
1:09:51 so somehow if we can get this accomplished would be great.
1:09:55 Reading cited passages and having an understanding
1:09:57 of the entire work is expected,
1:10:00 but reading the book in its entirety
1:10:02 is not necessary if cited passages
1:10:04 are clearly in violation of Florida statute
1:10:07 and/or items discussed in step two of section E.
1:10:10 For books that remain on the shelf
1:10:11 while waiting for a formal review,
1:10:13 several books can be reviewed at one time
1:10:16 or at one review committee.
1:10:18 - I’m pretty sure Florida statute cleared that up.
1:10:21 They cleared this up, but they not.
1:10:22 When they came through with the book review policy
1:10:24 that said that you don’t have to read the entire book
1:10:26 in its entirety, you’re allowed to pull just the passage.
1:10:29 - It has to be in context.
1:10:32 Sort of, so I’m going back to my interpretation
1:10:37 of the change we made last time
1:10:39 is when I receive a formal request
1:10:42 or Ms. Klein receives a formal request,
1:10:44 we are pulling that book.
1:10:47 And so that’s where I’m unclear.
1:10:50 So typically the informal process
1:10:55 begins with actually even an email, right?
1:10:57 They don’t, they’re asking about a book.
1:11:00 They’re asking where it’s at.
1:11:01 They’re asking the status.
1:11:03 I’m assuming when I get that form,
1:11:06 assuming it’s completed out, I’m pulling the book
1:11:10 ‘cause our new changes,
1:11:11 we’re gonna make sure this section is filled out
1:11:14 pending review, depending on how many books there are,
1:11:17 that review may be soon.
1:11:20 That review may be in a long time,
1:11:23 but I believe based on the previous discussion
1:11:25 of I get a completed form,
1:11:27 I’m gonna notify schools to pull that book.
1:11:29 - Right, so this last sentence for books
1:11:31 that remain on the shelf while waiting for formal review.
1:11:33 - So I don’t think there will be books on the shelf
1:11:35 waiting for formal review is what I’m saying.
1:11:37 - You guys asked to remove the books.
1:11:40 You guys asked for the books to be removed.
1:11:43 - I have a problem with people not reading the entire book
1:11:47 because statute specifically says–
1:11:49 - Contact me. - Fine as a whole.
1:11:50 - Right, it talks about taken as a whole.
1:11:53 And listen, I think if it’s in there
1:11:56 and it’s descriptive, sexually, whatever,
1:11:59 it doesn’t matter if the whole rest of the book is fine,
1:12:01 if this one section, page, whatever.
1:12:03 Yeah, I have a problem with that.
1:12:05 But I still think they need to,
1:12:07 in order to just be above board,
1:12:11 I mean, I don’t like wasting people’s time,
1:12:13 but we need to be honest with the process.
1:12:18 I think what you may be, what you’re trying to get at
1:12:21 is that we can go through it faster
1:12:22 if they don’t have to read the whole entire thing.
1:12:24 They only have to go to the parts that this person said,
1:12:26 this is a problem, this is a problem, this is a problem.
1:12:29 But I don’t know, Paul, that’s a statute thing,
1:12:34 the way that’s worded in the statute.
1:12:37 - To be harmful to minors,
1:12:38 you have to take the whole work into consideration.
1:12:41 So to qualify under statute as harmful to minors,
1:12:45 it’s the work in its entirety, not cited sections of it.
1:12:50 - Right, I think we’re gonna run afoul of our state statute
1:12:54 as well as Supreme Court opinions.
1:12:56 - I can’t say that whether or not the district
1:12:59 couldn’t say, hey, we’re just gonna remove them anyways
1:13:01 just because we don’t like this two sentence line
1:13:04 on page 35.
1:13:07 I mean, that would be a board decision, ultimately,
1:13:10 but you will not be doing it under statute
1:13:13 if you’re not doing the consideration of the work as a whole.
1:13:17 So therefore, you couldn’t say it’s inappropriate
1:13:19 for children or it’s harmful to minors.
1:13:22 - Is that something we can look more into?
1:13:25 - What he’s saying is if you wanted to define it
1:13:27 under those two terms that you would have to do it,
1:13:30 but if it was anything else, you could just say–
1:13:32 - Legally, to be harmful to minors,
1:13:34 it has the test in statute, that’s your test.
1:13:38 So you can’t say it’s harmful to minors
1:13:40 and that’s why we pulled it off the shelves.
1:13:44 If you’re not going through that review
1:13:46 to meet that definition, it has to be reviewed
1:13:49 in its entirety.
1:13:51 - So if you wanted to pull it not saying those terms,
1:13:55 you can still pull it and you can still get it done,
1:13:57 but it has to follow.
1:13:58 - Right. - And our state legislature
1:13:59 is currently proposing removing the test
1:14:02 from the statute itself.
1:14:03 - Right.
1:14:04 - So it’s still there.
1:14:07 - Hope they get to work on that.
1:14:09 - So I just saw Matt–
1:14:10 - Yeah, I’m gonna ask. - I’m pulling the book.
1:14:12 - I’m asking real quick, what is your direction on this?
1:14:17 - I think we, can I–
1:14:18 - Yes, you can. - Just to jump in here,
1:14:20 I think we’re like this two different mindsets happening.
1:14:23 So prior to this policy being changed,
1:14:25 it was taking an extremely long time
1:14:27 to get a book reviewed, right?
1:14:28 But now the policy is being changed,
1:14:31 the books are being removed immediately
1:14:32 and so you’re trying to fast track them being reviewed
1:14:34 to be able to be put back into the school with this policy.
1:14:38 So I think it’s just, to me, I, again,
1:14:45 I am gonna use a horrible analogy,
1:14:47 but if you had a tray of brownies
1:14:49 and it had a little bit of dog poop in it
1:14:51 and you couldn’t see it and you couldn’t smell it
1:14:53 and you couldn’t taste it,
1:14:55 it’s still in there, right?
1:14:56 And so for me, that’s kind of where I’m at with this on.
1:14:59 I know Ms. Klein’s going, “Oh my gosh.”
1:15:01 No, but that’s, I just, to me, I’m like going,
1:15:03 “Hey, I don’t think that it’s appropriate.”
1:15:06 So again, I think
1:15:13 their books don’t remain on the shelf
1:15:14 during the formal review process.
1:15:15 So this is where the sentence is like kind of conflicting.
1:15:17 This is where we’re having a hard time.
1:15:20 Several books can be reviewed at one time
1:15:22 or at one book review committee.
1:15:24 You’re trying to fast track it.
1:15:25 I understand the need for that.
1:15:29 I guess where I’m kind of at an impasse with this is just
1:15:34 the legislature is gonna probably catch up
1:15:35 and this is gonna end up being a mute point
1:15:37 and we’re gonna have to come back
1:15:38 and make it align with statute here pretty soon anyways.
1:15:41 So we can be proactive with it and say,
1:15:43 “Hey, you don’t have to read the entire book.
1:15:45 “You can read just the passage part of it.
1:15:47 “That’s inappropriate.”
1:15:48 That’s where I’m at.
1:15:50 But I don’t know where the rest of the board is.
1:15:51 - Are we able to…
1:15:53 I’ll go back to I think what you were saying, Mr. Gibbs.
1:15:55 Are we able to say this is what we want in Brevard?
1:16:02 - Yeah.
1:16:03 - I think the board can approve or not approve books.
1:16:07 - Okay.
1:16:07 - Are you open for challenge?
1:16:09 I have not reviewed whether or not someone
1:16:11 would be able to challenge that decision.
1:16:12 So I couldn’t say you would be insulated from a lawsuit
1:16:16 saying you’ve deprived my child of access to books
1:16:19 without good cause because you didn’t find
1:16:21 that they were harmful to minors.
1:16:23 I would have to do some research on that piece.
1:16:26 But sitting here right now, you don’t have any obligation
1:16:30 or legal obligation to purchase the books anyways.
1:16:34 The question is, since they’ve been purchased,
1:16:37 can you remove them without it?
1:16:39 And again, I don’t know what the potential for liability
1:16:42 would be on the backside of that.
1:16:44 But you control the materials in your schools.
1:16:48 - I think the appropriate thing would just be to say
1:16:49 this is what we would like to do and have Paul review it
1:16:52 to make sure that it doesn’t violate any of the laws
1:16:54 and it stands up and then bring it back if it’s possible.
1:16:56 And if it’s not, bring it back and say here’s why.
1:16:59 Maybe even reach out to Mr. Trent and explain it to him.
1:17:01 Is that okay?
1:17:02 - Yeah.
1:17:03 - Sound good? - Good.
1:17:04 - All right, next up.
1:17:08 We had a consensus on that.
1:17:09 Okay, thank you.
1:17:10 - Wait, wait, wait.
1:17:11 - A consensus to wait for legal review?
1:17:14 - Yep. - That old paragraph?
1:17:15 - Yep. - Okay, thank you.
1:17:19 - We’re getting to the end of this.
1:17:21 - Get it, get it man. - Thank you so much.
1:17:24 The last issue that I’m gonna bring up
1:17:27 is the concern that what we already have done
1:17:30 on the committee and have put some books on the shelves
1:17:36 that are not appropriate for some of the students
1:17:40 in the school but others.
1:17:42 For example, a book that’s okay for 10th graders
1:17:46 to check out but not ninth graders.
1:17:49 That really puts us at risk.
1:17:53 The media specialists to make sure that that book
1:17:57 would have to be guarded then and be close to them
1:17:59 to make sure it doesn’t need to be checked out
1:18:01 to be read by a ninth grader or an eighth grader
1:18:03 or a seventh grader depending on what,
1:18:06 you know, if you’re a seven through 12 building.
1:18:08 And you could pick up that book and go sit down and read it.
1:18:11 We’ve already deemed it not appropriate for that.
1:18:14 So two things could happen.
1:18:16 Somehow we have to look back and see which ones
1:18:18 we’ve done this for and if you’re gonna keep it
1:18:21 in the school, ‘cause I think moving forward
1:18:23 it’s gonna be an in or out situation.
1:18:25 I’m pretty sure this committee is gonna look at it
1:18:27 and it’s appropriate for this building or it’s not.
1:18:30 But some that they’ve already done that to
1:18:33 maybe needs to go back behind the media specialist
1:18:35 for them to monitor that.
1:18:38 I know there’s some that are back there already
1:18:40 or it gets back into the review process
1:18:44 if it’s appropriate to be in this campus or not.
1:18:47 So this was, media specialists actually reached out
1:18:50 to me and asked about these books.
1:18:53 So what do we think?
1:18:58 - I think we’ve, you know, the state has taken care
1:19:01 of some of this for us because they’ve developed
1:19:02 a new training that all our media specialists
1:19:04 are now having to go through.
1:19:06 And the additional responsibilities and the transparency
1:19:09 and we’re putting all the titles online and all of that.
1:19:12 I think when, this is always going to be an issue.
1:19:15 For example, even in our elementaries because we have
1:19:18 all of our elementaries going from pre-K to sixth grade.
1:19:21 And I’ll just give you an example.
1:19:23 The Hunger Games is on the shelf in many of our
1:19:25 elementary schools because many of our fifth
1:19:27 and sixth graders will read it.
1:19:29 The Hunger Games is not necessarily appropriate
1:19:31 for a second grader and you say, oh they can’t read it.
1:19:33 No, I had a second grader who could read it.
1:19:35 It’s not necessarily appropriate in my mind as a parent
1:19:38 for a second grader and I know that many of our,
1:19:40 I will give you an example, a media specialist
1:19:42 at my children’s school, when they would do the book fair,
1:19:46 the Scholastic Book Fair, they had a sixth grade only table
1:19:49 that unless your parents had given you permission
1:19:51 to go and shop those books.
1:19:52 So they’re always going to be, even in our elementary
1:19:55 setting because you’re talking about seven or eight
1:19:58 possible grade levels in a single school,
1:20:01 there’s gonna be an issue.
1:20:02 Same with our junior seniors.
1:20:04 We’ve got going from seventh to 12th.
1:20:06 Our media specialists are already managing this
1:20:09 in their own way.
1:20:10 In the elementaries it might be if you’re a kindergarten,
1:20:13 first and second grade, you’re over here
1:20:15 until you’re ready for the chapter book section
1:20:17 unless you have special permission.
1:20:18 And then they’re keeping an eye on the kids
1:20:20 who are starting to read at the upper levels
1:20:23 so that they know what’s appropriate.
1:20:24 Same thing with seventh through 12th graders.
1:20:26 I don’t know how they’re managing it.
1:20:27 Those media specialists are rock stars
1:20:29 ‘cause they have to have that extra set of eyes
1:20:32 and really know their collection.
1:20:34 But they really know their collections,
1:20:36 especially the great ones.
1:20:37 They get in there, they get to know them,
1:20:39 they’re more accountable than ever.
1:20:41 So I just hesitate for us to do too much with this
1:20:43 because, and I understand the concern,
1:20:45 but because they’re already having to do it.
1:20:48 And if we get in there and dictate this, that, and the other
1:20:51 we’re ignoring the fact that they’re already doing it.
1:20:54 And that I just don’t know that,
1:20:59 I think our book, when our committee
1:21:01 makes their decision, and you’ve talked about this
1:21:03 in the last paragraph, they make the decision,
1:21:05 they’ve already made some calls,
1:21:06 this is gonna be for this grade and up.
1:21:08 It’s really actually a lot for them to manage
1:21:13 which grades can check it out.
1:21:15 I mean, for the challenge books,
1:21:17 sometimes it’s easier just to put the ones,
1:21:19 to have the committee say,
1:21:20 just put it behind the shelf and they can pull that one.
1:21:23 But we can’t put every book that’s only appropriate
1:21:25 for high school behind the shelf at a junior, senior high.
1:21:30 We’re gonna do that.
1:21:32 They don’t have a big enough section.
1:21:35 It’s just not reasonable.
1:21:36 So I think, I’m not sure that this is practical
1:21:42 to have that kind of a limit.
1:21:48 - May I? - Okay, Ms. Jenkins.
1:21:50 - Yeah, I don’t know the last time
1:21:52 we stepped foot in a library,
1:21:53 but books are categorized by reading level,
1:21:56 by type, by genre, as Ms. Campbell said,
1:21:59 our media specialists are well aware
1:22:01 and this isn’t Walmart.
1:22:03 Kids aren’t self checking themselves out.
1:22:04 Someone has to physically check them out,
1:22:06 click on their face, click on their name and scan that book.
1:22:11 So, it’s insane to me.
1:22:13 We’re talking about this, like this is like drugs
1:22:15 or weapons that kids are gonna go find on the shelf
1:22:17 and go sneak into the corner and take advantage of.
1:22:21 There are plenty of barriers in place.
1:22:26 If there is a book that’s being questioned or challenged,
1:22:28 that media specialist is gonna be well aware of it already
1:22:31 in their library ‘cause they’re the first person
1:22:33 who gets a notice of it.
1:22:35 So they’re not gonna hand over a book
1:22:36 that’s not appropriate for a first grader to a first grader.
1:22:39 They’re just not going to.
1:22:40 And right now, they don’t have assistance
1:22:42 and they’re lucky if they get a volunteer
1:22:44 to help them check in and out books inside of their library.
1:22:46 So they’re more aware than ever before
1:22:49 what kids are taking home.
1:22:53 - Okay, thank you, Ms. Jenkins.
1:22:56 Ms. Wright, would you like to speak on the topic?
1:23:01 - Yeah, here’s where I’m at with this.
1:23:03 When it comes to erring on the side of caution
1:23:05 to protect a child’s innocence,
1:23:06 that’s what we should always do.
1:23:08 The fact that we’re having to argue about these books,
1:23:10 some of the passages that I’ve read are horrific.
1:23:12 They should not be in our school libraries.
1:23:15 If you wanna buy that book for your child, by all means,
1:23:17 that’s your right as a parent to do so.
1:23:19 But again, these policies should be very, very clear
1:23:22 that we are gonna err on the side of caution
1:23:24 and I think that we’re getting there
1:23:25 with being able to remove them.
1:23:27 I’m never gonna be in favor of having a section
1:23:31 of the library that would be a dirty section
1:23:33 or maybe not safe for every kid’s section.
1:23:36 I just don’t think that’s appropriate at all.
1:23:38 So for me, I’m a little bit extreme
1:23:40 in this manner though, so.
1:23:42 - Well, I’m just wondering, what then are you,
1:23:45 what are we, we just need to be super clear
1:23:47 what we’re asking for ‘cause I hear you
1:23:49 and I don’t necessarily disagree with,
1:23:50 but you didn’t necessarily give direction.
1:23:53 What do you want us to do?
1:23:54 What do you want us to look like?
1:23:55 ‘Cause if we’re going to change it,
1:23:57 we’re gonna put in policy or we’re gonna give direction
1:23:58 to staff to make, we need to tell them
1:24:00 what we’re asking for.
1:24:02 - Yep, so Mr. Trent, what is your definition?
1:24:08 - I believe going forward, it’s gonna take care of itself
1:24:11 because I do believe they’re gonna err
1:24:13 on the side of in or out.
1:24:15 They’re not gonna say, odd grades can read this
1:24:18 and even grades can’t.
1:24:19 It’s not gonna be like that.
1:24:23 And that was mentioned about drugs.
1:24:27 I think porn is equally as damaging
1:24:31 to a young person’s mind than drugs.
1:24:34 So it is very important to me, all right?
1:24:36 So, and this was coming from a media specialist
1:24:39 that was asking, what do I do?
1:24:41 And I think in the future, like I said,
1:24:44 it’s taken care of now.
1:24:47 If there is any book that this book review committee
1:24:51 in the past has said, it’s good for 10th and above.
1:24:55 I mean, I would really like the err on the side of it
1:24:58 needs to be behind the librarian
1:25:00 or the media specialist.
1:25:03 - That’s only been one book.
1:25:04 I mean, and if we wanted to, as a board,
1:25:06 to avoid that situation, we could, I mean,
1:25:10 what we haven’t done is prescribed to the committee
1:25:14 what they can and cannot do.
1:25:16 In fact, we came up with that first meeting.
1:25:17 It was get rid of all of them or let it all stay
1:25:20 and they came up with other, right?
1:25:22 They all voted other, if you’ve watched the video.
1:25:24 And the other was that particular book decide
1:25:27 this is for 18 and up because it’s an adult book.
1:25:29 So it’s gonna go behind the shelf.
1:25:31 And if you’re not 18, you have to have specific–
1:25:35 - Since it’s being one book, should we–
1:25:37 - That book was separate.
1:25:39 The second book that has been done,
1:25:40 there’s only been two, right?
1:25:41 The second book, they decided 10th and up.
1:25:44 So it was a problem then if we wanna give
1:25:46 some more parameters as to what they can and cannot do
1:25:48 to not cause problems.
1:25:49 I don’t know, I do think some of this is going to,
1:25:53 we gotta let the process have a chance to work.
1:25:56 Personally, I’m kind of frustrated
1:25:58 that we can’t just move forward.
1:25:59 ‘Cause right now, we do have a policy.
1:26:02 But functionally, we do not have a policy
1:26:05 because we keep pulling this one back.
1:26:06 So like I said, I think it’s going to work.
1:26:11 And we’re going to have, we have a committee made up
1:26:14 of what it’s going to be now.
1:26:18 But again, I’m just, we’re not clear yet, what do you want?
1:26:21 Make it clear what you want.
1:26:23 Are you saying any book that in the committee,
1:26:25 this is talking about books
1:26:26 that have gone through the committee.
1:26:27 We’re just saying that then what you’re asking
1:26:30 seems like is to define for the committee
1:26:33 what their options are.
1:26:35 You can say we’re not gonna have this book
1:26:37 in Brevard Public Schools at all.
1:26:38 Or we can say it’s going to only be allowed
1:26:42 in high schools or because then the problem with that is
1:26:48 this one is 10th and up, but it’s a ninth.
1:26:50 What about a junior senior?
1:26:51 If we say it’s okay for high school,
1:26:53 that’s what I said, we can’t have a section
1:26:54 that only seventh graders can only go to this.
1:26:56 - And that’s what we said going forward.
1:26:57 It’s gonna be a yes or no for that.
1:27:00 So if we’re, I don’t want to dwell on the past
1:27:04 of if it is just one or two books.
1:27:06 We’ll, I think we’ll just keep it as,
1:27:10 if it’s already there and they’re managing it, so be it.
1:27:14 I don’t want it there at all.
1:27:16 And again, it’s not going to be that much
1:27:18 of an issue moving forward.
1:27:21 So I can, I said I would bring it up.
1:27:23 I can always go back and say this is,
1:27:26 it’s in your library, we’ll deal with it.
1:27:29 - Yes, sir, just to mention that the books
1:27:32 that we’ve had thus far have been predominantly
1:27:35 high school titles, and it’s been very clear
1:27:38 that they’re not appropriate for younger grades.
1:27:40 I just want to make sure our policy can withstand
1:27:43 a title that’s perhaps in our elementary grades
1:27:46 or the committee would say is appropriate for older grades.
1:27:49 And so just in terms of longevity of the policy,
1:27:53 I do think we have to specifically do that
1:27:56 because we might be looking at a title
1:27:58 that we want to say no to elementary,
1:28:00 but okay for high school.
1:28:03 So that’s my only in the yes, no category.
1:28:06 There is still some gray area,
1:28:09 just the titles we’ve done so far
1:28:11 have just been high school relevant and middle school.
1:28:13 - Right, correct.
1:28:15 - Yeah, I need to follow up on one thing that was said.
1:28:21 Mr. Tren, I hear that you say porn
1:28:24 is equally as damaging as drugs.
1:28:27 I want to remind you if there’s porn and pornography,
1:28:31 it’s already against state statute
1:28:33 and it wouldn’t even be behind the shelf.
1:28:36 So the things that we’re talking about
1:28:39 have to go through the committee
1:28:41 and be okay with the state statute that already exists.
1:28:45 - Great point, Ms. Jenkins.
1:28:46 Are we all okay with the direction?
1:28:48 Do you feel pretty good with?
1:28:49 - Well, I don’t think we clarified
1:28:50 the elementary versus our older kids.
1:28:54 We need to–
1:28:54 - Oh, I thought he had, okay, I apologize.
1:28:56 - My understanding was he was pulling back.
1:28:58 Are you pulling back from this suggestion, Mr. Trent?
1:29:00 ‘Cause it sounded like you were.
1:29:01 - We were on that,
1:29:02 but Dr. Sullivan brought up another situation
1:29:07 that I think Ms. Wright is piggybacking on.
1:29:11 Is that it?
1:29:12 ‘Cause this wasn’t that ninth grade,
1:29:14 ninth grade wasn’t an elementary high school issue.
1:29:17 - Right.
1:29:18 - I think she was just saying,
1:29:19 if we continue to change it, we’re gonna cause a problem.
1:29:22 - I have heard from, because we do need to,
1:29:24 it needs to outlive this board, this situation.
1:29:28 We have to think forward on all of our policies.
1:29:30 Not that they’re permanent, because they can be changed.
1:29:33 But let’s say if we ever developed a K-8.
1:29:37 You know?
1:29:40 I know, take a breath, but it’s not impossible, you know?
1:29:44 I mean, we have to think,
1:29:45 I mean, are the media specialists of that school
1:29:47 is gonna have to manage that situation.
1:29:49 - Can we not have like an elementary leading and learning,
1:29:52 and a secondary leading and learning committee,
1:29:53 like that, so they’re separate to some degree, right?
1:29:55 - But I’m just saying, whatever the committee decides,
1:29:58 that book is still gonna be in the,
1:30:02 are we saying in a K-8 where a book might be appropriate
1:30:05 for a middle school, middle schooler,
1:30:07 and the committee says, this is fine for middle school,
1:30:08 but it’s not okay for elementary.
1:30:10 What’s a K-8 media specialist?
1:30:12 If you’re going where I think you’re going,
1:30:14 in that situation, we put it in policy,
1:30:16 then a media specialist at a K-8
1:30:18 is gonna have to just pull the book,
1:30:20 and not have it at all.
1:30:23 So I think we need to let this,
1:30:25 you know, for the one book that we have, the one book,
1:30:29 and listen, I know where these came from,
1:30:30 I know who they came from.
1:30:32 And it wasn’t you originally,
1:30:34 but I’m just for the one book we’re talking about,
1:30:35 where they said 10 and up, everybody knows,
1:30:38 a parent can still submit a letter to the school
1:30:41 if they know, and say, I don’t want my child
1:30:43 reading this book, they’ll put it in the notes,
1:30:45 and they can make sure that doesn’t happen.
1:30:47 I don’t think we need to keep, you know,
1:30:50 know that that will continue to happen,
1:30:52 but for that particular book, you know,
1:30:54 I think we’re good there, so.
1:30:57 - Just to clarify though, ‘cause I wanna ask,
1:30:59 I’m just, I wanna be clear on this,
1:31:01 so if a book is challenged at the elementary level,
1:31:04 it’s pulled from all schools, period.
1:31:05 Is that what you’re saying to me?
1:31:06 I mean, I think in the policy we do need to be clear,
1:31:09 because there are books that are going to be appropriate
1:31:12 for older kids that may not be appropriate
1:31:14 for elementary learners.
1:31:15 - Yeah, I’m thinking Ms. Klein and I can work out
1:31:18 some form issues with grade bans,
1:31:21 if the board would like us to work up some solutions,
1:31:25 where we have time to think about
1:31:27 how we can address grade bans,
1:31:29 and in the form that they submit,
1:31:30 and potentially a form as the outcome of the hearing,
1:31:34 you know, that everybody would sign,
1:31:36 that clusters by grade bans,
1:31:38 if the board would be amenable to that.
1:31:40 - I would be in favor of that, I’d be.
1:31:42 Anybody else?
1:31:44 Maybe three could be in favor of this.
1:31:47 - Oh, I think, yeah.
1:31:48 Definitely, I would appreciate that work so much.
1:31:50 - Thank you, guys.
1:31:51 - So you guys are gonna make it?
1:31:53 - Yes.
1:31:58 - Are you okay now?
1:31:59 - Yeah, we’re gonna work on it.
1:32:00 - Good, okay.
1:32:01 Next up.
1:32:02 - So lastly.
1:32:04 - I thought he said lastly on the last one.
1:32:05 I thought I heard him say, I thought I heard him say lastly.
1:32:08 I thought I heard him, whoa, my gosh.
1:32:12 - Lastly, I just wanted to be on record to know
1:32:14 that this is not coming from the board or you,
1:32:18 or even the state, that any teacher is being asked
1:32:21 to remove every book out of their classroom, okay?
1:32:24 That is not going on.
1:32:26 So I’ve been fielding phone calls in this county,
1:32:32 that they are being asked.
1:32:34 It is not from us or from this district.
1:32:36 I just wanna be clear.
1:32:38 So I know we’re being recorded.
1:32:41 - And Mr. Tren, I appreciate that.
1:32:42 There was a lot of confusion and fear
1:32:46 when this first started,
1:32:48 where those communications were going out,
1:32:50 but it was in a sense to protect staff,
1:32:52 not to manage what they were doing.
1:32:55 Because when this law was originally passed,
1:32:57 there was no actual guidance to the districts
1:33:00 in how to enact the law.
1:33:02 And so unfortunately,
1:33:04 those rumors are still existing out there.
1:33:07 So thank you for clarifying again.
1:33:08 - Sure, and that was recent.
1:33:10 It was over in the last week.
1:33:12 So I just wanna make sure that wasn’t coming out.
1:33:15 - So no, we are not asking for a lot of class.
1:33:17 - I know you’re not.
1:33:18 - Yes, but we are looking at a tool, electronic tool,
1:33:24 to help our classroom teachers
1:33:27 make their classroom libraries
1:33:31 a online searchable document.
1:33:34 - Oh, very nice.
1:33:35 - So we’re looking at that right now.
1:33:37 - Thank you. - Thank you.
1:33:38 - As fast as you can on that.
1:33:41 All right, well, thank you very much.
1:33:42 That finishes up board policy 2521.
1:33:44 Next topic is athletics.
1:33:47 Everybody understands that Dr. Schiller and I
1:33:50 met a couple months ago,
1:33:52 set direction to put this on a discussion topic.
1:33:55 We met yesterday and last week over this,
1:33:58 and he said that he wants to come forward
1:34:00 on the 28th afterwards and pull it all together.
1:34:02 So we have an opportunity for Mr. Ramjet to present
1:34:05 with others on athletics.
1:34:07 If you guys can please come forward.
1:34:09 Mr. Parr, hang on just a second.
1:34:10 Mr. Parr and all you guys can take the front rows.
1:34:13 I think Mr. Ramjet, Mrs. Aguirre
1:34:16 had your presentation on the thing.
1:34:18 Can you show him how to do that for him and stuff like that?
1:34:21 So if you guys can come forward.
1:34:23 Mr. Ramjet, you should have it on there.
1:34:25 I see Sean.
1:34:27 Hey guys, how you doing?
1:34:29 - Mr. Chairman.
1:34:30 - Yeah, just hang on just a second.
1:34:31 If you guys will come forward and sit at the tables.
1:34:33 These are the ones with the microphones.
1:34:35 Is that cool?
1:34:36 - Mr. Chairman, before we begin,
1:34:42 I know you just talked about the presentation and all that,
1:34:45 but I have concerns with us having this discussion.
1:34:48 This was brought up by a board member request,
1:34:51 at your request for us to have this discussion.
1:34:53 When we have discussion items as a board,
1:34:55 it’s usually a time for us to start thinking about
1:34:57 and then trying to get some direction to the staff.
1:35:00 You just alluded to it that the direction
1:35:02 was already given to Dr. Schuller.
1:35:03 Dr. Schuller has had a task force made up of six ADs,
1:35:06 I believe, human resources, transportation facilities.
1:35:10 They’ve been meeting and working on it.
1:35:11 They’re working on a presentation.
1:35:13 It’s my understanding on March 28th.
1:35:15 So I’m not really sure why we are going to have
1:35:19 a staff member present their own presentation
1:35:23 that they’ve been putting together,
1:35:25 just so the rest of the board knows outside of the task force
1:35:29 that Dr. Schuller has put together, a separate presentation.
1:35:33 I find that to be highly inappropriate.
1:35:36 And I see that guests have been invited.
1:35:40 We’ve had, when we have discussion items,
1:35:42 discussion items, we’ve got people here.
1:35:46 And you know, when we had our meeting in December,
1:35:48 we had this conversation about no surprises.
1:35:50 We’ve had it several times since then.
1:35:52 We should not be walking in as board members.
1:35:55 Now, all of a sudden, recognizing that we’re supposed
1:35:58 to be having a discussion, but yet,
1:36:00 there’s an agenda already set by you
1:36:03 with guests who are coming.
1:36:04 These people are not here at the invitation
1:36:07 of the superintendent.
1:36:08 All the board needs to understand that.
1:36:10 I’m not sure where the invitation came out.
1:36:12 If it came from you, if it came from Dr. Ramjet.
1:36:15 But these people, Dr. Schuller, can you confirm that for me?
1:36:18 These people are not here at your invitation.
1:36:19 - That is correct.
1:36:21 - Okay, so here we have an interim superintendent
1:36:23 that we have brought in.
1:36:25 No offense to the people who have come, love the work.
1:36:27 We may be presenting fantastic ideas,
1:36:29 but I have, when we, Dr. Schuller’s already been tasked
1:36:32 with this, we brought him in for his excellent experience
1:36:35 in so many districts across the country.
1:36:38 I think what’s about to happen is highly inappropriate.
1:36:41 - Okay, so can I–
1:36:42 - And we let the task force that he’s,
1:36:44 and trust their, his professionalism, their professionalism,
1:36:47 because I think we’re about to offend the people
1:36:49 who have been doing that great work,
1:36:51 which includes six, at least six ADs.
1:36:55 - So thank you for that.
1:36:56 At no time did Dr. Schuller ever say
1:36:58 that he wanted to bring forward a presentation with that.
1:37:00 Him and I had had discussions about a month and a half ago
1:37:03 about putting athletics on during this time.
1:37:05 So what I did was, as I put the athletics on here,
1:37:09 and we’re talking about discussing.
1:37:11 At no point are we making decisions on anything.
1:37:14 We are being appropriately given a presentation,
1:37:17 which is what we have during discussions,
1:37:18 and we’re doing that moving forward.
1:37:20 There’s no issue, there’s no asking you
1:37:23 to make decisions based on anything.
1:37:24 This was something that we discussed before.
1:37:26 Dr. Schuller and I put it on there,
1:37:28 and at no time had we before done this.
1:37:31 I don’t think that, I think the inappropriate piece is,
1:37:34 is that athletics is a component.
1:37:35 Dr. Schuller is in charge of that from the district.
1:37:38 He’s been part of those meetings that you’ve been meeting,
1:37:40 or Dr. Ramjet is a part of those meetings,
1:37:43 and I had a discussion with Dr. Schuller earlier
1:37:45 that said that this is great, we’ll move forward.
1:37:47 He can present, and then Dr. Schuller’s gonna come back
1:37:49 with the finalized policy recommendations,
1:37:52 and at that point is where we’re moving forward.
1:37:54 So I don’t know where the confusion is at.
1:37:57 - I don’t think that’s true, Dr. Schuller.
1:37:58 - Dr. Schuller, didn’t we meet today, and you said, okay,
1:38:00 I’ll come back on the, we did today.
1:38:02 And to be honest with you,
1:38:04 I put this on the agenda per a conversation.
1:38:07 Dr. Schuller never brought it up until yesterday
1:38:09 that he had had a situation and an issue with it.
1:38:12 So here we had all of these things moving forward,
1:38:14 and I don’t think it’s inappropriate to have the guy
1:38:17 that we’d said that would come forward to do it,
1:38:19 and then present in front of us,
1:38:20 as long as we’re not giving any kind of direction.
1:38:22 And I don’t, he’s the head of athletics.
1:38:24 He’s been here for two years.
1:38:25 - I understand that, but what’s inappropriate
1:38:27 is to have a staff member and assistant director
1:38:30 develop and present a plan outside,
1:38:33 and circumventing the authority of his supervisor,
1:38:38 which is the superintendent,
1:38:41 developing a plan outside of–
1:38:43 - Nobody here is asking for any kind of direction
1:38:46 to be given. - The task force.
1:38:48 We are going to be reviewing, I hope we have the time,
1:38:51 we were charged with reviewing our policies,
1:38:54 our bylaw policies in the zeros,
1:38:55 and our policies in the 1000s.
1:38:57 I know that we’ve been, that was what we were tasked for.
1:39:00 There are so many things in those policies
1:39:02 that define the role of the board,
1:39:05 the role of the superintendent.
1:39:07 It is not appropriate for a staff member
1:39:09 who is a subordinate to the superintendent
1:39:13 to develop a presentation to present to us
1:39:17 outside of the authority of the superintendent
1:39:20 who is already doing the same work,
1:39:22 and is doing it in collaboration with other staff members.
1:39:26 And you said that Dr. Schiller did not tell you that he was,
1:39:29 and I actually know that that is not necessarily true.
1:39:33 Dr. Schiller, did you not tell,
1:39:35 ‘cause I asked you how that was going,
1:39:37 and you said, “I was preparing stuff
1:39:38 “to be ready on March 28th.”
1:39:40 - So I will say again that I put this on the agenda,
1:39:44 and as a board chair, I can call a special meeting.
1:39:47 I can ask for any kind of a topic to come up.
1:39:50 If you remember, we went ahead in mask mandate
1:39:53 with a school board chairman
1:39:55 calling a mask mandate meeting on Friday for Monday
1:39:58 to have people present and push a policy.
1:40:01 That is the truth, and you have the authority to call it.
1:40:04 So this was not a just circumstantial issue.
1:40:08 This was something that we’ve discussed,
1:40:09 we put on the calendar, and I did not know
1:40:12 that this was an issue that he was presenting
1:40:14 and all these other things until yesterday.
1:40:16 And had we done that, we discussed it,
1:40:18 it wouldn’t be that big of a deal.
1:40:20 But when you have the man that’s the head of athletics
1:40:22 and you’re asking him to give a presentation
1:40:24 over topics that we should probably listen to,
1:40:27 and you have Dr. Schiller coming in for a final policy,
1:40:29 I don’t think that there’s a problem with that.
1:40:31 I have authority– - Who asked this person
1:40:33 to do the presentation? - I am speaking, Ms. Campbell.
1:40:35 So you have presented– - Mr. Susan,
1:40:36 you talked over her as well. - I am speaking,
1:40:39 Ms. Campbell and Ms. Jenkins.
1:40:41 The issue is is that we have an agenda to go through,
1:40:43 you’ve made your points.
1:40:44 We have complete right to have him present,
1:40:46 and I would like him to present, that’s it.
1:40:49 - So you directed the assistant?
1:40:51 - No, we met together and we put it on the agenda.
1:40:55 - Dr. Schiller, did you ask Dr. Ramdutt?
1:40:56 No, no, I don’t need an answer to this question
1:40:58 because we’re violating policy.
1:41:00 - They’re not violating policy. - Dr. Schiller,
1:41:02 did you ask Dr. Ramdutt to develop this presentation?
1:41:05 - No. - Ford?
1:41:07 - And am I allowed to call a meeting?
1:41:10 Yes, am I allowed to put something on the agenda?
1:41:12 Yes, am I allowed to have somebody present?
1:41:16 Yes.
1:41:16 - Are you allowed to go to a staff member
1:41:18 and direct them to do something?
1:41:19 - I did not.
1:41:20 I put it on the agenda and asked him long time ago
1:41:23 if he would be prepared to do it.
1:41:24 He said sure, so I put it on there.
1:41:27 - So you asked Dr. Ramdutt,
1:41:29 you asked an assistant director to do something.
1:41:31 - I, oh my, is it okay if they present?
1:41:34 - I guess I’m confused.
1:41:36 I’m like, what is happening right now?
1:41:37 I’m not really sure.
1:41:38 - This has been on the agenda since the 20th of February,
1:41:41 so I assumed we were obviously gonna,
1:41:44 some kind of presentation. - Have a presentation.
1:41:46 - But I don’t know. - Discussion.
1:41:47 So it was put on the agenda by Mr. Susan
1:41:50 in the manner that we each can by letting Tammy know,
1:41:53 hey, can we put it on for discussion?
1:41:55 Is this any other topic we put on for discussion?
1:41:57 It was not put on by Dr. Schiller.
1:42:01 And when we talk about agenda development,
1:42:03 the agenda by our bylaws are supposed to be developed
1:42:07 by the superintendent in conjunction with the chairman.
1:42:12 So there’s two issues.
1:42:13 One is we can put things on for discussion.
1:42:16 We can put things on for discussion all day long.
1:42:18 We can by submitting that to Tammy,
1:42:20 knew the chair, looks at it, the superintendent,
1:42:22 to have that discussion.
1:42:24 Discussion.
1:42:25 A presentation is different.
1:42:26 And as a board member,
1:42:28 we should not be circumventing the authority
1:42:31 of the superintendent to go to a staff member
1:42:35 and ask them to do work for us,
1:42:37 especially outside that is not our authority to do.
1:42:41 And like I said, again,
1:42:42 it is on top of violating our policy.
1:42:46 It is insulting unprofessional to the task force
1:42:50 who is doing this work in a comprehensive manner,
1:42:54 facilities, human resources, transportation,
1:42:57 is my understanding from the questions that I have asked.
1:43:00 It is very inappropriate for a staff member
1:43:04 to be circumventing that process.
1:43:06 It is very appropriate for a board member
1:43:07 to ask a staff member to do that.
1:43:09 And again, the superintendent has a plan that’s being worked.
1:43:13 They have met several times ‘cause I’ve asked that question.
1:43:17 And they’re preparing a presentation for us
1:43:19 to address the issues in athletics.
1:43:22 So board, I’m just letting you know,
1:43:23 if we continue this, we have potential issues
1:43:27 violating our policy.
1:43:28 And certainly we have already had evidence
1:43:30 that a board member went around the authority
1:43:33 of the superintendent to task a staff member,
1:43:36 which we don’t have direct authority over anyone,
1:43:38 but two, as a board, as a whole, not an individual,
1:43:42 two employees, and that is the superintendent
1:43:44 and the district and our board attorney.
1:43:46 - Okay, so many times throughout our careers,
1:43:49 we’ve always asked staff to do something,
1:43:50 whether that’s a request for public information,
1:43:52 whether that’s all these different pieces.
1:43:54 There’s no issue there.
1:43:55 Having something put on the agenda prior to ever knowing
1:43:59 that there was a committee that was being formed,
1:44:01 prior to ever knowing that there was a meeting on the 28th.
1:44:05 Dr. Schiller, when did I find out
1:44:07 about your meeting on the 28th?
1:44:09 It would have been last Friday that this was an issue.
1:44:12 And then you didn’t ask me to officially pull it
1:44:14 until yesterday, is that correct?
1:44:17 - No.
1:44:18 - Okay, then when is it that you came to me
1:44:20 and told me that you had an issue with this
1:44:22 and you wanted me to pull it?
1:44:25 - Last week, one day. - No, no.
1:44:27 - Between two o’clock and 7.30.
1:44:29 That is not, you never asked me to pull the agenda item.
1:44:32 - I have put in writing and I’ve told you verbally, sir,
1:44:36 my best advice was that it is not the right time
1:44:40 to put the proposal or the presentation on,
1:44:43 ask you to consider withdrawing.
1:44:46 - So here’s what it is,
1:44:47 is that we already had the thing on the agenda.
1:44:50 We were sitting there for a long time with it on there.
1:44:54 And at no time was this committee
1:44:56 that has only been together for two, maybe three weeks.
1:45:00 And then you have the guy
1:45:01 that was actually in charge of athletics
1:45:04 and just ask him to give a presentation
1:45:06 and then we can discuss and we can move forward
1:45:08 and Dr. Shiller brings it back.
1:45:09 We had a discussion today, Dr. Shiller,
1:45:12 where you and I said that we have him present
1:45:15 and then you come back on the 28th.
1:45:17 Is that not what we talked about?
1:45:18 - That’s partially correct.
1:45:19 - Yes, so I like– - Partially.
1:45:21 - I will tell you, there is no issue here
1:45:24 besides a discussion.
1:45:25 There is no board direction besides.
1:45:28 But I could call a special meeting and say,
1:45:31 I wanna have a special meeting athletics
1:45:33 and I wanna give direction on it.
1:45:34 We mask mandated this thing.
1:45:36 So there’s no, hang on, Ms. Campbell,
1:45:38 because you say, hang on, I am going to go.
1:45:41 The other issue is, is that there is no problem
1:45:44 with me calling a meeting, me calling an item on the agenda.
1:45:48 You spoke to the agenda process.
1:45:50 The agenda process is that Dr. Shiller and staff
1:45:53 develop an agenda.
1:45:54 They bring it forward, once it’s published, it’s my agenda.
1:45:57 I can then remove or add any item that I would like.
1:46:01 There is no issue there.
1:46:02 I never sat there and brought this up as a issue.
1:46:07 And we are literally have community people
1:46:10 that are here to present in a non-policy driven nothing,
1:46:15 just to present on some of the issues.
1:46:16 And you’re making it as if there’s some kind
1:46:19 of major issue here and it’s not.
1:46:21 It’s the guy that’s been in charge for the last two years
1:46:23 making a presentation over something
1:46:25 that Dr. Shiller and I talked about.
1:46:27 Shiller and I talked about to set it on the calendar
1:46:30 as we met yesterday to set all of the other topics
1:46:34 that we have later on.
1:46:35 So we sat there and said, all of these other topics
1:46:38 that we had, I have the whiteboard where it says
1:46:41 where we were going to put the dates in.
1:46:43 So all I did was put it on the agenda
1:46:45 per what our discussion was.
1:46:47 Then when it comes up, it sits there for a week.
1:46:50 There’s nobody on there.
1:46:51 And then Dr. Shiller had concerns about something else
1:46:54 rather than the actual presentation.
1:46:56 And then it goes through the whole process.
1:46:59 And then yesterday for the first time, the 28th is coming,
1:47:02 we’re gonna do these different things.
1:47:03 And Dr. Shiller and I met today and he said,
1:47:06 we can meet today and then I’ll come back on the 28th.
1:47:09 I was like, okay.
1:47:10 So there’s not, I don’t understand if the board chair
1:47:13 is not allowed to call for a meeting.
1:47:15 I think that it’s inappropriate that we ask some
1:47:17 of our leaders inside the community to come in and speak.
1:47:20 And it’s just for discussion.
1:47:22 And I don’t know where you would have an issue with that.
1:47:25 - I’m gonna address one thing I’d like Dr. Shiller
1:47:27 to get a chance to speak more than just a yes or no answer.
1:47:31 Absolutely, in our policy, by our bylaws,
1:47:34 the chairman can call a meeting.
1:47:38 The chairman or any other board member
1:47:41 should not be directing staff to develop.
1:47:44 presentation except for the superintendent. The superintendent
1:47:50 is
1:47:50 already working on a presentation. You asked a staff member
1:47:55 outside of the
1:47:56 chain of authority to develop a presentation to invite the
1:48:00 guests to
1:48:01 come and speak to us to do work outside of his authority which
1:48:06 is the
1:48:07 superintendent. I am very sorry guys that you are even having to
1:48:12 sit in here and
1:48:12 deal with all of this and it’s nothing against you. You know
1:48:15 that I love all of
1:48:16 you but this is about governance. This is about governance. What
1:48:22 did you say Mr.
1:48:23 Pong? This is about governance and our role as a board and I
1:48:27 would like Dr. Shiller to have a chance. And we may go on and
1:48:30 the board you know if the
1:48:31 board wants to go ahead and hear it and we come back on the 28th
1:48:34 again that will
1:48:35 look we’re in the superintendent search process and what does it
1:48:39 look
1:48:39 like for the public to realize that a board member can go around
1:48:43 the
1:48:43 superintendent and ask staff to do something outside of their
1:48:46 authority so
1:48:47 Dr. Shiller would you I mean where when when you look at your
1:48:52 vast experience
1:48:53 from coming all over the place what is the proper process that
1:48:55 we should be
1:48:56 following. Let me begin by just circulating to the board a copy
1:49:07 again of
1:49:07 the pertinent policies that govern the role of the board the
1:49:12 powers of a board
1:49:14 as defined by Florida statutes and your policies and the
1:49:18 guidelines that you all
1:49:21 signed. With your permission I might want to point some of these
1:49:36 out. We have
1:49:37 gone through these it might be worthwhile to put everything in
1:49:39 context
1:49:40 before I go specifically into this particular agenda item which
1:49:45 was not
1:49:45 generated by me the present then the presentation has not been
1:49:49 authorized or
1:49:50 approved for public consumption by me and until I received a 631
1:49:57 a.m. this
1:49:57 morning and reviewed it with his author at noon until the moment
1:50:02 I walked in
1:50:03 here I was told that no one else has seen this presentation nor
1:50:08 has it been
1:50:09 time phase but if I would point out that you’ve seen this you
1:50:14 understand the
1:50:15 definitions and the law under which I am charged by law and by
1:50:20 my employment
1:50:21 agreement to operate under which speaks about many of the items
1:50:27 that are under
1:50:28 review here and this is nothing personal this is just simply as
1:50:33 pointed out I
1:50:33 think a very important threshold point to clarify and for us to
1:50:39 all internalize
1:50:40 what our respective roles and powers and authorities are and if
1:50:45 I might just I
1:50:47 apologize on pedantic but it speaks to on 122.1 member powers
1:50:56 and it speaks to in
1:50:58 the second paragraph the general powers of the board in number
1:51:02 122 our
1:51:04 determination of educational policies the adoption of such rules
1:51:08 and
1:51:08 regulations to supplement those and it goes on but that goes on
1:51:14 to district
1:51:15 organization 1001 this policy and these are anchored into the
1:51:21 Florida statutes
1:51:22 this second paragraph the superintendent shall be the chief
1:51:27 executive officer of
1:51:27 the district and shall define and it goes on but the bottom line
1:51:32 is that the
1:51:33 responsibility and the third paragraph speaks shall flow clearly
1:51:37 from the
1:51:38 superintendent through the administrative staff to the
1:51:40 operational
1:51:40 personnel and that excludes the two board of the two board
1:51:45 employees of the
1:51:47 board council and the superintendent and it goes on as you can
1:51:52 see but I would
1:51:53 draw your attention to 1030 again anchored in the Florida
1:51:59 statutes on the
1:52:01 second page second sentence the superintendent shall be directly
1:52:06 responsible to board for performance of the following duties and
1:52:08 responsibilities a keep the board informed of school operation
1:52:13 by
1:52:14 preparing board agenda and providing oral and written
1:52:17 communications and so
1:52:18 forth and requesting special board meetings that become
1:52:21 necessary to keep
1:52:22 the board properly informed G speaks to prepare reports to the
1:52:28 board on the
1:52:28 conditions of the school district K to direct and supervise the
1:52:35 work of all the
1:52:36 schools offices employees of the board and they shall be
1:52:41 subordinate to the
1:52:41 superintendent in all matters including those specifically
1:52:45 assigned to those
1:52:46 rules and regulations a particular department division or
1:52:48 official and
1:52:49 assigning the staff to respective duties evaluating analyzing
1:52:54 results of
1:52:55 instructional program and that is something that we have on the
1:53:00 priority
1:53:00 list that we need to bring to the board right quick delegate
1:53:04 authority to the
1:53:05 staff in all matters but still be held full responsible and just
1:53:10 to go on to
1:53:11 work session may be called by the chairman the superintendent or
1:53:15 a
1:53:15 majority of board members solely for the purpose of exploring
1:53:17 matters which you
1:53:18 are doing and it moves on the work what work sessions are about
1:53:24 and something
1:53:25 that we have been trying to instill and I think with some good
1:53:28 success is the
1:53:29 board the staff staff to board communications that are outlined
1:53:36 being
1:53:37 that
1:53:41 it speaks to the superintendent as the law provides a chief
1:53:44 executive officer
1:53:45 and all I’m saying is the fact that
1:53:50 as my calendar will note that early on at the in January I
1:53:58 started with working
1:53:59 very closely with Miss Han on as I would the development of the
1:54:05 entire capital
1:54:07 needs program that would be recommended of which facilities is
1:54:12 one such item on
1:54:14 to on February 3rd she provided me with an extensive spreadsheet
1:54:21 we which we
1:54:22 were going to provide to the board of the condition and needs of
1:54:25 every school’s
1:54:26 athletic facilities throughout here you know the quality of the
1:54:30 work that she
1:54:31 does
1:54:33 I learned about that there was an actual prepared presentation
1:54:38 when I was
1:54:39 directed by the board chair yesterday to contact the assistant
1:54:42 superintendent for
1:54:43 it up to that point in time I had no knowledge whatsoever that
1:54:48 there was a
1:54:48 presentation that was prepared in writing so I did so
1:54:57 I had no knowledge prior to that that had written presentation
1:55:01 is as such that
1:55:02 you that it will be presented which has not been presented to
1:55:05 anyone else here
1:55:06 nor to the board chair about what it is or time phase I sat down
1:55:15 today mr.
1:55:16 Bruno and I with the assistant director and reviewed
1:55:22 and again in my judgment had this been brought to me as the work
1:55:29 of any of our
1:55:30 staff members to be presented here it would be unacceptable in
1:55:34 the first draft
1:55:35 and even this draft it’s not been time phased it goes probably
1:55:39 with questions
1:55:40 and answers almost two hours I think we’ve allotted 30 minutes
1:55:44 to this I I
1:55:48 cannot understand we started as my calendar will show I had
1:55:53 asked dr.
1:55:54 Ramsic to set up a meeting with the 28 athletic directors which
1:55:58 for one hour
1:55:59 and 34 minutes I met with at Palm Bay and reviewed every issue
1:56:04 it was a working
1:56:05 meeting on the Kumbaya I don’t work that way in order to go
1:56:10 through everything that they felt encompass the athletics
1:56:14 program ranging
1:56:15 from the transportation matters the programs coming all the way
1:56:19 through
1:56:20 elementary middle high school their co-curricular matters umpires
1:56:26 officials
1:56:27 referees all budgetary fiscal every aspect of human resources
1:56:34 facilities it
1:56:35 goes on I then asked and dr. Ramsic and this and the athletic
1:56:40 director since
1:56:41 pulling 28 people out to please identify and select and see if
1:56:46 there would be
1:56:46 five or six that would serve as a core group minutes are kept of
1:56:50 every meeting
1:56:51 they are available they’re distributed to all athletic directors
1:56:56 for feedback
1:56:57 so everyone is fully informed we have met already on two
1:57:03 occasions there are
1:57:04 three more planned over the next two weeks three weeks I should
1:57:07 say leading
1:57:08 up to what had been identified and placed on the agenda three
1:57:13 weeks in
1:57:13 advance on the March 28th workshop session to give to you much
1:57:19 like in the
1:57:19 transportation at least the first shot at the best thinking of
1:57:23 the issues we
1:57:24 resolved the issues outstanding and more importantly I
1:57:28 recommended for your
1:57:29 consideration solutions that come out of the work not only of
1:57:33 the athletic
1:57:34 directors but it comes out of the work of each of the cabinet
1:57:40 members in their
1:57:41 respective areas who have been part of these meetings to clarify
1:57:46 and expand on
1:57:48 H hiring to HR matters as an example transportation this Hahn is
1:57:57 on the
1:57:57 process with me to now for her and we’ve already scheduled the
1:58:02 meetings to meet
1:58:03 with all the athletic directors and she as you know will be
1:58:06 personally on site
1:58:07 after talking about with them and going through all their needs
1:58:11 this is what my
1:58:13 aim was to bring back the work of this workgroup like I did
1:58:17 transportation now
1:58:19 my intention had been although not expressed because I’m trying
1:58:23 to put this
1:58:23 together along with a lot of other things that mr. Susan and I
1:58:27 have agreed
1:58:28 are absolutely critical items which we want to get to you know
1:58:31 on behalf of the
1:58:31 work of this board which I fully support as soon as we can put
1:58:34 them on the agenda
1:58:35 that there is background information that was very good for
1:58:41 everyone to
1:58:42 understand about the numbers of the leagues that were in the
1:58:46 number of
1:58:46 whatever all of that but the real hard work piece with what I
1:58:51 hope for you to
1:58:53 lay out for you as options and for solutions integrated with the
1:58:58 ongoing
1:58:58 plan for the capital improvement budget and the development of
1:59:02 the program side
1:59:03 of our general budget all that fold up how all the pieces will
1:59:10 fit I met with
1:59:11 dr. transit and again with mr. broom to try to
1:59:19 look at this presentation that had come to my attention without
1:59:25 any previous
1:59:26 information or any information provided during any of the ad
1:59:30 meetings about this
1:59:32 to see
1:59:35 frankly how to go forward today I’m as anxious to see this
1:59:39 presentation that’s
1:59:41 presented as their variety of options of what can be done as you
1:59:45 are and so
1:59:47 that’s the I’m trying to operate like you’ve I’m required by law
1:59:52 and my
1:59:52 employment age contract according to the laws of the state and
1:59:57 policies and it’s
1:59:58 how it is in other districts Florida is a little bit different
2:00:02 just a little bit
2:00:03 different than many other states frankly Florida
2:00:08 provides the superintendent with far more authority than many
2:00:13 states much
2:00:14 more and it has the board very well positioned to be policy
2:00:21 administrative
2:00:22 rule directional Lee focused and that’s what I think you know
2:00:26 that why I’ve been
2:00:27 going through all the policies systematically why I’ve been
2:00:30 stressing
2:00:30 that we do the philosophy vision goals of this board as well as
2:00:37 to have all of
2:00:39 this work through as you go through with your process to
2:00:45 determine who will be
2:00:47 your permanent leader so that these particular matters are not
2:00:52 going to in
2:00:53 any way way lay now well all the issues that we have in so many
2:00:58 areas and we’ve
2:00:59 identified many that we need to bring to the board’s attention
2:01:03 and mr. Susan will
2:01:04 be doing that with my full support because we did this collaboratively
2:01:08 of
2:01:09 going forward in our priorities this small blip and that’s what
2:01:14 I would call
2:01:15 it is just that this communication perhaps not understanding
2:01:25 chain of
2:01:25 command properly and at the late hour of the last minute by
2:01:32 seeing this that the
2:01:33 first time I can’t make lemonade out of lemons entirely I don’t
2:01:39 have sweetener
2:01:40 to it there’s a way that this could certainly go forward if done
2:01:43 properly
2:01:44 but nevertheless it is scheduled as a main presentation is one
2:01:49 of the top
2:01:49 priorities and it’s going to be presented not be by me but the
2:01:53 head of
2:01:54 workgroup who has put this together I serve to
2:02:00 provide direction and advice and my background of having done
2:02:05 this for a lot
2:02:06 of years these are the people who will make it happen if you don’t
2:02:10 make all the
2:02:11 decisions because there are a lot of decisions being made
2:02:12 forward we’ve set
2:02:13 the predicate for your permanent superintendent and that is the
2:02:18 bottom
2:02:19 line of it dr. Schiller I just wanted to let you know it has
2:02:23 been on the
2:02:23 agenda for a full week that said that Andrew ramjet was going to
2:02:27 present I
2:02:27 think it’s been on for two weeks and when we met before you had
2:02:31 said almost a
2:02:32 week possibly longer ago you said mr. Susan I haven’t seen the
2:02:37 presentation
2:02:37 and I said well if you can reach out to dr. ramjet and ask him
2:02:41 right and in you
2:02:43 in and so this last minute like this just all of a sudden
2:02:46 happened you could
2:02:47 have reached out to him and gotten it that’s okay but like where
2:02:50 I’m at right
2:02:51 now is is that we had agreed earlier this morning that we would
2:02:54 move forward
2:02:54 with the presentation and stuff like that and at no point did
2:02:57 you say that
2:02:57 you were gonna bring the like board powers and stuff like that
2:03:01 together I
2:03:01 would have prepared the board powers that allow the chair to
2:03:04 call the meeting
2:03:05 to call for for I mean I add agenda items all the time the issue
2:03:09 the issue
2:03:10 is we move forward in the event that the rest of this has been
2:03:15 on the agenda dr.
2:03:16 Schiller said it’s okay to present we let Schiller and we let
2:03:19 him present we
2:03:20 duly note what miss Campbell’s trying to say and we move on I
2:03:22 mean like this
2:03:23 it’s not a it’s not an issue dr. Schiller has said it we just
2:03:27 have duly
2:03:27 noted and let’s go dr. Schiller I appreciate you taking the deep
2:03:31 dive that
2:03:31 you are taking into the into these different departments that we’ve
2:03:34 asked
2:03:34 on and obviously we have a lot of athletic directors that are
2:03:37 here that
2:03:37 are wanting to speak and there are people and our staff and so
2:03:40 again how
2:03:41 do we honor them and let them have that we don’t have time for a
2:03:44 two-hour
2:03:45 presentation I’ll be completely honest on that we don’t we’re
2:03:48 never gonna get
2:03:48 through our policies if we don’t do that but at the same time I
2:03:51 don’t want to say
2:03:53 to our people that are you know these are our staff that we don’t
2:03:55 want to hear
2:03:55 what you have to say because we want to hear what they’re saying
2:03:57 you know so how
2:03:58 do we move forward or can we work together and collaborate on
2:04:02 that dr.
2:04:03 Schiller had a lot it said that we had allotted 30 minutes to it
2:04:06 I think that I
2:04:08 don’t know if that’s enough I think it’s a little bit longer
2:04:10 than that but I
2:04:11 think we need to listen to Andrew ramjet and move forward I mean
2:04:13 like I think
2:04:14 that that’s what we came here to do is on the agenda for almost
2:04:17 two weeks it
2:04:18 was I mean okay I think I think we honor people’s time by
2:04:25 following policy and
2:04:26 procedure from the get-go that’s how we honor people’s time and
2:04:32 not only having
2:04:34 to have this conversation once again about the roles and
2:04:39 responsibility of a
2:04:39 chairman wasting time but it’s also a waste of time to ask a
2:04:43 staff member to
2:04:44 develop something that’s already being developed and it’s also a
2:04:46 waste of time
2:04:47 when the board doesn’t get to see it in advance and review it
2:04:51 ask questions have
2:04:52 questions prepared that’s also a waste of people’s time and mr.
2:04:57 Susan there was
2:04:57 one thing you said that I have to talk about you said it’s my
2:05:00 agenda no it’s
2:05:03 the board’s agenda okay and we all should be aware of what’s
2:05:06 going on it
2:05:07 and have and have some kind of notice ahead of time especially
2:05:10 with a topic
2:05:11 like this it makes absolutely no sense why we didn’t have any
2:05:14 notice about it
2:05:15 and I think it would be duly noted that it sat on there forever
2:05:18 I’m not done
2:05:18 first it on there forever stops point of order excuse me do not
2:05:23 tell me to stop
2:05:23 speaking I’m not finished sir I said you stop speaking and that’s
2:05:27 why I started
2:05:28 speaking please and you also told our superintendent that he
2:05:31 could have
2:05:31 reached out to someone who is subordinate to him that’s not how
2:05:36 it
2:05:36 works right to do point of order mr. Susan
2:05:41 you clearly don’t like criticism but unfortunately we’ve seen
2:05:45 you do this
2:05:46 time and time again it’s a problem
2:05:52 and it is frustrating that we’re wasting people’s time but it is
2:05:55 something that’s
2:05:56 important to talk about because again I don’t know if you all
2:05:59 realize we got an
2:06:00 email yesterday saying that we’re gonna need to extend our
2:06:03 workshops or have
2:06:04 additional workshops because we have so much to talk about but
2:06:07 we’re wasting
2:06:08 time by not preparing each other with what we’re going to talk
2:06:11 about ahead of
2:06:11 time
2:06:14 we good to move forward
2:06:20 so dr. Schiller clearly you have not this was not your
2:06:24 presentation this is
2:06:25 not you’re saying right now that you can’t put your seal of
2:06:29 approval on this
2:06:30 he agreed to move forward with it but dr. Ramsey is your
2:06:33 subordinate so is it
2:06:35 all right with you if knowing all of those parameters is it all
2:06:38 right with
2:06:39 you if dr. Ranja who is your employee moves forward with the
2:06:42 presentation
2:06:43 noting that it is not the official presentation and it has not
2:06:47 been
2:06:48 sanctioned by you already agreed to it and I never even knew
2:06:51 that this was
2:06:52 happening go ahead dr. Schiller
2:06:56 about it I’m not at all happy with this particularly the fact
2:07:01 that there have
2:07:02 been adequate opportunities at the meetings and others to
2:07:06 contribute and to
2:07:07 explain to his superior as well as the other a DS that something
2:07:11 was being
2:07:12 developed but in in deference to the fact that there are
2:07:17 professionals and
2:07:18 members of the community who had been invited whom I’ve never
2:07:22 met nor have
2:07:23 given their time I do think it would be most considerate of the
2:07:28 board that a
2:07:29 period of time is a lot allotted so we can all see what is being
2:07:34 done again I
2:07:36 made my mech I made my statement with regard to process and I
2:07:40 would just
2:07:41 reiterate that the board chair and I are ninety nine point nine
2:07:46 percent in
2:07:47 alignment of direction and virtually everything we agreed to
2:07:52 disagree for
2:07:53 this one point one percent of this piece I do not want in any
2:07:58 way shape or form
2:07:59 or this bit of a disruption our lack of communication to stop
2:08:10 the board’s
2:08:10 progress and the extent to which of the kind of important work
2:08:14 that this board
2:08:15 is doing and will continue to do in the very difficult decisions
2:08:19 it must do and
2:08:21 I would and I would appreciate and I would appreciate that the
2:08:24 next time that
2:08:24 we have something that you’re gonna bring out pre-printed
2:08:28 policies and
2:08:28 everything else that at least say that you’re going to do that
2:08:31 so that I can
2:08:31 prepare myself so with that he’s already can I ask a request
2:08:35 they are not part of
2:08:36 the discussion can I ask you guys can we take a five minute
2:08:39 break to clear the
2:08:40 room of like awkwardness intention for our guests who are gonna
2:08:43 come up here
2:08:44 and speak which is already uncomfortable to begin with all right
2:08:48 we’ll break and
2:08:48 if you guys can come forward
2:09:18 you
2:16:26 welcome back you have the floor mr. Ramsey for the athletic
2:16:30 presentation good
2:16:33 afternoon board members dr. Schiller community members my name
2:16:37 is dr. Andrew
2:16:38 ramjet I am the assistant director of student activities for Brevard
2:16:42 public
2:16:43 schools today we will be doing a overview of district athletics
2:16:48 in fairness
2:16:49 to everyone’s time I will try to get through this presentation
2:16:52 as fast as
2:16:53 possible myself I will be doing the athletic analysis miss Hahn
2:16:57 will be
2:16:58 discussing athletic facilities mr. Aaron Parr will be discussing
2:17:03 athletic
2:17:03 trainers Sean Simon Evan Ernst of who we play for will be
2:17:07 discussing heart
2:17:07 screenings mr. Steve Muzzy will be discussing the officials of
2:17:13 the
2:17:13 Midcoast officials Association MCOA I’ll be discussing title 9
2:17:19 in athletics
2:17:34 so within each BPS high school there is an activity coordinator
2:17:40 who is also the
2:17:41 athletic director activity coordinators and athletic directors
2:17:45 are classified as
2:17:46 teachers who receive a supplement schools with 1,200 plus
2:17:49 students receive
2:17:50 an additional supplement for an assistant athletic director each
2:17:53 middle
2:17:54 school has an athletic director but not an activity coordinator
2:17:57 all middle
2:17:58 school athletic directors teach a minimum of six class periods
2:18:01 per day and
2:18:02 receive a supplement there are currently no athletic director or
2:18:05 activity
2:18:06 coordinators at the elementary level
2:18:12 based on all available data there are currently 904 coaches
2:18:18 within Brevard
2:18:19 public schools a staggering 86% of our coaches are community
2:18:23 coaches or
2:18:24 volunteer coaches only 14% of our coaches are full-time BPS
2:18:29 employees
2:18:30 instructional or non instructional based on data provided by the
2:18:34 Florida High
2:18:35 School Athletic Association Brevard Public Schools has the
2:18:38 largest number of
2:18:39 community coaches and volunteer coaches in Florida
2:18:47 with having a high number of community and volunteer coaches
2:18:51 come a range of
2:18:53 issues your community coaches and volunteer coaches are not on
2:18:58 campus on
2:18:58 campus throughout the school day not having your coaches on
2:19:02 campus leads to
2:19:05 a higher amount of discipline it leads to attendance issues it
2:19:10 leads to just a
2:19:12 variety of other issues that stem from not having coaches on
2:19:16 campus another
2:19:18 issue or community coaches and volunteer coaches are not
2:19:21 provided with an at
2:19:22 Brevard schools that or email address by not having an email
2:19:25 address it’s hard
2:19:26 for the athletic directors at each school location to
2:19:29 communicate directly
2:19:30 with their coaches which leads to a number of issues there is a
2:19:35 high
2:19:35 turnover in community coaches and volunteer coaches this school
2:19:39 year alone
2:19:39 there have been roughly 200 that again 200 coaching vacancy
2:19:44 announcements
2:19:45 posted that’s roughly 28% of supplemented coaching positions in
2:19:50 the
2:19:50 school district and we still have three months left there is
2:19:53 also a lack of
2:19:54 training and awareness of BPS policies by having a high turnover
2:19:59 of community
2:20:00 coaches and volunteer coaches they’re not receiving adequate
2:20:03 training on what
2:20:05 is what are the do’s and don’ts of the school district which
2:20:09 leads to multiple
2:20:10 issues
2:20:15 very briefly there is not an overall athletics budget in the
2:20:19 school dress
2:20:19 district there is not a consistent method used across BPS
2:20:24 regarding
2:20:24 athletics funding principals currently set overall athletic
2:20:27 budgets for the
2:20:28 school year schools generate their revenue from gate receipts
2:20:32 also known as
2:20:33 ticket ticket revenue excuse me most school athletic programs
2:20:36 are being run
2:20:37 at a loss
2:20:42 currently Brevard Public Schools provides equalization funds to
2:20:46 each
2:20:46 high school and middle school high schools currently receive 11,800
2:20:50 equalization funds middle schools currently receive 800 in equalization
2:20:54 funds junior senior high schools receive twelve thousand six
2:20:58 hundred in combined
2:20:59 equalization funds the current model of equalization funding is
2:21:03 inequitable in
2:21:04 the school district schools with greater athletic funding needs
2:21:07 are being funded
2:21:07 at the same level as schools with less athletic funding needs
2:21:11 providing a great
2:21:12 inequity in the school district
2:21:15 when it comes to transportation not all
2:21:18 athletic programs or provide transportation for their students
2:21:24 to and
2:21:24 from athletic competition some schools rely primarily on
2:21:28 students finding their
2:21:29 own methods of transportation to athletic competition and
2:21:32 practices this
2:21:34 includes students driving themselves and parents some booster
2:21:38 clubs pay for
2:21:38 transportation due to lack of athletic funding however not every
2:21:42 program in the
2:21:43 district has a booster club there are some schools and not while
2:21:46 all schools
2:21:47 are not provided reimbursement for athletic transportation but
2:21:50 one that
2:21:51 sticks out is Rockledge High School Rockledge High School plays
2:21:54 football at
2:21:55 McLarty Stadium this past school year they spent over four
2:21:59 thousand dollars on
2:22:00 transporting their own students excuse me their own student-athletes
2:22:04 McLarty
2:22:05 Stadium to play in mandatory FHS a competition and they have not
2:22:11 been
2:22:11 reimbursed with student providing their own transportation to
2:22:17 and from athletic
2:22:17 competition there is a range of liability and safety concerns
2:22:21 due to the
2:22:23 current ongoing district transportation issues which is no one’s
2:22:26 fault some
2:22:27 schools who use district transportation have no other option but
2:22:30 to schedule
2:22:31 transportation during the school day prior to the conclusion of
2:22:35 this of the
2:22:35 school day so for example I was at a school Bayside High School
2:22:39 last Friday
2:22:40 and students were scheduled for a five o’clock competition but
2:22:44 they left the
2:22:45 school at 12 simply because of the fact that there was no other
2:22:48 time that they
2:22:49 could be picked up causing them to miss two periods of class due
2:22:53 to the rising
2:22:54 cost of transportation contracted vendors can no longer offer
2:22:57 transportation as pre-negotiated rates schools are left without
2:23:01 transportation
2:23:02 to required FHS a competition the cost of participating in BPS
2:23:08 athletics most
2:23:09 athletic programs must charge a fee for students to participate
2:23:12 in athletics
2:23:12 also known as pay for play these very based on specific sports a
2:23:17 few weeks
2:23:18 back I was at astronaut high school and I was shocked to find
2:23:21 out that the
2:23:22 competitive cheerleaders are being charged seventeen hundred
2:23:25 dollars to
2:23:25 participate in competitive cheer paid for play contributes to
2:23:31 inequities in
2:23:32 sports participation for low-income students already at a higher
2:23:36 risk for
2:23:36 poorer health outcomes athletic programs fundraise to help
2:23:40 minimize costs however
2:23:42 all costs are not covered through fundraising this leads to the
2:23:45 haves and
2:23:45 the have-nots
2:23:54 so middle school athletics there is no need in the community
2:23:58 there is a need
2:23:59 excuse me in the community to expand middle school athletics
2:24:01 beyond the two
2:24:02 current sports with ESSER funds all volleyball and soccer
2:24:05 equipment has been
2:24:05 purchased for each of our eleven middle schools equipment can be
2:24:08 used for both
2:24:09 intramurals and competitive athletics lack of middle school
2:24:13 excuse me lack of
2:24:14 middle school athletic opportunities has led to lower numbers of
2:24:17 athletic
2:24:17 participation there’s no pipeline of kids going from middle
2:24:21 school to high
2:24:21 school participating in athletics which has led to lower
2:24:24 participation numbers
2:24:26 currently at the elementary level there are no athletic programs
2:24:30 no after-school
2:24:30 athletic programs no recreational athletic programs and as we
2:24:35 know
2:24:35 athletics provide a host of benefits for students including
2:24:40 social skills motor
2:24:41 skills preparation for team sports and mindfulness
2:24:48 next we have athletic facilities at miss Suhan
2:25:00 while miss suit comes up I wanted to mention that the haves and
2:25:03 have-nots is
2:25:04 becoming more of a discrepancy because you have students who
2:25:07 because of
2:25:08 diabetes and other issues are not participating in sports so
2:25:11 what ends up
2:25:12 happening is is instead of spending a thousand to two thousand
2:25:15 dollars to play
2:25:16 soccer on traveling or whatever it is they are forced to not
2:25:19 have an
2:25:20 opportunity because the schools used to offer sports go ahead
2:25:23 miss Ann good
2:25:25 afternoon everyone really my role in this is simply around
2:25:28 capital facilities
2:25:29 and about two years ago we started thinking about capital
2:25:33 facilities a
2:25:34 little bit more holistically and kind of on a longer term basis
2:25:37 and so you’ve
2:25:38 seen in the past capital plans that the school boards have a
2:25:42 school board has
2:25:42 approved previously is some multi-year projects particularly
2:25:46 around athletics
2:25:47 but also around some other facilities such as elementary pavilions
2:25:50 parking
2:25:51 lots things that need kind of a multi-year approach so we’re
2:25:56 looking at
2:25:57 that same type of thing in the athletic realm we do have a
2:26:01 fairly comprehensive
2:26:02 assessment of all of our our athletic facilities as they stand
2:26:07 today and that
2:26:08 was really the genesis of the track renewal program that you saw
2:26:11 in the
2:26:11 surtax plan as well as the reparation plan that came out of
2:26:15 coordination with
2:26:15 dr. ramjet and the athletic directors and the schools as to what
2:26:19 was an
2:26:20 important athletic need so we do a lot of our own work in terms
2:26:24 of assessment
2:26:25 of what we have we coordinate with dr. ramjet and the athletic
2:26:30 directors and
2:26:31 the leading and learning side of the house as far as things that
2:26:33 we need that
2:26:34 we don’t have and those are two very different things both of
2:26:37 those fit into
2:26:38 the capital plan and then the capital plan in general includes
2:26:42 much more than
2:26:43 just athletics so there’s a pie there’s an athletics piece of
2:26:47 the pie and then
2:26:49 there’s the the two different sort of parts of the pie that are
2:26:53 include
2:26:54 renewal of what we have or something that we don’t have that we
2:26:59 that we need
2:26:59 and so we really look at all of those things but just to be
2:27:03 clear there is no
2:27:05 separate athletics capital plan there is a capital plan that
2:27:09 includes athletics
2:27:10 and that includes other things such as school buses it includes
2:27:14 FF&E for
2:27:15 elementary secondary and student services and includes
2:27:19 educational
2:27:20 technology it includes facility renewal includes security so all
2:27:24 of those things
2:27:25 are in the plan and that is part of the budget development
2:27:28 process and that’s
2:27:29 what we’ll be working on over the next probably 30 to 60 days in
2:27:35 terms of
2:27:36 bringing a capital plan back to the board that includes all of
2:27:39 those things
2:27:40 as well as the athletic subset in terms of what I’m doing now I’m
2:27:44 doing sort of
2:27:44 normal due diligence with the users of capital facilities so
2:27:50 talking with dr.
2:27:51 ramjet and the athletic directors the assistant principals
2:27:54 getting some
2:27:55 feedback as to what their capital needs are talking with the
2:27:58 leading and
2:27:59 learning student services side of the house what are their needs
2:28:02 in terms of
2:28:03 capital and we try to bring all those things together and then
2:28:08 work with
2:28:08 Russell Cheatham mr. Wilson as to their capital needs and within
2:28:14 the the broader
2:28:14 umbrella of what’s available in terms of what miss lasinski is
2:28:19 projecting for
2:28:20 available capital so that’s kind of the process outline March 28th
2:28:24 is when I’ve
2:28:25 been asked by dr. Schiller to come back with with some more
2:28:28 information for the
2:28:29 board in terms of the capital plan and the athletics component
2:28:32 to it as a part
2:28:33 of the larger group and you’ll also see work that I’m doing
2:28:38 outside of athletics
2:28:39 in terms of the the capital planning process so that is where I
2:28:44 am today
2:28:45 thank you so much sue I think the your build-out of all of the
2:28:50 tracks and then
2:28:51 your discussion that you’re gonna bring back in a couple of
2:28:53 weeks the one three
2:28:54 and five year plan really appreciate it just so everybody knows
2:28:58 there’s a couple
2:28:59 of discrepancies with Rockledge McLarty Stadium being off site
2:29:03 also the two
2:29:05 baseball and softball field at Vieira they’re forced to go to
2:29:08 two different
2:29:08 locations they can’t even put banners up there yeah for a while
2:29:13 you had it but
2:29:14 Titusville has their own baseball team I think that they doesn’t
2:29:19 Titusville have
2:29:19 their own baseball and softball softballs on-site baseball is
2:29:24 kind of
2:29:25 right side and around the behind the cross across the street and
2:29:30 over the
2:29:30 track so it’s not really on campus we’re taking a look at
2:29:35 whether we can fit
2:29:36 baseball on campus that’s part of something we’re evaluating and
2:29:40 just so
2:29:41 that everybody understands the Tourism Development Council and
2:29:44 many other
2:29:44 organizations like you triple S a have always worked with us on
2:29:48 if we wanted to
2:29:48 collaborate on usage of facilities for costs and everything else
2:29:52 so I just
2:29:52 wanted to say thank you so much appreciate it all right back to
2:29:55 you mr.
2:29:55 Ramza thank you thank you sue now we will have mr. Aaron par the
2:30:01 head
2:30:01 athletic trainer and assistant athletic director at Bayside High
2:30:04 School to talk
2:30:04 about athletic trainers in the school district
2:30:10 awesome
2:30:15 thank you very much first of all again my name is Aaron Parr the
2:30:18 athletic
2:30:19 trainer at Bayside High School I’m also the assistant director I’m
2:30:23 also head
2:30:24 wrestling coach so I bring a perspective of multiple hats to
2:30:28 this table and with
2:30:29 this information I’ve been here in this County since 2005 so I’ve
2:30:33 been here
2:30:33 through a few bits of turmoil up and down but in 2006 a great
2:30:38 man Tom
2:30:39 McIntyre some of y’all might remember that name wonderful man a
2:30:42 wonderful
2:30:43 family led a big push there were six of us athletic trainers at
2:30:46 the time trying
2:30:47 to get established to get an athletic trainer at every high
2:30:50 school that year
2:30:52 it was highly publicized as oh my gosh provide public schools
2:30:56 has six million
2:30:56 dollar budget cuts over future years and there were times where
2:31:02 my gosh six
2:31:02 million that’s not as much as this year but that’s it was very
2:31:06 quickly axed very
2:31:08 quickly taken off the table in 2006 and in 2008 I bring up a
2:31:14 kind of a sore
2:31:16 spot as we lost a student athlete here in Brevard County on a
2:31:18 soccer field up
2:31:19 in Cocoa Beach by no way can I say an athletic trainer ad would
2:31:23 guarantee he
2:31:24 would still be here with us but I can’t say those chances would
2:31:27 be greater that
2:31:28 I can’t say without a doubt but moving forward with this I
2:31:32 myself one person
2:31:33 I’m gonna speak to you about what things that I have monitored
2:31:36 what things I have
2:31:36 managed I have managed multiple times to fractured femurs a lot
2:31:42 of athletic
2:31:42 trainers say they never get to experience a fractured femur in
2:31:44 their
2:31:44 career this is a life-threatening injury because of the femoral
2:31:48 artery this is
2:31:49 life-threatening properly management properly cared loaded an
2:31:53 ambulance with
2:31:54 EMTs and without myself being there at those two instances who
2:31:59 knows multiple
2:32:01 heat exhaustion borderline heat strokes multiple concussions
2:32:05 cervical spine
2:32:05 fracture that I’ve dealt with and these are just to name a few
2:32:09 when I was put
2:32:09 together a list of life and death scenarios that an athletic
2:32:13 trainer has
2:32:14 had the ability to prevent and liability dollars saved for this
2:32:18 county
2:32:19 I’ve been involved in a court case that I’ve been on recording
2:32:22 on a recorded
2:32:23 interview I’m not proud to say that but it eventually in my
2:32:27 understanding was
2:32:28 tossed whether that was directly my involvement but it was
2:32:32 involved again I
2:32:33 am one person that has been involved with all these things
2:32:36 currently the
2:32:37 athletic training supplement is $11,000 this is $11,000 for a
2:32:42 full-time job the
2:32:44 people ask me all the time why is it difficult to get athletic
2:32:46 trainers here
2:32:47 that’s the underlying reason $11,000 for a full-time job is
2:32:52 unrealistic there is
2:32:54 a full-time need and we are fully there as a licensed medical
2:33:00 professional by
2:33:01 the state of Florida I have to maintain a state license along
2:33:04 with a national
2:33:04 membership to the National Athletic Training Association to be
2:33:07 called an
2:33:08 athletic trainer if we divide it out on the current
2:33:12 recommendation by a national
2:33:13 athletic training association that $11,000 amounts to 314 hours
2:33:17 of work you
2:33:18 get from me in a year let me tell you that would run out real
2:33:21 quick on a
2:33:21 varsity boys basketball game where we have freshmen JV boys
2:33:25 lasting for about
2:33:26 4 30 p.m. till about 10 p.m. and we have 12 13 of those a year
2:33:30 you just took
2:33:31 through more than a third of your allotment for that semester
2:33:35 but doing the numbers is definitely there
2:33:39 next currently we have 10 of 16 schools that are currently
2:33:44 covered that’s a 62.5
2:33:46 percent well says barely passing grade and I ask is that good
2:33:52 and all the
2:33:52 reason I asked that simply because I know of one that’s already
2:33:54 done that’s
2:33:55 already will be submitting resonation at the end of this year
2:33:57 they are done they
2:33:58 are burnt out so that’s gonna drop us to fifty six point two
2:34:02 five percent now you
2:34:04 notice a lot of these are labeled as outreach outreach means
2:34:08 they have
2:34:09 allegiance to another company they come to us on borrowed time
2:34:15 traditionally
2:34:16 those companies take that $11,000 and say alright BPS you get
2:34:21 this many hours
2:34:21 and they start checking them off and when those hours run out
2:34:27 coverage runs
2:34:28 out that’s traditionally how it’s done I’m gonna give some major
2:34:33 props to a
2:34:33 good friend Kelly way who is in charge of Paris Medical who
2:34:36 covers four high
2:34:37 schools currently she is a rock star her entire staff are rock
2:34:40 stars I know two
2:34:41 other people up here that would agree with this 100% they do
2:34:45 everything they
2:34:46 can but understand just like in 2006 like I
2:34:50 started off on that first slide will stuff for those of you who
2:34:52 are around
2:34:53 back then once that return on investment doesn’t cover those
2:34:58 salaries what do you
2:34:59 think’s gonna happen to those after changes that are coming from
2:35:03 off-site as
2:35:04 outreach outreach athletic trainers so I put that in perspective
2:35:09 talked a little bit more about outreach perish again they’ve
2:35:13 been trying to
2:35:14 hire for over a year an additional can’t fill it
2:35:18 can’t fill it now whether it’s salary whether it’s location I
2:35:22 haven’t dived
2:35:23 into that to that extreme but I know Kelly has been telling me
2:35:27 we’re trying
2:35:27 to hire we’re trying to hire we want more we want to provide
2:35:31 more carbon
2:35:31 coverage but we can’t some pros and cons to outreach pros they
2:35:36 can provide gain
2:35:36 coverage 100% they can they can protect from liability 100%
2:35:40 agree with that some
2:35:41 cons I’ve as I’ve already explained they’re gonna count their
2:35:44 hours towards
2:35:45 that per diem limited access to a home location so when they’re
2:35:49 not available
2:35:49 they’re working at that clinic and they cover a game that
2:35:53 limited access their
2:35:54 access to student athletes certain days might be restricted I’m
2:35:57 gonna get into
2:35:58 that here just a little bit more and then again hourly wage has
2:36:01 gone up by
2:36:02 our national board standards to 35 an hour the cost benefit has
2:36:06 to be
2:36:06 beneficial to them to keep providing that outreach
2:36:10 lastly there was a time where I myself decided to step away from
2:36:13 athletic
2:36:14 training in 2015 we went the route of getting an outreach
2:36:17 athletic trainer we
2:36:18 contracted with 3d orthopedic again David Dominguez great guy I’ve
2:36:23 known him
2:36:24 for a good bit and I can’t say enough praise about him but the
2:36:27 athletic
2:36:27 trainer that was provided there was one day a week never
2:36:29 available two days a
2:36:31 week would never be available till 630 and there are two days
2:36:34 that could arrive
2:36:35 to 530 again just restrictive access not really providing that
2:36:40 top-notch service
2:36:41 that we want to not always being available for student-athletes
2:36:44 after
2:36:45 school in that time again they are they have allegiance to that
2:36:49 home site 2016
2:36:51 again I started the year not as athletic trainer our new
2:36:54 outreach athlete trainer
2:36:56 was only able to cover during game time 30 minutes before game
2:36:59 time they would
2:36:59 arrive and immediately after they’d be walking off property
2:37:03 this isn’t sufficient that’s not I’m staring at it to serve
2:37:09 every student
2:37:10 with excellence as a standard that’s not that we need people
2:37:14 there and I
2:37:15 effective after that first game that year I’m effectively
2:37:18 resumed role my
2:37:19 role is athletic trainer Bayside High School people ask me what
2:37:23 is it we need
2:37:24 now this and I know there was a big debate here before about
2:37:27 speaking I’m
2:37:28 not trying to create something that’s permanent I’m trying to
2:37:31 just say this is
2:37:32 what I recommend with what’s out there I’ve been asked by
2:37:35 numerous people
2:37:36 before and I love the idea about this idea about gathering a DS
2:37:39 to get working
2:37:40 on things together my one recommendation is why not add a
2:37:45 medical professional to
2:37:46 that group of a DS you know the medical professional on the
2:37:50 staff of a high
2:37:50 high school is actually the highest paid supplement of anyone
2:37:54 there why not have
2:37:56 them represented in that small group to me that just makes sense
2:38:01 but I would say
2:38:02 definitely one athletic trainer at every single high school that’s
2:38:05 a minimum
2:38:05 guys our neighbors around us have two or three at most schools
2:38:10 two or three this
2:38:12 decreases that burnout that happens an amazing athlete trainer
2:38:17 Palm Bay High
2:38:17 School now no longer practices because the expectation is just
2:38:22 so unreal they
2:38:23 now just cool teacher that’s it it’s just not worth it for that
2:38:27 $11,000 it’s
2:38:29 not worth it athletic training now requires a master’s degree
2:38:32 you’re not
2:38:33 allowed to even earn the certificate without since 2020 if you
2:38:36 graduate after
2:38:36 2020 required to have a master’s degree so this bump those
2:38:39 numbers up to be
2:38:40 honest continuing education funds is a norm to go along with the
2:38:44 job of an
2:38:44 athletic trainer prior to here my previous job in Tennessee
2:38:49 actually I had
2:38:50 a budget of $2,500 continuing education that was separate to our
2:38:53 if I didn’t use
2:38:54 it they kept it that’s fine but that’s how it was managing that’s
2:38:58 how that was
2:38:59 done you can either choose to involve them a salary or not being
2:39:03 on a campus
2:39:03 during lunchtime is key in my mind access to student-athletes
2:39:06 during
2:39:07 lunchtime potentially and also you know my principal loves the
2:39:10 fact I
2:39:10 occasionally get out there and help provide supervision she’s
2:39:14 very
2:39:15 appreciative here at Bayside High School or there based on high
2:39:17 school I should
2:39:17 say go call he’s a nerd by the way but yes if recommendation
2:39:22 would be simply be
2:39:23 there during lunchtime through the end of all activities every
2:39:27 day whether it’s
2:39:27 practice competition it’s gonna average out to that traditional
2:39:31 45 40 hour work
2:39:33 week it’s gonna average out for the same work week of a full-time
2:39:37 professional so
2:39:39 instead of me being a high school teacher by day full high
2:39:42 school teacher
2:39:44 then transitioning to a full-time athletic trainer by afternoon
2:39:48 and night
2:39:48 and not having any life at all I mean it treats it more of a
2:39:53 respected
2:39:53 professional as a health care professional providing a medical
2:39:57 practice
2:39:57 and again please check with your neighboring counties they all
2:40:02 have these
2:40:02 and in multiple per every high school ultimately my
2:40:06 recommendation would be
2:40:07 around right in the low 50s and I say this because there are
2:40:11 programs out
2:40:12 there there’s legislation out there that if you are at certain
2:40:16 levels and you’re
2:40:17 at a college you can be working one sport in a college you’re
2:40:20 guaranteed
2:40:21 over $48,000 plus continuing education units so how are we
2:40:25 competitive offering
2:40:26 $11,000 to somebody to come and work for us here in Brevard
2:40:31 County for the same
2:40:32 job that’s my only question and that’s my recommendation again I
2:40:37 definitely I
2:40:38 would volunteer myself if I would be potential to add to that
2:40:41 group of ADs at
2:40:42 a medical professional but that that’s again that’s not for my
2:40:45 decision to be
2:40:46 made but that concludes my portion and I wanted to say as a
2:40:51 former coach at
2:40:52 SpaceCoast worked very closely with one of the athletic trainers
2:40:57 there and
2:40:58 there’s so much more besides administering the injuries there’s
2:41:02 the
2:41:02 prep work there’s the before every sport they’re taping every
2:41:06 kid before after a
2:41:07 kid’s injured they’re the ones that go on the on the cart on the
2:41:11 ambulances to
2:41:12 go make sure they’re okay they’re the ones that are following up
2:41:14 and just to
2:41:15 say that you don’t have that at a school think about that those
2:41:18 schools how many
2:41:19 did you say that don’t have it so six schools have nobody there
2:41:29 to administer
2:41:30 and what happens is is if they play them then they end up
2:41:33 administering for both
2:41:34 sides and if they’re lucky now can you imagine two schools
2:41:37 playing each other
2:41:38 with no athletic trainers and if we we almost got very close
2:41:42 about four years
2:41:43 ago with this to get it taken care of in the budget and we just
2:41:47 missed it so it’s
2:41:49 something that’s been coming up I really appreciate your time
2:41:51 Aaron thank you so
2:41:52 much for coming mr. ramjet you have the next step yes sir excuse
2:41:57 me next up we
2:41:58 will be talking about hard screenings mr. Evan Ernst and dr.
2:42:01 Sean Sima from who
2:42:03 we play for
2:42:06 thank you guys for a few minutes we prepared a bit of a slide
2:42:09 deck I say
2:42:10 slip to skip the slide deck and then I’ll cover a few things at
2:42:14 hand Sean but
2:42:15 it’s an honor to talk with the school board again it’s been a
2:42:17 few years I’ve
2:42:18 been back I love these athletic trainers love these athletic
2:42:21 directors that
2:42:22 really bought into this vision the last ten years and the spin
2:42:25 the first school
2:42:26 board America to make the sustainable care huge thank you to dr.
2:42:29 Schiller who
2:42:30 we met with last week and we’re excited to continue to work with
2:42:34 he knows more
2:42:35 the particulars on this our hope over the next couple years is
2:42:39 they advance
2:42:39 the standard of care for more than just student athletes
2:42:42 eventually for sixth
2:42:43 graders eventually for marching band ROTC etc etc we’ve done
2:42:48 these things so
2:42:49 far in other school districts like Orange County like Leon
2:42:52 County there’s a
2:42:52 lot of great data to support it some of the highlights actually
2:42:56 we’ll start with
2:42:57 the story then I’ll hit some of the highlights in the last ten
2:42:59 years a bunch
2:43:00 of kids born and raised in Brevard County I went to Cape View
2:43:04 Gardendale
2:43:05 Roosevelt Cocoa Beach and that’s the story of every kid on who
2:43:09 we play for
2:43:09 watch our teammate died Cocoa Beach High School a story you all
2:43:13 know and all lived
2:43:15 from a detectable heart condition after a lifetime’s worth of
2:43:19 sports physicals
2:43:20 from at that point the president of the Academy of Pediatrics of
2:43:24 Florida dr.
2:43:25 Cosmo not her fault in any way it’s a blind spot in medicine for
2:43:29 the last 50
2:43:30 years and it’s a standard of care for certain levels of
2:43:33 athletics as you guys
2:43:33 know big great schools like Florida State professional sports
2:43:38 other
2:43:39 countries like Italy or ECG screenings given to every student-athlete
2:43:42 every
2:43:43 year since 1982 as you may remember in countries like Italy they’ve
2:43:48 reduced
2:43:48 sudden cardiac death by near 90% in countries like America we’ve
2:43:52 reduced it
2:43:53 by nearly 0% since the 80s so what is who we play for done about
2:43:57 this Rafe
2:43:58 macros ashes are buried in Cocoa Beach High School soccer field
2:44:02 a bunch of best
2:44:03 friends at a community and groups like health first and perish
2:44:06 and so many more
2:44:07 across this county ten years later have raised millions of
2:44:11 dollars support
2:44:12 Brevard Public Schools student-athletes and all students we’ve
2:44:15 donated hundreds
2:44:17 of 80s we screen over 50,000 student-athletes and students in
2:44:21 Brevard
2:44:21 County we have had at least four initiatives that started here
2:44:25 that made
2:44:26 their way to the national stage in the history of Brevard County
2:44:29 medicine and
2:44:30 I’m certainly not the expert on that and I challenge anyone to
2:44:33 tell me if this
2:44:34 has ever happened I’m not sure how many times pediatric care has
2:44:38 been presented
2:44:39 at the American Academy of Pediatrics during kovat on a virtual
2:44:43 stage UCS
2:44:45 College of Medicine presented on Brevard County and they
2:44:47 celebrated the first
2:44:48 large school district in the United States required necessary
2:44:52 care they
2:44:52 highlighted the kids that get to grow up from that leadership
2:44:55 and from that
2:44:56 policy and they challenged school districts across the country
2:45:00 to follow
2:45:00 what’s the state of the Union in Florida 30% of Florida has this
2:45:04 requirement this
2:45:05 FHSA leadership is excited and ready to roll this out one
2:45:10 district at a time
2:45:11 until Florida is the first state in mixed in that journey we got
2:45:16 to hit the
2:45:16 Good Morning America circuit for a minute and a half three kids
2:45:19 who were
2:45:19 saved in Central Florida got to share their stories we’ve been
2:45:23 able to work
2:45:24 some laws that started here in Brevard County to the state level
2:45:28 and then the
2:45:28 national level and I’ll let Sean headed on that through that
2:45:32 process we’ve been
2:45:33 able to include people like Damar Hamlin people like Russell
2:45:35 Westbrook from the
2:45:36 Lakers who buried his best friend the same way we did and the
2:45:39 story goes on
2:45:40 and on so from my perspective and from our team and who we play
2:45:45 for family to
2:45:45 you guys this isn’t possible without the leadership of the
2:45:48 school board without
2:45:50 the buy-in of principals and athletic directors and we really
2:45:54 have become a
2:45:55 national lighthouse for SCA prevention and it’s honor of a
2:45:59 lifetime to be a
2:45:59 part of that with you thank you Sean yeah real quick I’m looking
2:46:08 at the
2:46:08 three-minute clock don’t turn it on but yeah I just echo what
2:46:13 Evan said in May
2:46:15 of 2017 me and my daughter stood right there in case you don’t
2:46:21 know my daughter
2:46:22 survived sudden cardiac arrest she was a Viera high school
2:46:26 student left a Viera
2:46:28 softball game went for a run on a treadmill one night to get
2:46:32 ready for
2:46:32 tryouts for cheer and within 30 seconds she was collapsed dead
2:46:37 on the ground
2:46:38 that night there was a guy running behind her who had just taken
2:46:43 CPR he
2:46:44 wasn’t a medical guy but he saved my daughter’s life the AED on
2:46:49 the wall the
2:46:50 battery and pads have been expired for we don’t even know but
2:46:55 for whatever
2:46:56 reason the guy that owned the gym saw that the light wasn’t
2:47:01 blinking and he
2:47:02 realized and he fixed the battery and pads about three weeks
2:47:07 before my
2:47:08 daughter collapsed you know if you’ve never been in the position
2:47:16 to see your
2:47:17 kid in a state of is she gonna make it a lot of people ask me
2:47:26 like why do you do
2:47:28 this your kids survive like why are you fighting like we hear it
2:47:33 all the time
2:47:34 right my daughter is one out of ten nine out of ten die from
2:47:39 what my daughter
2:47:40 survived and people ask why do you do this well I am a medical
2:47:46 provider but I
2:47:48 made a lot of deals with God on February 2nd of 2016 and if you’ve
2:47:56 never been
2:47:58 where you don’t know if your kid is gonna make it you don’t know
2:48:03 honestly
2:48:04 what it what it feels like to really want some and God answered
2:48:11 we’re the one
2:48:12 out of ten and I stood over there with my daughter who was alive
2:48:18 my daughter
2:48:18 was a unicorn because people don’t survive what my kids survive
2:48:24 and I’m not
2:48:24 talking some deadly form of cancer my child was saved by
2:48:30 bystanders who
2:48:32 weren’t medical and we started here six years ago I want to say
2:48:38 now and like
2:48:39 Evan said a movement has started in Brevard County because of
2:48:43 the school
2:48:44 board we stood in front of the school board and you guys took a
2:48:48 chance and as
2:48:49 Evan said we’ve passed several laws we passed a law believe it
2:48:54 or not before
2:48:55 two years ago our kids could be out on a football field or out
2:48:59 running stadiums
2:49:00 in the summer and there didn’t have to be an AED anywhere by we
2:49:04 didn’t have to
2:49:05 have a coach that new CPR the only place that you had to have an
2:49:10 AED and CPR was
2:49:11 at an FHSA playoff game or championship game and then we passed
2:49:17 the most
2:49:17 life-saving law in the history of our state the number one cause
2:49:21 of death in
2:49:22 the state of Florida is cardiac now no kid can graduate high
2:49:26 school in our
2:49:27 state without getting an introductory course of hands-only CPR
2:49:32 in ninth and
2:49:33 eleventh grade that’s like 800,000 life savers every single year
2:49:39 who are gonna
2:49:39 hit the street and of course can’t go any further than saying
2:49:44 what what
2:49:44 happened here with with the you know the hard screening program
2:49:49 the first county
2:49:51 in the country to take that step and that is release the beast
2:49:56 if you will
2:49:57 all over the country now we have counties and school boards that
2:50:01 are
2:50:02 following you all I know for certain at least 130 kids have been
2:50:07 saved in our
2:50:07 state since 2019 they passed every physical that people like me
2:50:15 do that is
2:50:16 really not doing anything to protect our kids from dying and
2:50:19 that started right
2:50:21 here and I just want to thank you all I’m in a lot of schools
2:50:25 one of the
2:50:25 things I do in Brevard County is I’ll go to certain schools and
2:50:29 I teach the
2:50:30 hands-only CPR course and I hear over and over and over of
2:50:35 stories of kids who
2:50:36 have used it to save somebody on those campuses I know there’s a
2:50:41 struggle not
2:50:43 every campus has enough AEDs not every campus has a cardiac
2:50:48 emergency response
2:50:49 plan and I’m gonna finish up but the number one cause of death
2:50:53 at school is
2:50:54 sudden cardiac arrest the leading cause of death in our athletes
2:50:59 is sudden
2:51:00 cardiac arrest and in our County we expect a coach to know
2:51:05 exactly what to
2:51:07 do and a guy hits the floor and he’s seizing or he’s agonal
2:51:12 breathing and we
2:51:14 don’t do one practice drill to help them and then we want to put
2:51:18 him in the
2:51:19 newspaper and say well why why didn’t this coach react the right
2:51:24 way we really
2:51:25 need to take that a little bit more serious devise a plan it’s
2:51:30 free there’s
2:51:31 no cost to it but we have to be ready we’re ready in Brevard
2:51:35 County I would
2:51:36 venture to say we’re probably the most safe County in the
2:51:40 country with all the
2:51:41 things that we have but we need to take that next step and I
2:51:47 look forward to
2:51:47 working with you all in any way it’s the reason I live and I
2:51:51 truly mean that and
2:51:53 I’ll go ahead and shut up because I know my three minutes is off
2:51:57 thank you thank
2:51:58 you Sean I really appreciate it I think what I’m hearing is is
2:52:02 you had come
2:52:02 forward and said a couple things and you had to but what I think
2:52:06 would help is if
2:52:07 we can set a time for you to meet with dr. Schiller and put
2:52:10 together if you
2:52:11 haven’t already a list of those needs so that he can bring that
2:52:13 forward on the
2:52:14 28th so that’s awesome thank you so much thank you all right dr.
2:52:17 ramjet keeping
2:52:19 it moving we have Steve Muzzy of the Midcoast officials
2:52:22 Association also
2:52:23 known as the MCOA who will be talking about officials in the
2:52:27 school district
2:52:29 okay thank you dr. Ramsey mr. par you help me with slides first
2:52:37 I you know
2:52:38 regret that you guys are just getting this information today I
2:52:42 really want you
2:52:43 to know and learn about this Midcoast officials Association that’s
2:52:47 been in our
2:52:48 County for over 55 years and wants you to kind of know how an
2:52:54 important role
2:52:55 that we play in support of athletics in Brevard County so very
2:53:00 quickly we wanted
2:53:01 to touch on our background talk about the objectives I call this
2:53:05 a partnership
2:53:06 you can see on the cover slide there we show the Brevard Public
2:53:10 Schools Midcoast
2:53:11 officials Association the Cape Coast Conference we’re a
2:53:14 partnership so I want
2:53:17 to talk a little bit about the makeup of our organization some
2:53:21 barriers that are
2:53:22 impacting our ability to provide game officials to support
2:53:26 athletics I did
2:53:28 have two 30-second clips which I think are outstanding that the
2:53:32 National
2:53:33 Federation of high schools generated I don’t know if the if
2:53:36 those links will
2:53:37 work and real quick we do have like summary of these partnership
2:53:42 recommendations that I certainly hope we can provide some input
2:53:47 I think as an
2:53:48 important stakeholder to the athletic task force that dr. Schiller
2:53:52 is in is
2:53:54 working on okay so what we are we’re the Midcoast officials
2:53:58 Association we’ve
2:53:59 partnered with Brevard schools now for over 55 years it’s a
2:54:03 partnership that we
2:54:05 are that we are just tremendously honored to be a part of and we’ve
2:54:10 always
2:54:10 strived to be first in Florida I mean and that means following
2:54:14 all the Florida
2:54:15 High School Athletic Association rules guidelines
2:54:19 recommendations to sure our
2:54:20 athletes are able to compete at the highest levels in pursuit of
2:54:24 their
2:54:24 individual goals I put recommendations because one of the points
2:54:29 of contention
2:54:30 that you make here is hey let’s cut crew sizes so we can cut the
2:54:35 cost of athletic
2:54:36 officials okay let’s just go with what the minimum is rec let’s
2:54:41 not go with the
2:54:42 recommended since the entire partnership Brevard Public Schools
2:54:48 has never done
2:54:48 that we’ve always gone with the recommendation we are a one-stop
2:54:52 shop
2:54:52 we’re different than most of the Florida High School sanctioned
2:54:56 associations in
2:54:56 the state we provide our district a basically one-stop shop and
2:55:02 you can see
2:55:03 the sports that we provide services for football girls and boys
2:55:06 basketball boys
2:55:07 soccer girls across boys across volleyball softball baseball and
2:55:11 wrestling each sport is led by a commissioner this year I had
2:55:17 boys
2:55:17 lacrosse and red we actually did not have that in contract we
2:55:22 had a
2:55:23 association that was unable to provide services and last year
2:55:27 when they did
2:55:28 provide services they really asked for they really we had to
2:55:32 consolidate game
2:55:33 schedules they didn’t have the officials we we really scrambled
2:55:37 hard recruited
2:55:38 recruited officials in partnership with friends of Brevard lacrosse
2:55:43 haven’t
2:55:44 heard of any issues but we’ve been able to provide those
2:55:46 services and I hope
2:55:47 that’s worked out for you dr. Ramsey I didn’t want to plug to a
2:55:51 plug to judge
2:55:52 Charlie Crawford I don’t know he you know he’s part of friends
2:55:56 that Brevard
2:55:56 lacrosse what an unbelievable community member and it’s just an
2:56:00 example of
2:56:01 interagency and partnerships just so you guys know all of our
2:56:06 officials they’re
2:56:07 basically it’s an avocation they’re based in Brevard we’re
2:56:11 nonprofit we’ve
2:56:12 been we’ve been a saint the only FHSA sanctioned officials
2:56:16 Association since
2:56:17 our exception we’re focused on interscholastic sports contest
2:56:22 sports
2:56:23 contest and the one thing that’s important is for you guys and
2:56:27 you guys
2:56:27 so much on your plate but just to kind of understand the climate
2:56:32 that we’re
2:56:33 facing that’s creating really tough challenges nationally and
2:56:37 locally really
2:56:38 it ties into some size societal items discipline other things we
2:56:43 have a
2:56:44 contract we always have a multi-year contract with you guys it
2:56:48 expires in
2:56:49 June the one thing I want you to know our main focus is to
2:56:53 provide high
2:56:54 quality game officials and support what I’ve put expanded
2:56:57 athletic opportunities
2:56:58 for student athletes athletics provides it’s such a great
2:57:02 service that you’re
2:57:03 providing to students I love the idea that you’re looking to
2:57:06 expand in middle
2:57:07 school and also potentially looking at elementary school but
2:57:12 just so you guys
2:57:12 know some of the challenges basically I’ve summarized it into
2:57:17 three categories
2:57:18 aging demographics there’s like people like me I mean if you
2:57:21 look at all the
2:57:22 sports they’re older people okay and so we’re trying to improve
2:57:26 that perceptions
2:57:27 of safety over 50% of officials have feared for their safety
2:57:33 because of
2:57:34 administrator coach player spectator behavior I will tell you
2:57:37 that most of
2:57:38 the time this is spectator behavior in these contests there’s a
2:57:43 lot of things
2:57:44 that provide that’s great but we have our share of issues sportsmanship
2:57:48 the
2:57:49 large majority of people feel like sportsmanship is declining it’s
2:57:52 not
2:57:52 getting better I know we can do better we want to be a part of
2:57:56 that here’s what
2:57:57 our officials associate these are people in your community okay
2:58:01 with right now
2:58:02 this is October so there’s more we have 419 officials 209 419
2:58:09 registrations we
2:58:10 have 200 we had 293 people as of October that’s actually been
2:58:15 declining but one
2:58:17 of the stats that just blows me away it makes a lot of sense is
2:58:21 that 42% of our
2:58:23 officials are veterans okay they’re veterans and they are
2:58:28 serving their
2:58:28 community and they’re passionate about it you can see the
2:58:31 average age wrestling
2:58:33 is the youngest age group softballs the oldest and then our
2:58:38 demographics you can
2:58:38 see that 66% of our officials are greater than 50 years old so
2:58:44 we are
2:58:45 working hard I’ve got some recommendations that I really hope
2:58:50 you
2:58:50 guys consider that will benefit people and help us continue to
2:58:55 provide services
2:58:57 to officials so locally our big issues are recruitment and
2:59:01 retention of
2:59:02 officials for all the reasons that I have written down there and
2:59:06 it just
2:59:07 ranges from lack of sportsmanship respect and just baseline
2:59:11 requirements
2:59:12 the point of entry for people to you know they have to purchase
2:59:15 uniforms they
2:59:16 have to register with the FHSA with the MCLA we have they have
2:59:19 to go through
2:59:20 background checks rule tests mandatory training meeting
2:59:25 requirements all of
2:59:25 that it’s very difficult to attract younger people for that but
2:59:30 we are
2:59:31 making some in runs we need your help I’ll give you some great
2:59:35 examples in a
2:59:35 moment increased expectations we are often the the the calm in
2:59:41 these in these
2:59:42 contests that we have to exhibit management skills to keep games
2:59:48 from
2:59:48 from spiraling into rough play fighting and injuries I can’t
2:59:53 tell you how many
2:59:54 things that our officials in our contest prevent for our student
2:59:59 athletes for our
3:00:00 coaches rising costs MCLA officials I just want you guys to know
3:00:05 that that
3:00:06 your schools took a hit in the 2020-21 their costs went up in
3:00:11 this was all
3:00:12 based on the FHSA recommendations there there hadn’t been raises
3:00:16 in over 15
3:00:17 years and they were just trying to bring it up but I think it
3:00:21 was tough for the
3:00:22 schools but this we managed we got through it and one thing I do
3:00:28 need to
3:00:28 make a plug we did not cancel one game because of code okay not
3:00:33 one game was
3:00:34 canceled because of a lack of a sports official these people are
3:00:37 very dedicated
3:00:38 they come from all walks of life I just wish you could get to
3:00:41 know some of them
3:00:42 and meet them main thing the challenges that we need assistance
3:00:47 with I’d love
3:00:48 for you to see the best bad behavior but I feel like I’m gonna
3:00:51 ask that you guys
3:00:52 look at that link and you please promise me you’ll do that it’s
3:00:56 it’s just it’s
3:00:57 important but there are just bottom line is behavior and sportsmanship
3:01:03 okay
3:01:04 behavior sportsmanship trying to recognize officials and then
3:01:09 payment of
3:01:10 officials cost of officiating I’ve listed three we have a
3:01:15 contract that we
3:01:16 certainly hope we can get before the board that I know that we’ve
3:01:21 been
3:01:21 obviously willing to make some concessions on some things that
3:01:25 are
3:01:25 financial but there’s some things we just can’t but I think that
3:01:28 you’ll find
3:01:29 that we will be the best deal in town one of the biggest issues
3:01:33 that we have is
3:01:34 paying our officials if you did a process management analysis of
3:01:40 the
3:01:41 payment process to officials here you would see a lot of
3:01:44 opportunities for
3:01:45 improvement and we really need a timely streamlined payment
3:01:49 process many
3:01:50 districts what we’d like to see is athletic directors submit a
3:01:55 schedule we
3:01:57 invoice the school district pays the MCOA and then allows for
3:02:02 some type of
3:02:03 internal reimbursement as funds become available and as the
3:02:08 seasons progress we
3:02:09 have situations where we can’t pay officials we don’t take any
3:02:13 money for
3:02:14 our officials this is I’m like a volunteer we don’t and we
3:02:19 provide a lot
3:02:19 of services for the school district I’ve put a couple things in
3:02:22 here muzzy hang
3:02:23 on just a second this is when I met with all of you guys this
3:02:26 was one of the
3:02:26 biggest components that you guys had so just so everybody
3:02:30 understands when they
3:02:31 go to pay the officials the officials will go and they will
3:02:35 literally go do
3:02:36 the game cover it and then not get paid in some of the day give
3:02:40 me some of those
3:02:40 days that they had not we’ve gone four months we’ve got four
3:02:44 months I’ve got a
3:02:45 school district treasure coast they go hey who do we talk to we’ve
3:02:49 done a bunch
3:02:50 of games we haven’t got paid so I’m gonna but there’s we’ve
3:02:54 looked at this
3:02:55 it’s an easy problem and it’s created consternation across our
3:03:00 athletic
3:03:01 directors and us we could be focused on different things so so
3:03:05 what is what’s
3:03:06 happening sorry Muzzy Muzzy lives in my neighborhood so like he
3:03:08 comes down the
3:03:09 neighborhood and talks to me all the time about this but the
3:03:11 thing is is this
3:03:12 is that he if you can’t pay the refs then they’re not going to
3:03:15 stay there
3:03:16 right and it’s a very easy internal fix that we can do and Muzzy
3:03:20 if you could
3:03:21 meet with dr. Schiller and give your contact information so you
3:03:25 can explain
3:03:25 their process yes sir and I will say as cumbersome as the
3:03:29 process is I was
3:03:30 speaking to our treasurer we got such good people I mean they’ve
3:03:34 worked so
3:03:34 hard I mean we’ve been able to get paid and we tell like don’t
3:03:38 pay me I’ll work
3:03:39 you don’t pay people who need you know but but people are
3:03:44 working very hard we
3:03:47 you know you know if we can get payments even within 50 45 days
3:03:52 of invoices right
3:03:54 now we consider that good but we need to do better we can do
3:03:57 better but there’s
3:03:59 three things I just wanted to focus on in terms of where we need
3:04:02 you have the
3:04:04 financial issue but this recruitment I really look at three
3:04:08 tracks and this is
3:04:09 really helpful for students or for a case dude we have a student
3:04:14 program
3:04:14 right now we have two students from Viera and El Gallo high
3:04:18 school we can
3:04:19 recruit students to be student officials it is a gift for those
3:04:24 students we
3:04:25 provide them mentoring when they go off to college or wherever
3:04:29 they go they can
3:04:30 help this and and we have had some great success with that on
3:04:35 small scale we want
3:04:37 to look at that we also want to target former coaches and former
3:04:42 players if
3:04:43 you’ve been involved in sports and you get and you lose that you’re
3:04:46 in your
3:04:47 mid 20s you have a hole in your heart okay you love the game but
3:04:51 you miss it
3:04:51 this is an opportunity for them to get involved we’ve got right
3:04:56 now we’ve got
3:04:57 three young ladies that I can think of one is a from astronaut
3:05:02 high school
3:05:04 Ikeana joiner her name’s Kiki joiner Jessica Connors from Rockledge
3:05:08 High
3:05:09 School and Viana I can’t remember Viana’s last name but we’re
3:05:14 beginning to
3:05:14 see pockets of success because we’re working very hard these
3:05:18 young ladies
3:05:19 have such talent they have an opportunity to make this more than
3:05:22 an
3:05:22 application the NBA they’re not in WME the NBA is loaded with
3:05:28 officials in it
3:05:29 and they have said thank you so much they’ve been able to stay
3:05:32 involved in
3:05:33 the game we need that’s where I want to be focusing our time
3:05:36 with okay - it’s
3:05:38 self-fulfilling the other thing is BPS staff harden out recent
3:05:42 we already have
3:05:43 dr. Solomon has already given us improvement you know approval
3:05:47 for her
3:05:48 husband to become an official he’s a very successful basketball
3:05:53 coach I’ve
3:05:54 been on the ovaries I’ve been on the bad side of receiving Mike’s
3:05:58 the most
3:05:59 successful in the count and he’s been and I’m just joking you
3:06:02 know but he’s
3:06:03 very intense basketball guy so but there’s something missing but
3:06:06 I’ll tell
3:06:07 you I want to give you a couple other examples you got a
3:06:09 principal there’s a
3:06:10 football Scott Corso you’ve got a gentleman named Stephen link
3:06:17 who’s a
3:06:17 you’ve got Carl it we’ve got some success stories but there’s
3:06:22 former
3:06:23 coaches former players they can get back involved so I think I
3:06:27 think if you met
3:06:28 with dr. Schiller on that yeah you’d be able to communicate a
3:06:32 package that goes
3:06:33 out to them to let them know yeah in the research what it is it’s
3:06:36 a former coach
3:06:37 talks to a former player that has the most impact and those kids
3:06:43 there’s a lot
3:06:43 of these people they have a whole they want to be a part they
3:06:46 want it so I’ve
3:06:48 already told the state by the way regarding this bench behavior
3:06:52 that
3:06:52 Brevard County okay we’re gonna be a leader in that okay yeah
3:06:57 the other piece
3:06:57 that you had mentioned is discipline and you had mentioned that
3:07:00 sometimes we have
3:07:01 situations there was a couple of instances recently over at some
3:07:05 of the
3:07:05 games over at Vieira where we had some of these other teams come
3:07:08 in from out of
3:07:09 I would love to have you as dr. Schiller moves forward with the
3:07:12 discipline team
3:07:13 there’s like a bigger discipline thing that he’s going to
3:07:15 announce later on
3:07:16 today I would love you to be a part of that because I think one
3:07:19 of the
3:07:19 components we’re not talking about is the athletic competitions
3:07:23 you know what I
3:07:24 mean yes sir and anything that we can do dr. Schiller we are a
3:07:29 resource for you
3:07:30 guys I just want to tell you we are a resource the one thing
3:07:34 again research
3:07:36 what we in terms of we need help with recruitment and we want
3:07:39 our we want to
3:07:40 be younger we want to be more athletic and there’s such
3:07:44 opportunity for kids
3:07:45 employees and former folks to get involved in community so that’s
3:07:50 I’m
3:07:50 sorry it’s just super important and there’s great opportunities
3:07:54 the next the
3:07:55 last thing that I want to say is retention because we lose them
3:08:00 first
3:08:00 second third year so there’s a lot of and it’s because bad
3:08:04 behavior and that’s
3:08:06 why I want you to look at that 30 second clip I think if you if
3:08:09 you give us that
3:08:10 opportunity we can do that appreciate it mr. Ma so I just leave
3:08:14 it at that we just
3:08:14 need we need to be a partner we look forward to working with you
3:08:18 guys the
3:08:20 operational thing there’s some things we can do with technology
3:08:25 there there’s
3:08:25 some exciting things in terms of software integration things
3:08:29 like that
3:08:30 and we want to be a part of that thank you so much mr. Ramjet
3:08:33 you want to wrap
3:08:33 it up yes sir so I’m gonna skip over the title nine and
3:08:39 athletics and my
3:08:40 individual recommendations I want to say just very quickly that
3:08:45 you know I
3:08:46 appreciate the opportunity to be here in front of you all and to
3:08:53 present this
3:08:53 information please feel free to look through the the slides what
3:08:59 I have there
3:08:59 and thank you very much if you guys a lot of stuff was said here
3:09:04 today if you
3:09:04 guys can put that together email that to the board members or
3:09:08 email that to dr.
3:09:09 Schiller he’ll get it to us we appreciate it because I think
3:09:12 that
3:09:12 there’s some components that you guys have that I’m glad you
3:09:15 guys presented
3:09:16 on today and I think that we’ll be able to bring it forward but
3:09:19 basically one of
3:09:19 the issues we have with discipline that we can help is having
3:09:22 those students
3:09:23 have teachers that are inside the schools be the coaches and
3:09:26 expand the
3:09:26 opportunities for them so thank you so much you guys I really
3:09:29 appreciate it yes
3:09:31 sir yes sir I just wanted I just want to thank you all for all
3:09:35 of your doing for
3:09:37 this community I’ve enjoyed talking with two of you folks
3:09:42 earlier in the week I
3:09:43 think it was or I don’t even know when that was and we talked
3:09:47 about how we can
3:09:48 go bigger and beyond athletics to make sure all of our children
3:09:52 have
3:09:53 opportunities to improve health and that is one of the things
3:09:56 that I think we’ve
3:09:57 talked about that you’ll chat about later about how do we
3:10:01 provide as many
3:10:01 resources of support for mental and emotional as well as
3:10:07 physical and I’ll
3:10:09 leave that to you I would offer because I had in the past life
3:10:14 to officiate
3:10:16 problem is it would not help the youth element nor the
3:10:21 athleticism any longer
3:10:28 hey guys you’re talking about something to say sorry oh I
3:10:32 thought it was
3:10:33 Stephanie who is going to officiate as well maybe thank you
3:10:40 gentlemen I’m gonna
3:10:41 add my thanks to you all for being here and I I apologize that
3:10:44 you kind of got
3:10:45 stuck in some process and procedure drama because that’s what it
3:10:48 was it’s
3:10:49 not about the importance of the work that you do because you
3:10:52 know you guys I
3:10:53 was proud to be on the board that made that decision I still
3:10:55 wear my red heart
3:10:56 shirt proudly it’s soft and comfortable too but I wear that one
3:11:00 you know to show
3:11:01 that what we what we did as a board a few years ago thank you
3:11:04 for the work you
3:11:05 do obviously some of the issues that have been brought up are
3:11:07 things that
3:11:08 come to the board some of them have to be bargained and some of
3:11:10 them have to be
3:11:11 negotiated by our wonderful procurement department and that
3:11:15 those things that
3:11:17 you know not necessarily going to come straight to the board but
3:11:20 our staff will
3:11:21 work on those and I know dr. Schiller has the plan so I look
3:11:23 forward to seeing
3:11:24 the comprehensive presentation in a few weeks so thank you guys
3:11:29 for your time
3:11:30 appreciate that I want to say thank you to everyone as well and
3:11:34 mr. Seema a
3:11:35 particular thank you for sharing your story about your daughter
3:11:38 I knew the
3:11:39 origin story of who we play for and some of the wonderful
3:11:44 miracles that you’ve
3:11:46 identified I’ve actually know somebody personally who identified
3:11:51 something so
3:11:51 it’s a little personal for me so thank you for that and just you
3:11:54 know just to
3:11:55 bring a little light into the room mr. Ernst is it true that you
3:11:59 like mended
3:11:59 her heart and married that girl it’s such a sweet story but
3:12:05 thank you again
3:12:06 for sharing that because it’s it’s clear as day that that still
3:12:09 impacts you so
3:12:09 deeply today and drives you for what you do and you continue to
3:12:12 do and I respect
3:12:13 that and I appreciate you very much thanks guys appreciate it
3:12:19 thank you
3:12:20 real fast we can move through some of these to get to get taken
3:12:25 care of the
3:12:26 first one is is the next topic that we had is volunteers what we
3:12:30 did was we
3:12:31 identified the fact that there is no volunteer coordinator at
3:12:35 the school
3:12:36 district I did not know that until recently I thought that there
3:12:39 was
3:12:39 somebody that was at least organized to go out and recruit and
3:12:43 all that stuff so
3:12:45 what I did was I said hey on the heels of us meeting with at the
3:12:50 zoo where we
3:12:51 talked about wanting to try to enhance our volunteers Tammy and
3:12:56 I were able to
3:12:57 get the contact for health firsts volunteers and the contact for
3:13:02 the zoo’s
3:13:02 volunteers identified some of the issues and we’re in the
3:13:06 process of letting dr.
3:13:07 Schiller take those so that he can meet with them come up with a
3:13:10 game plan with
3:13:11 communications and everybody like that and bring it back to us
3:13:14 but to say one of
3:13:15 our things that we have an issue with is volunteers that’s
3:13:18 something that we can
3:13:19 fix and we can move forward with so that if anybody doesn’t have
3:13:21 any other
3:13:21 conversations we can just move past that one we’re good all
3:13:25 right the clubs that
3:13:27 we were gonna have had Andrew speaking real quick on it but I
3:13:31 think for time
3:13:31 purposes if we’re okay to hold on speaking about the clubs and
3:13:35 stuff like
3:13:36 that what I would just say is is that we’ve seen a decline in
3:13:41 the club
3:13:42 membership because we don’t have teachers that are being worn
3:13:45 out fill
3:13:46 them if we’re able to increase the volunteers will be able to
3:13:49 increase the
3:13:50 opportunities does that make sense there’s a longer presentation
3:13:54 on it but
3:13:54 that would be good but a lot of times those volunteers can
3:14:06 offset we’re good
3:14:08 on that if you guys wanted to there’s if I could I know you want
3:14:13 to go over the
3:14:13 organizational vision but I’d like to just touch on those other
3:14:16 three that way
3:14:17 you can have the rest of the time to go over it when I was
3:14:20 looking at the Neola
3:14:22 packages that we had so I’m skipping the values beliefs just so
3:14:25 that we can give
3:14:26 the rest of the time one of the issues that we have is that the
3:14:31 Neola statutes
3:14:32 are different than probably about a quarter to a third of our
3:14:36 actual policies
3:14:37 right so I would say I would say so many of you know that like
3:14:42 Miss Campbell you
3:14:43 had mentioned what’s the urgency and stuff like that one of the
3:14:46 problems we
3:14:46 have is is that many of our policies are not up to date with Neola
3:14:51 and statute
3:14:51 and stuff like that so we’re trying to get moving and every time
3:14:55 we start
3:14:55 moving we come up with another layer right so we I asked Paul
3:14:59 and Paul thank
3:15:00 you for getting the Neola copies of each one of the district of
3:15:04 each one of our
3:15:05 policies is there a poly and I apologize about not asking you
3:15:09 ahead of times we
3:15:10 had asked for a login for school board members or for Doc’s was
3:15:15 there an
3:15:16 opportunity to take a look at that yet I reached out to Neil I
3:15:19 have not heard
3:15:19 back if they have anything like that it would be bored Doc’s I’m
3:15:22 sorry it’s not
3:15:23 Neola it would be bored Doc’s the company bored Doc’s so we can
3:15:26 search
3:15:26 other statute or other said that was through Neola so I reached
3:15:31 out to them
3:15:31 asking if they have that ability yeah they’re gonna it’ll be
3:15:36 bored Doc’s I’m
3:15:37 sorry about that so if we can do that so anyways if we wanted to
3:15:40 we could move
3:15:41 forward with some of these today I think that we want to do the
3:15:43 organizational
3:15:44 vision and value but what I would like to do is is talk about
3:15:48 because there are
3:15:50 so many changes in zero ones and twos now with the Neola updates
3:15:55 and everything
3:15:55 about a process because the idea is is that we would take the Neola
3:16:01 copy update
3:16:02 it right and then amend into it does that make sense to you and
3:16:06 the issue we
3:16:07 had was is that we were talking about taking each one of these
3:16:10 and saying okay
3:16:11 we need to add this but then when we add Neola then what we end
3:16:15 up doing is now
3:16:15 we’ve updated that policy and then do we pick up and put it on
3:16:19 top or do we amend
3:16:20 the Neola policy that’s all I wanted to talk about that as a as
3:16:23 a process and
3:16:24 then see where you guys were at what I would like to do which is
3:16:27 the last
3:16:27 component which is talk about adding some work session and time
3:16:31 discussion
3:16:32 dates to do with these along with some of the other items so the
3:16:36 first step is
3:16:37 if we could talk real quick about these actual policies and how
3:16:41 you would like
3:16:42 to proceed on attacking them and then move to some of these work
3:16:48 dates and
3:16:48 then give the last to the organization and vision and values if
3:16:52 that’s okay
3:16:52 that okay how we use Neola I think we need to talk about how we
3:17:01 use Neola what
3:17:02 Neola is a recommendation they make sure they give the
3:17:05 recommendations they’re
3:17:06 gonna be aligned with statute but Neola is also just a guide our
3:17:09 policies do not
3:17:10 have to match with Neola and when you say whatever percentage of
3:17:14 our policies
3:17:15 don’t match well they don’t have to match Neola gives us options
3:17:20 a lot of
3:17:20 the a lot of those bylaws and those first and the zero policies
3:17:26 it’s it’s
3:17:27 not really something that has to be changed there are certain
3:17:29 things yeah I
3:17:30 think we’ve you know we’ve been going through notes but we our
3:17:32 policy does not
3:17:33 have to match Neola in fact frequently you know it doesn’t
3:17:37 because of the
3:17:37 choice of the board for example the policy we worked on today 2521
3:17:40 the
3:17:41 instructional materials none of that book challenge process is
3:17:44 in there we
3:17:44 came up with the framework of that early in my first year on the
3:17:50 board we revised
3:17:51 it sometime in the last couple years and then we’ve just revised
3:17:54 it again and
3:17:54 then again that none of that you’ll find a Neola so again it’s
3:17:58 just a guide kind
3:17:59 of a bare bare minimum and Neola gives options optional and
3:18:02 option two when it
3:18:03 when it is up to the board but we don’t have to match so I don’t
3:18:06 know that
3:18:07 there’s necessarily a benefit just just me personally as I’ve
3:18:11 been going through
3:18:11 them but making some notes here we might want to make this
3:18:14 change but I don’t
3:18:15 think we have to change every single one or that is different
3:18:18 from no we can just
3:18:19 check off we looked at it because some of them are just really
3:18:21 pretty plain and
3:18:23 boring and and bare bones a lot of them miss Campbell you’re a
3:18:26 hundred percent
3:18:26 right a lot of them are still in line like if you look through
3:18:28 the first
3:18:29 couple of the name that all those things they’re all the same
3:18:31 but there are a lot
3:18:32 of them that when I started looking through that the statute has
3:18:35 been
3:18:35 update to the specific area and we have not updated that and
3:18:39 then we have a
3:18:40 Neola piece that’s a little bit different so I had a suggestion
3:18:43 but I
3:18:44 was gonna wait until everybody else had something to say that’s
3:18:46 one of the
3:18:46 things that I’ve discovered and I’m going through all these and
3:18:48 honestly
3:18:48 this has been extremely helpful for me as a new board member and
3:18:51 I’m really
3:18:52 glad that we’re doing this but there are several things as I’m
3:18:56 comparing for a
3:18:56 statute where I’m seeing oh it’s missing a word some things been
3:18:59 updated or
3:18:59 changed and and I don’t know if we run the policy through Neola
3:19:02 will Neola
3:19:03 catch that will they know what the Florida statute is or no I
3:19:06 mean is that
3:19:06 they have their templates and any changes we they we redline in
3:19:11 there but
3:19:12 we they don’t check ours to against their language because we
3:19:16 can change it
3:19:17 from there but their templates they guarantee are in accordance
3:19:26 with Florida
3:19:28 statute and federal law so they guarantee theirs if we make
3:19:31 changes to
3:19:32 them they do not check that they do not warrant those changes so
3:19:37 basically Neola
3:19:38 is the most up-to-date on the statute right so the argument
3:19:44 would be do we
3:19:44 take the Neola one and the other one side-by-side so that we can
3:19:48 view them
3:19:49 and then make those decisions or I wanted to hear from you guys
3:19:52 because I
3:19:52 had a couple of ideas anybody
3:19:56 okay so basically we can what we can do is Neola is the most up-to-date
3:20:04 with
3:20:04 statute right I understand but the thing is is that we have many
3:20:08 of our policies
3:20:09 that need to be updated right we know that so the idea is is
3:20:12 that we would
3:20:13 overlay the Neola policies on top which we know are specific to
3:20:19 statute and then
3:20:20 if we want to add any of them to that policy change we can do
3:20:24 that does that
3:20:25 make sense you basically take and adopt the new Neola piece and
3:20:30 then add to it
3:20:31 does that make sense
3:20:36 right I don’t know that we have to a year so you’re recommending
3:20:40 that we take
3:20:40 the Neola policy as this is what we’re gonna do and we work from
3:20:44 there I just
3:20:44 think there’s gonna be some that we’re gonna look at Neola we’re
3:20:46 gonna look at
3:20:46 ours and go they’re not worth making the change not worth going
3:20:48 through the
3:20:49 process ours is good enough check move on and we don’t have to
3:20:52 go through the
3:20:53 whole process because some of them are more important in the
3:20:55 meantime staff is
3:20:56 just so we know staff is going to be continuing in our normal
3:21:00 policy approval
3:21:02 and revision process they’re gonna continue to be bringing
3:21:04 policies to us
3:21:05 like they already have been and I know they’ve already mentioned
3:21:07 last week I
3:21:07 think somebody said that’s this one’s coming to you this one’s
3:21:11 coming to you
3:21:11 so staff’s already working on that so you know I don’t know that
3:21:16 we have to
3:21:17 just replace them all we let’s just look at it and this is this
3:21:20 is part of what
3:21:22 we were supposed to do between last time and this time and I
3:21:25 took the time you
3:21:26 know and I did too so if we’re not already to do it then that
3:21:29 the issue is
3:21:30 is that we just got all of the policy updates from Neola so if
3:21:33 you guys looked
3:21:34 at Neola looked at the statutes looked at the old one want to
3:21:36 make the
3:21:36 recommendations then that’s great we can do that and normally
3:21:39 what would really
3:21:40 help is is when we’re doing those that we would put those notes
3:21:44 into the system
3:21:45 that we have so that staff would be ready to answer any
3:21:48 questions as we got
3:21:49 further past our board docs does that make sense which is where
3:21:57 I’m going to
3:22:00 which is what I was going to get to is is that right now there
3:22:11 is my notes
3:22:12 already right what I would like to do is is bring up some of the
3:22:17 topics and say
3:22:17 look there’s a big need to add a couple of meetings and if we
3:22:20 can look at our
3:22:21 calendars and then we can take some of those times and block out
3:22:24 four hours for
3:22:25 the zeros four hours for the ones and go through that makes
3:22:28 sense good so if we
3:22:30 can do that what happened is is dr. Schiller did you want to
3:22:34 speak to the
3:22:34 next piece or did you want me to so dr. Schiller and I as we had
3:22:38 before sat down
3:22:40 yesterday for about what was it about two and a half hours
3:22:42 really worked
3:22:43 through some of the topics that you guys had brought forward at
3:22:46 the zoo and other
3:22:47 issues and found out that there’s a lot of topics that we want
3:22:51 to cover
3:22:52 redistricting is coming we need the policy reviews of all of our
3:22:55 policies we
3:22:57 have to pass the budget we have collective bargaining we want to
3:23:00 put
3:23:00 together the ALCs the discipline we have student data and
3:23:03 achievement there’s
3:23:04 some stuff that dr. Schiller has found that he’d like to present
3:23:08 on so that we
3:23:08 can focus our energies on that we have strategic directions in
3:23:12 student
3:23:13 attraction remember the whole conversation that we were talking
3:23:16 about
3:23:16 before where we want those 3,000 kids from homeschool back and
3:23:21 with HB one
3:23:21 coming that’s a massive thing that we are going to have to be
3:23:25 ready for and
3:23:26 the image and attraction campaign with mr. Broom from
3:23:29 communications CTE
3:23:31 alignment plan recruitment how are we recruiting our current
3:23:34 people mental
3:23:36 health all of these are topics that we had identified that we
3:23:39 needed to bring
3:23:39 forward dr. Schiller had said let’s put them together in an
3:23:43 order and he’s going
3:23:44 to place that over the next couple of months but what we need to
3:23:48 do is in
3:23:48 order to achieve these to have staff bring theirs forward and
3:23:51 for us to move
3:23:52 we needed a couple of extra dates so I was gonna propose that if
3:23:57 you guys we
3:23:58 have the odd Tuesdays that we don’t meet on okay one of the
3:24:03 easiest things we can
3:24:04 do is just say the Tuesdays that we have between now and May we
3:24:08 will meet we have
3:24:10 at least four of them and we would meet just from eight to four
3:24:12 and go home we
3:24:14 could also take the Tuesdays that we have and extend them from 9
3:24:17 in the
3:24:18 morning till the evening we also can pick up what we used to
3:24:21 have which is
3:24:22 Thursdays we used to have two Thursdays a month that the school
3:24:26 board would have
3:24:27 for workshops and then we would have kind of what we have today
3:24:30 which is like
3:24:31 a 1 o’clock to 4 o’clock workshop and then a board meeting so
3:24:34 dynamically I
3:24:35 asked the easiest thing is to say look Tuesdays are four days
3:24:39 right and add
3:24:40 those but I wanted to hear from you guys your feelings we have a
3:24:43 minimum of four
3:24:45 according to dr. Schiller and I over the process these processes
3:24:50 so if we can
3:24:51 identify four days put them on the Tuesdays that’s great if not
3:24:54 we can move
3:24:54 from there so does anybody have any conflicts on some of these
3:24:58 go ahead what
3:24:59 do you got maybe it would be better rather than us hashing out
3:25:04 calendars
3:25:04 right now in this crucial time if Tammy can do the poll she
3:25:11 hates that because
3:25:13 and everybody put the dates in because you know and just just
3:25:16 remind us in the
3:25:18 month of April we have our two regular board meeting days and
3:25:21 the other two
3:25:22 Tuesdays are already booked for our superintendent search so you
3:25:26 know I’m
3:25:27 certainly willing to put the time here’s the thing that what I
3:25:30 would like for us
3:25:31 to prioritize is the things that we want to make sure we handle
3:25:36 while dr.
3:25:36 Schiller is here before we get the new next superintendent but I’m
3:25:39 gonna say
3:25:40 this too if we want to focus on these very very important things
3:25:44 I think we
3:25:46 probably need to slow down with some of the requests we’re
3:25:49 making of staff
3:25:49 outside of these things because every time one of us makes a
3:25:54 request which we
3:25:56 have every right to ask for information but when we start making
3:25:59 requests it’s
3:26:00 gonna cause staff to go off task to go no I’m listening take
3:26:06 hours I think one
3:26:08 of the requests that was presented to us we were told that it
3:26:11 took staff 30 hours
3:26:12 to put information together okay between all the people who had
3:26:16 to put hands on
3:26:17 it so we need to slow down on some of that if we’re gonna ask
3:26:21 them also the
3:26:22 same people are gonna be putting all these things to present to
3:26:25 us we’ve got
3:26:25 some really really important issues that need to get across and
3:26:28 so I think it
3:26:29 would be good for us I’m like said I’m willing put the time in I
3:26:32 I because we I
3:26:33 think these organizational vision values and beliefs are very
3:26:37 important and dr.
3:26:37 Schiller’s been trying to get us to do this since January and we
3:26:40 haven’t done
3:26:41 it yet I don’t want to spend the next 15 minutes or more trying
3:26:44 to figure out
3:26:44 calendar we were asked to check to see if we have any value and
3:26:49 thank you miss
3:26:50 Campbell if we can check our calendars real quick to see what’s
3:26:53 available we
3:26:54 can get this thing taken care of now I appreciate it we have the
3:26:57 20 so one of
3:26:59 the Tuesdays that we could add is the 21st we’re already coming
3:27:02 in on the 22nd
3:27:04 that Wednesday or I think it’s the Audit Committee on the 21st
3:27:11 okay so the 23rd
3:27:14 which is my birthday we have that Thursday that we could add I’m
3:27:19 not
3:27:19 understanding why we’re not doing this off because because we
3:27:22 can a lot easier
3:27:23 families that we have to consider and people watching their
3:27:31 children as well
3:27:32 that’s why we just do it at home on a doodle pole have it done
3:27:35 within the next
3:27:36 couple days it’ll be easy we asked to just bring our calendars
3:27:38 that’s why I
3:27:39 was asking for us to look at it that’s all
3:27:49 so how about the 23rd is the 23rd okay
3:28:00 that starts at 11 and it’s over it like okay so we’ve got the 23rd
3:28:05 is an option
3:28:06 30th of March
3:28:13 good I am NOT available on the 23rd okay here’s the ocean Mars
3:28:18 is happening I’m
3:28:19 already volunteered I’ve canceled for other things that popped
3:28:22 up in surprise
3:28:22 meetings that we’ve assigned well the other the other thing is
3:28:26 well this is so
3:28:27 the other thing there’s that whole issue that I’m dealing with
3:28:32 the other thing is
3:28:33 is that just so you know the workshops are not giving direction
3:28:38 they are just
3:28:38 saying this is what we’d like for it to come back right so there’s
3:28:41 no you can
3:28:42 literally as long as we have a quorum people can be off-site and
3:28:46 call in so
3:28:46 it’s not the end of the world so what about the 30th you guys
3:28:54 okay what about 4 13 April 13
3:29:04 we good
3:29:11 okay I have a genuine question here no no no I have a question
3:29:16 here
3:29:16 this one is to the calendar okay but can we know mr. Susan I’m
3:29:20 in the process of
3:29:21 getting these I understand but there’s I have a genuine question
3:29:24 here go ahead if
3:29:25 these are priorities then why are we not just having them on our
3:29:29 regularly
3:29:30 scheduled workshop days because we don’t have enough mr. Susan
3:29:33 you asked me a
3:29:35 question it doesn’t make sense to me and if we’re
3:29:39 not prioritizing which ones are gonna go first and last how are
3:29:42 we genuinely
3:29:42 figuring out when we’re gonna place them this is why we
3:29:45 constantly keep having
3:29:46 these workshops and we run out of time because we just slap
3:29:48 things on an agenda
3:29:49 without any not any plan okay wait so much time okay so dr. Schiller
3:29:56 and I
3:29:57 planned out the next set of workshops and being based on those
3:30:01 we needed an
3:30:02 extra four days to add to those days so those are already set up
3:30:07 for some of it
3:30:08 that’s the reason we’re requesting so what about did I say the
3:30:11 April 13th you
3:30:12 said you’re out April 20th West Shore West Shore is a senior
3:30:19 project judging
3:30:19 and we’ve all been invited and I know all right April 27th we
3:30:26 will be
3:30:27 interviewing okay so if we do so you know what honestly then we
3:30:37 can open up
3:30:39 Wednesdays if we need to - so why don’t I request at this point
3:30:42 since we are
3:30:43 running close to time I’ll ask her to put up a doodle poll and
3:30:47 we can put them
3:30:47 together I thought that it would be pretty quick and easy to
3:30:51 identify all
3:30:54 right all right so I’m just gonna say that we needed four days
3:30:58 dr. Schiller and
3:30:59 I once those are identified can put it together and hopefully we’ll
3:31:02 get moving
3:31:02 on all of those important things every day is different so but
3:31:08 if we can
3:31:09 Mondays Wednesdays Fridays I mean just put them out there and
3:31:11 just see when
3:31:12 we’re all available and there’s the opportunity to always add
3:31:15 four hours to
3:31:16 the beginning of the meetings the days that we’re already there
3:31:18 we can always
3:31:19 start at 9 a.m. and that would give us so moving forward what we’ll
3:31:30 do is put
3:31:32 the doodle pull out then what we’ll do is is we’ll go to the we’ll
3:31:36 set the zeros
3:31:37 ones twos on a four-hour session that we can come back we will
3:31:40 compare Neola to
3:31:41 the other ones that’s taken care of now the only thing that we
3:31:44 have left is the
3:31:46 vision value and beliefs and I think that if we take that and
3:31:50 either just
3:31:50 talk to it real quick and then bring it tonight or we can bring
3:31:53 it up tonight
3:31:53 that’d be good sorry I know it’s linked but I liked this I like
3:32:05 this big poster
3:32:06 that they were doing this even though it’s linked to the agenda
3:32:09 it may not
3:32:10 take what anything because I mean if there’s on here everybody’s
3:32:13 fine with it
3:32:14 the way that it is I will tell you this particular poster
3:32:16 bothers me because
3:32:17 it’s a pretty picture of a bridge is in California that’s been
3:32:24 years ago I will
3:32:26 tell you I I only have one statement that it’s bugged me for
3:32:29 years and that
3:32:30 is the next to the last on the operational beliefs have a zero
3:32:33 tolerance for destructive negativism it’s not that I don’t like
3:32:36 that because
3:32:37 I actually I think that’s important I just don’t I’m not a big
3:32:41 fan of using
3:32:41 throwing zero tolerance out there for anything so I just I didn’t
3:32:46 know if
3:32:47 there was another way that that could be worded or whatever but
3:32:52 I you know
3:32:52 everything else I think is great on our mission statement is has
3:32:56 been around for
3:32:57 a long time I think it’s important I don’t know that there’s a
3:32:59 better with it
3:33:00 way that we can say that I’m fine with the rest just just me
3:33:04 except for I would
3:33:05 like some thought around how we might potentially be able to redo
3:33:11 that
3:33:11 statement and I think I think the conversation is wrapped around
3:33:17 us
3:33:17 collaboratively discussing each one of them so that when a
3:33:21 superintendent takes
3:33:22 a look at what we’re trying to do or somebody or a possible
3:33:25 applicant I’m
3:33:26 sorry tries to take a look at what we would do she may sit there
3:33:30 and say you
3:33:31 know what I mean so what I would like to do is if you guys
3:33:35 wanted to we have an
3:33:37 hour to go to break if there’s anything that you would like I’d
3:33:39 like to bring it
3:33:40 back tonight and talk about it but if you guys don’t feel
3:33:42 comfortable pausing
3:33:44 until the 21st 23rd or the day or the 28th could really do it it’s
3:33:49 fine too I
3:33:50 can move forward with putting in some of them I appreciate you
3:33:54 being able to do
3:33:55 the same but I didn’t want to catch everybody else off well I
3:33:58 don’t think
3:33:59 we’re catching it I mean we can do whatever the board wants to
3:34:02 do but I do
3:34:04 have to take issue with catching people off guard because I
3:34:06 requested this to be
3:34:07 on the agenda it’s been published the link is there as part of
3:34:10 our preparation
3:34:11 for this meeting we were supposed to read through all the backup
3:34:13 materials
3:34:14 and that included this and and again dr. Schiller asked us to do
3:34:17 this starting in
3:34:19 January and it’s March the 7th so what I would say then is if
3:34:24 you really push in
3:34:25 on it then we will bring up each one of them at the board
3:34:27 meeting tonight and
3:34:28 we’ll just say organizational values are you guys okay with that
3:34:32 go through it
3:34:32 like that okay take it at the end we’ll do those pieces okay dr.
3:34:37 Schiller got
3:34:37 anything all right come back at 5 30 see you guys
3:35:02 you